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Carpenters: Bob Messenger Interview 2016
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- čas přidán 20. 04. 2017
- A rare look at the legendary flute, sax man and bassist (live) for the Carpenters, Bob Messenger. In early '16, I recorded this interview at home for a tentative project I was working on. As this was not originally intended to be aired on radio or published as a podcast, the interview was not taped in a studio. Bob has not recorded any interviews to either of our knowledge since Karen Carpenter's untimely passing in February 1983, and whatever earlier interview(s) to which he may have contributed with the Carpenters would be considered extremely rare.
I created this in a video timeline as I normally did with my radio show archive interviews for The Download (originally aired 2013-2014), and peppered in some occasional rare photographs that were mostly provided, courtesy of Bob and Joan Messenger.
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My dad. He was a very humble guy. He loved to play any instrument. He loved chess. He loved my Mom. He was just a funny person had a fine analytical mind. I miss you Daddy
Suzanne... my heart goes out to you and to your mother Joan. I haven't spoken with either your mom or dad in a few years, but they were so enthusiastic and supportive. Your father taught me a lot through his music-and even more so through his humility. He contributed so much to the Carpenters' legacy. He truly did not know just how gifted he was. We mention him often in our new book "Carpenters: The Musical Legacy." Bless you!
@@chrismay7094 so sweet. We sure appreciate you and giving him a voice. Your the best
@@suzannecook1684 May I horn in and add my heartfelt condolences? I am eternally imprinted with your dad’s incredible work in my deepest, dearest memories. Thank you for sharing your dad with me and the world. I feel like I’ve known him since my early teens, I’m 65 now. God rest his soul.
❤
Everybody talks about Tony Peluso - and they should! But your dad has done some very iconic sax and flute solos.
BOB MESSENGER R.I.P. (2021)
Being a Carpenter addict in my teens I grew up on Messenger, Strawn, Osborne, Peluso, Simms etc on the records, memorizing every note of those solos. What fantastic years. I still love singing that material going back to the first LP. The training from Richard’s music can’t be topped. Thanks for this interview. They’re almost all gone now, it’s so sad.
Thanks for sharing....it really sadden me..because I had the pleasure to meet him and talk to him in Carpenters events.
a song for you one of the greatest solos ever!
I agree with that. I love how he blows the scale down to the lowest notes of his sax.
The backgrounds instrumentalists are so amazing. Thank you for making the band hits in so many decades..
The man behind the Carpenters. One of the twentieth century's greatest musicians.
R.I.P, Bob!! Brazilian Fans!
Don't sell yourself short Bob, you were a hell of a soloist, pasted together from several takes, or not, your solos and gift of music were the frosting on the cake for the Carpenters' trademark sound. It would not be the same without you.
Definitely a master of the sax and flute. His solos were fantastic. I agree with you that his contribution helped make the Carpenters sound what it is. They were all very talented musicians.
RIP BOB..ALWAYS IN OUR HEARTS
I loved seeing him in concert as part of the group. He was amazing!
RIP bob messenger
A humble man. I always thought he would be more academic like Richard but he comes across as a journeyman. Not taking personal credit for the wonderful solos on saxophone and flute.
Wow! Thanks! Been wanting to know how the guys are doing.Bob is awesome! He is a great musician.I can not believe how little credit he takes of his days with Karen & Richard.What a humble man.It sounds like he is a Broadway singer on "Sleigh Ride".He made that video great! I rarely send videos to anyone but I had to send the clip of "Sleigh Ride" to my 2 sisters and one of my brothers to remind them how talented the band was as well.I wish they would all get together and show us a reunion of either playing a song or a group interview.I watch and listen to them daily.I've been a fan since day one.
I met Bob Messenger at a show a few years ago, and he loved talking about saxophones. The instant I mentioned that he had played with the Carpenters he said, "That was a long time ago" and completely shut down. I'm still grateful that I got to meet "The Doctor".
@Jarred Knox Two reasons for his not wanting to discuss his time with the Carpenters: non-disclosure agreements that prohibit his talking about the Carpenters personal business during their heyday; secondly, Karen's death devastated everyone that knew her. The memories may simply be too painful.
Actually NDAs do exist and can cover many things. Now please go back and re-read what I wrote; not wanting to discuss the Carpenters personal business regarding Karen's anorexia and how it affected the band, Karen's relationship with her mother or brother Richard. These were very sensitive topics for the duo. It's very likely his employment contract with the Carpenters and its terms were confidential too. I should also point that this is merely a supposition on my part.
The loss of Karen was devastating to everyone who had the privilege of working with her. The memories are simply too painful and not for the consumption of others.
I never said he was unable to discuss his own experiences with the band , just not the personal lives of the Carpenters themselves.
Mr. Messinger had no way of knowing what I would ask, and I respect everyone's privacy. I read Ron Coleman's book The Carpenters, and watched the movie many times, but as a musician I would be thrilled to to talk about the creative processes and getting that wonderful, wonderful sound. Thanks for the conversation.
@@terrycote8879 Probably not for Bob or the other band members. Tom Burris absolutely because he wasn't truthful or honest with Karen before the marriage. And technically they were still married the day she died (going to see her attorney to sign the divorce papers).
Invaluable accounts by Bob Messenger. Thousands of Carpenters fans always wanted to know the man playing those magic solos in the Carpenters' hits.
Damn right, very magical !!! 🌟
GREAT ARTIST!
Great to hear a little update on Bob, who was a dear friend of mine was wondering how he's been doing and Joan is she still around? Great couple I stayed with them in their home in Capistrano back in 81 had a great time
he’s my great uncle! him and joan are doing great! :)
Great to hear Bob,for the musicians they hired,who like Bob were working clubs getting average pay to flying on Lear jets making good money,would be like winning the lottery and to be treated fairly and having some input on the music,and being part of musical history would be a fantastic honour.
Honorable Mr. May:
I am a Taiwanese of Chinese ancestry living in East Coast Taiwan. Thank you so much for sharing the video. I love the Carpenters so so much even though I was born in October 1974.
The Carpenters' team is very important in my life. I sent a casset to my first love in high school. ( Pure love era)
Welcome to my beautiful country Taiwan. I am very happy to be your free guide. All the Carpenters related people are my heros.
My country is very beautiful with beautiful sea shore and delicious Chinese food.
I wish he would have answered the question about what he thought when he first heard her sing. But the interviewer was asking 2 or three questions at a time, tough to keep track. I know Joe Osborn who heard her in his garage at 17 years old reaction was "Oh my God!"
Bob Messenger thought he "wasn't that great"! How WRONG he was! Good heavens!
Thank you Chris, for all these precious interviews - precious melodies.
back in the 70 i thought was Tom Scott who did the solo in ""merry Christmas darling" but there it is Bob Messenger..great musician
Both of these gentlemen are just terrific. Chris did a great job with the interview considering there wasn’t a lot of elaboration from Bob on some of the questions. But it sounds like a nice, comfortable conversation.
I have wondered about the group of musicians with Richard & Karen. They, too, after all were also the Carpenters. Glad to hear from the flutist. Funny he didn't think he was that good & wondered why he was there. Maybe he was surprised to hear the song & realize how his playing is integral to its magic.
remembering one of the great group of musicians who brought karen and richard's dreams come true.
Thanks for posting this interview. So interesting.
Músico muito versátil e talentoso, contribuiu demais para o sucesso dos Carpenters. Thank you very much.
Messenger had no clue how LUCKY he was to be with 10 feet of her. He was just a gig guy. Nothing else mattered to him. So blessed to be around Karen Anne.
@WD ONeal his words not mine. He's said he never got involved with Karen and Richard's issues and he was there to "play a gig" obviously he was a huge part of the success.
Amazing interview
Iv seen a lil skitt of bob and rich dueling .. bob on flute .. just mano man .. bob messenger unsung hero ..good work bob .. 😍
+DTR396 Thank you! And the remix you hear on "Guder" was pulled from the '00 Japanese release of "By Request". It was originally created in 1990, and can also be heard on a number of both imports as well as domestic releases (Anthology from Japan in 1997, Carpenters Best Volume 2, Carpenters Perform Carpenter, Essential Collection, GOLD, and Magical Memories Of The Carpenters). Hope this helps!
Flute solo on Mr. Guder, wonderful.
Regarding the instrumentation, Karen's drumming was just as accomplished as her vocals. She's in fine form throughout the album. Richard's piano work is magnificent on the entire disc but it is especially brilliant here. On Masquerade, his sparkling piano and Bob Messenger's playful flute are as memorable as Karen's vocals. With these two men trading off on the break, it is another reminder of what great musicians the duo had working alongside them. Richard's skill as an arranger is often overlooked in light of his sister's contribution, but that's unfortunate. The man knows his stuff. The final vocal line by him punctuates the end of the song as the music trails off. As Karen and Richard were in their early to mid-twenties when they crafted this masterpiece, it becomes even more of an astounding work of art. Other producers and artists rightly took notice. Although George Benson made it a huge hit three years later, this Leon Russell composition has been recorded by over 140 artists. With more than 60 of these versions being released in the 21st century, it is now a modern American standard.
I’m a fan of those instrumentalists. They’re phenomenal EVER. I wish the duo introduced you guys cos you were a great artist like them. You were also in the puzzle 🧩
Bob's not much of a talker, but you did a great job pulling out information. Where did that beautiful version of Mr. Guder you used for the end cap come from??
He was a musician, dear, not a celebrity.
rip
Such a shame that the members of the Carpenters' music band like Bob Messenger were not more forthcoming in revealing details of the tensions between Karen and Richard and her parents and the band over Karen's anorexia and bulimia problem. So many behind- the-scenes stories undoubtedly have never been made public and sadly probably never will since most of the members of the Carpenters' music band are now sadly gone!
He’s an incredibly gifted musician but I feel like he’s been “asked” not to talk about private matters. Maybe an NDA agreement…
Rip 😢
Interesting interview. How old is Bob Messenger in 2019?
You don’t have to get treatment for a “little” Quaalude problem. He wouldn’t really speak about Karen at all. I can see if this attitude was all around Richard and Karen it didn’t serve them. But hindsight is 20/20, sadly. He doesn’t remember much.
Bob Messenger was an indispensable member of Carpenters band (O.K. Chorale, whatever?). Carpenters really knew how to surround themselves with talent and not only talent, but talent that was lasting and dedicated to Carpenters even through years of world touring. Bob is my favorite Sax and Flute player of all time. I know he was a bass player too, but I was not able to see him stand out on the bass although I am sure he must have been very good. No solos.
Bob thought Richard got treatment in Arizona, but it was actually at the Menninger Clinic in Topeka, Kansas.
Chris since you know the author of "Little Girl Blue" I was wondering if he told you of things he learned about the Carpenter family that he couldn't include in his book?
KC looking good 16:35
Looking fine! A lovely, goodhearted girl. A good person.
there is a kind of hush....this song would never be unique without the sax played by this guy...
Bob sings exactly as how he looks. LOL
Karen Anne was an angel sent straight from heaven ❤💞❤💞❤💞❤💞❤
He refused to take the bait and blame Richard for her anorexia.
@Jarred Knox this is pure BS
Sounds like a really nice guy but I think I could have given you a better interview than Bob, he sure didn't seem to know anything, very Sgt Schultz imo, its not mandatory for him to dish any dirt etc but I wouldn't mind betting Richard tapped all those close to keep shtumm.
Agreed, Bob was a very quiet guy. But I can tell you after years of experience with this stuff, no one was ever going to hear from him nor have any real idea as to his personality had we not done this interview. We got what we got, and for that I'm grateful. :)
Okay, don't take this the wrong way, and if you do, then you have a right to your opinion. So do I. I am going to come out and say it! The D.J. is a total jerk and a loser. Seriously, he had to corner Bobby and question him about Karen's Anorexia! That was very tacky and inexcusable. It was none of his , excuse my language, damn business! He went too far. You can tell that Bobby was very uncomfortable about the questions. Leave him alone! He was still grieving over the loss. There I said it! I am not taking it back either. 😎
With all due respect, Bob was well-aware of the questions and was not in any way "grieving." There's a context that the listener almost never has, that often times the interviewer does-particularly when the interviewer is closer to the source than the listener. Not your fault, just a misinterpretation of facts.
Lot of dodgyness going on in this interview. Legendary player though.