Jonathan Haidt The Coddling of the American Mind
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NYU social psychologist and author Jonathan Haidt joins Bill to discuss how good intentions and bad ideas are setting up a generation for failure.
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"Prepare the child for the road, not the road for the child "
Brilliant insightful opening quote of the book.
E O' C that’s good advice, methinks!
👍
Yet that is what the left is trying to do Prepare the road for the child. They want to control every aspect of their lives. Oooh don't expose them to contrary opinions or harsh language. The little snowflakes might meltdown. Jonny's safe space is up his ass.
Clark Kerr, the first chancellor of UC Berkeley, gave a lecture in the 1960s in which he said "The purpose of the University is to make students safe for ideas - not ideas safe for students." Same concept.
These two were boring, though insightful. That other guy made a joke, trying to be manly. Just haven't seen the joke yet
bad analogy. If the road is constantly being built and repaired, you could make it more child-friendly. I mean why continue building it in a way that can kill children?
Democracies are about living with people you disagree with.
That sounds like a terrible idea, there's no way I'm going to vote for it.
@Jared Falk Trump's a democrat?
we are a republic though
I disagree.
hehe
"Writing their insane woke shit." lmao that was good
No, that was just Bill devolving into the whiny little bitch that he formerly accused Trump of being (and Bill was right). I'm writing in August 2022. The Republican Party has thrown Trump overboard. The Whiniest Little Bitch title now belongs to Maher. Sad.
As a young boy living in the 50's I would leave the house either to walk to school, about a mile, or play and often didn't come home until dark. I was alone and unaccompanied for the most part. This was in Southern California and I was about seven or eight years old as I remember. Today my mother would be arrested.
I live in a town house community. Two houses up is a lady who use to DRIVE her 17 year old son to the bus stop 300 yards away, less than 1/4 mile. There are sidewalks, completely safe neighborhood, almost no traffic, daytime. Every morning. Kid still lives at home to this day and I do not think he will ever leave. Quite sad and pathetic really.
Me too.
You bet she would.
Lived in Oakland in the early 60's. At 6 or 7, me and two of my friends would walk a mile to an old road that had a pond along side of it. We'd spend all day catching frogs, tadpoles and bugs.
Not only would your parents be arrested, but assuming you haven't already been murdered on the streets (cuz Southern California), you'd be wisked away into foster care by CPS/DCFS!!
The immune system is the best analogy for this
not really. the immune system exists to fight anything which could harm the body and its functions, repair damage done by disease and gets stronger/more effective(usually) the more it's exposed to all the organisms in someone's environment and does all this on its own. children can't just be left on their own and be expected to raise themselves and teach themselves what they need to know to survive while they develop some kind of "immunity" to life's everyday bullshit.
Or bones.
@@jeffcard1A I think the analogy was talking about how if you deprive your immune system to exposure of germs and bacteria etc. It becomes weak, vulnerable, non-immune and easily susceptible to breakdown. Nobodies talking about dumping kids completely on their own, but moreso parent policing, and when you gradually give them more independence they have to learn to be self sufficient and self responsible, because tbf you learn by making mistakes and if your parents prevent you from experiencing the real world gradually and making mistakes and learning from them, rather than even so much them making mistakes and a parent trying to shelter them from the consequences and convincing them they did nothing wrong.
@@jeffcard1A
Well, not quite, the newborn immune system relies heavily on the mother, so it never does it all on it's own. Also the immune system works closely with the Endocrine system and the Nervous system, the GI system, the Pulmonary system, etc. There is no 'system' in the human body that does it's job 'on it's own'. Not one. Also the more it is attacked, there is a limit to how much it can take at one time.
muscles, astronauts lose muscles when they are in a zero gravity environment
Haidt was one of the best guests I've seen on Real TIme. Really matter of fact, not preachy, just scientific and observational.
But did you see him in real time?
And Max Boot is one of the worst. That guy is mentally ill, and nobody seems to notice.
It's too bad Bill talked over him a lot. I wanted to hear Jon talk.
You should read his other book: The Righteous Mind.
Love this book. Parents are comfortable with having their teenagers at home texting on their phones, rather than their going out and being normal teenagers, with the uncomfortable challenges that are normal.
Political Junkie what is NORMAL?!!!!!!!
@@michaelsalisbury1477 real life outside in the actual world. thats normal. thats what happpened for 1000 of years. this phone fake life is very new. what, max 10 years for the broad population..?
If you are so fragile that words will "injure" you, then you're not mature enough to be at college. Part of college is challenging you though exposure to new ideas.
Phantom Plastics what was that saying eh?
Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me.
Let’s bring that back eh?
Not anymore
For four years, in class after class, my professors said I was wrong. I must have been at the wrong university.
@@matthewheadland7307 or better still let's teach them how to deal with fair versus unfair criticism and recognise other peoples right to have opinions they don't have to agree with. I blame the parents and universities who give in to all this crap rather than teaching coping with reality skills.
Mairead Ryan -agreed! Though it’s likely that the consequences of that sort of philosophy were not fully understood, so perhaps another good lesson is to learn to forgive and forget. It seems there’s a little too much fetishization of the past and the misgivings of the choices people made back then.
I enjoyed the huffpost bashing
Me too. Very deserving lol.
Huffpost shouldn't even be considered journalism.
Bill Maher created the Huffington post didn't he
How come the right wingnuts like Haidt never takes into consideration wealth inequalit? The younger generation knows they are screwed and they will likely never owns homes or even cars.
@@edbenti5007 What are you evening talking about. We just hired like a 120 college graduates this month alone. Starting salary of 72K, in 4 years they'll be over 100k. Of course they have Finance degrees, not Dance Theory.
Social media has made people more isolated. It's not bringing people together. It's making people say meaner things to people they don't know. It's making people less social in face to face situations.
Agreed. Social media can help build bridges, but almost always it's just a vehicle to build brand. (like my comment here - DOH!)
I deleted all of my social media accounts. Now I just have to get rid of CZcams.
That warning-bell was sounded two decades ago.....
You can't blame it all on the person that's saying something mean online the person who's reading it and getting affected by it have the choice to turn it off, block the person, anything other than keep reading it and keep bringing themselves down. stop just blaming the bully the so-called victim is helping they're own fool self get bullied. Bullies have been around since the beginning of time not saying it's right I'm not saying it's wrong it's something that happens all these other Generations have made it through no suicides or less suicide no school shootings all these other things but this generation sucks. And I have a 15 year old daughter and she sucks. She's one of those yada yada yada come in with her over the top opinion then she ends it with and that's how it's going to be I don't care what anybody has to say about it but we supposed to care about what she has to say about whatever. My sister is just at the point of okay you're right I've been here for 45 years but you've been here 15 years so obviously you know the correct thing to do. My question is when the kids start being able to talk back? I'm not understanding these things I've never told her it was okay I have told her you ,if you have an opinion or you have a concern you're allowed to speak but speaking and talking back are two different things. I knew that my sister knew that my brother knew that and I thought, we thought we raised my daughter and my nephew my sister's son he's 25 he's not like my daughter they're only 10 years apart what is going on here
@@currypablo honestly bro.
I've deleted everything too.
I'm left just with CZcams.
And it has to go
Jonathan Haidt has to be the nicest man in academia. He listeens carefully to everyone and never puts anyone down for their opinions.
One of my biggest pet peeves is the gift for the siblings on their sibling's birthday. I just think it's so wrong. Kids aren't allowed to deal with their siblings experiencing joy. They have to feel special too. Even on someone else's birthday
What??? That's a thing?
No, nobody is that sensitive...if that’s true, the sibling that receives a gift to placate their hyper fragility will certainly fail in life.
@@manichispanic5234 yes, it certainly is a thing. I’ve actually seen parents do this.
This is part of the "noble" train of thought that everyone is a winner. You see this in Little League constantly.
This is the first I've heard of this. Sick.
Come on Bill. I wanted to hear what Jonathan Haidt thinks about this stuff. Ask your question and let the man talk!
It is Bill's show. That said, he did seem to have to work harder than usual to insert his profanity-laced humor. Haidt did a good job of reigning Maher in at one point (7:45).
Bill's biggest problem.. doesn't let his guests finish their thought. Let them speak goddammit!
Sure it's Bill's show, but his commentary doesn't have to be so long winded when he interrupts his guests... It's a bit rude. He does have a slight problem with this...
I was fine with shutting Mooch up though... He's a likable Swamp creature but nothing but a trump apologist and orange koolaid salesman
haidt's work is very accessible. Check his research papers (use google scholar and include citations by other researchers. If you con't have access through university, you can also use the sci-hub site.
much of his seminal work was done in the early 2000s. i haven't read any popularizations, which can be too easily mistaken as using rhetoric by those unfamiliar with specific scientific meanings of words.
Humor, as Maher constantly mentions, is way too absent, and when Haidt et al. explored the "conservative" affect psychology, they had none whatsoever , even though he pegged republicans I unfortunately have been required to frequent, perfectly.
Since Haidt, functional imaging science (brain mapping) has supported his discoveries, and you should go to that discipline for more info. CZcams is just a place to lighten the mood as the bullets and bombs fly.
It is everywhere not just universities anymore.
Not really man
It was everywhere before it got to universities.
The great RoboCop said it best:
"Patience, Lois. We're only human"
I think you're proving Bill's point. Anecdotal extrapolation of the fringes is just being dramatic. Seeing videos of these things makes it feel like it's everywhere, but it's really not. Be realistic and don't let the crazies drive the conversation or convince you that that is the norm. Social justice warriors are not the norm in the vast majority of American communities, across the political spectrum, save some crazy pockets within a handful of big cities (in addition to some of these college campuses).
Irfan Hussain I would agree, except I work in higher ed, in a small town community colleges. We work with several universities and organizations throughout Washington and Oregon states. We also go to national conferences with international college professionals (granted its mostly people from the states), and every single one of them are parroting the social justice nonsense, all have diversity/equity officers for the most part, and are the source of ideology for these “fringe” leftists. It is literally everywhere. But you’re right that it’s not a majority who speak out about it, just every speaker and trainer who represent the organizations.
You got to love how the moment Bill opens the discussion up to the rest of the panel it takes like 2 seconds before it becomes about Trump. Right before Bill says: "This is why we lose."
The anti-Trumpers are akin to the kids screaming at their parents. Max Boot is one of those kids.
Trump seized upon anti-woke sentiment during his presidential campaign. Raising his name in this conversation was absolutely relevant.
@@godisbollocks Duh.
Sincere thanks for pointing out the 10.000 pound elephant in the room.
Who but a lying Trump fanatic would try to distance Trump from that central pillar of his appeal to his base in 2020?
Bill, why are you bringing a highly qualified guest to talk about a topic and not let him talk?
@Joe Greene No. Not even a little...
Yeah, he’s passionate on this.
*Hérétic Come on. Yeah, it’s annoying, but that isn’t why. Think before you leave a comment.
@@skiphoffenflaven8004 I know. He's trying to control the narrative but his narrative is pedestrian compared to what Jonathan Haidt has to say.
Loud mouth NY Jew! It's a miracle that the guest got one word in.
Hard times breed strong men
Strong men create good times
Good times breed weak men
Weak men create hard times
Emasculated men who are told that they should be ashamed of their gender, give up trying.
Spot on, this is all cyclical.
Please next time replace weak men with liberals; it's just more accurate.
AMEN!
John Allen Lauridsen Jr. shut the fuck up
Great session. This is why as a conservative I still watch this show. Bill is not a complete biased person. He looks at the facts and even tho I disagree with him a multitude of times he manages to reach both sides of the isle.
Just recently when he became afraid of cancel culture
@@jamesmcnaughton5092 Well he's been become persona on grata in the liberal mainstream thanks to SJWs.
He's still a Libertarian and have you not seen his documentary "Religulous."
@@jamesmcnaughton5092 i don’t care. As long as someone is saying something true.
@@jamesmcnaughton5092 facts. Yes data and objectivity rule.
Thank you. Thank you, thank you, thank you for saying this.
How prophetic "protecting the immune system ends up hurting the kid" our society of the near future is going to encounter unimaginable horrors.
it just occured to me that most monarchs of history were raised in just that way, were they not? coddled, or at least hovered over, or spoiled. I could be wrong, but it would explain a lot about history.
Bill--ask your question and let him answer. Stop continually adding your opinions into your questions and talking over your guests when they're trying answer you.
@@torinmccabe agree on time, but the observation is true. Bill does this a lot, always, its part of his known style or schtick. to use the guest s platform for his onslaught. im a fan but it can get frustrating. he does it to people he agrees with and likes, and those he wants to challenge, its across the board. i just like it when someone makes sure to not get overrun
Exactly. So annoying.
Buy the book or buy the full episode from HBO. Y'all are what Bill and the author are talking about: the age of entitlement.
You're new here aren't you????????????????
@@ev25zv Do not buy the book, do not give any money to this right-wing shill from the right-wing think tanks, he is a complete phony.
Bill, I just wanted to add to your point from a different perspective by saying that as a professor, you cannot tell the kids how to study to actually learn anymore! This new generation is raised with the mindset that whatever they do is the right way, and you have to adopt to their styles (relating back to that "negotiation" argument). Otherwise, they either scream and yell at their teachers and viewed as the "brave hero", or they go to higher-ups and complain about the teacher being too "harsh" and "unfair"... And I can see clearly a decline in quality and expertise of graduate students as we move forward with this system...
The system makes changes about educating and raising kids without any evidence that the new approach is any better.
I know a professor at a state technical school who taught "shop" classes. He was called down to the Dean's office one day because a 30 YEAR OLD student got upset about some of the terms he was using in class and the student told his mom, who came to school with him...30!! The terms were "black pipe" (like for plumbing natural gas). "Butt-weld" and there was another term I can't remember right now. But the guy was admonished by the parent & the Dean and told he cannot use terms that include any racial or sexual connotations. Seriously. He said ok because he NEEDS his job. I'd have told them all to F/O and quit.
@@Kevs442 I guess after that guy graduates and gets a job, he's going to admonish everyone in a supply house or home depot for saying "black pipe" when placing their orders. And will he refuse to say it if he needs to order it? Will he (or his mommy) also admonish his boss if he tells him to make a butt weld on a job? Somehow I think this guy is going to be unemployed for a long time.
@@Kevs442 It's an increasingly super hyper sensitive world that's somehow being admonished by uninformed and often ignorant people because their feelings were temporarily hurt. To this shop student I say, "Grow up, be a man, and move on ya f*cking whiner. All he did was waste time, the Deans time, and create issues where there were none. Pathetic.
I saw this start in the 1980's when they started to ask kids what they think and take the answers seriously.
I remember seeing that also back then. What I see now, 2021? I see these coddling, patronizing young parents letting their 4 or 5 year old kids (brats, essentially) pick their own food at the grocery store. Or talk back to adults saying I'll call the cops on you if I don't get what I want. It all starts with these lax parents who just want to be their kids friend and not the responsible parent and authority figure. I hope I never have to see some of these screwed up kids 20 years from now. (I'm 65, so I could be dead. Maybe a small blessing.)
I've just started to watch Bill again and the man is speaking so much truth.
As a conservative, J. Haidt is one of the few liberal intellectuals I have a lot of respect for.
He is a centrist though. He left the left when they started with this regressive aka supporting censorship.
The Republican Party is the new American Nazi Party!!!!!!!!!!!!
You just said (well, you said it 3 years ago) that JH is both a conservative and a liberal. Huh? Do you mean he's a centrist?
@@maxpower9961 still a liberal
He never was on the left and he is using this, like Maher. as a way to take away the conversation from the left economic policies. Which are really popular
He’s talking about this very crowd !
Brilliant observation, thank you for articulating so well,
Hey, Bill, respect is earned and is not automatic with age.
With Dr Jordan Peterson, Jonathan Haidt is one of my favorite speakers today.
One talk without personal bias. Other one does.
Jordan peterson has okay ideas. The rest are shitty.
Peterson has a lot of shitty ideas with here and there something brilliant
You guys need to list some of his shitty ideas
lol "the insane woke shit"
I'll tell ya what's insane, is that vocabulary. xD
I like to hear people say their 'woke.' It beats the shit out of hearing status quo shite
Like those articles with ridiculous headlines like, "Are Hot Dogs Racist?"
@@missyv8900 They're
@@maelstrom52 lol
"10 reasons why air conditioning is a tool of white supremacy"
Shits hilarious.
Wow....never thought I'd enjoy Bill Maher this much.
I just love Bill Maher!!!!!!!! Thank you for you direct honesty about society today and our supposed "adult" children and grand-children!!!
As a retired teacher I definitely experienced this especially in Middle School. Kids that don't experience boundaries are given powers when they are just learning , or supposed to be learning, responsibility.
Thank god you retired, you're a total mess.
Haidt is fantastic, but Bill's interview format is the wrong domain to have a proper discussion on this book. Haidt's podcast episode with Sam Harris was a much better overview.
There is 15 interviews with haidt on his ideas. Jeezus christ
What about Ham Sarris
His interview on the Ezra Klein Show (podcast) is also worth listening to, especially because he and Ezra have a slight difference of opinion on the issue.
Amusing watching old people blame kids for the way they are instead of blaming the parents that raised them
Bill literally called the parents out for being pussies. Did you even watch the video?
No, we blame the parents (ourselves), but we pity the kids.
One of the best one on ones I've ever seen on Real Time!
I think I need a hug now.
You are getting your information from RealTime. Goodluck.
@@pakpala1 You're here too, bud..
@@mitchu9677 I am here to laugh. Bill is a comedian to me.
Check your DMS
( New)... And buy a teddy bear ( Named after Theodore Roosevelt, A GREAT PRESIDENT ).
At the store yesterday, the teenager in front of me in line never looked up from his phone. He literally stayed glued to his phone from checkout, through payment and then exiting. He pulled out some cash and handed it to the clerk without even looking up to the cashier to just say "here is my money." He just gave it to her without looking and left his hand out waiting for the change. Just staring at his phone. It was so surreal to watch. No "hello, thank you, have a nice day." Nothing.
Adults do this, too.
@@alankohn5577Absolutely,
It's easy to say/blame the gen z for being too tech addicted.
Especially easy when you're a baby boomer writing it out on facebook.
The utter disrespect for another human being this behavior indicates is mind-boggling. The worst part of it being this creature neither realized nor cared about his effect on others.
Rarely agree with Mr. Maher on political issues, but in social issues like this, he's a keen observer. I agree that people need to form children through discipline and give them problem solving skills, not remove all problems from their lives.
But people quite often don't understand what discipline should be. They want to discard authoritarian parenting, including corporal punishment, and rightly so as those things are demonstrably harmful, but then replace it with a free for all.
Someone explain how these young people can be so hypersensitive while at the same time spending 90% of their time online with bullying, gossip, porn, neo-nazis, crime scene photos, bizarre conspiracy theories and just general information overload. If anything, you'd think they'd be dulled or thick-skinned to a fault.
Good point
Lol "neo-nazis" stfu bro
This book is probably going to get a lot more attention than the rest of his work, but I really hope it leads more people to discover his research on things like moral psychology and disgust. It's some of the most important psychological research that's been done in recent decades, and has incredible explanatory power.
I still remember this incident from the time when I was thirteen. I was not feeling well the whole day and waiting for my dad to return from work so that we can go see a doctor. My dad returned and I told him about how I wanted him to take me to a doctor and he said, “Well, the hospital is just half a mile away. And you know the way. Get moving. I’m not coming.”
And that’s when I realised how I really didn’t need him to escort me around for menial things like mild fever.
Seriously? 13?
@@donnasaathoff1220, yup. The incident left such an impression on me that a decade and a half later, I still remember it very clearly. It made me realise that I can be fairly independent. Thankful for moments like those, to be honest.
@@donnasaathoff1220 why not? A 13 year old can walk the 5 or so blocks that compromise half a mile
How sad that such self reliance is no longer universally taught to children. My experience along those lines occurred when I was 7 and a kid a couple of years older pushed me down on the playground 2 days in a row. I told my father about it and his reply was, "I can't do anything about it. I'm not there when it happens". What he was actually saying, of course, was "There are times when you have to stand up for yourself, and this is one of those times". I got the message, and it worked. The next day the kid approached me and as he reached out to knock me down, I gave him a punch in the mouth. He still knocked me down, but never did it again.
Social media and weak parenting has really brought us to a devastating and depressing time in the world. Keep your family and friends close and give support. Not likes and comments online, send them a private message and keep in touch.
Someone should tell the seals clapping in the audience he's talking about them
someone should tell the NPCs making ^this comment on every.Maher.clip that they're nothing but an interminable echo
Scaramuci had the best question...
I live in Australia and I worked 11 years as a high school teacher and have since worked 13 years as a nurse in community health nurse. I am appalled at the amount of mental illness and the numbers of people age under 30 who let a bout of depression or anxiety become a lifelong crippling illness. A lot of people look outside their window and just think 'Oh, God, this whole living your life thing is just too hard and too scary! I once worked with a teacher who took nearly a whole month off work because one of her pet horses died. I've worked with nurses who get critical feedback about their poor work performance and they immediately insist on taking stress leave. When did we become so fragile? God help us if something like the Great Depression or WW2 happens again!
As with any problem, one needs to address it. If they don't feel their coping skills are a problem, it will continue. Why it exists in the first place is because during the development stage when the brain learns to cope at its best, there were no traumatic situations in their lives where their brains learns to move on and thus by age sixteen, which is when people usually stop growing intellectually, they become incapable at facing life. I believe this is a communist intent on a generation they will eventually wish to control.
when did we become so fragile? I'll tell you. It's when you go to a therapist and even the therapist starts bullying you. Happens all the time.
I secretly wish for a cataclysm of some kind so that people will be forced to eat their pets to survive.
girl, shut up
Or Covid19
Thank you! I think I can stop holding my breath.
Can we have a show where it’s just this man and Jordan Peterson in a room, talking, with glasses of whiskey and a fireplace?
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William Schlass good but no whisky or fireplace :(
@@matthewheadland7307 XD that woulda made it perfect
Jereme, can I sit and listen with my own glass of whiskey? And perhaps some munchies?
I think there are a couple
Love Jonathan Haidt, keep having these interesting guests Bill!!
And maybe next time he will let them talk as well.
Always a pleasure to hear Prof. Haidt.
Starting 1985...
I started using a VCR in 1986! I saw kids rewatch so much! People can watch their own things. Pleading with a kid does not get things done! Welcome to America!
"Hey buddy! Ready to go?"
I almost fell out of my chair!
THANK YOU, Jonathan and Bill. you both nailed it. COMPLETELY. I'm glad I was born in '86, instead of '96 or '06 (although I wish I were born in '56, so I'd have a pension instead of a 401k). P.S. Haidt seems like such a rational, intelligent man. I wish people like that ran for office instead of quacks.
LOL about pensions if you were born in '56. It's the boomers' parents who had them, not the boomers.
@@JohnDoe-et8th Correct. I was born in 1955. No pension, but did have a 401k. Only pensions for several large manufacturing companies like Caterpillar, auto manufacturers, and government jobs.
Poor Haidt, he only got 3.5 minutes to speak
That’s ok his mouth seemed dry and he’s glicking like crazy
Well, this is suddenly topical.
oh you got offended becoz he just got 3.5 minutes ?
Joe Rogan podcast, he did it for hours
I mean you can watch his lectures about his book on YT if you want.
Respect for elders is essential!
Jonathan Haidt is an example of how we should all approach issues. Prioritizing emotion in decision-making leads to tribalism and irrational "us vs. them" mentality with absolutely no critical thinking. The rational thinkers sit silently on the sidelines, because it's a damn waste of time convincing anyone to look beyond their dogma
Dude is right on the money with a lot of this
7:38 oh really? *BULLSHIT SEXISM.* Research shows mobile gaming is almost 50/50 male and female. Google it.
Triggered!
erzan yeah, and YOU are one of the politically correct fools that Bill Maher trashes all the time. Get a damn grip on reality, and realize that liberal snowflakes like YOU who make a huge deal out of nothing CONSTANTLY are the PRECISE reason that the Democrat Party has FEWER elected seats in government than since the 1920's. Did you even garner the full point of this video? American youth ARE spoiled, coddled, and over-sheltered and it's going to be a disaster. Liberal American youth are a bunch of crybabies who can't stand hearing any opposing OPINIONS in life. This is why the left has all the political power of Dollar General. Stop self-destructing!
@@bbslabaugh "make a huge deal out of nothing" Yea, global warming, stagnate wages, and continued racism and police shooting are nothing. Sorry we bothered your oh so perfect America
Young J if you liberals are so worried about global warming, stagnant wages, and so-called racism WHY don't you TALK about those issues? The jerk who I responded to was in horror over the ratio of boys playing video games to girls playing video games. You liberals need to LISTEN to Bill Maher: you're DESTROYING YOURSELVES with political correctness. It's just like when the national leadership of the Democrat Party had a collective nervous breakdown over the team Washington Redskins. Democrat after Democrat DEMANDED that the Washington Redskins change their name because it's (gasp) racist! Then they did a poll and found that nine out of ten Native Americans didn't give a shit. Then liberals lost political power, and now whine about it. Hey liberals: try talking ISSUES, and drop the politically correct horse shit.
I wish I could thumbs up Jonathon and thumbs down Bill
Not that thumbs down’ing anything has much of an effect. It appears to be the CZcams comment equivalent of breathing into a brown paper bag.
Bill wasn't too bad here. Remember, he has to play to his idiotic following.
You just gave me the means to, buddy. And I thank you.
Yes
Bill has always been a typical lefty moron, but out of all the lefty morons....... he seems to be slowly "red pilling" himself. Most people that get "red pilled" get an "ah ha" moment and everything (truth/facts/reality) just seems to all of a sudden make sense....... for whatever reason, Bill seems to be "baby biting" his "red pill". I guess it doesn't matter how he does it as long as he ends up "finishing" his medication!:)
So, really it's a lack of confidence coupled with a lack or being self assertive.
5:44 Thank you for saying this.
Just finished the book. It's awesome! Everybody - parents, teachers, young adults and teens - should read it.
Wow, I just read about his work in a psych textbook, particularly, moral intuition, now here he is. Nice work, Bill.
It's gone from a "WE" society to a "ME" society, JFK's speech would have been wasted on this generation
As IF millennials even know who that is? I think they would think he is a rap artist
No... We've gone from a "what can I do" with the intent on looking towards building. To "how can I protect myself from..." with the focus on fear and destruction.
@John Doe I don't think you were actually listening to this segment.
John F Kennedy would be called a Nazi today
Any society that is capitalist can’t honestly or legitimately call itself a “we“ society
This book is so insightful. Every parent or person who works with or is family of gen i should read this book.
Technology advances so quickly that it creates wildly difference experiences for people born less than a decade apart.
I was born in the 1980s, and under the current definition, considered a millennial. Yet I had a vastly different experience than the millennial born in the 1990s.
I remember a time before the internet was public. When most people didn't have computers. When it was normal to have just one tv in the house.
When being kept inside the house was considered a punishment. I was allowed to walk to school by myself when I turned 8.
At 5 years old I was allowed to go outside and play as long as I was back before dinner.
When I was in high school there was no Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat or Twitter. I still don't have any social media accounts beyond this one if you consider CZcams the same as the ones I mentioned which I don't.
I feel like an old man when I talk to people who are less than 10 years younger than me.
You and me both.
Its amplified even further for millennials. We got the tail end of that experience and didn't really have it tainted too deeply until we were teenagers with cellphones (for the record, I've never had one, but I saw the world degrade around me from a unique perspective in regards to my peers to this point because of this). Are foundations were still shaped by the older experiences although a little painted by the internet. That gap you speak of is getting smaller and smaller, where I felt like an old man when I was 25 and especially now (29), speaking to people who are 5 years or more younger than me. We were the last generation to really understand and live the notion of a simpler world. We wondered @ the internet and all kinds of cool gadgets, and maybe some started obsessions with video games (especially boys) but we still had a balance for the most part. Nothing had such a negative stronghold in the foundation of our real world collective social brains as it is with Gen Z and social media on a global scale.
My perspective is that millennials were actually the sacrificial lamb in this experiment of control and coddling. We were pushed certain notions of uniqueness and self-empowerment (nothing I'm actually against in there pure forms to be honest) and positive global connection and possibility, while also being pushed into the pipeline of adulthood that was a relic of an older world and hasn't worked for us so we ended up fighting back for things that matter to us or just giving up in defeat. We've been villainized for both and also pre-emptively described in the same vein as Gen Z before the corruption of their childhood experiences had come to bear. They used the model of the feedback loop our generation's crossover experience provided and turned it up a million notches with no checks and balances on Gen Z. Now as millennials, we have had to find ways to cope with previous generations' stranglehold on society that doesn't reflect our reality, having delayed and weak adulthoods, dealing with our own forms of detrimental coddling and experiences with social media and the internet, while also being lumped in with a Gen Z that has a completely different experience then us, while also feeling hopeless and finding a way to help them better than previous generations helped us. On that note, some millennials have gone on to be parents and have solidified into the role models for the worst traits of ourselves as well. I must say, its been a rock and a hard place kinda deal, but I'm hoping and feeling that this will show us our critical role as a transitional generation and force us to transform to the points of strength that we missed out on growing up while still affecting the world to change from its negative old ways.
@@chrisrobinson246 Too long bro
I don’t agree with Bill’s politics but there are some times when I can’t help but nod in agreement. This was one of those times. Thank you for having Jonathon on your show, Bill. Cheers.
Lmao Anthony Scaramucci had a good question, he should've done the interview
Right!? Interesting that he brought more to the conversation than anyone else. (Other than the great Jonathan Haidt, of course)
Well said....negotiating and bulldozing is plain ridiculous. This segment is 100% on point.
Bill talks over his guests way too much...
Well he's a clown, a narcissistic liar most of the time only wanting attention .
it's a DISCUSSION SHOW
He needs to move his show to a format that isn't time limited. Do a full 2 hour if you need it and then get an editor to whittle it down for network. Post the full interview online. Simple.
You are absolutely right. I thought this segment wasn’t even that bad. Still my favourite show anyway.
I didn't get that feeling here
Damn Bill went HAM on SJWs tonight, savage
"insane woke shit"
Im 18 and i find "Most" of what you said very very true, good video.
Great stuff!
That stat at the end was insanely sad.
It's even sadder. It's only the beginning. No one discusses with youngsters economics of sex (not prostitution, but the whole deal from birth to death of a boy or of a girl). Boys will manage (virginity and porn, slowed down development, some still kill themselves for sure), but girls will be hit hard. A thousand things that'll certainly affect economics of sex is going down the pipes right now
@@xZeroTheGreat You're joking right ? Some kill themselves ? The rate of boys killing themselves is still much higher than that of girls, even if girl suicide is increasing more rapidly. Economics of sex ? The whole 'deal' from birth to death is much harder on boys than girls, all you have to do is look up on the statistics of male suicide, workplace deaths, incarceration rates, court discrimination, custody or any of the myriads of ways "boys" have it harder. But nobody gives a shit about suicide rates and social media pressure until girls are affected. Yeah sure, boys only use social media to interact with video games and their bullying is physical so not a big deal, poor girls post on social media waiting for likes so it is super stressful and their bullying is psychological, oh no they will be hit hard and they won't manage, but boys can manage with porn !
This is scary stuff. I need a save space now.
Reading his book now. it’s amazing so far.
Spot on
There's a happy medium between absurd fragility and enabling bullying. I was bullied mercilessly in high school and it still affects me many years later by a serious and painful lack of self confidence and fearfulness. Bullying was allowed and never seriously dealt with seriosly when I was a younger. Yes, people do not have a right to a sanitized, completely unstressful existence. But bullying should be addressed as the serious menace it is. I believe my life would have much happier and much more successful if it had been a focus as is now the case.
A voice of reason? Am I really in the CZcams comments section?
somersetdc Haidt is aware of this and addresses it in his book.
While some idiots will pretty much be dismissive about things like bullying (and some others catastrophizing it way beyond reasonable), the biggest problem is when we reach to things like students demanding to college courses of law and social work to be censored of "triggering" topics like rape. www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/trouble-teaching-rape-law
BULLSHIT. Everybody got bullied and 99.9% got over it the next day. If you are still holding on to BULLSHIT from 30 yrs ago you suffer from peter pan syndrome. Grow up already, it's embarrassing.
Moia Beemer. You can feel about other's experience any way you wish. I feel that you are ignorant and insensitive to other people's pain. Have a nice day.
Just catching the news via some late night monologues is depressing enough, I dont need FB to depress me more. Im glad I left years ago.
Bill should give this a watch now.
Consider who's running the social media sites, and it makes even more sense this is coming from social media.
I think people's over-sensitivity is a method of control. I mean we're all hypersensitive - but if you aren't hardcore and able to handle people being messed up, challenging you, critiquing you -- it stops your ability to grow and it turns you into a control freak that is permanently stunted. I would never want to be that way!!
Delilah Weeks I see hyper-sensitivity everywhere. I was diagnosed last year with High-Functioning Autism. One of my challenges with this is “brutal honesty,” where I will tell the truth, even if it hurts. Also, I will answer literal questions, instead of finding the question they were asking between-the-lines.
So now, I’m in therapy, where I am effectively being taught how to lie in the way that makes “normal” people more comfortable. And yet I am the one with the problem.
The average person cannot handle very much honesty.
"I mean we're all hypersensitive"
No, we aren't, Delilah. But there are more people now that appear extremely sensitive than I can ever recall, which is what Dr Haidt is talking about.
@DrumWild I am not sure you learning how to "lie" is going to help. What I have learned over the years is that I just have to become more tactful. Not lie, but use tact. Good luck!
Delilah, see Passive Aggressive personality. It is one way that those without social power survive. of course, sociopathic personalities also use it, cynically. Playing the victim does lead to believing one is the victim, over time.
this Machiavellian child response does underlie some disorders that seem cemented in later. Note trump's incapacity to let anything slide. there' are tests which, if answered honestly, one can place one on the narcissistic scale. I kept trying these as a curious student, and since, but never could place high enough to be attractive to females. It's clearly a social norm in which I am an outlier, and never want to be any more toward the mean ol' mean in this culture.
Analogous to Tower 7 : Ameaning It sounds more like word salad
Hypersensitive? Speak for yourself I left out the period in the last sentence to drive retentitive people crazy
Haidt's book is really well researched and presented. Highly recommended, regardless of your political views
It was great watching Bill Maher talk at Jonathan Haidt
This is so spot on. Random thought but I think this is why a lot of people have those doorbell cameras. They are so afraid of the outside world because they have just little true experience of it
0:55 2013 Start of safetyism
2:10 generational vague
After 1985 different 2011 enter college
3:35 antifragility
3:49 immune system analogy
7:15 girls more than boys
4:22 ..yo
DUM DUM's like you need cliff notes LMFAO!!!!!!!!!
Did anyone else's heart break when he said the last few words of this video?
There's always a rule with products, if the producers doesn't use it, neither should you. They're made to be destructive and addicting.
That videogame anecdote has got to be the best unintentional bit I've ever heard
My son is from generation Z and isn’t fragile at all ! Thanks to the way he was raised at home 🤗
As a parent of two children born in 92 and 02, I might have a causal take on why kids are the raised the way they are. My parents are baby boomers, born in 45 and 50. I was placed in daycare until I was ten and by the time I was in middle school, I rarely saw my parents because they had demanding careers with long hours. While my friends were growing up, our parents were spending all of their time making money and socializing with colleagues and adult friends. Now, I enjoyed the freedom and responsibility that I had. But, I wouldn't be surprised if my generation actually missed our parents, as we grew up and as a result raised their children completely different from the way they were raised.
Just as the baby boomers rebelled against their parents and did 180 in how and when they raised their children. The Gen X parents might be doing the same thing to our children. Does that make sense?
True enough. But it's interesting because one of the biggest complaints Baby Boomers had about their parents was that they were too materialistic. I always suspected that was a lot of crap, and I was born in 1949.
Really great segment! I think Bill and Jon are on the same page here addressing a really important topic. The Coddling of the American Mind is a really great and significant read. I’d rate it 10/10. To poke a bit of fun at Max Boot, I’d paraphrase his contribution to the discussion here as, “I don’t actually have anything meaningful to add to this conversation but Donald Trump sucks!!!” It’s really fascinating how folks on the left can take literally any topic and make it about the president. This is just one guy’s opinion who’s in the middle and not worth much so if you’re triggered just by reading this, first realize this statement probably applies to you and then secondly go and buy Jon and Greg’s book as fast as humanly possible:)
I can't recommend this book highly enough it changed my life and my wife's too.
This is so spot on and clearly happening yet nobody is going to do a damn thing to change it. Shame.
I like how The Mooch weighed in on this.
Haidt did a little flub there at the end. He normally mentions that those numbers are for ATTEMPTED suicides. Boys are more deadly and effective in thier methods, while girls are attempting, but not as successful. If you wanna call it that.
Haidt probably didn't mean to.
Brian Chee Girls do fail more often at suicide, so they really need to step it up and get on par with the boys.
@@DrumWild i know right!! wheres the equality the girls should be as successful at killing themselves as the boys are!
Not to mention, he says girls' suicide rates went up 70 percent and boys' only 25 percent, but that's sort of misleading. Boys' suicide rates were higher than girls' to begin with, so the boys' rate increasing by 25 percent is probably, speaking in terms of people killed, the same amount as the girls' 70 percent.
@@thejdogcool The ladies are catching up!
Just like Canadian vs American suicides.
Great show
Jonathan Haidt and Anthony Scaramucci were once in the same room as each other...
I can now die a happy man :)
Learning starts when you are born. I was born in Kentucky and now I live in California. As an anthropologist, I learned from different people I learned about தமிழ் நாடு i.e.the Tamil people and their language.
It's psychologists like these that we need right now,
to talk some sense into the world again.
I include Peterson into this group also.
Jonathan Haidt is one of my favorite intellectuals by far.
Bill, this is what those of us interested in long form discussions want to hear from/about. I not believe you are entirely ideologically motivated. We differ wholly on politics, yet I find your candor quite refreshing. I desperately want and need to hear your coherent perspective on subjects I don't necessarily agree with you on. I adore this type of content.
Dave Rubin's vids are long form. This is "Bill interrupts every 4 seconds" form.
@@blader45bc you are correct. Just thought I'd nudge a little.