Wow I want one so bad. I'm paralyzed from a bad car accident and don't have use of my legs. I'm currently working on designing hand controls for gas and brake. Having a motion system would just blow my mind. Anyway really enjoy your videos. You definitely know your stuff.
I have had my DK2 for 3 weeks now, and I am really happy with the purchase. The level of detail in the motion and vibration is really good. I run iRacing in VR and this system makes the car so much more alive.
@jonesyterp You can drive fast on any rig, even with an old G25 wheel. But the better feedback you get from a good wheel and a good motion system, the easier it will be to react to what the car is doing. Especially in a race when you go outside off your optimal race line to pass someone or driving at the limit with different track state and temperatures. DK 2 give you fast and exact feedback with movement and vibration. If you ask me I feel it give me an advantage. And driving with VR and motion takes the virtual reality another step closer to actually feel that you drive a racecar. ;)
@jonesyterp Cool. The MECAs look good. I use the VRS pedals. It really help to get a harder and more accurate pedal. If you are a bit curious about the DK2 you should send Sigma Integrale a email. They are really helpful ;)
Steffen please ..dbox has also a haptic feedback so Its also acting like transducers not only making pitch roll but also providing u to feel surfaces shakes bumps ..does this system have this ability also ?
@@marsinko9714 Yes. As i understand it, it can produce vibration up to 1000hz. It works really good, I feel the surface and vibration in the car. They also work to add engine vibration in the next update in september. You should contact Sigma Integrale, they can answer alot of these questions better than me. And they have the best support. ;)
This looks like a very nice product with good potential. Software and compatibility will get updated, it looks super easy to setup and get going. The stroke doesn't bother me since it will be really fast even with a lot of weight which is a huge plus. I'm thinking this would be a great setup combined with my gs5 seat. I hope they work on a traction loss upgrade option too along with software updates then it will be perfect. It's great to see many more motion options that won't break the bank
@@elmalloc not for me, I mostly run GT3 and ACC is my go to, haven't raced IR since ACC full release. If Iracing is going to be the only title then there goes my hope of adding motion, at 4900 i was on the website contemplating an order as this is a much better option than 10k+ for PT Actuator system or D-Box I was considering. I hope it gets the support as I had decide to drop the dream of motion until I saw this video.
They added ACC and there are more to come. I think they're up to 6 titles. I ordered one and the owner emailed me and called me. This looks like a very promising product. They are very easy to get a hold of.
@@budokaiboy thanks, I have submitted my order as well just patiently awiting the shipping details. This will be my first experience with any kind of motion so very excited, not to thrilled about buying a new rig, but went ahead and purchased a p1x, but now have an N1 Chassis that I can't get ride of lol.
I don't know a lot about sim racing, but if I can give you a tip about the sound, try to see if you can have a lo-cut on your mic to cut a bit on the proximity effect. good videos, regardless!
Would love to see you try these on something like Dirt Rally 2.0 or Richard Burns Rally since it's more rough than dirt in iRacing :) (Not supported yet i saw now)
another well executed video. I am thinking, with so many different movers, that it would be a great vid if you went thro the options as it can get very confusion due to so much choice?
Seems like it’s competing with DBOX system. This needs more hardware stroke and software compatibility. The sim industry needs to standardize on protocols like EtherNetIP and CANBus (automobile and industrial sectors already use these) so endusers don’t have to worry about hardware/software interoperability or being stuck with a proprietary system. If the sim accessory industry wants to grow further, they need to conform to a common standard.
For something this heavy duty the price tag isnt bad but the software seems like and after thought They definitely need to work on it and im curious of what Sims/Games are supported. Now that we got DD wheels on the market were seeing more focus on DOF solutions and the more competition the better for us consumers.
Very interesting, if the DK2 guys are reading this... I really hope you introduce smoothing per slider option, in your next release. From the looks of it, these are super accurate, high precision, fast as hell actuators, which is great for road texture, but horrible for roll and gas/brake actions which aren't as sharp. Smoothing should help with the ball screw noise too... This maybe a dumb question; I'm curious why these guys don't just work to integrate with SimFeedback software?
looks like they added the smoothing per sliders! buddy of mine got their system and the ball screw noise on this nothing like what you hear on the review. at least 2 folds quieter
modern race cars like gt3, gt4, gt500, etc.) are actually pretty violent when driving. The suspensions is stiff as hell, the chassis is stiff, and you get beat up. I gotta check out other vids with this system on different sims and rally stuff. It needs a 5th motor for Yaw.
Do you think it’s okay to have the monitors stationary or do they need to be mounted to the rig for a good experience? I’ve heard people saying they should be mounted and it has me a little worried about spending so much!
Unfortunately he doesn't have time to answer questions up here BUT if you email him I'm sure he would be happy to answer your question..I always send him a small amount of money just to show my appreciation
I hope we can get a review of the new SimLab Inverted Pedal Rack ASAP. Even more I wish we could get a review of the HPP JBVs being used with the new SimLab Inverted Pedal Rack.
@Conner Murphy little tip when asking a question on a channel with many comments if it doesn't do it automatically put @Sim Racing Garage for instance so he sees it as a message not just a comment
@@bystander85 the DK2 system is more direct feedback u feel, none of there motion code is fabricated, it’s generated from all real time sim physics, it’s more of a raw hardcore system than DBOX, with the DBOX it’s good but allot of the feedback is fabricated from effect based motion, I think the DBox is a better overall entertainment system for doing different applications, but for driving simulation the DK2 cannot be beat!
@@SURG3NT dbox also has physics-based motion layers (I.e. the actual car motion reported by simulator). I was under the impression all effects layers could be independently turned off in the software.
@@bystander85 yes of course DBox has full physics based motion but it also has fake effects too, the way the motion is delivered well at least to me the DK2 is better at letting you know what each tire of the car is doing..I’ve had both, and I jus feel of you are a hardcore driving simulation fan then the DK2 is the better choice, DBox is an entertainment system, the DK2 is a Driving system
You could actually see the car shake in the video align better with the motion rig as you adjusted the settings down. I've been considering a motion rig but I'm still concerned about how pitch/roll will create incorrect head inertia compared to driving a real car. Sure the motion rig is moving correctly according to the suspension but, for example, under braking the majority of the force would have your head move forward where as in this case with the rig pitching downward your head would actually move backward. @SimRacingGarage I would love to hear your perspective on this
nice info but is it just me or when you was driving in the straights the rig was slighlty lower angle to the right of the screen it seemed to me it didnt level out on the flat part of the straights
I wonder how this beast would feel in SPA Eau Rouge. My only concern would be the durability of leg mountings (tiny T-nuts and bolts and aluminium profiles) on this aluminium rig.
Only supports 2 titles as opposed to close to 100 for D-BOX. Also has way less tuning parameters. You can get a used but certified D-BOX Gen 1 unit for less.
@@JD- D-BOX sucks... way overpriced for what you get. The state of the art for $10K or less is G Force Factory’s EDGE 6D. Moves much faster, longer travel, quicker acceleration...
You should test the 6DOF EDGE from G Force Factory - it’s the fastest velocity, fastest acceleration, largest motion range, motion base available for under ~$10K.
you don't need a lot of motion to trick the brain, what's most important is fast response times with zero lag/delay. This option is fast, can manage a much heavier weight than a number of other rival options, is really easy to setup and is much cheaper than DBOX
another video from the messiah of sim racing
Officially Barry is now the king of motion
Wow I want one so bad. I'm paralyzed from a bad car accident and don't have use of my legs. I'm currently working on designing hand controls for gas and brake. Having a motion system would just blow my mind. Anyway really enjoy your videos. You definitely know your stuff.
Damn bro I'm sorry that happened to you 😓
Fanatec's F1 magnetic paddle shifter set has analog hand inputs plus 4 shifters.
A circle behind the wheel for accelerator. A handbrake system for the brakes. ✌️
I have had my DK2 for 3 weeks now, and I am really happy with the purchase. The level of detail in the motion and vibration is really good. I run iRacing in VR and this system makes the car so much more alive.
@jonesyterp You can drive fast on any rig, even with an old G25 wheel. But the better feedback you get from a good wheel and a good motion system, the easier it will be to react to what the car is doing. Especially in a race when you go outside off your optimal race line to pass someone or driving at the limit with different track state and temperatures. DK 2 give you fast and exact feedback with movement and vibration. If you ask me I feel it give me an advantage. And driving with VR and motion takes the virtual reality another step closer to actually feel that you drive a racecar. ;)
@jonesyterp Cool. The MECAs look good. I use the VRS pedals. It really help to get a harder and more accurate pedal. If you are a bit curious about the DK2 you should send Sigma Integrale a email. They are really helpful ;)
Steffen please ..dbox has also a haptic feedback so Its also acting like transducers not only making pitch roll but also providing u to feel surfaces shakes bumps ..does this system have this ability also ?
@@marsinko9714 Yes. As i understand it, it can produce vibration up to 1000hz. It works really good, I feel the surface and vibration in the car. They also work to add engine vibration in the next update in september. You should contact Sigma Integrale, they can answer alot of these questions better than me. And they have the best support. ;)
Hey Steffen, How is your DK2 holding up so far? I am about to order one . Any problems to report ? Cheers mate
Wow very professional system. Colour me impressed!
This looks like a very nice product with good potential. Software and compatibility will get updated, it looks super easy to setup and get going. The stroke doesn't bother me since it will be really fast even with a lot of weight which is a huge plus. I'm thinking this would be a great setup combined with my gs5 seat. I hope they work on a traction loss upgrade option too along with software updates then it will be perfect. It's great to see many more motion options that won't break the bank
Ayo! nice review as always :D
I know what I am saving for. Thank you for the video
I want to see a slow-mo video of this setup and the wind fans, and Barry's majestic hair bouncing and blowing around.
I WILL DONATE FOR THAT.
And with Chariots of fire playing in the background
my bitch bad
Seems you have a lot of fans in Germany. Greetings from Ludwigsburg.
BW Gang
Ciller kontent as usual, good sir.
Oh wow!!!!! got something new to watch lol
Finally a more cost effective option, if ACC, Raceroom, and AMS get support I am in on a purchase.
and if they don't? is this thing worth it?
@@elmalloc not for me, I mostly run GT3 and ACC is my go to, haven't raced IR since ACC full release. If Iracing is going to be the only title then there goes my hope of adding motion, at 4900 i was on the website contemplating an order as this is a much better option than 10k+ for PT Actuator system or D-Box I was considering. I hope it gets the support as I had decide to drop the dream of motion until I saw this video.
They added ACC and there are more to come. I think they're up to 6 titles. I ordered one and the owner emailed me and called me. This looks like a very promising product. They are very easy to get a hold of.
@@budokaiboy thanks, I have submitted my order as well just patiently awiting the shipping details. This will be my first experience with any kind of motion so very excited, not to thrilled about buying a new rig, but went ahead and purchased a p1x, but now have an N1 Chassis that I can't get ride of lol.
@@virtualapex83 They're showing a July 6th ship date
well first :-)
coming from Germany > love your Videos
Nice video!!. ... likes fron Spain...
Thank you Barry
I don't know a lot about sim racing, but if I can give you a tip about the sound, try to see if you can have a lo-cut on your mic to cut a bit on the proximity effect. good videos, regardless!
Man brotha you got the best toys ever!!! Lol
Would love to see you try these on something like Dirt Rally 2.0 or Richard Burns Rally since it's more rough than dirt in iRacing :) (Not supported yet i saw now)
czcams.com/video/gtf72RjtDwI/video.html
another well executed video. I am thinking, with so many different movers, that it would be a great vid if you went thro the options as it can get very confusion due to so much choice?
How would you compare this with the PT scorpion actuators? They are about $1000 apart in price but I’m having trouble deciding.
great vid again, i dont think i would buy it myself.
Seems like it’s competing with DBOX system. This needs more hardware stroke and software compatibility.
The sim industry needs to standardize on protocols like EtherNetIP and CANBus (automobile and industrial sectors already use these) so endusers don’t have to worry about hardware/software interoperability or being stuck with a proprietary system. If the sim accessory industry wants to grow further, they need to conform to a common standard.
For something this heavy duty the price tag isnt bad but the software seems like and after thought They definitely need to work on it and im curious of what Sims/Games are supported. Now that we got DD wheels on the market were seeing more focus on DOF solutions and the more competition the better for us consumers.
Another sim motion system. My decision just got harder. Great.
Same here.
don't worry. by the time you can afford any of them you will be dead. at least in my case
@@elmalloc who told you to have children then if you were gonna be so bothered by not having spare spending money then lol. Classic breeder mentality.
Greetings from Germany :) which motion system is better, the DK2 from Sigma Integrale or the SR1 / SR2 from Simrig? best regards :D
Very interesting, if the DK2 guys are reading this... I really hope you introduce smoothing per slider option, in your next release. From the looks of it, these are super accurate, high precision, fast as hell actuators, which is great for road texture, but horrible for roll and gas/brake actions which aren't as sharp. Smoothing should help with the ball screw noise too... This maybe a dumb question; I'm curious why these guys don't just work to integrate with SimFeedback software?
looks like they added the smoothing per sliders! buddy of mine got their system and the ball screw noise on this nothing like what you hear on the review. at least 2 folds quieter
@@Delta-mt8xb Do you know for sure that they added the smoothing to their system :) I am about to place my order
@@user-ze2ok4fz1e yes. but Russians don't need smoothing. Da?
@@PeterSosinski This thread is turning into a Russian language practice… :)
@@user-ze2ok4fz1e proper engine vibration coming out soon... ;-)
you might want to mount it on a thick rubber mat to replicate tyre elasticity
that is a good idea
modern race cars like gt3, gt4, gt500, etc.) are actually pretty violent when driving. The suspensions is stiff as hell, the chassis is stiff, and you get beat up. I gotta check out other vids with this system on different sims and rally stuff. It needs a 5th motor for Yaw.
Barry,
Did you try to see how it compares driving your S2000 @VIR with MX-5 (closest iRacing has to the S2000?) in iRacing?
Hey Barry, what is the voltage for the unit?
115, or 220.
Do you think it’s okay to have the monitors stationary or do they need to be mounted to the rig for a good experience? I’ve heard people saying they should be mounted and it has me a little worried about spending so much!
How close are you to the monitor? Ordered this buy trying to figure out how close or where to position the monitors!
Barry is that black PCB a beaglesbone
Barry, what cockpit are you using the GT omega? Thanks for the video!
Unfortunately he doesn't have time to answer questions up here BUT if you email him I'm sure he would be happy to answer your question..I always send him a small amount of money just to show my appreciation
26:15 gt omega prime
I hope we can get a review of the new SimLab Inverted Pedal Rack ASAP. Even more I wish we could get a review of the HPP JBVs being used with the new SimLab Inverted Pedal Rack.
Could you do a review on a Treq one rig, or just any of their rigs. :)
I think he did a review on a treq seat once..
Barry how does this dk2 compare to the simrig sr1 / sr2 systems?
@Conner Murphy little tip when asking a question on a channel with many comments if it doesn't do it automatically put @Sim Racing Garage for instance so he sees it as a message not just a comment
Is any better if only make your chair moving , the steering wheel and pedal fix position?
Less immersive but you would need less power to just move the chair
Wonder when a giveaway would be a thing... I would be so down for something lol
How do these compare to d-box gen3?
Better!! I know because I have owned both!!
@@SURG3NT in what way are they different?
@@bystander85 the DK2 system is more direct feedback u feel, none of there motion code is fabricated, it’s generated from all real time sim physics, it’s more of a raw hardcore system than DBOX, with the DBOX it’s good but allot of the feedback is fabricated from effect based motion, I think the DBox is a better overall entertainment system for doing different applications, but for driving simulation the DK2 cannot be beat!
@@SURG3NT dbox also has physics-based motion layers (I.e. the actual car motion reported by simulator). I was under the impression all effects layers could be independently turned off in the software.
@@bystander85 yes of course DBox has full physics based motion but it also has fake effects too, the way the motion is delivered well at least to me the DK2 is better at letting you know what each tire of the car is doing..I’ve had both, and I jus feel of you are a hardcore driving simulation fan then the DK2 is the better choice, DBox is an entertainment system, the DK2 is a Driving system
You could actually see the car shake in the video align better with the motion rig as you adjusted the settings down.
I've been considering a motion rig but I'm still concerned about how pitch/roll will create incorrect head inertia compared to driving a real car. Sure the motion rig is moving correctly according to the suspension but, for example, under braking the majority of the force would have your head move forward where as in this case with the rig pitching downward your head would actually move backward. @SimRacingGarage I would love to hear your perspective on this
Hello Gregory, you may want to take a look at this video: czcams.com/video/grQ6KD--A_U/video.html Cheers!
nice info but is it just me or when you was driving in the straights the rig was slighlty lower angle to the right of the screen it seemed to me it didnt level out on the flat part of the straights
I wonder how this beast would feel in SPA Eau Rouge. My only concern would be the durability of leg mountings (tiny T-nuts and bolts and aluminium profiles) on this aluminium rig.
"tiny T-nuts and bolts and aluminum profiles".... You don't know what you're talking about do you?
It´s time to test the a very good 3 DOF System from Germany. 3 Motion from Track Time. Feels very realistic.
Price is good compared to d-box gen 3.
Only supports 2 titles as opposed to close to 100 for D-BOX. Also has way less tuning parameters. You can get a used but certified D-BOX Gen 1 unit for less.
@@JD- Ok, good point
@@JD- D-BOX sucks... way overpriced for what you get. The state of the art for $10K or less is G Force Factory’s EDGE 6D. Moves much faster, longer travel, quicker acceleration...
@@Fluterra Only 5 games supported and 8K €.... I'll stick with my D-BOX that was $4.5K.
But if you're happy with your platform then that's good.
@@JD- its anyways all inverted forces. watch the video from niles heusinkveld about it
Make the Arduino sim racing gearbox review.
You should test the 6DOF EDGE from G Force Factory - it’s the fastest velocity, fastest acceleration, largest motion range, motion base available for under ~$10K.
Fastest acceleration?? At 0.6G that is a false statement.
NRG Prisma seat on a sim rig 🤔 why not i guess 🤣
still expensive... two games only supported..
Made in the USA
I guess they wanted to get in the game but I feel they aren't quite ready yet.
seems really noisy for a $5200 system
love the ad's, but honestly the products are terrible.
50mm? Is this a joke? Why even develop such a thing...
you don't need a lot of motion to trick the brain, what's most important is fast response times with zero lag/delay. This option is fast, can manage a much heavier weight than a number of other rival options, is really easy to setup and is much cheaper than DBOX