I loved every single part of WML from the introductions, the women's dresses/gowns, the guests/mystery guests, John Daly , the way they said goodnight. Great to revisit my childhood memories. I watched most of the over eight hundred episodes and have noted the many duplicate lines people had; example three different women who were all dog catchers.
@@greatstag Lol, no dark conspiracy theory needed. Mr Daly was just being ironic and in the process of making a joke about the unusually large snowstorm NY had that weekend. Unfortunately, there was some technical glitch and we can't hear the rest of his remark.
How amazing it is that we're able to watch this show nearly six decades later, living in a world with technology none of them could have even begun to imagine.
Oh, yes. Jet packs, nanobot surgeries, discovering of the space warp and as a result the quickies possible traveling from point a to point b, colonization of Mars, first expeditions to the other galaxies... Nah, I'm pretty sure they could imagine a portable telephones with cameras. Jetsons premiered an year later.
That was so cute that Dorothy repeated the same line, "what do you want me to do darling, give it away?" which is what Debbie Reynolds said when she was a mystery guest. That was adorable.
Merrida100 ~ ~ THANK YOU!!! I’m so glad you mentioned this. I don’t remember Debbie saying that although I do remember seeing the episode with her as the special guest.
@@larciabella Dorothy was the only newspaper reporter all the panelists that night knew who was likely to show up. (And Martin and Arlene also knew Dorothy's father Jim.) Martin recognized Dorothy's Debbie impression right away. :)
I am starting the door to door polling on that tomorrow. I figure we'll be finished ohhh..about the time my great great grandson turns 52..and then we'll see if you were the only one excited. I just hope when me and my kids and great and great great grandkids come knocking folks can remember how their great great grandparents and their grandparents and parents felt. My guess is yeah..probably.. they could take it or leave it.
It's no accident that Bennett was absent. By this point, Dorothy had alienated virtually the entire panel and John Daly as well. She had made the unfortunate decision to reveal personal confidences given to her by the panel in her syndicated column, and when she was called out on this behavior, her reply was that she was a journalist first and a friend second. Bennett in particular found her lack of ethics reprehensible, to the point that he could barely stand to be in the same room with her. Unlike nowadays, however, people in the public eye were much better at concealing their true feelings back then.
@@jasonhurd4379 After the Kilgallen-Daly issue its likely they were a bit more guarded around Dorothy, but Bennett was just on holiday at the time of this episode, nothing more to it than that. (And it would be somewhat hypocritical for Bennett Cerf to question anyone else's ethics given about this time he was one of those involved in setting up the Famous Writers School swindle.)
@@jasonhurd4379 I don't believe you. You must have read that on yt or Google or Facebook. All of those sources lie like dogs about celebrities. It's sickening.
@@SymphonyBrahms If you call getting a wrongfully convicted murderer free through extensive research "nasty gossip," then your opinion is worthless. Kilgallen was once called the most powerful woman in America for her journalistic prowess.
I wish it was 20 years, but they only had 17 years (1950-67). I was sad beyond sad when I found out it was their last show on Sep. 3, 1967, after 3 wonderful years watching it at 10:30pm ET Sunday night. On the back side (hour) of the equally wonderful "Candid Camera" show.
According to Arlene's autobiography ... Dorothy and Arlene were not very close ... as both had their own lives, interests outside of What'sMyLine ... sure both adored each other. Book Title: "Arlene Francis: A Memoir"
I just love this show ! The camaraderie between Dorothy & Arlene was especially touching. They were all so refined, warm, witty & genuinely lovely people❤️
Dorothy Kilgallen...Surely one of the most beautiful and intelligent women ever in the media world...I'd have loved to have met her and moreover conversed with her...she was SO special....
It’s so sort of bittersweet when watch these shows and seeing how people used to generally treat one another with such dignity and kindness. It was just part of life. Not that everyone is rude today but we’ve certainly lost something as a society.
Television in 1961 was somewhat still in infancy. Isn't it remarkable that WML is obviously better entertainment that what is currently available . This is truly wonderful television.
Robert, me too. She was an incredible mix of all kinds of people. I would have liked to see her in old age, sitting around the bridge table gossiping and having a good old time. What a remarkable woman.
I'm an old guy, and was probably 7-8 years old when WML was on every Sunday. My bedtime was 7pm and sometimes my parents would let me stay up a half hour to watch this show. I loved panel including Arlene Francis and her husband Martin Gabel plus Debbie Reynolds who was one of my favorites many years ago when I lived in Las Vegas. I saw her and her daughter in a show which was announced as Debbies last before retirement. Carrie was there with her, with Tod and Carries daughter, Billie Lourde. It was about 2 years later when Carrie died on Sunday and Debbie followed her 48 hours later.
Dorothy was a true treasure! Beautiful, talented, personality, I mean this lady had it all! I’ve read so much about her! I truly believe the mystery around her death is legit! I know many talk of her being a heavy drinker, but I just find it hard to believe! Maybe one day the truth will come out!
When I was a kid in the 50's and 60's, I used to love the Kellogg's "Variety Pack", 10 small boxes of assorted cereals, each an individual serving. My brother and sister loved it too. Occasionally, my mom would indulge us by buying a Variety Pack, but very rarely -- it was a significantly more expensive way to buy cereal than getting a large box of a specific kind.
+ToddSF 94109 I remember the first time my Mom bought the variety pack (at least in my lifetime), there were two packages of Apple Jacks and eight packages of whatever wasn't Apple Jacks. There were nine kids in my family, and being the eighth, I had to really put up quite a fuss to get some of those Apple Jacks. I did.
I had a similar experience in the 60s & 70s, and I used to love to cut along the dotted lines to turn the box into a bowl and that way eat the cereal right out of the package! I've only gotten the Variety Pack for my own kids when we've been on vacation, I think.
SaveThe TPC -- Yes! We kids wondered about the peculiar perforations on each package and my mom showed us how to cut through the perforations and the waxed paper liner underneath so that the waxed paper would function as a liquid-proof bowl to hold the milk. Great feature if you're on the road, such as in a motel room and you have some milk in your ice-chest or in-room fridge.
To be fair to Debbie, the guest presented a topic few Americans knew anything about at that time -- missiles and rockets were still quite new to the world, as were submarines launching nuclear weapons. And I'm sure Debbie knew little about the military. Just forming pertinent questions would be hard. I think all the panel could excused for not getting that one.
John is so formal and yet so self-effacing and humorous. Look at 10:59. Simply hysterical... and he knew it. But had he drawn attention to it, it wouldn't have come off nearly as well.
I would've loved to see that! Arlene's the only one of the original WML regulars who has never appeared as the Mystery Guest (Dorothy did it in this episode, Steve and Fred did it a few times each, John did it in the final episode, and Bennett did it in the syndicated version). As a professional actress, she probably could've fooled the panel the most!
It's not just Daly but even the panelists who got her name 90% right. Although the second syllable name in as A Her name is pronounced as "Munskhani" or perhaps "Monsukhani". The first three letters are pronounced in the same manner as the first three letters of "monkey". But the rest of her name was pronounced perfectly.
Love Mr. Daly's quote re: the Polaris missle as a deterrent: "We don't want trouble with anybody but if they want trouble with us man we'll give them something they haven't figured on".
What is nice is that Arlene stood up for Dorothy and broke the WML tradition of women sitting down, when guests exit. I wonder what Arlene's thoughts are of Dorothy's death. Anyway, a great episode!
I;d think he'd wear boots with a dogger heel (one that goes straight up from the floor) rather than a cowboy heel (the back of the heel is slanted)...a VERY un-New York like choice, regardless of the weather, but especially in the winter! ! !
Fabulous to see our Dorothy back. It's not the same without her, same goes for Bennett and Arlene. And I adore when Martin is on the panel. On a superficial note, Arlene is looking particularly fabulous. Wasn't digging the hair and makeup on the last few shows. And she's got it back together!
Oh I forgot to throw in my non-superficial comment! Looooove the look of relief and love coming from Arlene seeing Dorothy. Super treasure seeing their relationship on a personal level.
Lorna Badeo Ever read or heard the story of WML? Dorothy wasn't that liked, for good reason. John in particular wasn't too fond of her. It got to a point where no one wanted to even communicate with her behind the scenes aside from professionally. She let her reporter skills interfere with the personal trust they once had for her.
Tony Perkins was so soft spoken. It’s hard to believe it was the same actor who played in Psycho; that just shows what a great actor he was. I believe his wife was killed in one of the airplanes on 911.
Per tv.com, "she suffered from the effects of substance abuse. She was admitted to LeRoy Hospital in New York in January 1961, for a rehabilitation stay of four weeks."
I appreciate you not immediately spoiling the first line by only making it visible when you tap 'Show More'. Made it fun to kind of play along with the panel.
Dorothy's nervousness. Bless 'er. All that journalistic prowess, investigative tenacity and literary talent and yet....she is always SO self-conscious. There's something going on with her, noticed it from day one and I wish I knew what it was.
Dorothy was criticized for her appearance (she was a journalist, not a movie star). She also had issues going on in her personal life, more toward the end of her life in 1965 at age 52. So I'm sure it made her self-conscious.
She was at thus stage, partying hard with Johnnie Ray, and having an affair with him. She also suffered from severe anemia, and all this is starting to take its toll.
She suddenly lost her composure, her confidence, she looks uneasy, and I don't think it was just from her being on the other side of the stage. And she looks different. She has been losing her girl look for awhile now and she's rapidly transitioning to a middle aged woman. They don't explain her absence, so I wonder if she's undergoing therapy for a substance abuse problem, or some other deeply personal thing. I noticed starting in the '58 season, she began to giggle incessantly at times and appeared to be having a lot of fun. Other fans have commented that she seemed high at times but I never saw her lose a train of thought or look impaired. Still sharp as a tack, but I wonder if she's suffering at this point. I have such affection for her and wish I could've known her.
John P Craven was the Chief Scientist of the Polaris program, i got to be a student in his classes at SOEST at the University of Hawaii at Manoa in the 1990s. He has several books that may be of interest.
Commander Osborn eventually became a Rear Admiral (in charge of some Vietnam aspects). Died in 2004. Is pretty famous, given the medals and so on. Miss Mansukhani (who was originally Pakistani) shows up in some research papers in the early 60s, and then doesn't. I think she married a gent named Menon, moved to New Delhi, and died in 2007. (They had a few kids.)
juliansinger for those of us who served in Submarine Service, Admiral Osborn, was a historical figure. I served in the mid 70's and we learned about him in Sub School.
I've always Loved Both Dorothy Kilgallen & Arlene Francis! They were both so beautiful, and such CLASS ACTS!! Its a crying shame the way they KILLED DOROTHY KILGALLEN!!😢
Dorothy was not killed. The Manhattan DA, who reopened the investigation in 2019 and had every reason to prosecute a valid case, and took additional evidence you have not seen, declined to prosecute. Case closed.
@@travis303 it's not "pretentious" it's gracious and civilized. And it was professional to conduct yourself like that on national TV. There were only a few channels back then.
@@preppysocks209 oh yes just as Marilyn Monroe is case closed and JFK was killed by a single bullet, case closed. I have no idea who you are, but I have a feeling your name on here describes you to a T
Two things 1 I believe Debbie Reynolds peeked under her mask when she asked that last question. 2. Throughout the show Debbie appear to have been continuously caught off guard It just goes to show that being a panelist isn't easy, Arlene and Dorothy just make it look easy because they do their homework they research they practice, they listen to other panelists, and they actually take it seriously as they joke.
Poor John Daly! He did not realize he had been gifted a pair of "trick" boots from his good pal Bennett Cerf! The boots are designed to hold his pants above the top of the boot whenever he sits down and keep the pant leg hiked up whenever he stands up. The boots were sent by Mr. Cerf due to a comment Mr. Daly made to Cerf about his legs after Mr. Cerf commented about mystery guest, Jayne Mansfield's legs.
Not sure if anyone happened to notice but Dorothy gave Arlene, Tony and Martin a friendly hug while leaving yet left Debbie with only a lukewarm handshake. Hmmm
Always makes me feel good to watch this show! I remember how things like manners and morals were important back when I was a kid! World seemed much kinder to me in my reality anyway!
Once again, a guest panelist (Debbie Reynolds in this case) makes the silly assumption that if you're salaried, you can't be working for a non-profit organization, as if all NPO's use only volunteers to get the work done. I note that the U.S. government, any state, county or city government are not profit-making organizations that have salaried employees -- even the armed services pay officers and non-commissioned personnel, as well as civilian employees. Charitable organizations have to have people who run the organizations who are paid for their work. Among many other non-profit organizations that have salaried employees, I note that hospitals do and the vast majority of hospitals are are non-profit organizations.
@EL GRECO 777 Carrie was also a heroin addict....She was rebellous from the start...So sad. Todd turned out very well being mostly raised by his grandfather. Liz Taylor's children all turned out very well...no druggie and successful. You never know.
Tony Perkins was not at all creepy in real life, he was perfect gwntleman and suave and classy. His character Norman Bates seriusly overpowered his real nature.
He introduced Debbie out loud I said: oh no 😂 Where was Debbie's family nucleus at this point in time? She would've guessed herself 😂❤ Oh I would love to see and hear her sing!
Debbie Reynolds was so beautiful, gentle and sweet. ❤ and she seemed as out of place on the panel, as Dorothy seemed as the mystery guest. They needed to swap seats, so they could be more comfortable, lol.
It shows you have a measure of intelligence, grace, class, mixed with a bit of nostalgia. It also shows how crappy some of today's so-called entertainment( including TV) is
Sitting next to John Daly as the "surprise guest," Dorothy Killgallon was shining with beauty and a lustrous vibrancy! It was good to see her in this episode.
At least one person belittled the "very courageous and brave" effort by the very full studio audience that night in the aftermath of a blizzard to get to the studio. If it *wasn't* such an ordeal for them, would John Daly have gone to the trouble to mention it on air? *I highly doubt it.*
@@steventuck8615 Actually, the first mystery guest was a baseball player, but not Sal "the barber" Magli. It was actually Phil Rizzuto. I rewatched that episode a little while ago. The first show was, I believe, February 2, 1950. It was the offseason and after his round was over they asked him what job he was doing for the offseason. He was selling men's suits. Times have sure changed re: player compensation.
The production staff must have liked Anthony Perkins a lot -- he appeared as a mystery guest and as a panelist fairly regularly from 1957 - 1962. Sometimes he seemed tasked to ask one question after another, but . . . wow. Early luscious period.
+BlueWaltz42 his friends were very prescient. i know Anthony Perkins only from watching "psycho". now understand - i LOVED "Man Who Knew Too Much" "Vertigo" (all-time favorite) and "North by Northwest". but i absolutely HATED "psycho". in fact - i can't even THINK of Perkins without reliving the emotional trauma of that horrible experience. and i could NEVER understand what kind of SICK person could ever enjoy watching (what amounted to) a bloody awful SNUFF FILM ??? "psycho" was indeed a fitting prelude to the decade of dealey plaza charles manson vietnam and altamont.
He turns up on Password quite a few times too. I'm sure the appearance fees were welcome, but I also just get the impression he enjoyed being competitive in word games/quizzing!
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This show is just lovely. The manners, the clothes and the genuine happiness showed.
I loved every single part of WML from the introductions, the women's dresses/gowns, the guests/mystery guests, John Daly , the way they said goodnight. Great to revisit my childhood memories. I watched most of the over eight hundred episodes and have noted the many duplicate lines people had; example three different women who were all dog catchers.
Agreed. 🙂
I love the panel especially Dorothy and Arlene Frances...Arlene was beautiful
@@dorthedalivengood9107her smile is captivating
For those wondering about Mr Daly's admiring the audience's bravery for showing up; there had been a huge snowstorm in NYC that weekend.
TY!
Why does he say at 3:40 that they dont' have snow in NYC? somethings off here
@@greatstag Lol, no dark conspiracy theory needed. Mr Daly was just being ironic and in the process of making a joke about the unusually large snowstorm NY had that weekend. Unfortunately, there was some technical glitch and we can't hear the rest of his remark.
he makes reference @ 10:14 of the "near blizzard"
@@greatstag That was sarcasm
It makes me so happy to see how genuinely thrilled Arlene seems with Dorothy's return.
She did seem thrilled - They all appear to genuinely like each other!
downtonabbeyfreak - Yes, Arlene teared up. How wonderful the way they all cared about each other.
I miss Dorothy in every episode is she is not in.
@@bonnienadinenewman except when you were black. Or a woman.
I love how Martin looked to Arlene when they took their blindfolds off, like he knew she'd be happy/excited.
How amazing it is that we're able to watch this show nearly six decades later, living in a world with technology none of them could have even begun to imagine.
Oh, yes. Jet packs, nanobot surgeries, discovering of the space warp and as a result the quickies possible traveling from point a to point b, colonization of Mars, first expeditions to the other galaxies...
Nah, I'm pretty sure they could imagine a portable telephones with cameras. Jetsons premiered an year later.
They could probably have begun to imagine it in the 1960's.
@@OdaVenom You're a wet blanket
I thought that a few days ago : That John flipped the numbers on cardboards by hand.
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That was so cute that Dorothy repeated the same line, "what do you want me to do darling, give it away?" which is what Debbie Reynolds said when she was a mystery guest. That was adorable.
so she did give it away!
Merrida100 ~ ~ THANK YOU!!! I’m so glad you mentioned this. I don’t remember Debbie saying that although I do remember seeing the episode with her as the special guest.
@@larciabella Dorothy was the only newspaper reporter all the panelists that night knew who was likely to show up. (And Martin and Arlene also knew Dorothy's father Jim.) Martin recognized Dorothy's Debbie impression right away. :)
Was Debbie a little rude to Dorothy? She barely acknowledged her when she said goodnight to the panel.
@@dariawells7438 From what I heard, she was that way to a lot of folks. That's one reason she hardly ever was a panelist on these game shows.
was i the only one who got actually excited that Dorothy was the mystery guest? lol
No. Me too.
I soiled myself!.
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Yeah, I think it moved
I was glad to see she was the mystery guest.
i was very excited as well!!!!!!!
I am starting the door to door polling on that tomorrow. I figure we'll be finished ohhh..about the time my great great grandson turns 52..and then we'll see if you were the only one excited.
I just hope when me and my kids and great and great great grandkids come knocking folks can remember how their great great grandparents and their grandparents and parents felt.
My guess is yeah..probably..
they could take it or leave it.
Miss Dorothy Kilgallen truly made this episode!!! LOVE Her - RIP.
I can't put into words how much enjoyment I receive from viewing these shows. Thank you so much!
What a treat to have Dorothy as a guest. Shame Bennett couldn't be there too. Would have been perfect with Anthony, Arlene, Bennett, and Martin.
I was thinking Bennett probably would have guessed it right off.
It's no accident that Bennett was absent. By this point, Dorothy had alienated virtually the entire panel and John Daly as well. She had made the unfortunate decision to reveal personal confidences given to her by the panel in her syndicated column, and when she was called out on this behavior, her reply was that she was a journalist first and a friend second. Bennett in particular found her lack of ethics reprehensible, to the point that he could barely stand to be in the same room with her. Unlike nowadays, however, people in the public eye were much better at concealing their true feelings back then.
@@jasonhurd4379 interesting, can you give references for this?
@@jasonhurd4379 After the Kilgallen-Daly issue its likely they were a bit more guarded around Dorothy, but Bennett was just on holiday at the time of this episode, nothing more to it than that. (And it would be somewhat hypocritical for Bennett Cerf to question anyone else's ethics given about this time he was one of those involved in setting up the Famous Writers School swindle.)
@@jasonhurd4379 I don't believe you. You must have read that on yt or Google or Facebook. All of those sources lie like dogs about celebrities. It's sickening.
love, Love, LOVE,,, the reception the audience gave Dorothy!
the last person on earth i would have expected to wear cowboy boots, and they go so well with his bow tie-lol
Maybe he was a rocket man secretly.
Such a lovely heartwarming episode with Dorothy as the mystery guest!!60 long years ago!!I love this show!❤
Dorothy finds out on this episode just how hard it is to disguise one's voice.
her disguise was hilarious, though!!
Dorothy Kilgallen was very intelligent and a great journalist.
Jerry Diller We all know! :) She's on the panel nearly every week!!
If you call writing a nasty little gossip column great journalism.
@@SymphonyBrahms wasn’t gossip at all Dorothy wrote the truth !! Very Brave and courageous Lady .
@@lisasmith2245 Paraphrasing Mr. Truman, "I gave them the truth, and they thought it was gossip!"
@@SymphonyBrahms If you call getting a wrongfully convicted murderer free through extensive research "nasty gossip," then your opinion is worthless. Kilgallen was once called the most powerful woman in America for her journalistic prowess.
The poise and elegance of this show and it's cast is like no other.
Agreed.
Today poise and elegance is belittled. How low we have come.
It showed that Dorothy and Arlene were very close friends. Bennett, Dorothy Arlene and John were the core of the show for almost two decades.
I wish it was 20 years, but they only had 17 years (1950-67). I was sad beyond sad when I found out it was their last show on Sep. 3, 1967, after 3 wonderful years watching it at 10:30pm ET Sunday night. On the back side (hour) of the equally wonderful "Candid Camera" show.
According to Arlene's autobiography ... Dorothy and Arlene were not very close ... as both had their own lives, interests outside of What'sMyLine ... sure both adored each other. Book Title: "Arlene Francis: A Memoir"
I just love this show ! The camaraderie between Dorothy & Arlene was especially touching. They were all so refined, warm, witty & genuinely lovely people❤️
I love how Arlene says Dorothy's name.
The scarecrow in the Wizard of Oz says it like that too. I think there is an emphasis on the "O".
DAH-ruh-thee
Dorothy Kilgallen...Surely one of the most beautiful and intelligent women ever in the media world...I'd have loved to have met her and moreover conversed with her...she was SO special....
Totally agreed. I wish I could go back in time , meet and have a chat with her too. She was utterly amazing.
What a wonderful wish... me too, to meet her and have a conversation... And as She was beautiful i would still a kiss from her!
Totally agreed
@@rockhard2654 State your source.
Claptonfan don’t feed the trolls. It’s defamatory gossip.
It’s so sort of bittersweet when watch these shows and seeing how people used to generally treat one another with such dignity and kindness. It was just part of life. Not that everyone is rude today but we’ve certainly lost something as a society.
But but but everyone was RACIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 🤪
Television in 1961 was somewhat still in infancy. Isn't it remarkable that WML is obviously better entertainment that what is currently available . This is truly wonderful television.
I was only a very young boy back then , but i loved watching this show with my mother and older siblings. I agree with.
I love this show with it's wonderful classy panelists. Wish TV was still this fabulous, no vulgarity, no nudity, and very entertaining.
"No Vulgarity" the second guest, for the mere fact that she wasn't an unattractive person: was greeted by a room vulgar, cat-calling animals.
@@Jaydoggy531 Why is THAT "vulgar"?
Spark Swain - I agree. These days I only watch the news. That's dreadful enough.
Nudity? What TV has nudity? I've never seen it...unfortunately.
@Spark Swain. So do I.
My Dad introduced me to this wonderful show. It was one of the best around!
I've fallen in love with Arlene Francis... And, this show.
Take a number and get in line!
I love Dorothy Killgallin.
Robert, me too. She was an incredible mix of all kinds of people. I would have liked to see her in old age, sitting around the bridge table gossiping and having a good old time. What a remarkable woman.
She was good friends with Jazz icon Miles Davis. RIP Dorothy and Miles.
This is June 2019 l am enjoying watching the reruns. Of what is your line
Me too
@@bonitamcsweeney637 l believe she was killed she was looking into things. She knew facts
I'm an old guy, and was probably 7-8 years old when WML was on every Sunday. My bedtime was 7pm and sometimes my parents would let me stay up a half hour to watch this show. I loved panel including Arlene Francis and her husband Martin Gabel plus Debbie Reynolds who was one of my favorites many years ago when I lived in Las Vegas. I saw her and her daughter in a show which was announced as Debbies last before retirement. Carrie was there with her, with Tod and Carries daughter, Billie Lourde. It was about 2 years later when Carrie died on Sunday and Debbie followed her 48 hours later.
Dorothy's falsetto vocal disguise in the Mystery Guest segment was hilarious! I was also tickled by the cowboy boots John wore due to the snowstorm.
The courtesy, the respect, the style and grace of these panellists and guests is, unfortunately, no longer present on modern reality shows.
I've found that a few British panel shows still have a pleasant amount of civility to them
Dorothy was a true treasure! Beautiful, talented, personality, I mean this lady had it all! I’ve read so much about her! I truly believe the mystery around her death is legit! I know many talk of her being a heavy drinker, but I just find it hard to believe! Maybe one day the truth will come out!
When I was a kid in the 50's and 60's, I used to love the Kellogg's "Variety Pack", 10 small boxes of assorted cereals, each an individual serving. My brother and sister loved it too. Occasionally, my mom would indulge us by buying a Variety Pack, but very rarely -- it was a significantly more expensive way to buy cereal than getting a large box of a specific kind.
I believe, if I am not mistaken, they also had them in the 70's & 80's? I loved them too! :D
They still do have the Kellogg's Variety Pack, though the cereals in it may have changed a bit over the years.
+ToddSF 94109 I remember the first time my Mom bought the variety pack (at least in my lifetime), there were two packages of Apple Jacks and eight packages of whatever wasn't Apple Jacks.
There were nine kids in my family, and being the eighth, I had to really put up quite a fuss to get some of those Apple Jacks.
I did.
I had a similar experience in the 60s & 70s, and I used to love to cut along the dotted lines to turn the box into a bowl and that way eat the cereal right out of the package! I've only gotten the Variety Pack for my own kids when we've been on vacation, I think.
SaveThe TPC -- Yes! We kids wondered about the peculiar perforations on each package and my mom showed us how to cut through the perforations and the waxed paper liner underneath so that the waxed paper would function as a liquid-proof bowl to hold the milk. Great feature if you're on the road, such as in a motel room and you have some milk in your ice-chest or in-room fridge.
The whole Kilgallen family have been mystery guests on four separate shows. Her father, husband, children and now her.
This edition shows how good Bennet Serf and Dorothy are at posing the right questions. It cannot be easy, as Debbie Reynolds clearly showed.
Good point. Cerf was his surname.
To be fair to Debbie, the guest presented a topic few Americans knew anything about at that time -- missiles and rockets were still quite new to the world, as were submarines launching nuclear weapons. And I'm sure Debbie knew little about the military. Just forming pertinent questions would be hard. I think all the panel could excused for not getting that one.
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So Dorothy was a working Mom in the 1950s - how grand!!!!
When signing, Dorothy makes the same type of dot above her "i" in her surname as her father (when he was on WML) :)
Handwriting might be genetic, I have nearly the same writing as my dad.
As an aside, Dotty was her nickname, and you can hear John call her "Dot" at 22:47.
Can’t quit smiling. I Loved Dorothy so much!
I've never seen anyone so happy describing what happens when a deterrent weapon is launched!
Dorothy is so genteel, so graceful. Really enjoyed seeing her as the guest.
John is so formal and yet so self-effacing and humorous. Look at 10:59. Simply hysterical... and he knew it. But had he drawn attention to it, it wouldn't have come off nearly as well.
It would have been great to have Arlene as a Mystery Guest!
I would've loved to see that! Arlene's the only one of the original WML regulars who has never appeared as the Mystery Guest (Dorothy did it in this episode, Steve and Fred did it a few times each, John did it in the final episode, and Bennett did it in the syndicated version). As a professional actress, she probably could've fooled the panel the most!
Dorothy was a mystery guest?! WOOOW, never thought SHE'D ever be mystery guest!
She was sick for a while.
What great history and guests of every walk of life...especially Mystery Guests??? on this show!!!!😊especially the panel over the decades🙂
Debbie Reynolds was lovely.
I was very impressed with the perfect pronounciation of Mansukhani. For once, an Indian name not mispronounced by Americans.
Summer Tummer he used to meet the contestants before the show and asked how their names were pronounced in the most complicated cases at least.
It's not just Daly but even the panelists who got her name 90% right. Although the second syllable name in as A Her name is pronounced as "Munskhani" or perhaps "Monsukhani". The first three letters are pronounced in the same manner as the first three letters of "monkey". But the rest of her name was pronounced perfectly.
They spelled the name correctly of Mr. Singh and Miss Sita Arora from previous sessions. I watched those episodes.
The staff warns Mr. Daly needs to practice speaking the guest's name before the show starts, if and when necessary
Love Mr. Daly's quote re: the Polaris missle as a deterrent: "We don't want trouble with anybody but if they want trouble with us man we'll give them something they haven't figured on".
This is the real tribute to Dorothy she was the Mystery Guest.
The show's 11th anniversary, Johnny Olson (my FAVORITE of all the WML announcers) debuts, and Dorothy comes back in style. A great episode this was!
What is nice is that Arlene stood up for Dorothy and broke the WML tradition of women sitting down, when guests exit. I wonder what Arlene's thoughts are of Dorothy's death. Anyway, a great episode!
The women usually stood up for older and more distinguished guests.
I love how proud John is of his cowboy boots :)
I;d think he'd wear boots with a dogger heel (one that goes straight up from the floor) rather than a cowboy heel (the back of the heel is slanted)...a VERY un-New York like choice, regardless of the weather, but especially in the winter! ! !
Fabulous to see our Dorothy back. It's not the same without her, same goes for Bennett and Arlene. And I adore when Martin is on the panel. On a superficial note, Arlene is looking particularly fabulous. Wasn't digging the hair and makeup on the last few shows. And she's got it back together!
Oh I forgot to throw in my non-superficial comment! Looooove the look of relief and love coming from Arlene seeing Dorothy. Super treasure seeing their relationship on a personal level.
Lorna Badeo
Ever read or heard the story of WML? Dorothy wasn't that liked, for good reason. John in particular wasn't too fond of her. It got to a point where no one wanted to even communicate with her behind the scenes aside from professionally. She let her reporter skills interfere with the personal trust they once had for her.
Lorna Badeo
Oh. and she was constantly shitfaced on the air.
Retro Spectrum. Retro Stuff.
Now, do you feel better that you got that out of your system? Cheer up.
?? lol what's that mean? I wasn't expressing an opinion.
8:47 The Commander inadvertently turns to stone for ten seconds.
Kind of scary
Like a computer screen freezing up. I guess that's from getting used to being cooped up in a submarine for weeks at a time.
Arlene looks stunning.
Amazing lady
She's lovely
Normal for her
She could walk the red carpet these days, 2021.
R.I.P. Dorothy Kilgallen.
"That's because she's sitting next to you." THE LOOK ON JOHN'S FACE-
I caught that, too. He was insulted, but Arlene made a fair recovery.
Tony Perkins was so soft spoken. It’s hard to believe it was the same actor who played in Psycho; that just shows what a great actor he was.
I believe his wife was killed in one of the airplanes on 911.
Yes, she was. :(
Great fun to see Dorothy as the mystery guest. She doesn't look like she feels that well tho in this ep. Thanks for posting!
Per tv.com, "she suffered from the effects of substance abuse. She was admitted to LeRoy Hospital in New York in January 1961, for a rehabilitation stay of four weeks."
I appreciate you not immediately spoiling the first line by only making it visible when you tap 'Show More'. Made it fun to kind of play along with the panel.
Dorothy's nervousness. Bless 'er. All that journalistic prowess, investigative tenacity and literary talent and yet....she is always SO self-conscious. There's something going on with her, noticed it from day one and I wish I knew what it was.
Dorothy was criticized for her appearance (she was a journalist, not a movie star). She also had issues going on in her personal life, more toward the end of her life in 1965 at age 52. So I'm sure it made her self-conscious.
She was at thus stage, partying hard with Johnnie Ray, and having an affair with him. She also suffered from severe anemia, and all this is starting to take its toll.
She suddenly lost her composure, her confidence, she looks uneasy, and I don't think it was just from her being on the other side of the stage. And she looks different. She has been losing her girl look for awhile now and she's rapidly transitioning to a middle aged woman. They don't explain her absence, so I wonder if she's undergoing therapy for a substance abuse problem, or some other deeply personal thing. I noticed starting in the '58 season, she began to giggle incessantly at times and appeared to be having a lot of fun. Other fans have commented that she seemed high at times but I never saw her lose a train of thought or look impaired. Still sharp as a tack, but I wonder if she's suffering at this point. I have such affection for her and wish I could've known her.
Such a pleasure to watch this show.
John P Craven was the Chief Scientist of the Polaris program, i got to be a student in his classes at SOEST at the University of Hawaii at Manoa in the 1990s. He has several books that may be of interest.
There was Polaris, Posiden, Trident, Trident II
Commander Osborn eventually became a Rear Admiral (in charge of some Vietnam aspects). Died in 2004. Is pretty famous, given the medals and so on.
Miss Mansukhani (who was originally Pakistani) shows up in some research papers in the early 60s, and then doesn't. I think she married a gent named Menon, moved to New Delhi, and died in 2007. (They had a few kids.)
juliansinger for those of us who served in Submarine Service, Admiral Osborn, was a historical figure. I served in the mid 70's and we learned about him in Sub School.
Craig L. Young, wasn't the US Navy Submarine Program HQ's in Groton at the time? When asked, he said he was from Connecticut.
I noticed he didn't seem to have a NE accent and found out he was born in Stockton, Missouri.
I've always Loved Both Dorothy Kilgallen & Arlene Francis! They were both so beautiful, and such CLASS ACTS!! Its a crying shame the way they KILLED DOROTHY KILGALLEN!!😢
Dorothy was not killed. The Manhattan DA, who reopened the investigation in 2019 and had every reason to prosecute a valid case, and took additional evidence you have not seen, declined to prosecute. Case closed.
I always thought they all sounded pretentious. That pretentious way of talking drove me crazy
@@travis303 it's not "pretentious" it's gracious and civilized. And it was professional to conduct yourself like that on national TV. There were only a few channels back then.
@@preppysocks209 Ever wonder why he declined.
@@preppysocks209 oh yes just as Marilyn Monroe is case closed and JFK was killed by a single bullet, case closed.
I have no idea who you are, but I have a feeling your name on here describes you to a T
Watching in Australia 21st century amazing. Debbie Reynolds visited our country many times
She loved Australia so much she wanted to live there but no Mexican food there she said, that was a deal breaker for her 🤣
I think Debbie studied at the John Charles Daly School of Rambling.
Excellent point. Good decorum and discipline on the part of the audience.
Hey brad.
You sound like you majored in dingleberry licking.
Two things 1 I believe Debbie Reynolds peeked under her mask when she asked that last question.
2. Throughout the show Debbie appear to have been continuously caught off guard
It just goes to show that being a panelist isn't easy, Arlene and Dorothy just make it look easy because they do their homework they research they practice, they listen to other panelists, and they actually take it seriously as they joke.
what a great episode, how sweet dorothy being do nervous holding john's hand, and I love John's cowboy boots lol
Poor John Daly! He did not realize he had been gifted a pair of "trick" boots from his good pal Bennett Cerf! The boots are designed to hold his pants above the top of the boot whenever he sits down and keep the pant leg hiked up whenever he stands up. The boots were sent by Mr. Cerf due to a comment Mr. Daly made to Cerf about his legs after Mr. Cerf commented about mystery guest, Jayne Mansfield's legs.
Love how the first contestant nodded while giving a "no"
John Charles Daly's description of a submarine missile launch is like something straight out of Dr. Strangelove.
Yeah, the Russians never intend ill toward anyone, right?
Great show!
Not sure if anyone happened to notice but Dorothy gave Arlene, Tony and Martin a friendly hug while leaving yet left Debbie with only a lukewarm handshake. Hmmm
+GeorgiaBound Maybe because she had familiarity with the three, but not with Debbie Reynolds... I'd warmly hug and give a kiss to someone I know, too.
I did notice but thought it was simply because she didn't know her as well.
Very true! I just thought it seemed a little strange but you are right. It could have been just like you said.
I agree!
Perhaps she shook her hand because she didn't stand up like the others did.
These shows charm and comfort me in so many ways
Arlene was só happy to see Dorothy,
Always makes me feel good to watch this show! I remember how things like manners and morals were important back when I was a kid! World seemed much kinder to me in my reality anyway!
Once again, a guest panelist (Debbie Reynolds in this case) makes the silly assumption that if you're salaried, you can't be working for a non-profit organization, as if all NPO's use only volunteers to get the work done. I note that the U.S. government, any state, county or city government are not profit-making organizations that have salaried employees -- even the armed services pay officers and non-commissioned personnel, as well as civilian employees. Charitable organizations have to have people who run the organizations who are paid for their work. Among many other non-profit organizations that have salaried employees, I note that hospitals do and the vast majority of hospitals are are non-profit organizations.
Damn, Carrie Fisher's mom was beautiful, maybe even more so than Carrie.
@EL GRECO 777 Carrie was also a heroin addict....She was rebellous from the start...So sad. Todd turned out very well being mostly raised by his grandfather. Liz Taylor's children all turned out very well...no druggie and successful. You never know.
@EL GRECO 777 Knew her personally, did you? You have no idea what kind of life Carrie had or the details of her family relationships.
??Maybe. Debbie was very pretty. Carrie looked nothing like her!
She was so much prettier than her daughter.
Debbie Reynolds could do everything, comedy, sing, dance, act.......
Except be a good panelist. She was horrible
She was cute!!! and thus I forgive her❤❤❤❤❤
@@georges6182I’d rather look at Reynolds any day😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Bennett and Dorothy make this game look soooo easy!!
Debbie Reynolds and Anthony Perkins! 'Tony' didn't even seem creepy!
Lorena Rodgers All I can think of, while watching him is him saying, "Kill her, mother?" (That line unnerved me, while watching Psycho.)
Lorena Rodgers - no he was a real gentleman, but no one wanted to use the studio showers after the show!
Tony Perkins was not at all creepy in real life, he was perfect gwntleman and suave and classy. His character Norman Bates seriusly overpowered his real nature.
John mentioned Prrsident Kennedy and my heart broke. Oh to have a real president.
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He introduced Debbie out loud I said: oh no 😂
Where was Debbie's family nucleus at this point in time?
She would've guessed herself 😂❤
Oh I would love to see and hear her sing!
Omg! Tony Perkins was so cute!
Dorothy Kilgallen is such a cute little muffin 😍 .... R.I.P. Dorothy 🌟🙏
I can't imagine modern crowds not shouting mystery names
I hope the Navy Commander is still with us he's probably 92 +
Debbie Reynolds was so beautiful, gentle and sweet. ❤ and she seemed as out of place on the panel, as Dorothy seemed as the mystery guest. They needed to swap seats, so they could be more comfortable, lol.
Debbie Reynolds was a great lady.
Yes, I loved Debbie Reynolds but she awful as a panelist, charming and beautiful as she was.
Is it bad I’m binge watching these?
manslayer1972 I know it’s hard not to.....
manslayer1972 - Then it's bad for me to binge watch them too. Have you noticed that they called grown women girls? We've made a little progress.
i have been too, this was quality
Technology makes it possible, so it can't be bad.
It shows you have a measure of intelligence, grace, class, mixed with a bit of nostalgia. It also shows how crappy some of today's so-called entertainment( including TV) is
I’m amazed at how many people that watch these think that the introductions are not scripted by the show
It was great to see Dorothy as a mystery guest. Does anyone know if Arlene appeared as a mystery guest?
Nope, just a mystery panelist.
Yes, Mary Cleary, you are correct.these were happier, more mannerfull, more well dressed and happier times.
Sitting next to John Daly as the "surprise guest," Dorothy Killgallon was shining with beauty and a lustrous vibrancy! It was good to see her in this episode.
Dorothy Kilgallen, such a sweet woman, also Arlene Francis of the regular panel members.
Dedicated to Dorothy Kilgallen 1913-1965
Seems most people back then have huge respect for the military
At least one person belittled the "very courageous and brave" effort by the very full studio audience that night in the aftermath of a blizzard to get to the studio. If it *wasn't* such an ordeal for them, would John Daly have gone to the trouble to mention it on air? *I highly doubt it.*
It must have been quite a blizzard if a guest had to spend 5 hours shoveling out.
I never realized how clueless Debbie Reynolds’s was. YEESH! But she redeemed herself at the end.
Dorothy was a trouper, coming out of a hospital and making a mystery guest appearance. It's sad that her detox didn't hold.
+maynardsmoreland sadly her life ended 4 short years from this episode
Lots of celebs today have detox relapses. Look at LiLo. :(
The first episode of WML is on CZcams, I'm trying to remember who the mystery guest was that night. It was a very somber mode that evening.
dpm1982 the mystery guest on the first episode was sal maglie, the major league baseball player...
@@steventuck8615 Actually, the first mystery guest was a baseball player, but not Sal "the barber" Magli. It was actually Phil Rizzuto. I rewatched that episode a little while ago. The first show was, I believe, February 2, 1950. It was the offseason and after his round was over they asked him what job he was doing for the offseason. He was selling men's suits. Times have sure changed re: player compensation.
amazing to realize the US president at the time of this WML episode was President Kennnedy.
(I was born a year and 1/2 later)
JFK was President from 1/20/61 to 11/22/63.
The production staff must have liked Anthony Perkins a lot -- he appeared as a mystery guest and as a panelist fairly regularly from 1957 - 1962. Sometimes he seemed tasked to ask one question after another, but . . . wow. Early luscious period.
Poor Perkins shot himself in the foot when he took the role of Norman Bates. Friends warned him it would harm his career, and it definitely did!
Didn't know his friends ever warned him.
+BlueWaltz42
his friends were very prescient.
i know Anthony Perkins only from watching "psycho".
now understand - i LOVED "Man Who Knew Too Much" "Vertigo" (all-time favorite) and "North by Northwest".
but i absolutely HATED "psycho".
in fact - i can't even THINK of Perkins without reliving the emotional trauma of that horrible experience.
and i could NEVER understand what kind of SICK person could ever enjoy watching
(what amounted to) a bloody awful SNUFF FILM ???
"psycho" was indeed a fitting prelude to the decade of dealey plaza charles manson vietnam and altamont.
He turns up on Password quite a few times too. I'm sure the appearance fees were welcome, but I also just get the impression he enjoyed being competitive in word games/quizzing!
Quite possibly the most perfect and complete woman of her time. Murdered for finding the truth. Oh Dorothy
Debby Reynolds was breathtakingly beautiful.