The Missing Part Of Horsfall Street & The Mysterious Tunnel Running Underneath - Dingle,Liverpool -
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- čas přidán 25. 11. 2022
- been one I've wanted to do for a while now so I'm glad i finally got around to doing it
took me ages ha ha i thought id would only take me half hour ...but you find out other things that connects the whole thing
heres the link for mersey forge
www.gracesguide.co.uk/Mersey_...
thanks you to Renault Sefton Street for allowing me to film on their yard
pictures of the plants in the trough are from this website
www.engageliverpool.com/news/...
full credit given in the video for the use of them
stay tuned for more upcoming videos like this....maybe one in that tunnel?
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I used to work in Brunswick business park and I often looked at that old ramp whilst waiting to turn in and wondered what it was used for and now I know 😊 thank u for enlightening me xx
cheers stephanie ive always thought on doing a video on this it just seems forgotten about and neglected thought it needed a bit of love
thanks for watching glad you liked the vid much appreciated
Only just got to watch this…..superb tour and info as usual…..👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
thank you chris glad you liked it mate thanks for watching much appreciated
That drone footage is next level and the video was amazing great work
cheers glad you liked it that drone is a workhorse ha ha
watched this again and wow what a vid really informative and that drone footage at the start is amazing george
thanks again john just about got the drone up that naval base up the road was having none of it ha ha but managed it in the end lol cheers dude
Thanks for the fascinating video. I didnt realise the bridge from Horsefall Street ever existed. I used to live in Caryl Street from 1949 to 1956. Where those flats are now, there used to be depot where lorries powered by coal were based. It was fascinating for us kids seeing the red hot coals being raked out of the lorries' boilers at the end of the day. When the lorries spilt any pieces of coal as they came along Carly Street, the residents rushed out to get them for their fires.
I walked past that strange old tunnel entrance for over 13 years to and from work wondering where it went. I have a feeling it doesn't go very far as I once saw the light of the sun shine down it and it seemed to reveal a dead end, but I could be wrong. Maybe it was flue for one of the factories or the gas works above it.
yeh its sadly a dead end i keep meaning to do a vid on it
there is deffo a flue at the end as it connected the iron works above
a furnace tunnel im told
Back in the 80’s we used to play right next to the railway tracks where Brunswick station is now. Sends a shiver down my spine just thinking of it now.
same here i used to live on grafton street and this was our old.stomping ground back in the day
Very interesting video,have been fascinated by Liverpool's maritime and industrial history since childhood, since sailing back to Ireland from Liverpool from early 1970's onwards, always thought it was a big adventure! Shame the water front doesn't look as it did up to the 1980's ,the three graces now overshadowed by some truly architectural monstrosities in my humble opinion. Most of the cranes gone at Cammell Laird's shipyard, very sad.
Worked with alot of lads from Liverpool over the years, great characters they are.
Thanks for posting and have subscribed and shared.
Just watched this again amazing ! The memories it evokes of a childhood priceless. Strange you can live in a place for years and know so little about it. I suspect the tunnel I mentioned understand Horsfall St in line with Grafton St was access from the various industrial sites pre dating the houses.
thanks tony glad you liked the video used to hang around here growing up in th old cheshire lines mad i had no idea 35 years.later id be making a video on the place
When I was a kid we lived about a mile or so away on Dorrit st, and I used to ride my cousins bike all round here in those days, down Northumberland and back up Parliament st or along the dock road. So this brings back some memories of when I was only 8 or 9 in the very early sixties. It's a different world now and the poor kids these days just don't have the freedom to roam that we had back then. Thanks for the memories.😀
Very Interesting and Informative!
cheers david glad you liked it mate
Nice one lad another great video.
thanks joe glad you liked it mate cheers for watching
pt2 soon
Really looking forward to this one.
cheers joe hopefully its a good video ...there is a part 2 to this to
Your such a tease with these Liverpool finds,!! Haha👍👍 3 days and counting
ha ha it will be worth it i promise
Another very interesting video George
thanks very much mate glad you liked it
Ah mate noticed this before and mistook it for the dingle southern extension tunnel of the overhead railway then i had a double take and was very confused finally gonna get my answer in 3 days.
deffo not the dingle tunnel but looks very interesting indeed
i love that wall at brunswick station but that forge works wall is a very nice find, thank you.
Thanks George 👍
cheers glad you liked it
Great vid . Thanks. fascinating. bristol boy here. Lots to see here .
thanks for watching glad you enjoyed the video
I love these sort of videos… I’m a woolly but used to spend a lot of time mucking about in Liverpool in the 70s when I was a boy.
cheers chris i love making these kind of videos and as someone who used to knock about here as a child its brill to be doing this now
theres a lot more down here im currently filming so stay tuned and thanks for watching chris
@@g2emedia1977 cheers mate I will deffo be watching
cheers bud much appreciated
Looking forward to this one George. 😀
in the process of doing a part 2 to this cheers hope you like the vid when it goes live
I'm sure it will be boss!!!! As you say up here...😂😆
ha ha
15:23 that opening in the wall used to be a rather steep sloping footbridge which used to go to a blue brick set of stairs at the other side of the tracks. It was a scene in a 1960s film with Ringo Starr in it and there is a scene with him on the bridge… the bridge was removed at some point in the 70s but the staircase was still there until the early 80s I seem to remember ….
ahh cool cheers for the info chris
@@g2emedia1977 oh blimey sorry mate I got that wrong too, it was further up towards where the railway line goes into the tunnel …. Sorry chap I need to check all my facts out first hahah 😀😂
@@buffplums ha ha no worries matey most my info.is probably wrong
Hi George great drone footage, but I do remember the fish in the trough,but l never realised where the bridge was, l been to the location before and never knew this.
It would be interesting to see inside the tunnel by the railway line love to investigate that one,great video really enjoyed watching old forgotten old Liverpool,but someone was missing where's Eric today,thanks George 👍
hi martin cheers i do remember the plants but never realised someone put fish in it lol
the tunnel is in pt 2 to this video so stay tuned for that
i have loads more like this coming up over the next few weeks some never beem seen before
eric was on holiday when i filmed this he will be back out with me next week or week after
cheers again martin much appreciated
If you visit Rail Map online and turn on historic and industry layers, it shows a short branch line turning off the Mersey Docks and Harbour railway, crossing Sefton Street right where that tunnel is 👍There were probably unloading tunnels and storage below ground. Loving your videos BTW.
Hi George. There was a short section of railway that used to terminate right outside the tunnel entrance you filmed. The tunnels joined together the three different yards that formed the iron works (so says Tatler's 1939 History of Liverpool).
Excellence.!
You have an eye for architectural history.
thanks you much appreciated
Fascinating, thanks for this, there’s a lot of history around Brunswick / Dingle. I’m not sure it’s a tunnel beneath the flats - there are arches further along, built into the cliffs behind the Subway on Sefton Street. I would guess that these arches were built all along to keep the cliff stable? Shame there isn’t much photographic evidence.
Boss lad video went down there last year love the dingle
cheers mate i love it round this way
thanks for watching bud
@@g2emedia1977 Welcome lad
Really enjoyed the video. I lived in Horsfall St in the 60s. It was cobbled then which ties in with the area on Sefton St. In all the years there and climbing on the wall at the end of Horsfall St and playing on the ledge I never realised that there used to be a bridge. Took a drive in Liverpool South last weekend missed the turn for Park St and passed the steps and horse trough and noticed them for the first time. Now I know what they were for.
The footage in the new apartment complex showing the closed up archways these I believe are part of the support structure for the South side of Grafton St. In the corner and behind what looks like white electric substation there was another tunnel. This headed in the direction of the houses on Grafton St and probably pre dates the housed. It was collapsed and blocked about 15 foot under Horsfall St.
There are other tunnels under Grafton St from what was the Gasworks to Dysons on the Southside of the Road.
Again Great video made my day.
hi tony thanks for watching glad you liked the video
heard so many great memories of old from down here its mad how much stuff is left from the old days
that cobbled ramp just sits there lonely and getting no use whilst all around it has been taken away
that tunnel is very interesting indeed one i will be exoring pretty soon
thanks again mate
Those arches where the new flats are where open when I was a kid in the 1970s. Inside where the remains of old carts. They had what seemed like stone or concrete wheels. As a 6 year old I thought I was looking at something from the stone age!
i was awaiting the next G2E Media video and boom this sounds very interesting.....cant wait
stay tuned dude ha ha nice one
I remember the Iron Bridge that used to cross the Cheshire Lines, as kids we were always playing down there. Underneath used to to be The old Brunswick Railway Goods Depot, which closed completely in the early 70s but I am not sure of the exact year. When I first started on The Railway in Garston, our Area Manager was an ex Brunswick Driver.
happy days i think part of that iron bridge still remains if im not mistaken
i remember as a kid playing near the old cheshire lines seeing a couple of shunter engines down there load of stuff left and that was in the 80s
cheers for watching much appreciated
@@g2emedia1977 👍
According to railmaponline overlays the tunnel ran up to Central Station (High level) George, that one had me stumped too for a minute.
hi simon apparently it was a furnace tunnel for the forge that used to be above
Thanks for doing this was very interesting but can I ask if the Brunswick ramp was in use both ways? or cut off one side like it is today.
hi thanks for watching yes there was another side i only found that out after id done the video
Haha 14:15 … that woman sounded like the bird that used to do the into to the Scouse Times channel… “Scouse Times coz de don’t talk like us down der doo de doh larr”
ha ha ha
Never knew that was there and I used to work on Sefton Street in 1994 for Psygnosis (pre Sony). Possibly for access for the Mersey Forge, wonder if it was siding for trains to collect any deposit for/from the Forge? Doesn't appear on any old maps. Great vid!
wow if you have workes for psygnosis its an honour talking to you i was a massive fanboy of them back in the day and still am now and still playing hits on my amiga such ad the beast series and lemmings etc....so sad to see them go from down sefton street then to sony
i think the message i got last night confirms that it was a furnace tunnel for the forge above not sure if it has any futnaces left still as it is used to support the apartments above deffo deffo not on old rail maps
thanks for watching pleasure talking to you
@@g2emedia1977 Aye, 13 years at Psygnosis/Sony from 1994. Name on many credits! The original site is now the Post Office building on the corner by the roundabout. Couldn't find anything on old maps re the tunnel - nothing from Britain from Above too. Followed you - I run a load of groups on facey if you ever want to put a link up (The History of Liverpool)
thats brill mate id have loved to work there we used to go down when it was on sefton street and ask for a job ha ha
ive met a few people from there at shows mike clarke and tim wright...good times
that tunnel is deffo not connected to anything rail it must be what a few people have said a furnace tunnel for the forge above
thanks for the follow mate and the fbook link much appreciated
Hi George, have you been on the Britain from above site , there are some great aerial photos of this area , if you log on you can zoom right in. You can see the bridge on some early photos but it:'s gone on one from 1949.
hi martin sorry late reply
yes mate ive been on that and can confirm its not a rail tunnel it was for the forge above
great pic of the bridge though and the 2 ramps
thanks for watching and commenting
George, just been looking at one of Frank Carlyle's video's and he mentioned that staircase with toilets, he said those stairs took you up to one of the Liverpool overhead railway stations !.
i cant recall it ever being a rail station the LOR terminus was just down the road from this maybe he meant that
@@g2emedia1977 That could have been the second stop from the terminus
@merseydave1 yeh possibly ill have to check on old maps...cheers dave
If you watch Our Day Out by Willy Russell they go past this on some scenes when they are on the bus.
cool ill check that out nice one
@g2emedia1977 I have a photo of the bridge from an aerial point of view before the houses on Horsfall, Caryl and Grafton St were built. How can I send it to you?
hi mate my email address should be on my channel bio
if not its g2emedia@outlook.com
nice one
BRILLIANT VIDEO MATE...LOOKING AT THE DIRECTION OF THAT TUNNEL ENTRANCE..WAS IT POSSIBLY A DEDICATED RAIL LINE FOR THE FLOUR MILL?
THEY SEEM TO BE GEOGRAPHICALLY IN LINE...MAYBE?..IT WOULD SEEM USEFUL FOR TRANSPORTING INGREDIENTS AND FINISHED ITEMS QUICKLY..
hi bill thanks for watching mate glad you liked it
ive had so many messages about what the tunnel used to be but one stands out and its taken from the website on mersey forge
apparently it was for the forge and held many furnaces coal was dropped down apparently from other side of the forge possibly where the old wooded archways now are
thanks again mate
So very sad x
you deserve way more subs
thank you very much glad you liked the vid...cheers
He's got one more today!
@@greenhenryYT thank you mike much appreciated
was it a tuneled area in which explosive type materials were stored ? were the docks at that point known for a special type of load to be loaded/unloaded ? lots of chemicals produced in the widnes/runcorn/warrington area as you know.
I used to live in the kaber court flats back in 2010 to 2012, no idea there was a tunnel under there.
i remember back when it was getting built and they cut back the bushes at the tunnel entrance you could see them putting in all the metal supports for the apartment getting built above id forgot all about it up until now
Good on you..your like a dog with a bone....remind me on me years ago.
As you said....liverpool loved destroying its history......very very sad.....that stunning Cheshire Lines building.
cheers thanks for watching
This just popped up in my feed George. I am almost certain me and a mate had a mooch in this tunnel probably over 20 years ago. If it's not this station it's one either side on the same line. I will have to check Google maps. We walked off the end of the platform and straight in. It wasn't as overgrown and I am almost sure there are in fact 2 tunnels side by side. Maybe one is hidden by the trees.I may be mistaken as it was so long ago now. I remember they were not deep so maybe they were for machinery. I remember it had a few chutes in the roof and on the back wall to the right was a smaller tunnel going off on a curve to the right. There was also another high up on the back wall dead centre but we couldn't reach that and had no torches to go any further. I do wonder where the smaller tunnels inside went
sounds about right mate apparently this tunnel has chutes in from its days as a furnace tunnel from the iron works above
i keep meaning to do this but its quite hard with cctv all over the station...im very close like but now it got a fence at the end makes it harder
@@g2emedia1977 yes mate it's always been covered by CCTV but the fence wasn't there back when I had a look. I half expected to get nicked walking out but as with most CCTV they are only good after the fact. It's rare someone is manning them 24/7. That said trespass on railway property might not be a civil matter it's more serious I think. I would love to know where the 2 smaller openings went to inside. One at the 12 o'clock position and one at the 3 o'clock position. That building above definitely wasn't there when I was inside neither were the supports you can see in your video
Check out that link george about the lost mersey tunnel
interesting that mate cheers if only that was the same tunnel be boss that
I think the tunnel was used for the overhead railway G2E
found out what it was for it was a furnace tunnel for the old forge that used to be above
lets goo
Wonder if the name has anything to do with horses falling off the bridge?? By the way...I lived over a shop in Wavertree Road (opp. Chatsworth St) from 1953 to 1965. Enjoyed the video.
yeh i was thinking that to maybe a link to horses
thanks for watching glad you like the vid
Isnt that tunnel a continuation of the dangerous goods sheds from herculium Quay
i dont think it is john those sheds didnt have a connecting tunnel
22:14 hey these things seem familiar I am certain I saw a CZcams video of what these were before this flats were built…. I’m pretty certain … I’ll try and find the video and if I can I will post the link …
cool yes id love to see that cheers
@@g2emedia1977 hi mate… oh what a divvy am I… lol… I thought I had found the video and guess what it was one of yours… it was the one about the volatile storage … really sorry about that mate. I could have sworn there was an old video. Really great though mate, Liverpool has some amazing places… when I used to play in the Albert Dock years before they fixed it all up there were all sorts of places you could quite easily fall down, get injured or killed. There were like steps that used to take you down into the machinery that opened the big gate at the dock entrance into the Mersey… also if you fell into the mud in the dock it would suck you down… very dangerous
And them stairs your going up and down lead to the train station
Nice one George, where's Eric?
cheers brian thanks for watching eric has been on his hols he will be back next vid
How good are you with the drone, could you fly it into the tunnel and have a shuffty? 🤔😂
i was thinking just that mate id have to watch for trains coming from the left and right but reckon i could pilot that in there
@@g2emedia1977, be a good idea to try to do it from the flats side of the station and have Eric to help watch out for trains. Like you said in the video, best not go over the tracks in case the drone goes tech and lands on them...
yeh would deffo need a spotter i can turn gps off and sensors on the drone and reckon i could easy fly in and out my other option is abseil in from above lol
Is that just possibly an archway ?
the big one is a small tunnel but next to it is a small archway what that was for i havent a clue ha ha
Goes to Aigburth
When you didn't know if they were tunnels they probably were , there was a lot of tunnels coming down from edge hill 🤔
thats true probably from edge hill
@@g2emedia1977 there's about 12 to 15 tunnels coming out at different points all heading for docks
cool it was just mad why this isnt on any old maps its really interested me this one cheers
@@g2emedia1977 a lot of the old might not show because they were mod tunnels bringing equipment an ordnance for the wars , I used to work at Edge Hill
ahh cool cheers i knew there
may be some reason behind it great to know these things thanks you very much for the info
The tunnel is the wapping line that runs from edge hill to the goods yard towards the wapping dock.
thats by kings dock james this tunnel is or was a furnace tunnel for the forge above
Is it The Wapping Tunnel to Edge Hill first passenger station ?
nope checked
@@g2emedia1977 It's the old Cheshire lines railway route, north of the tunnel it ran to St James Station Parliament St and Central station but beforehand it also branched off to their goods station between Sefton St and Grafton st
@@seanmarston1730 i cant seem to find any trace of it on old maps
the goods yard is in the video to....well whats left of it that it
@@g2emedia1977 I found it on the Liverpool a to z of 1900 online, it's a brill site
happy days nice one
I've answered your question, rheres nothing down there it's just a dead end unfortunately..
awesome cheers
@@g2emedia1977 uploading video shortly!
@@Explorewithurbanx brill ill look out for it