@@Floridantea RE: "Nothing incredible. 1,000 things could go wrong when you have two eras in one boat." To adapt a modern ballistic missile system to a WWII era system is a non-trivial feat of engineering. Even more incredible to make it work like North Koreans have done it, on an extremely limited budget.
@@mrteacher1315 You don’t know what their “limited budget” so stop presuming. Their dictator decides the funds that get allocated to what project from their hidden bank accounts worldwide funded by illegal arms sales, drugs and illicit activities. There is nothing astounding mixing two eras. It’s dangerous and you don’t that old boat near your country as anything could go wrong and blow/sink. So stop calling it an engineering marvel, it ain’t. It’s outright dangerous, easily tracked and ill funded by a despot.
I was struck by the Romeo-Mod's (Sinpo-C) resemblance to the Golf (Project 629) boats of the 1960s Soviet Navy. But, Romeo boats have two propellers, while Golfs have three.
It's so similar, since the North Koreans bought atleast 2 Golf II (Project 629A) in 1993 or 1994, as scrap hulks. Its theorised that they were never scrapped, instead being used as training aids for engineers
A spanish Armada ship in those years caught a ship with hidden NK scuds. The spanish marines snipers managed to shoot the tackle blocks over the deck making it possible for the helicopter assault team to land. Quite a feat on the sea. (In Spain the Navy is the merchant navy and the Armada is the armed military force)
They are far, far more motivated than Russian troops by any measure. Given that, despite their technological problems, they are quite dangerous. The DPRK is a nation of "true believers".
Yeah but the same could be said about China, the media and so called defense commentators for years underestimated and dropped the ball on that big time, don't you think?
@@juliusraben3526 You are only seeing the news from the western perspective. Even if Russia was absolutely dominating and making it's way across Europe you would only hear the western media say how incompetent Russian military is and how great the EU union and NATO is.
Thanks for all your previous briefs,,your service, and a question,,is there a chance you will be doing an Albacore brief?? My dad worked at Portsmouth during WW2,,I got to actually see a sub launch from the Portsmouth side of the river 1942-1944.
It's not all that surprising, tbh. Most early SLBM's the Russians had were liquid fueled - a fact that contributed to not a few accidents and at least one loss. Consequently, the larger size required by having two fuel tanks forced a move into a space with more vertical room. Even with improvements over the years, Russian boomers have had very large "forests" in their hulls. That Delta-IV hull must generate a ton of flow noise as it goes over the missile compartment aft of the sail.
It seems probable to me that they could put lithium iron phosphate batteries in here and that would make up for removing the second battery compartment as LiFePo batteries have a higher energy density, a lower depth of discharge and improved Columbic efficiency meaning better charging and discharging. This chemistry is also becoming increasingly available from China and I’m sure there are other countries they could smuggle some from
I know, its like here take this money for your nuclear program so long as you only threaten your neighbors and dont supply our neighbors. Talk about short sighted Nimbyism.
Tracking yes. Eliminating? Why? I agree with John in part. Having a "threat" is great for budget. Letting the threat stay ignorant of their shortcomings while you shadow them in your Type 214s is even better.
Russia promised to defend Ukraine and never fight it as long as Ukraine gave up their nuclear weapons. This all transpired at the collapse of the Soviet Union. I write this December 13, 2021 and Russia has amassed 110,000+ troops along with every possible military bit of hardware they will need to invade Ukraine, or, as Russian media states, to do one of the biggest war games in that area in a long time. When you consider Russia sent Spetnaz (equivalent of Delta Force, Seals) advisors to Ukraine with all the man-deployable weapons they needed and a game plan how to overthrow the Ukraine government over the past several years, I believe the end result is a foregone conclusion, and all because Ukraine GAVE UP it's weapons. Literally. By seeking peace. That's what sucks about peace- it will NEVER work unless EVERYONE wants it, but everyone wants more....more money for better shelter and more stuff in it, more food for longer guaranteed survival (relatively speaking), lots of extra money to barter and buy any and everything needed to ensure survival (literally speaking in this instance), because the more likely you are to survive, the better choice of mate you will get. And the more comfortable your survival, the "higher grade" MILF, I mean partner, you will get. That's how we've survived for 50,000+ years!!!!!!!!!!! ( I think they might be further back than that in anthropology in regards to us, Homo Sapiens) You will NEVER modify the base, primal instincts in 99% of manking- to reproduce and reproduce with the best mate you can find, and to do that, you need resources, money, and security. Anyone SEEKING TO START A NUCLEAR PROGRAM AFTER 1998 OR SO, I WOULD HAVE TO AGREE WITH YOU 100%, ARE NOT THE KIND OF PEOPLE WHO YOU WANT HAVING THEM. They KNOW they're horrible people and the piper will knock and they want to irradiate the bastard if he ever tries to collect his dues. Anyone wanting to KEEP AN ALREADY ESTABLISHED, NON-EXPANDING NUCLEAR WEAPONS PROGRAM AFTER CIRCA 2000 IS COMPLETELY NORMAL FOR WANTING TO KEEP IT. And they SHOULD keep it because giving up nukes only makes YOU weak and the world MORE unbalanced. Stupid hippies protesting wanting ''Nukes off of this planet!" don't realize they're protesting in the wrong country. They should protest overseas to our adversarys. Because unless they give them up, the moment we do, we will be run over and our land replaced with conquerers....if we're not a radiated heap of memories. And with people like North Korea who, if we're being honest, is lying if their mouth is moving, will undoubtedly keep some spares stored behind a shed somewhere. A nuclear free world is a fucking fallacy that people need to get over because anyone with that mindset never lived long enough to pass on their genes, hence, the reason it HAS NEVER and WILL NEVER happen. (with all due respect Mr. Wazza, sir. Great insight man!)
the aft batteries removed means a lot of problems for the Ship. I do not know if this is something USSR did with their Hotel and Golf SSB and it is assumed to be the path followed by North Korea, or if it is confirmed as the adopted design. What i do know is that Romeo wasn't the SSK class with greater underwater range... something like 300miles at silent speed before having to recharge batterys? that's not great for modern standards and means a lot of indiscretion (aka a lot of diesel running time for a patrol) Sinpo-C has 1/2 battery, more underwater drag and more weight to move... i do not think surface speed has changed much (maybe 1 or 2 knots less, give or take) but underwater performance its shurely diminished (2knots slower? and at worst 1/3 the battery life of a Romeo). Maybe North Korea is using more sophisticated batterys than the originally designed for the Romeo, with greater charge at the same weight/volume, nevertheless an optimistic calc should give Sinpo only a 150 to 200 mile underwater range without recharging batterys. If i were a North Korean leader i would take the same route Kim dinasty took... it is wiser to improve the missiles than the Vessels. They won't get a much better submarine, but they can get way better missiles. Having the hability to silently move 100miles from the coast and Launch a 2 nuclear missile strike on Japan or South Korea it is a pretty serious negotiation asset. Also it would be wise to do this same conversion to 3 more Romeos, in order to have 4 SSB flotilla. Numbers are quality by itself (kind of) and that could still leave 15 Romeo to work as escort (allowing 1 Sinpo-C + 1/2 Romeo wolfpack everytime at sea) If i were a chief designer i would try to enlarge battery capacity even at the expense of torp reloads or any other expendable gear... but since Sinpo-c at the end are refurbished Romeos, i do not know if that its possible
That's because the German boats had more powerful electric motors than the diesels, which was about 5000hp for the motors and 4000hp for the engines. It's the same case for other early "fast underwater, slow on the surface" submarines, like the British R class of WWI, 1200hp on the motor and only a pitiful 480hp on the diesel, Late war Japanese I-200 class, 5000hp on the motor and about 2700hp on the diesel, their Ha 200 class had 1200hp on the motor and 400hp on the diesel. Now compare to the Project 633 (the Romeo class) which had 1700hp on the motors and 4000hp on the diesel. Now this can very well mean that they can charge their batteries much faster in comparison to those earlier boats (Imagine charging the batteries of a 1200hp electric motor with just a 400hp diesel generator, while that generator is also busy turning the screw to move you around on the surface).
Lots of Soviet block navies unofficial adopted the NATO nomenclature when speaking casually amongst each other (it was easier to say than "the Project 645 class").
@@plab0187 in the cases when they didn't have their own names. Like the Kilo, or Project 877, which was called the Paltus-class (тип - «Палтус»), or the Typhoon (941, Akula, not to be confused with 971, which NATO calls Akula)
What area would be the likely target of one of these missiles? What yield do they have? Doesn't Toyko have a comparable population to ALL of Canada? Yikes.
@@Arsenic71 if they can send power from an offshore wind farm to shore I am sure you could do it the other way around. Be fairly simple and said boat would make zero noise and literally be submerged for weeks if not months with no problems.
@@NorthForkFisherman Iraq got invaded on a false pretext of WMD weapon because Iraq started trading oil in euros and started realizing substantial profit over trading oil in US dollar. If Iraq really had nuclear weapon and ballistic missile capability like North Korea does today, they would not have being invaded, even if they were trading their own in euros.
@@mrteacher1315 Well, Iraq did have WMDs, just transferred to Assad by the time of the invasion. If you doubt that they had them, I do refer you to the Iranians who suffered greatly because of their effects. Further, the only reason they didn't have at least crude nuclear weapons is because of the Israeli attack. But this is really a neither here nor there issue. North Korea doesn't want to attack the South and vice versa, except on paper. The cultures are too divergent and really all the DPRK cares about is regime survival.
@@NorthForkFisherman 2nd invasion of Iraq was over new WMDs, not old ones. And US/NATO was helping Iraq with chemical weapons and intelligences during Iraq-Iran war. You might want to search for talks by Scott Ritter who was in Iraq numerous times in official UN capacity at the time. Scott Ritter stated numerous times that Iraq was compliant with US/UN/Western requirement for WMD but US/Israel/NATO wanted Iraq to appear not compliant so that Iraq could basically be wiped out. FWIW, Scott Ritter was the UN inspector.
@@mrteacher1315 Yes, and I don't dispute that, but that's really an apples and oranges issue here as I said. The DPRK's only real concern is regime survival.
@@PopeMetallicus remove aft torpedo room that will make some free space. also original is acid lead ones there are more powerful batteries around so its possible to get equal time. depends on how extensive were upgrades well... and if they want those upgrades anyway
@@jebise1126 That's certainly possible, but im fairly sure lead acid is the only type of battery North Korea can even make in large quantities. But as far as I know, the aft torpedo room isn't really used anymore, so that'd be a good idea
@@PopeMetallicus You say tiny but it's actually a good deal bigger than a lot of the diesel boats that a lot of navies are using nowadays. It's of greater length and beam than the likes of the Type 212, 209, 214 and the Scorpene that a LOT of navies still are building nowadays. Now the difference here is the construction, because the Romeo is a double hull boat, while the length is still rather great, the internal width of the pressure hull is much less than the beam would lead one to believe.
it looks like North Korea's adaptation of the Golf class - which I believe (?) avoided the battery problem by being longer - interested if any measurements of it have come through, it might be that the whole sub has been lengthened. I also struggle to believe that the boat is otherwise unmodified, they must have put better technologies in it, not least perhaps a better sonar or newer battery technology. My bet is that North Korea are much more technologically further ahead than they outwardly appear, but perhaps still lack skilled manpower to be able to develop an entire combat-capable large submarine - and so modify the design they already have access to.
I wonder if US thinks of the ways to intercept KN-26s right after the launch. Tracking Sinpo subs should not be a problem for a modern SSN and ballistic missiles are most vulnerable right after the launch. Just need an submarine-based interceptor missile. I would not be surprised that such a system is already in the works (if not operational).
I'd laugh my ass off at NK trying to launch one of those, only to have a sub-launched version of a THAAD or a modern version of a SPRINT ABM come tearing out of the water after it. Sidenote, the SPRINT is the most hilariously overkill interceptor system I've ever seen, with a mind-boggling 100 (!) G's of acceleration and a top speed of about Mach 4-5 in the lower atmosphere. The damn thing needed ablative plating to keep it from disintegrating from the insane amounts of heat that kind of performance generates.
There are probably multiple ROK Type 214s already training for a pre-emptive strike on this SSB with US oversight. If they ever launch you have to assume that it's going to make it to target. An unacceptable outcome in any scenario. If I were the ROK Navy, I'd be looking at a Hyundai (or equivalent) built version of the Skhval torpedo. Kill the boat before it gets to launch depth.
Modern air and surface ASW assets probably won't have trouble tracking it either--there are probably contingencies for quickly assembling a task force to hunt it down in the event of a crisis. A heavyweight ballistic missile in the very early boost phase shouldn't in theory be much harder of a target for surface-launch SAMs than a conventional aircraft that can accelerate in a vertical climb (i.e. F-15 if I remember correctly)... Right?
lie once shame on you……lie twice. Oops The US in a nutshell….you’d think someone who had some influence would wonder why we keep repeating mistakes….it’s almost like they know it’s a “mistake”.
I give ALL the glory to the Lord Jesus Christ Who is God and His Holy Ghost 🙌🏿✝️🧎🏾 for this channel. It helps me sleep. It is not boring at all, three opposite, but the absence of unnecessary noise makes it good for background sound.
The whole time they're working on missile technology is that cus of the soviet scientists they got in the 90s. And why would they keep the torpedo room. Just junk that and put batteries in there.
I just saw on 38north that NK has restarted its plutonium generating reactor. When taken with their resumption of missile testing, You can’t help but think it hasn’t taken Brandon long to lose 4 years worth of progress in maintaining peace.
What did kim do? He stopped testing nukes He stopped all activities at the reactors He stopped testing missiles He destroyed the ICBM test stand. Trump gave him nothing except an in person meeting. These activities all resumed when Biden took office. So what additional facts do you have to support your opinion he did what he wanted and walked all over trump? Because all I see in your comments is blind baseless partisan hatred.
@@rydplrs71 In the video you have a missile tested in 2019 - during Trump era - after meeting. But you say that they only resumed tests after Biden took office. That's just one example of something wrong with your analysis. Also if you recall - NK had a nuclear accident couple of years ago. That takes time to rebuild. But you jump to conclusions that everyone is just playing partisan games. Yet you assume that Trump is the only person to ever stop North Korea - he must be so fearsome, given that previous US administrations, Chinese Administrations, Israel and other countries were not able to do this. It's sad that people believe so much in their idols that they stop seeing reality.
I call NK a pocket superpower, and that's what they are. And that's what people dont understand about NK if they focus on select issues like human rights or famines. They ARE a second-world superpower, albeit a pocket one. even big, advanced and rich countries like germany, japan or britain arent superpowers, because they dont have the mindset and audacity of superpowers, nor are they really their own center culturally. NOR are they free to act due to USA. they're neutered through agreements, pragmatism and etc. even thought technologically and economically they outpreform NK by miles. NK isnt any of that. and that's what people need to understand as it's also important for NK mindset. and so far its strategies have achieved their objectives; to retain the ruling system and prevent US invasion.
Surely with your genius political knowledge you must be high in some government? No? You're just a moron on the Internet who aren't nearly as intelligent as they think they are? Who would of thought!
This is an incredible feat of engineering, adapting WWII era designed submarine to fire a modern ballistic missile.
Nothing incredible. 1,000 things could go wrong when you have two eras in one boat.
@@Floridantea thats y its incredible
@@Floridantea RE: "Nothing incredible. 1,000 things could go wrong when you have two eras in one boat."
To adapt a modern ballistic missile system to a WWII era system is a non-trivial feat of engineering. Even more incredible to make it work like North Koreans have done it, on an extremely limited budget.
@@mrteacher1315 You don’t know what their “limited budget” so stop presuming. Their dictator decides the funds that get allocated to what project from their hidden bank accounts worldwide funded by illegal arms sales, drugs and illicit activities. There is nothing astounding mixing two eras. It’s dangerous and you don’t that old boat near your country as anything could go wrong and blow/sink. So stop calling it an engineering marvel, it ain’t. It’s outright dangerous, easily tracked and ill funded by a despot.
Sowiets did the same in the 50s. They turned a type XXI copy into a SSBK
I was struck by the Romeo-Mod's (Sinpo-C) resemblance to the Golf (Project 629) boats of the 1960s Soviet Navy. But, Romeo boats have two propellers, while Golfs have three.
It's so similar, since the North Koreans bought atleast 2 Golf II (Project 629A) in 1993 or 1994, as scrap hulks. Its theorised that they were never scrapped, instead being used as training aids for engineers
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The golf class was a development of the foxtrot class, which explains the engineering differences.
why so many briefs this week? I'm a fan!
Reasons I guess
@@billdewahl7007 So many new subscribers and not all go back and see the old videos. So probably a good idea on his part.
@@cconnors Would be nice to have a note about it in the description tho, with so many of these out it is hard to know at a glance if it is new or not.
@@KS-xo3oh He's started streaming again but puts it all on another channel now.
He’s cleaning out some storage or he’s needing income?
A spanish Armada ship in those years caught a ship with hidden NK scuds. The spanish marines snipers managed to shoot the tackle blocks over the deck making it possible for the helicopter assault team to land. Quite a feat on the sea.
(In Spain the Navy is the merchant navy and the Armada is the armed military force)
Wow, that is interesting! :o
Source for further details?
Good lecture, thanks.
People really underestimate NK capabilities. The media ridiculing them really goes in their favour.
Yeah well... after seeing Russia fail in Ukraine im confident in my underestimation of NK :)
They are far, far more motivated than Russian troops by any measure. Given that, despite their technological problems, they are quite dangerous. The DPRK is a nation of "true believers".
Yeah but the same could be said about China, the media and so called defense commentators for years underestimated and dropped the ball on that big time, don't you think?
@@juliusraben3526 You are only seeing the news from the western perspective.
Even if Russia was absolutely dominating and making it's way across Europe you would only hear the western media say how incompetent Russian military is and how great the EU union and NATO is.
@@ThomasRonnberg so... that means that the russians are allmost back at the outskirts of Berlin ?
18:47 I totally forgot this was about a submarine by this point
If only they put this much effort into feeding their people. That’s what gets me the most with this.
The soviets didn’t call the Romeo “Romeo”. The NATO did.
Excellent - thank you.
I really appreciate the big picture history lesson and how one little thing can effect so many countries
Looking forward to the promised Taiwanese sub brief.
Good Morning, thanks for the sitrep.
Thanks for all your previous briefs,,your service, and a question,,is there a chance you will be doing an Albacore brief?? My dad worked at Portsmouth during WW2,,I got to actually see a sub launch from the Portsmouth side of the river 1942-1944.
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67 M long Submarine in Sinpo, North Korean dry dock, GE 40 01' 54" N, 128 12' 36" E. 22:08 Test Stand Barge 40 01' 33" N, 128 09' 58 " E
ICBM testing made Sinpo
Wok this way.
Very intresting brief, north korea tech is fascinating (and worring)
Not sure what worring is, but I wouldn't concern myself with North Korea if I were you.
Does it use screws turned by sailors for propulsion?
could these sinpos be used to transport scud or other ballistic missiles to customers, thus avoiding interception?
Interesting concept, launching missiles through the sail. That explains the sheer size of the sail. Great analysis, highly interesting. Thanks a lot!
It's not all that surprising, tbh. Most early SLBM's the Russians had were liquid fueled - a fact that contributed to not a few accidents and at least one loss. Consequently, the larger size required by having two fuel tanks forced a move into a space with more vertical room. Even with improvements over the years, Russian boomers have had very large "forests" in their hulls. That Delta-IV hull must generate a ton of flow noise as it goes over the missile compartment aft of the sail.
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It seems probable to me that they could put lithium iron phosphate batteries in here and that would make up for removing the second battery compartment as LiFePo batteries have a higher energy density, a lower depth of discharge and improved Columbic efficiency meaning better charging and discharging. This chemistry is also becoming increasingly available from China and I’m sure there are other countries they could smuggle some from
You can’t have Sinpo without sin.
Fear and loathing in Sinpo is my favourite Tarantino movie
It's a Simpo concept to understand, really.
I find it hilarious that they take Israeli cash and keep sending scuds
I know, its like here take this money for your nuclear program so long as you only threaten your neighbors and dont supply our neighbors. Talk about short sighted Nimbyism.
@@watcherzero5256 That’ll be the chosenites for ya. They want things in Your backyard, not Theirs.
@@agenericaccount3935 your backyard isn't as nice as our backyard but..😉
Seems like you're HAPPY that Israel is threatened by these scuds.
Why remove one battery well to make room for missiles? Why not just make the boat longer?
Lack of capacity to do it.
Not really worried. You probably could track those subs from Hawaii with the likelihood of how stealthy they are.
so its basically a desiel hotel class?
Can it reach Vladivostok?
Minute 15:30 "...a violation of the intent..." Oh, please!
Quite surprised that one world power or another hasn’t been quietly tracking these things and knocking them off on the sly.
Why? They'd be removing their own "boogyman".
Tracking yes. Eliminating? Why? I agree with John in part. Having a "threat" is great for budget. Letting the threat stay ignorant of their shortcomings while you shadow them in your Type 214s is even better.
They must sound like a washing machine full of nuts and bolts on a spin cycle under water.
Didn't the DPRK also buy several "Golf" (SSB) subs from Russia... Both for "parts" and for "study"?
Two are known. I don't recall which hulls specifically but there were 2 Golf II/Pr. 629As that went to the DPRK in 1993 or 94 for scrapping
Nice video - interesting the int on the Sinpo - a one and done and then made into a 3 and done. Side note - "GO ARMY" tomorrow. Cheers
GO NAVY! -US Marine here lol
@@PopeMetallicus Semper Fi - Canadian Army retired. Cheers
@@wtfbuddy1 🤘
Go "Hand Egg"... RAF...
4k in today money or in 1990s money?
Thanks Aaron, this was an excellent and terrifying video.
No-one who has ever sought nuclear weapons has been in a good frame of mind.
Russia promised to defend Ukraine and never fight it as long as Ukraine gave up their nuclear weapons. This all transpired at the collapse of the Soviet Union. I write this December 13, 2021 and Russia has amassed 110,000+ troops along with every possible military bit of hardware they will need to invade Ukraine, or, as Russian media states, to do one of the biggest war games in that area in a long time. When you consider Russia sent Spetnaz (equivalent of Delta Force, Seals) advisors to Ukraine with all the man-deployable weapons they needed and a game plan how to overthrow the Ukraine government over the past several years, I believe the end result is a foregone conclusion, and all because Ukraine GAVE UP it's weapons. Literally. By seeking peace. That's what sucks about peace- it will NEVER work unless EVERYONE wants it, but everyone wants more....more money for better shelter and more stuff in it, more food for longer guaranteed survival (relatively speaking), lots of extra money to barter and buy any and everything needed to ensure survival (literally speaking in this instance), because the more likely you are to survive, the better choice of mate you will get. And the more comfortable your survival, the "higher grade" MILF, I mean partner, you will get. That's how we've survived for 50,000+ years!!!!!!!!!!! ( I think they might be further back than that in anthropology in regards to us, Homo Sapiens) You will NEVER modify the base, primal instincts in 99% of manking- to reproduce and reproduce with the best mate you can find, and to do that, you need resources, money, and security.
Anyone SEEKING TO START A NUCLEAR PROGRAM AFTER 1998 OR SO, I WOULD HAVE TO AGREE WITH YOU 100%, ARE NOT THE KIND OF PEOPLE WHO YOU WANT HAVING THEM. They KNOW they're horrible people and the piper will knock and they want to irradiate the bastard if he ever tries to collect his dues.
Anyone wanting to KEEP AN ALREADY ESTABLISHED, NON-EXPANDING NUCLEAR WEAPONS PROGRAM AFTER CIRCA 2000 IS COMPLETELY NORMAL FOR WANTING TO KEEP IT. And they SHOULD keep it because giving up nukes only makes YOU weak and the world MORE unbalanced. Stupid hippies protesting wanting ''Nukes off of this planet!" don't realize they're protesting in the wrong country. They should protest overseas to our adversarys. Because unless they give them up, the moment we do, we will be run over and our land replaced with conquerers....if we're not a radiated heap of memories. And with people like North Korea who, if we're being honest, is lying if their mouth is moving, will undoubtedly keep some spares stored behind a shed somewhere. A nuclear free world is a fucking fallacy that people need to get over because anyone with that mindset never lived long enough to pass on their genes, hence, the reason it HAS NEVER and WILL NEVER happen.
(with all due respect Mr. Wazza, sir. Great insight man!)
the aft batteries removed means a lot of problems for the Ship.
I do not know if this is something USSR did with their Hotel and Golf SSB and it is assumed to be the path followed by North Korea, or if it is confirmed as the adopted design.
What i do know is that Romeo wasn't the SSK class with greater underwater range... something like 300miles at silent speed before having to recharge batterys? that's not great for modern standards and means a lot of indiscretion (aka a lot of diesel running time for a patrol)
Sinpo-C has 1/2 battery, more underwater drag and more weight to move... i do not think surface speed has changed much (maybe 1 or 2 knots less, give or take) but underwater performance its shurely diminished (2knots slower? and at worst 1/3 the battery life of a Romeo). Maybe North Korea is using more sophisticated batterys than the originally designed for the Romeo, with greater charge at the same weight/volume, nevertheless an optimistic calc should give Sinpo only a 150 to 200 mile underwater range without recharging batterys.
If i were a North Korean leader i would take the same route Kim dinasty took... it is wiser to improve the missiles than the Vessels. They won't get a much better submarine, but they can get way better missiles. Having the hability to silently move 100miles from the coast and Launch a 2 nuclear missile strike on Japan or South Korea it is a pretty serious negotiation asset. Also it would be wise to do this same conversion to 3 more Romeos, in order to have 4 SSB flotilla. Numbers are quality by itself (kind of) and that could still leave 15 Romeo to work as escort (allowing 1 Sinpo-C + 1/2 Romeo wolfpack everytime at sea)
If i were a chief designer i would try to enlarge battery capacity even at the expense of torp reloads or any other expendable gear... but since Sinpo-c at the end are refurbished Romeos, i do not know if that its possible
? werent the Type 21 german boats faster submerged?
That's because the German boats had more powerful electric motors than the diesels, which was about 5000hp for the motors and 4000hp for the engines. It's the same case for other early "fast underwater, slow on the surface" submarines, like the British R class of WWI, 1200hp on the motor and only a pitiful 480hp on the diesel, Late war Japanese I-200 class, 5000hp on the motor and about 2700hp on the diesel, their Ha 200 class had 1200hp on the motor and 400hp on the diesel.
Now compare to the Project 633 (the Romeo class) which had 1700hp on the motors and 4000hp on the diesel. Now this can very well mean that they can charge their batteries much faster in comparison to those earlier boats (Imagine charging the batteries of a 1200hp electric motor with just a 400hp diesel generator, while that generator is also busy turning the screw to move you around on the surface).
1:34 did they call them Romeo’s? I was under the impression only NATO called them that
I said aloud "No they didn't, YOU did!" :-)
Lots of Soviet block navies unofficial adopted the NATO nomenclature when speaking casually amongst each other (it was easier to say than "the Project 645 class").
@@plab0187 in the cases when they didn't have their own names. Like the Kilo, or Project 877, which was called the Paltus-class (тип - «Палтус»), or the Typhoon (941, Akula, not to be confused with 971, which NATO calls Akula)
Didn't the Chinese call the submarines they built Mings?
What area would be the likely target of one of these missiles? What yield do they have? Doesn't Toyko have a comparable population to ALL of Canada? Yikes.
Hi Sub, its the Turkducken of Submarines
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what i herd they want to build 2 more to sinpo
No more captain Jive Turkey? :(((
Dude I'm pretty sure you're
Jack Ryan
What are odds of the boats being able to run off shore power sent to a cradle offshore that they can use.
Maybe a very long extension cord? 😉😋
@@Arsenic71 if they can send power from an offshore wind farm to shore I am sure you could do it the other way around. Be fairly simple and said boat would make zero noise and literally be submerged for weeks if not months with no problems.
This is a good way to guarantee that North Korea won't get the "Iraq treatment."
Care to expand on that point?
@@NorthForkFisherman Iraq got invaded on a false pretext of WMD weapon because Iraq started trading oil in euros and started realizing substantial profit over trading oil in US dollar.
If Iraq really had nuclear weapon and ballistic missile capability like North Korea does today, they would not have being invaded, even if they were trading their own in euros.
@@mrteacher1315 Well, Iraq did have WMDs, just transferred to Assad by the time of the invasion. If you doubt that they had them, I do refer you to the Iranians who suffered greatly because of their effects. Further, the only reason they didn't have at least crude nuclear weapons is because of the Israeli attack.
But this is really a neither here nor there issue.
North Korea doesn't want to attack the South and vice versa, except on paper. The cultures are too divergent and really all the DPRK cares about is regime survival.
@@NorthForkFisherman 2nd invasion of Iraq was over new WMDs, not old ones.
And US/NATO was helping Iraq with chemical weapons and intelligences during Iraq-Iran war.
You might want to search for talks by Scott Ritter who was in Iraq numerous times in official UN capacity at the time.
Scott Ritter stated numerous times that Iraq was compliant with US/UN/Western requirement for WMD but US/Israel/NATO wanted Iraq to appear not compliant so that Iraq could basically be wiped out.
FWIW, Scott Ritter was the UN inspector.
@@mrteacher1315 Yes, and I don't dispute that, but that's really an apples and oranges issue here as I said. The DPRK's only real concern is regime survival.
28:36 why everyone assumes that they didnt put batteries somewhere else now?
Because the Romeo is TINY, and there wasn't much spare room for large batteries to start with
@@PopeMetallicus remove aft torpedo room that will make some free space. also original is acid lead ones there are more powerful batteries around so its possible to get equal time. depends on how extensive were upgrades well... and if they want those upgrades anyway
@@jebise1126 That's certainly possible, but im fairly sure lead acid is the only type of battery North Korea can even make in large quantities. But as far as I know, the aft torpedo room isn't really used anymore, so that'd be a good idea
@@PopeMetallicus You say tiny but it's actually a good deal bigger than a lot of the diesel boats that a lot of navies are using nowadays. It's of greater length and beam than the likes of the Type 212, 209, 214 and the Scorpene that a LOT of navies still are building nowadays. Now the difference here is the construction, because the Romeo is a double hull boat, while the length is still rather great, the internal width of the pressure hull is much less than the beam would lead one to believe.
@@ach3909 Yeah, modern diesel boats are tiny. They're like a third the size of real subs like the 688 or 774
it looks like North Korea's adaptation of the Golf class - which I believe (?) avoided the battery problem by being longer - interested if any measurements of it have come through, it might be that the whole sub has been lengthened.
I also struggle to believe that the boat is otherwise unmodified, they must have put better technologies in it, not least perhaps a better sonar or newer battery technology.
My bet is that North Korea are much more technologically further ahead than they outwardly appear, but perhaps still lack skilled manpower to be able to develop an entire combat-capable large submarine - and so modify the design they already have access to.
how many "scientists" must they have because we know that few "scientists" survive program failures...
Scary that KJU has these weapons. I think the biggest danger is what would he do during an attempted coup.
He knows his role, there's not going to be any coup.
I wonder if US thinks of the ways to intercept KN-26s right after the launch. Tracking Sinpo subs should not be a problem for a modern SSN and ballistic missiles are most vulnerable right after the launch. Just need an submarine-based interceptor missile. I would not be surprised that such a system is already in the works (if not operational).
I'd laugh my ass off at NK trying to launch one of those, only to have a sub-launched version of a THAAD or a modern version of a SPRINT ABM come tearing out of the water after it. Sidenote, the SPRINT is the most hilariously overkill interceptor system I've ever seen, with a mind-boggling 100 (!) G's of acceleration and a top speed of about Mach 4-5 in the lower atmosphere. The damn thing needed ablative plating to keep it from disintegrating from the insane amounts of heat that kind of performance generates.
There are probably multiple ROK Type 214s already training for a pre-emptive strike on this SSB with US oversight. If they ever launch you have to assume that it's going to make it to target. An unacceptable outcome in any scenario. If I were the ROK Navy, I'd be looking at a Hyundai (or equivalent) built version of the Skhval torpedo. Kill the boat before it gets to launch depth.
Modern air and surface ASW assets probably won't have trouble tracking it either--there are probably contingencies for quickly assembling a task force to hunt it down in the event of a crisis. A heavyweight ballistic missile in the very early boost phase shouldn't in theory be much harder of a target for surface-launch SAMs than a conventional aircraft that can accelerate in a vertical climb (i.e. F-15 if I remember correctly)... Right?
@@fluffly3606 Makes sense to me.
Where are they getting the computer chips? It might be interesting to find the corruption. Those chips are allll numbered.
I feel spoiled…..
It would be terrible if it mysteriously sank for unknown reasons the first time it goes to sea.
Strange that they named THEIR SLBMs after American Polaris systems...
I know they lying when they said that their sub is very quiet
Attack then
lie once shame on you……lie twice. Oops The US in a nutshell….you’d think someone who had some influence would wonder why we keep repeating mistakes….it’s almost like they know it’s a “mistake”.
Why the heck are you even talking to, Mr Schizo?
All part of the "intelligence community's" grand plan... Now hush up and send your sons to Ukraine.
Anyone hiring independent weapon designers hiring now?
If you had any actual skills in that department you would know wouldn't you?
@@alexwinfield9540 Not a fanboy. Graduated in aerospace, worked on F14, A6. Developed sims.
New word, crapidly
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DPRK also earns $billion hard currency from counterfeit goods, exporting laborers, and meth trafficking.
So the anarchocommunists' dream country...that should tell you who we're dealing with
The whole time they're working on missile technology is that cus of the soviet scientists they got in the 90s. And why would they keep the torpedo room. Just junk that and put batteries in there.
I just saw on 38north that NK has restarted its plutonium generating reactor.
When taken with their resumption of missile testing, You can’t help but think it hasn’t taken Brandon long to lose 4 years worth of progress in maintaining peace.
What progress?! Kim just played Trump and did what he wanted.
Yeah, keir is right. Kim just got what he wanted out of Trump with no intention of making any real concessions and Trump got played like a sucker.
What did kim do?
He stopped testing nukes
He stopped all activities at the reactors
He stopped testing missiles
He destroyed the ICBM test stand.
Trump gave him nothing except an in person meeting.
These activities all resumed when Biden took office.
So what additional facts do you have to support your opinion he did what he wanted and walked all over trump? Because all I see in your comments is blind baseless partisan hatred.
@@rydplrs71 In the video you have a missile tested in 2019 - during Trump era - after meeting. But you say that they only resumed tests after Biden took office. That's just one example of something wrong with your analysis. Also if you recall - NK had a nuclear accident couple of years ago. That takes time to rebuild.
But you jump to conclusions that everyone is just playing partisan games. Yet you assume that Trump is the only person to ever stop North Korea - he must be so fearsome, given that previous US administrations, Chinese Administrations, Israel and other countries were not able to do this. It's sad that people believe so much in their idols that they stop seeing reality.
@@jannegrey593 those are short range tests that can’t even cover all of South Korea. I should have been more clear, they stopped testing ICBM’s.
Soon they'll have caught up with 1960's Russian tech! Without the reactors. I wonder what the crew eats, cos there's next to no food in the country.
kimchi, obviously, those boats have a dedicated kimchi compartment
DPRK actually has better nutrition than many asian countries, including India. Famine was almost 30 years ago.
@@Rssika 30 years ago? are you in the 2040's? How's bitcoin doing?
@@VoltageLP I can't help you if you cant put together simple additions.
@@Rssika no worries, I manage quite well with that stuff 😂😂
What technology did China ever share with Russia? It was all one way.
stir fry?
Nothing. The relationship was pretty much parasitic, which is why Khruschev put sn end to it
I call NK a pocket superpower, and that's what they are. And that's what people dont understand about NK if they focus on select issues like human rights or famines. They ARE a second-world superpower, albeit a pocket one.
even big, advanced and rich countries like germany, japan or britain arent superpowers, because they dont have the mindset and audacity of superpowers, nor are they really their own center culturally. NOR are they free to act due to USA. they're neutered through agreements, pragmatism and etc. even thought technologically and economically they outpreform NK by miles.
NK isnt any of that. and that's what people need to understand as it's also important for NK mindset.
and so far its strategies have achieved their objectives; to retain the ruling system and prevent US invasion.
Surely with your genius political knowledge you must be high in some government? No? You're just a moron on the Internet who aren't nearly as intelligent as they think they are? Who would of thought!
NO HELP FROM CHINA OR RUSSIA?
DOES TYPING IN ALL CAPS MAKE YOU LESS OF A DUMBASS?
consistently lying, and lying when caught lying .. said nicely...a meme
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