Nick Saban: NFL failure, control freak ... GOAT
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- čas přidán 30. 12. 2022
- Somewhere around his sixth or seventh national title as a head coach, Nick Saban, the coach, became impossible to separate from Nick Saban, the idea, and those are two very different things: The sheer volume of uninterrupted success Saban has created in the volatile sport of college football has blinded both his critics and fans along the way. There's no arguing his record, but there are several misunderstandings about how he achieved it.
Saban created formula for program management he calls "The Process," and it's incredibly rigid and impossible to subvert. That explains his failures as an NFL head coach. But while "The Process" itself doesn't change, it creates an environment that can change and adapt to maintain success, a paradox even the smartest football people around have a hard time understanding.
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Always a great feeling with anything in life when you start to recognize names/events/ect in conversation and realize your research is paying off. Glad you’re enjoying!
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This is what sports is all about. Unifying people.
Ok
I’m surprised Kirby smart wasn’t mentioned, he was loyal to saban for years and is now his most successful former assistant hc
esp w georgia 13-0 rn
Bill O’Brien is about to be the single greatest Saban assistant after he wins 5 natties at Rice.
@@infuriatedsloth3335 JT daniels will get 5 more years of eligibility and become the Tom Brady of CFB
last team to win back to back was 2011-2012 Alabama. 2012 was heartbreaker for Georgia fans. no playoff meant losing the SEC to Bama allowed the winner to steamroll Notre Dame(one of the game announcers in the title game said the real national championship was played in Atlanta). the defensive coordinator for Bama was Kirby Smart and that is my favorite story line going into the national championship.
Imagine if, from that 90s UGA defensive backfield, Kirby and Muschamp had exactly the others' career. CFB would be hella entertaining
Never forget that Bamas first choice coach in 2006 was Rich Rodriguez. Probably the single biggest what if in the sports history
Really? That's the biggest what if in sports?
@elijah giter I would say in college football history yes that's probably accurate. Imagine if Saban had gone to Michigan instead of rich rod. Or any other scenario you can think of for a school in that time frame.
@@carlsnatchesbums Saban hates Michigan tho, going back to his days at MSU. Maybe even before that when he was an assistant at tOSU many years ago. Probably wasn’t his top destination lol.
@@SerenityNow9015very admirable grate to hate UM.
Go Blue!
That small area of West Virginia has like 12 NCAA titles.
Crazy right?
John McKay was from there.
And maybe fifty teeth, tops.
Bobby Bowden, Nick Saban, and Jimbo Fischer
This gotta be the secret, secret base is hiding
So satisfying to catch this so early
@@jessefehr7249 because you also did
@@jessefehr7249 why, wouldn't you, like to know, Jesse?
Ohhhhh you may have cracked the g code...."wise man you are, crack codes you will"-Yoda (maybe...prolly not... but maybe)
Thank you so much for the additional comma punctuation. It made your statement so much comprehensible. Your school teachers must be proud.
collapse: the san antonio spurs
untitled: henrik lundqvist
rewinder: 2014 world cup final
The collapse of the spurs is not really a collapse they just rebuilding after kawhi left
Accidental SB upload, it’s a Christmas miracle
Jalen Hurts was really pivotal in them advancing their offense beyond the power run and play action.
Blake simms would like a word
Course he got hurt and in came Tua
As a Bama fan who loves Jalen, he was more of a running back at Alabama than how he is today
@@salexweldon real fan. 100% Lane Kiffin and Blake Sims
You don't know anything boy
As a Tennessee fan who rushed the field after getting our first Winn over saben since 2001. I can say with certainty Nick Saben is a warlock that does in fact conjure wins from thin air
LOL. Tuberville and Spurrier had winning records against Saban. Phat man Phulmer kept TN from winning at least 2 more NCs during his 16 yrs.
@@mas5867 saban was where when tuberville and spurrier beat him? Not at bama
@Levi Schaffer That doesn't change the fact that Saban had a losing record to both of them.
LOL. So you're saying the greatest's record should depend on where he is at?
All 3 were in the SEC drawing from the same talent base, right? LOL. You Saban clo*ns and your attempts to parse Saban's record.
By the way, I have not confirmed this, but Saban had a losing record against 9 win teams while he was at LSU.
Greatest coach? Really?
After the second loss this season so many people said the Saban Alabama dynasty is over but if anyone with a sane mind knows it’s not over until he’s done coaching
All good things come to an end, my friend.
Same thing with Belichick and Brady--it’ll be too soon to call them cooked until they’ve retired (and then some)
Probably, but you know how drama kings and queens work. Making mountains of molehills and then slapping their thighs silly as people tear each other apart over non-issues. That's their entertainment.
That is my thought, too; Saban's dominance will end when he decides to retire from coaching for good. Even if Alabama had an off year this year, they will still return to the CFP and have an excellent chance to win the Natty again next season. Every time a program has an off year, people in media immediately jump to clickbait, saying the now boring roundabout headline, "Is this the end of such program's and or coach's dominance?" Only for such a program led by the said coach to come back next year and win it all, shutting up all the detractors again. Rome (Alabama) will fall when the Emperor (Saban) chooses to part from the such post. It is simple as that.
@@mstevens94 although I tend to agree this was supposed to be the revenge tour for Bama after last years “rebuilding” year. Their roster was 90% blue chip players this year, and he had the #1 recruiting class in 2020 just like this season. I don’t doubt Saban but the dudes 71 and at some point everybody declines….even the goat
3:06 - The idea of LSU ever having the worst facilities in the SEC is minding blowing today.
As someone who came of age during the 80s and 90s LSU to me was nothing more than an average program who turned out some good pros on occasion. Never thought of them and now like you said, it's hard to think of the best college football programs with some of the best players and best resources without mentioning LSU.
Happy New Years!! Thanks for the vids!!
Outstanding video! I like how the video didn’t focus on the college football games or specific plays like a sports center episode. Rather the video talks about controlling the dynamics and logistics that’s happening behind the scenes. Well done
i've mentioned this before, but a Prism or Untitled about Eric Lindros would be fascinating watching. he was a rare player who insisted he control his own fate wherever he played, and he was touted as a future hall of famer before he played his first nhl game. he could never play up to his potential as trap defense was in vogue during his prime years, and he suffered injuries including a very famous one from which he was never the same. he was elected to the hall of fame, but it was several years after his eligibility. he was a player who clashed with ownership, management, and fans. he was also way ahead of his time in many ways and never won a stanley cup.
Yeah. If he played in the Gretzky era or now, there's no telling what he would've done. He played in the absolute toughest era for offense and still put up great numbers for several years.
being a flyers fan is a double edged sword... we are the second winningest team and are always in the playoffs BUT WE HAVENT WON A CUP FOR LIKE 50 YEARS
I saw the A Football Life (AFL) episode on Saban and it was really good though I really like how this Prism episode provides more context for Saban, especially since the things highlighted here weren't all mentioned in the AFL episode. Really great work as always!
I think that the fact he brings in old coaches and they adhere to his process and they seem to legitimately improve themselves personally and publicly
It's finally here. Thank you.
I grew up with Mark Ingram and watching him win the heisman and watching Bama win the national title was historic!!
was just browsing the channel's playlists and found this, wonder if this has happened before
In a nick of a time! Happy 2023 to my second favorite sports channel!!!!
just turned off the KSU Bama game. its like 35-10 with 13 left in the 3rd 😭
KSU
Should’ve made it to the playoffs
They should be playing Georgia tonight
@@8.-.3 they lost to Tennessee 💀
@@heeheeheehaw1682 a Tennessee team who got absolutely destroyed by South Carolina 💀
The Miami Dolphins seem to have a decent relationship with Alabama and the Patriots, considering the fact both coaches are long-time friends
Definitely. People have short-term memories, and they forget the consensus after the 2021 Draft was Mac Jones landed in the best possible place with the Patriots.
Paul Bear Bryant loved Shula and considered him one of his only friends. This established decades of relationships
@@uncreative5766 I doubt Mac Jones is the next Tom Brady, but he's about the least of the Pats' offensive problems. They may have the worst receiving corps in the league.
@@jliller wouldn’t say worst. You could argue that the Bears or Texans (who are a bad team on all side of their team) have worse receiving core
@@uncreative5766 The Dolphins have a QB and receiver duo that are from Bama, current Tide HC Saban was the Dolphins HC 2005-2006, the Dolphins had a long-time Patriots assistant as their HC from 2019-2021, Mike Shula (the son of former Dolphins HC Don Shula was Bama's HC before Saban), and Miami even considered hiring a Saban/Belichick disciple before hiring McD (Brian Daboll), and the list goes on..
Love to see one of these on either Kwame Brown or Jeff George.😃😀
Rewinder: the miracle of Istanbul
Collapse: how the Montreal Canadiens failed to reach sniffing distance of lord Stanley for 28 years
Untitled: Ted Williams
Untitled: Marcel Dionne
Untitled: Don Nelson as a coach
Beef history: Billy Martin vs George Steinbrenner
Beef history: George Steinbrenner vs Dave Winfield
Rewinder: Kirby Puckett’s walk off in game 6 of the 91 World Series
Untitled: R9 in the champions league
Rewinder: 1999 champions league final
Collapse: how the Philadelphia 76ers fumbled the bag on a potential dynasty after dominating the 83 finals
Rewinder: the immaculate reception
Collapse: how the steel curtain Steelers of the 70s were melted down for spare parts
Damn, these are really good suggestions. Wouldn’t mind watching any of them.
If they don’t make the Istanbul one I might just try my hand at it lol
Another Collapse idea: How the early '90s Toronto Blue Jays imploded after winning back-to-back World Series championships
Crazy how early i am this time. Thanks for all the hard work you guys put into these videos we all appreciate it
Please do Reggie Miller untitled or deep rewind on his shot versus the bulls in 1998!
Or? How bout AND?😂😂 great suggestion
Thank you! Been asking it
As a lifelong Dolphins fan, I have a much different opinion of Nick Saban.
All these college football coaches are frauds compared to the pro coaches. When you can’t hand pick your team and bully kids it gets a lot more difficult to control, doesn’t it?
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Can't blame you.
Great content and good take
That Jerry Glanville name drop is something you’d find in a town of a dorky nature. And that’s pretty good.
I think the mistake people assume is the rigidity being in *what* rather than *how*
The what is always going to change in every field, it’s an inevitable result of the world changing. Anybody who can’t handle that won’t go far.
A system that takes that what and process it into an end result can(in some things, not in others) stay relatively rigid in *how* it creates input and output and succeed
It's almost been 10 years. Not a fan of either team involved but can we get the Mile High Miracle rewinder?
Liking this GOAT series so far!
I bet if Saban was given the right opportunity in the nfl today, he'd find success within a few years. For instance, a franchise with an owner who is willing to do whatever it takes to build a contending roster. Patriots, Broncos, Eagles, Cowboys, Steelers and I'm sure there's a few others but teams like that usually don't stay bad for long... needs for rebuilds are rare but when necessary don't take more than a couple years to bounce back. Saban was with the Dolphins just after the Marino era, they're just now gaining a winning identity after 25+ years. He didn't get a fair shot at the NFL
Prism is my new favorite series this is amazing
Great video, thank you! Super interesting
great video
Do a video on worst calls in college football
That Dolphins Doctor who failed Drew Brees medically should have a statue in Tuscaloosa! 👨⚕
15 years later and Miami fans still mad 😂
Almost forgot it's Saturday. Secret Base out here giving people the only Bama content they're gonna get on CFP New Years Eve.
AHAHAHAHA
Bama did in fact play on December 31st...
Bro they’ve won 7 nattys in less than 20 years…
I would really like to see Ray Lewis get a Prism video
As a Dolphins fan, I can't argue against Miami not signing Brees. I think people forget just how bad his shoulder injury was and what a huge question mark he was. Also, he was far from the HOF QB he was in New Orleans. And would he have had the same type of effectiveness that he had under Payton? I doubt it. Brees just recently admitted his shoulder was never the same and he didn't have the strength he had before the injury.
So do you think Saban uses that as a convenient excuse?
@@bordaz1 I do. I find it hard to believe Brees was the only one who could be successful. He realized he was in over his head and quit
A Prism video on George Karl will be great. A polarizing figure to media yet generally hated by players.
I've always wondered what the Dolphins would've done with Saban exhibiting more patience and adaptation to the NFL's restrictions on his autocratic process. Would've been a much more interesting AFC East for sure.
The stuck him with culpepper as qb he wanted brees but they said no gm took culpepper, who sucked brees went to new Orleans had great career. Saban knew he had no control.over roster and said bye.
Pro Sports are designed to hamper strong teams and boost weak teams, via the salary cap and the draft. The leagues want randomness, which makes good TV.
Gm stuck him with bad qb and in nfl qb is team.period end of story. Saban wanted drew brees they said no gave him dante culpepper. Look at best nfl teams all have great qb. In college nick is not limited by gm.or draft he can and does get many great players as only limit is who he can recruit. Nfl is lesd coach more qb, college is more coach less qb. Saban builds teams and wins titles, nfl is in another galaxy.
Saban did not have a Quarterback, simple as that.
Saban failed like most college football coaches in the nfl.
Big ass ego
Dolphins and Volunteers fan here and I hate the day he became Alabama coach like no other
Always read the fine print
People always point to the fact that Saban didn't get Drew Brees, but the issues started before that when the Dolphins drafted Ronnie Brown over Aaron Rodgers.
They'd all deny it, but I think a lot of NFL peoples believed in the "Jeff Tedford Curse" back then. Teams were looking at Aaron Rodgers and seeing Kyle Boller instead. Maybe i'm giving the Nicktator too much credit, but if he was confused by NFL scouting and the college draft, maybe it actually is a crapshoot!
A new secret base video and article makes a day better
Do a deep rewind on when Fury v Wilder 1
Collapse vid plz
a secret Godfrey upload, what a blessed day
Perfect timing
it dropped as we were watching the Sugar Bowl lol
@@markjackson6431 they smart 😂
Nick Saban: I'd never leave Miami for college football
Also Nick Saban: I wanted to go back to the college ranks, where I was obviously more comfortable and better-suited. That being the case, there was nothing I could do but leave.
It’s almost like something changed in between, like being vetoed on getting Drew Brees.
Definitely a bad moment for him but also the correct decision. Not sure there was a great way for him to handle that situation but he certainly didn't handle it well.
@@ikepigott nobody wanted to take a chance on an unproven QB with a injury.
New Orleans was desperate to rid themselves Aaron Brooks
Hey shout out to my school New Mexico State just got a bowl win
Well done
Rewinder of game 7 Vegas knights vs San Jose Sharks
@38Godfrey. Amazing stuff man, we need more college football secret base videos.
Being an Indiana Hoosiers fan, I didn't realize that Saban replaced DiNardo, who became Indiana head coach, but was terrible in his three years in Bloomington from 2002-04 (8-27 overall, never won more than three games in a season, and was 1-7 all three years in the Big Ten).
However, it does lead to one of the most random and curious sports statistics I've ever found - three of those eight wins were against top 25 programs - Wisconsin in 2002, and both Oregon and Minnesota in 2004 (and the Oregon win was away at Autzen)...the curious stat is that all three schools were ranked #23 in the country when the Hoosiers beat them.
He's good friends with Kirk Ferentz and they coach together in Cleveland
New Mexico State is in a pretty location - under the Organ Mountains
But what’s the prism? You spoke directly how he was plagued with losses against mobile quarterbacks… a trend he never truly bucked. Seems he’s understood perfectly. He plays his strengths.
11:31 there are 2 players who are both #47.
one is on offense and one is on defense. the starting running back this season was #1 and the starting corner was #1, but it doesn't matter because they aren't ever on the field at the same time
one is on offense and one is on defense. the starting running back this season was #1 and the starting corner was #1, but it doesn't matter because they aren't ever on the field at the same time
ever sense nick had kirby on with him he taught a lot for kirby and now kirby is one of the best coaches just like saban but saban will forever be the best
There's a few issues here. If you read the book by drew brees, he asked Saban if Saban believed in him as a starting quarterback, to where Saban responded that he deferred to the expertise of the team doctors. Brees said right then that he would be going to New Orleans. Saban was just as complicit in not taking Brees as the medical staff, so he couldnt use that as an excuse to leave. You also forgot to mention that the entire week leading up to Saban's hire in Alabama, he repeatedly told media "I'm not going to Alabama." The fins have a lot of problems, but this story, along with bad drafting and tyrannical leadership (that part is right in this video), put the team back years and it's suffered in mediocrity thanks to guys like Saban, Wannstedt, Jimmy Johnson, Huizenga, and now Ross.
Prism Episode on Tim Tebow WHEN????
The thing is - Nick Saban has so much (well deserved) credibility that any program he chose to head would be a national title contender in short order. Because just having him as the head coach would mean 5 star recruits who would normally never consider that school would want to go there. He would have his pick of the best of the best to serve as assistant coaches. So while he couldn't turn say UMass into a national champion in one year, he could certainly do it in a few years (once the talent pool has built up).
you obviously don't do research before you psycho blather.
MSU while Saban was there.
1) ranked in the top 10 just 2 times in 59 games.
2) never finished ranked
3) 0 bowl wins, he resigned before the last bowl
4) I forget.
@@mas5867 And at MSU he wasn't the well known, multiple natty winning coach that he is now. That's like saying, "Bill Belichick sucks because he never got the Browns past the divisional round."
@@psychorabbitt More blather.
1) if Saban is a great coach, he plants his flag and establishes something. WTF did he establish at MSU? LOL. Are you saying that the well needs to be primed before he arrives?
2) and based on his sorry performance at MSU, why would anybody buy into what he was shoveling when he arrived at LSU?
3) LOL. You care to take a guess at what his record was at LSU against 9 win teams?
Meaning, why the F AL bought into him is amazing. This is where you point to how well he has done there. Shula was on the cusp of turning Bama around. 88% of the 8 TN and Aub teams were ranked. Saban has had a walkover facing just 38% ranked teams against TN and Aub.
Fantastic Timing dropping this 😂
This video hurts my feelings.
OK, interesting... :)
But what made Donovan McNabb finish his career Untitled?
Roll tide!
All FACTS here!
“Is Saban the best? Yes, maybe no.”
Iykyk lmao
6 titles 3 heismans yes best ever 7 titles including his one at lsu
@@rt2255 “you don’t get the showwww”
This has nothing to do with FOOTBALL. But Secret Base, can you please do a video 📹 on Kerry Woods "Perfect Game"
honestly this topic isnt as obvious as one might think
his tenure in the nfl is a great example to look at for his coaching abilities. he's probably the greatest scout ever, his eye for talent is like no other
but to say he's the greatest coach? that's a bit more debatable
🤣🤣
8:36 Naw, but what’s up with that photographer??
bo wallace from ole miss wasn’t a mobile qb at all
are just ignoring the fact that theres 2 number 47s at 11:49 ???
hey thats my little brother that caught that helmet doink for ole miss lol
I don't remember him racking up Big ten titles in MSU.. but we just leave that part out of the story
One reason I don’t think Saban is the greatest coach ever. If he doesn’t have most of the top recruits, pay the players like he’s done in the past and everything going his way, he’s just an average coach. Hated the NFL because “they get one first round pick”? What a loser. That’s how it goes dumbass…
No but he was still growing as a coach and when he came aboard Michigan State was also on probation for a lot of violations that happened prior to his tenure. They hadn't had a winning season since 1990 and Saban was their defensive coordinator in 1987 when they won a Rose Bowl. He may not have won titles there but he also took over during a difficult time period and they got better under his tenure after several bad years and NCAA sanctions.
@@jamesmarshall6619 They had about the same record under Perles from 1992 to 1994 - 6-6, 5-6, 6-6. Then under Saban they went 6-5-1, 6-6, 7-5 6-6, and then finally in 99 they go 10-2. Then after he left they go 5-6, 7-5, 4-8. So if he really made MSU better, then why did he have the same record as the previous coach the first three years and then after 1 good year he leaves they go back to being trash. How did he really make the program better?
@@jca6682 because when you're under sanctions and they reduce scholarships it's not easy to maintain anything nor build anything yet they maintained and finally had a great final year despite a lack of commitment by the program at that time . The talent they had his last year was very good, he recruited well, they were in a much better place, it's not his fault they hired a terrible head coach in Bobby Williams. That's not a Saban problem, that's an MSU making a poor hire and wasting the talent that was on the team. Those teams had talent, they had multiple players get drafted in the following two years after Saban left from classes he recruited, Saban can't overcome the incompetence of another head coach. Which again speaks to his level of coaching, he took over a program hit by sanctions, they didn't crater, they saw an increase in talent, broke through, left the program in a better place with NFL talent on the roster (something like 9 or 10 guys got drafted in 2001 and 2002 from classes he recruited) during an era where the Big Ten was arguably the best conference at the time and the subsequent guy did a poor job.
I can't wait till Deion gets one of these
Ok how about this could he do the same thing at a Nebraska or Texas
Thank you for switching up the narration
Saban was very much to football what John Wooden was to basketball.
S/o everyone who watched the unlisted version a month ago
roll tide
Lmao love the New Mexico State name drop go aggies
7:25 - it should be noted the SEC - especially Saban - would greyshirt players allowing them to get extra players per class.
Nobody knew until they did
I wouldn't hate him if he'd been honest about the situation in Miami. Instead, he kept lying to the media and fans about his intent to stay.
This and the fact he used grey shirting to get extra recruits
How was he suppose to handle it? Asking the question was unfair, any coach would've answered it the same way.
The funny thing about college football is that being successful tends to lead to more success thanks to how recruiting works. All the top prospects will want to play for a team that gets attention and gives them the best chance at going pro, and when a team like Bama is pretty much a sure bet to make the CFP every year and attract national attention why would you go anywhere else?
Sure there's a few players who will want to be The Man, or those who don't think they'll get playing time on a team like Bama but most will just want to go to the biggest and best team
It's kinda unfair
Why cfb sucks, it's just one big sham
@@episodesglow vastly more entertaining than the NFL
However in the nfl, some teams have the luxury of keeping a tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers for 2 decades. But having a quarterback start for 3+ years is pretty rare in college
11:33 Two players wearing number 47. Uh-oh, I bet you one of them is that bald-headed guy who likes to wear disguises 😂
If you look at the Saban run vs. Dabo at Clemson. You see that Saban kept evolving. Making changes. All the while never compromising his process. That is what makes him the greatest ever. His program was fighting for a National Championship his last year (it took overtime to beat him), Clemson is now irrelevant.
How will Saban do in the NIL era? Will he retire before he is find out?
He's gonna dip before it really starts to whittle him down
Collapse: Royals
Untitled: Tony Parker
Rewind: Lucas Moura 90th minute winner versus Ajax
I didn't know that Belichek and Saban shared a common ancestry (Croatia)....they must breed good coaches over there
What a career GOAT
Sir Donald Bradman please sb
Pray that one day you guys can touch on the greatness of Sir Alex Ferguson
Control freak? You mean perfectionist