The Skeksis and urRu aren't evil and good. They are selfish and selfless. One is motivated by ego and the desire to control while the other is motivated by altruism and the desire to serve. This is why the Skeksis are emotional and the urRu are meditative, as well as why the Skeksis act whereas the urRu observe, and Jim Henson specifies this in interviews from the time of the film's release. The whole notion of good and evil is the result of dichotomous thinking and Jim was showing that dichotomies and dualities were harmful and lead to psychological, social, and spiritual imbalance. That is why everything in Thra is based on the number three. Aughra has three eyes, there are three suns, there are three Great Conjunctions, etc., and hence the proliferation of triunic symbolism.
Evil does not exist. The belief in evil is a misidentification resultant of defective perception and cognition just as the actions which are the subject of such misidentification are. Jim was explicit in the premise that the Skeksis and urRu are not evil and good. If they were, they could not have integrated into a higher being, which represents a harmonious co-existence of the individual and the collective, impulsion and compulsion, meditation and spontaneity. It's basic Yin-Yang which is why Henson described them as light and dark and as being both male and female.
Indeed. The Urskeks were split into extremes. Both extremes were unbalanced and therefore they started to perish over time. Good and evil are vague notions better described with the imbalanced use of aggression and exploitation or when beings actually have the empathy to help one another. Neither side displayed any empathy. The Skeksis were aggressive, but the urRu were passive. Both so extreme that the Skeksis harmed other beings and the urRu never helped to protect anyone. Both were content to just keep themselves safe. Only when they became urSkeks again they felt any urge to repair the damage they did on the world.
Social Darwinism is the belief in the elimination of progressive policies, inclusion and integration, and social programs that benefit the disadvantaged. This aversion to helping others is based on the misnomer that evolutionary traits favour the most strong and the most capable. Firstly, this is not actually how evolution functions (evolution favours diversification and those that are most able to adapt to their environment), and secondly, nothing I have said supports Social Darwinism. Contrary to that assertion, Social Darwinism is founded on conservatism, imperialism, free market capitalism, and the notion that exploitation is natural and ethical. As for the Holocaust, it has nothing to do with anything, so even bringing it up is just an attempt to derail the conversation via Godwin's Law (and this early in the discussion displays a real lack of perspective). The Skeksis consume Gelfling in order to sustain their physical selves and prolong their lives. That is not the same as trying to annihilate entire peoples based on a false notion (yet another dichotomy) of inferior/superior and an intolerance and hatred of their race, religion, or culture. People eat meat. They eat meat by choice. It isn't even essential to their survival. Yet the Skeksis believe that consuming essence will ensure their survival. Would you categorize all omnivores as being evil for the consumption of sentient life forms? Of course not. The Skeksis are out of balance, and they are addicted to the Crystal which has been corrupted, not unlike Gollum is to the One Ring, and this addiction warps their sense of ethics. That is not a justification for their actions, because their actions are destructive and unnecessary, but they are unable to see that because of their dependency upon the Crystal and upon essence.
@Level Nine Drow who are you to decide that good and evil is more correct than moral relativism? Do you have a degree in the field? Sounds like an armchair opinion to me
@Level Nine Drow also yeah, you can justify the holocaust. Doesn't mean it's a strong justification or that people will agree with you. Every action can be justified in some way.
I watched the Dark Crystal in the theater as a child and one thing that bothered me was after Jen heals the crystal and the Skeksis and urRu are rejoined to become the urSkeks they just split. No hey we're sorry about the gelfling genocide thing. I would like to see some future scenes in the series that takes place after the movie showing the gelfling weren't all wiped out and reclaim Thra. That being said I really enjoyed both the Dark Crystal movie and the Dark Crystal: Age of Resistance.
@@Johnlindsey289 Or deep in the Swamps of Sog or in the Caves of Grot. The Garthim may have simply said, "Oh, forget this! We're going home." When the Skeksis ask if they killed all the Gelfling, the Garthim just shrug and say, "Yeah, sure. All gone. Whatever."
That’s exactly what I was thinking! It could explore the Urskeks’ home world and show how SoSu led a group of Urskeks to commit a crime that caused their banishment to Thra.
Well, if not a movie, I hope in the Age of Resistance we get an episode or two where it flashes back to when the Urskeks first arrived on Thra and then leads up to the Great Devide.
Honestly I'd love just seeing more of this universe, or even just something in this same general vain, a space-fantasy universe full of odd completely alien beings with no human or human adjacent characters
Skeksil/UrSol is Darkheart. He was unstable from the start, very isolated compared to his sibling ideas. Raunip could see the darkness and homed in on Darkheart because he was easiest to pick on, then Gyr unintentionally invaded Darkhearts personal information and triggered him into a meltdown which caused the Chamberlain to benefit nobody but himself. His humming is a mental tick from his broken song, he cant sing like his Urru counterpart, who chants with purpose.
There have been quite a few ideas floating around. For years, it was accepted that Dark Heart was likely the Skeksis who immediately killed their Mystic counterpart/themselves. However, since the series, many have proposed other urSkeks, like the one who was the Chamberlain, SoSu, and especially MalVar and the Mariner/Swimmer. Given her actions in the novel, I think skekSa is an especially interesting possibility.
This is my first time hearing of the urSkek that actually caused the division! It's nice to get some clarity on that...for awhile I assumed it to be the Skeksis Hunter/Uru Archer because they are so different and isolated compared to the others in AoE
Ryan Spears all this information is in the comics, or graphic novels, titled Dark Crystal: Creation Myths. It’s a good read and the art is beautiful. You get to learn a lot more about thra and we even learn that Augra has a son. Check it out.
Yeah, the show really has several different interpretations going on. You have Aughra blaming the Skeksis, the Skeksis seemingly blaming themselves, and Heretic and Wanderer blaming the urSkeks.
Something I can tell you is the Skeksis and Mystics being the dark and light halves of one being was a direct analogy of Jim Henson. It was his idea to take the troll (Mystic) drawing from Brian Froud, and ask him to create an "evil" counterpart. Of course it represented *much* more than one individual, but Jim did have a very dark side. You can see the confliction (but always trying to do what's right) with his miniature avatar, Kermit. I was 10 years old when Jim died. It was, and still is the only celebrity I ever cried over.
@@DreamfastwithMe Of course. To take a phrase I like: "My heaven is your hell." As far as certain visuals, tone, and mood. I've always loved that sort of thing (going back to the early 80's when I was a tiny kid); it gives me comfort. So I never interpreted The Dark Crystal as creepy or scary. I'm an artist, and my go-to is creatures and beautiful scenes that most would find disturbing lol.
@@Chalor. Nope, sorry. I posted a montage of every time when there's mentioned death or doom in the childrens show Fraggles Rock. It's about 15 minutes with the scenes switching every second.
The thing that has befuddled me for the longest time, is why don't the Urskeks look like an amalgamation of the two halves? The Skeksis and Mystics share similar aspects, but the Urskeks are like spindly, (defying the laws of gravity) spaghetti haired Duros from Star Wars. It makes me wonder where the four armed aspect came from, the tail, or the long muzzle/beak.
Interesting question! Might see if i can craft a video from that idea. My guess is that they had to be reborni n Thra, so they needed a new skin that looked like they were new native beings.
@@DreamfastwithMe Ohhh..yes, that's a very good theory. I have to imagine there was method behind the madness with their look. They definitely don't look Froudian. But perhaps, the Skeksis and Mystics (appearance wise) were actual beings on Thra, long before the Gelfling's. The land recreated the two halves in their image.
I always thought it might have been more of a mental reflection of each of their dark and light halves and not their bodies persay. Kind of like how that one artist turned a bunch of mental disorders into various creatures.
Not read the comics but from interviews and the film my take was slightly different. The rest of the urSkeks had achieved enlightenment and transcended (gone post physical) the ones that journeyed to Thra however had failed to achieve this and they were seeking out the crystal to try and artificially go post physical by burning out their imperfections. At the end of the film after being reunited their combined forms experience as separate halves allowed them to achieve enlightenment and they were able to go post physical and rejoin their race.
Beautiful video man. As someone who's been a fan of the movie since I was 2 when it came out, I didn't know *all* this information. Never got the comics or books..but I love the expansion on the background.
@@DreamfastwithMe Have you thought about doing any videos on The Storyteller? I loved that so much. Those little demons playing cards was the scene that really stood out the most. Then just finding out a few years ago they had the Greek myths episodes that I didn't recall.
George Lucas shared may ideas with his good friend Jim Henson including the story of the Will's. They worked together on many projects including StarWars. It's possible that the story of the Dark Crystal and the urSkeks actually is the origin of the Wills or inspired by the story of the Will's - Good and evil split a dark side and the light. million years befor starwars even happen. the Origin of the force.
That would actually make sense tbh, Lucas described the Whills as literally the force itself, bringing balance might mean reuniting them like the Skeksis and urRu. I remember seeing some concept art of dark side spirits/entities haunting Luke in exile and manipulating the villain Talon in Lucas' version of the sequel trilogy, where the Whills would've been more prominent and the story more ethereal and metaphysical. Rey was even originally called Kira when they created her...
What confuses me is that if augra already had the observatory before the skeksis and Uru split. Then wouldn’t that mean there wasn’t a trade AFTERALL? Did she just want to look at the stars so much that she decided half brings that actually damaged the crystal in the first place could be trusted with it?
I think the skeksis convinced her that they could be trusted with the crystal and I'm not sure if she was even aware that they were the dark halves of the Urskeks.
@@mikelomez9313 I mean, it seems like the Skeksis were, at one time, not so bad. Even in the prequel series, they at least try and make an effort to be not terrible at first. Several of them even seem initially horrified by what the Scientist did to Mira, at least until they get her essense. But they all got steadily worse and worse and worse.
mike lomez .. she knows everything .. I think the Skeksis slowly became corrupted, but at first loved to show of their talents and knowledge. Augra became ‘addicted’ to watching the stars, in that way, she was not really there for Thra. Her ‘absense’ made the Skeksis the ones having access to the crystal. Originally coming through the 3 suns at the 1st conjunction, they were not creatures of thra, while Augra is Thra as a living creature. Their interaction with the crystal is different and the effect of the crystal on them is different. They do not know everything about Thra. So they make ‘mistakes’. And so Thra changes. Until .... dark energy (the energy of death, natural destruction) shows up because of the imbalance in their knowledge and starts ... corrupting the inbalance in order to end it. But also corrupting the Skeksis, causing them to slowly lose their immortality. And this causes them to .. start lying and the deceiving. They were not ‘bad’ until Augra became ‘absent minded’ ... or a dreamer
Were the Skeksis always ugly and decrepit or did they become like that over time? Do a video on how the Skeksis looked after the great division. I saw somewhere that they were not always ugly and scary looking.
You know this reminds me a great deal of Lord of the rings and the Maiar, the beings that became wizards and Balrogs. Unlike them however the Urskeks are literally split in two, and almost certainly reflect the dualistic nature of the Urskeks as in people. The Maiar however are not physical split from individuals but rather moral factions, that is more fluid, especially in the case of Saruman becoming evil, unlike the Uru who cannot be... They are both almost alien as well, that’s difference however being that the Maiar (at least wizards) were sent to guide, but the Urskeks were banished...
I love the message that the Dark Crystal story shows: there cannot be good/light without dark/evil, or vis versa. That’s why the UrRu and the Skeksis were still spiritually linked like as UrSkeks, although physically divided.
Great video, man! Upon watching the video in my adulthood, it makes sense that the UrSkeks are aliens from another world. The first ever thing I'd gotten of this franchise was an old picture book of the story when I was a child, and that it told me that Thra had three races, counting the UrSkeks after the Gelflings and Podlings. I now have the three stories featuring the aftermath after Jen and Kira healed the crystal. Now I'm watching the new series and I must say I'm astounded and glad they stuck with the original puppetry, only using CGI to enhance expression! I'll be glad to Dreamfast with you in your next video! ^^
I'm working for the series so far....for the third time.....I may be a little obsessed and thanks for the great take on the lore for something to keep me from going in for a fourth.
A bit of an eerie detail, Jim Henson's Urskeks might've inspired by JR Tolkien description of Sauron "the bringer of gifts" and Lucifer's name meaning "light bringer"
I fee like it was meant for the urskeks to split. That they had to go through the compete fragmentation of themselves in order to really heal. Who knows , these urskeks could be special beings who have a great calling for their souls to make this journey and learn more about “self” for the sake of their whole planet. At the end of TDC movie they are whole again but not just whole again, they are wiser and changed and soulfully expanded.
Night fighter Ventura I was looking for a channel just like this after I finished binging the show. I’m so happy a fan created this to explain more of the background.
Several points: So the heretic said the UrSkeks appeared 2,000 trine ago. The show and the movie specifies 1,000 trine. So were 1,000 trine blissful (so the castle should've been white like at the end of movie) and 1,000 trine dark? The UrSkeks were apparently already evil if they deceived Augra for the Crystal. The emperor said he began having nightmares (after experimenting with the darkening) of their previous lives of pain before rent asunder??? And didn't the Crystal experimentation cause the crack which caused the split? And if the healing shard was in the dual glaive, and Augra had it in the movie, why didn't she know which one it was vs being thrown in some random pot? Jen had to use his flute to find the magic Crystal. Ugh brain aches lol
1. Yes it's 1000 trine each 2. No the UrSkeks didn't deceive her, they were being helpful, the Skeksis just used it to their advantage. 3. Aughra likely had several crystals to test whether or not Jen was worthy of the crystal.
The urSkeks weren't really evil. They really were trying to be friendly with Aughra, but they also wanted to use the Crystal. They never meant to hurt anyone.
@@The_Jovian During the Heretic's puppet show he said the UrSkeks arrived 2,000 trine ago and his words were "we deceived Augra." I think it's episode 6. Gotta love the Henson's lol
@@Thecrazynecklacelady well you can justify that too. The heretic isn't reliable. The Skeksis and Uuru have very few memories of their old life. He could very well be telling incorrect information. Search up some dark crystal lore, it's fascinating
Rafael Martins I like how yoda and the mystic at the beginning of the movie die the same way. Blanket fall and all. Makes sense considering frank oz worked on both and empire was a year after dark crystal
Just imagine the moment they'll become whole again and have to remember all the dark things they've done with all the losts of all sides...I mean they are creatures made of energy, that what we would call higher beings, but because of their desire to return home and one of them (Dark heart) losts his hope in his anger, this whole tragedy start until the next f**** conjunction. How to deal with this? That's so sad. 😔😣
Sooooo am I going to be the only one to ask this..... The time line layed out here has the skeksis giving the aurary to ogra before there were any skeksis. As in before the grate discussion.... Furthermore this issue I've seen not just here but other places that try and tell the lore..... How could the skeksis have given the aurary to ogra if at that time there were no skeksis only urskeksis?
I think he just misspoke and meant to say UrSkeks instead of Skeksis. I noted it, also, but chalked it up to a minor error. Hm...in the video on Aughra, he states that it was the Scientist Skesis that constructed the observatory for Aughra...hm...yeah...if that's so, then he has the timeline mixed up in this video...
@@er1chawk i can understand a mis speaking here or there but like. this is a issue ive seen everywhere. like every sight i find with the timeline and every other person ive seen cover the topic. they always have information that contradict themselvs.
@@soubigo We even have this in the show. Augrah blames the Skeksis, the Skeksis blame themselves, while Heretic and Wanderer blame their urSkek selves. Personally, I woulf go with Heretic and Wanderer. Aughra and the Skeksis see the Skeksis are separate from the urSkeks, while Heretic and Wanderer realize that the actions of the urSkeks can't just be put on the Skeksis
@@evilempireproductions879 But again, what makes this hard is that the urSkeks, Mystics, and Skeksis are all really the same people. And part of the moral of the franchise is that you have to accept the good and the bad in yourself. So I think this dissonance is part of the point
I seriously hope that we see the Division of the UrSkeks onscreen. I know we see it in one or more of the graphic novels, but it still must be shown onscreen what actually happened when the UrSkeks were rent asunder.
For your information for me I'd say the urRu look like a combination between dog, sauropod and human while the Skeksis look like a combination between vulture, dragon and demon and for the urSkeks look like a combination between spirit, angels and sorceress.
the fact that they were actively trying to contact more from their home planet means if they ever did a sequel and scrap the comic book idea, THRA would be in enormous trouble, JUST 18 Skeks wiped out a few races imagine what a couple hundred would do.
One has to wonder, is the great division an isolated case, or a repeatable process? Is it a known and studied phenomenon by Urskek sages? Could it be done with their native Crystal? Can it happen to Gelflings? To beings like Aughra? Is one's soul always split along the good/evil axis, as opposed to, say, law/chaos? So many questions.
@Ben Thomason That's what I've wondered about too while reading the lore. Part of me also wonders if the way the split happened could technically be considered taboo or traumatizing, in a similar way to how survivors of extreme, tragic circumstances in history have had to cannibalize to survive. 🤨🧐🤔 Something I've wondered since the Skeksis were originally traumatized when they separated...
@@Scarshadow666 It seems like it was probably especially traumatic for the Skeksis because they experienced the full blunt of the emotional impact of the split.
I went through your list and did not see a video explaing the Arathim. Would you make one? Does not seem to be much on youtube if any at all explaing these beings.
@@minecastlord I mean if you put D&D + Wizardry + TDC, you got yourselves the very first Final Fantasy. It might be a coincidences or inspired by it. In any case the idea of "animism" themes itself actually pretty thick in Japanese cultures & faiths.
If we’re being honest, the original dark crystal movie was extremely confusing and absent in background information to the point of almost being bizarre. I never even realized it until Age of Resistance came out, where so much necessary information was exposited and explained. I mean seriously, they really didn’t explain a damn thing in that original movie except for bare minimum
80s was a tough time for that. Jim Henson had a whole world built in his head and it just couldn't fit in 90 mins. He tried his best. Now that his children and people who worked on the movie are working on a series there's much more room for lore and background
this movie is my childhood...Jim Henson and Bob Ross....both got a raw deal.....but i guess "God" or the gods,... Realized ho0w truly special they were.....and the angles were fans to"!!!!!!!.. 😇😈..... Artists,... Even pri- madonna ....can move mountain's.......this movie is "ART"...te-RRIFINGLY PERFECT....IT WAS MORE ABOUT ART...ON THE HUMAN CONDITION....NOW ITS ABOUT CGI VIDEO GAME SUPERHEROES,.... AND $$$!!!$!$$$$$@@@$$
I'm confused. In the comic is said that the observatory was built by the urkesks whilr in the Netflix series they say that it was built by the skeksis, so who is right? I hope is not a polt hole becusa that would be a shame D:
i wonder, if a new urskek arrived to thra as the crystal was cracked would they separate immediatly or remain the same and i also wonder where skeksis and urRu go when they die if they dont return to thra
My guesses that since the souls and spirits of skekSil and urSol are in the dream space from the comic, so I guess this is where they go when they died due to them being as living opposites.
Here are my guesses for the titles of the urSkeks. SoSu the Chief Unglm the Physician SilSol the Speaker ZokZah the High Priest TekTih the Savant NaNol the Manager OkAc the Archivist AyukAmaj the Gourmet EktUtt the Artisan ShodYod the Accountant GraGoh the Explorer MalVa the Warrior VarMa the Mediator LachSen the Evaluator LiLii the Humorist SaSan the Boater The only urSkek whose title is known is HakHom the Architect.
@@roberthintz4017 I think I got the perfect title for YiYa, but first let me introduce you to what would purpose of life for skekyi and urya if their not killed: Skekyi the astronomer: a female skeksis with a similar beak like skeksil and skekna, a skeksis who studies the planets and the stars, she is a close friend to skeksil because she admire his voice and sometimes listen his advice and a close friend to skektek to where she help him with his machinery, she holds a rival grudge against skekzok: astronomy vs astrology. Urya the star cartographer: a female urru where she spends the night looking at the stars and making her own rituals, she is a close friend to ursan for which she also likes to swim and a close friend to urgoh to which she understands his opinion for skeksis and urru unity but after urgoh was banished she felt bad for him. And so for this information about skekyi and urya I give you the title of the deceased urskek: YiYa the stargazer. What you think?
I have not yet seen a real answer to this question and I've wondered that myself. I think perhaps it created a resistance to change. The Urskeks were trying to 'repent', in a sense, by burning the darkness from within themselves. I think an analogy might be someone who was once an alcoholic suddenly missing his life as a party animal. This meant the nostalgic Urskek was not truly 'penitent' and couldn't be purged. In trying to hang onto the past, he couldn't let go of the part of himself that had gotten him banished in the first place.
@@orion24601 that would make sense, personally I always feel like remembering the nice parts of your past is good, it helps you hve strength when the now isnt quite as nice or good. What do you think about them being punished in the first place?
@@user-ho4tb5qe7v First, there's a difference between remembering the past and refusing to let go of it, which I think was the problem. Second, I can't speak for the punishment, as I've never understood exactly what they did that got them banished in the first place! It seems, however, they were unwilling to abide by the laws of their former world, and were cast out until they learned to abide by them, which I suppose was fair, but whether those laws were just, I have no idea.
I don't think it was just nostalgia. That urSkek was apparently angry at its situation, much more than the others. It was being made fun of by Aughra's son and it just wanted to go home. What's really sad is that the accepted theory is that Dark Heart was the Skeksis who essentially killed themselves by killing their Mystic counterpart.
I was turned off by the new movie because it didn't make any sense so I just stopped watching. Maybe if they had put some of this backstory in it would have actually been good.
The Skeksis built Aughra her observatory to trick her into leaving the crystal with them and generally get her out of the way. The urSkeks didn't build it. You even talk about this in your next video about Mother Aughra. Poorly written video.
The Skeksis and urRu aren't evil and good. They are selfish and selfless. One is motivated by ego and the desire to control while the other is motivated by altruism and the desire to serve. This is why the Skeksis are emotional and the urRu are meditative, as well as why the Skeksis act whereas the urRu observe, and Jim Henson specifies this in interviews from the time of the film's release. The whole notion of good and evil is the result of dichotomous thinking and Jim was showing that dichotomies and dualities were harmful and lead to psychological, social, and spiritual imbalance. That is why everything in Thra is based on the number three. Aughra has three eyes, there are three suns, there are three Great Conjunctions, etc., and hence the proliferation of triunic symbolism.
Evil does not exist. The belief in evil is a misidentification resultant of defective perception and cognition just as the actions which are the subject of such misidentification are. Jim was explicit in the premise that the Skeksis and urRu are not evil and good. If they were, they could not have integrated into a higher being, which represents a harmonious co-existence of the individual and the collective, impulsion and compulsion, meditation and spontaneity. It's basic Yin-Yang which is why Henson described them as light and dark and as being both male and female.
Indeed.
The Urskeks were split into extremes. Both extremes were unbalanced and therefore they started to perish over time.
Good and evil are vague notions better described with the imbalanced use of aggression and exploitation or when beings actually have the empathy to help one another.
Neither side displayed any empathy. The Skeksis were aggressive, but the urRu were passive. Both so extreme that the Skeksis harmed other beings and the urRu never helped to protect anyone. Both were content to just keep themselves safe.
Only when they became urSkeks again they felt any urge to repair the damage they did on the world.
Social Darwinism is the belief in the elimination of progressive policies, inclusion and integration, and social programs that benefit the disadvantaged. This aversion to helping others is based on the misnomer that evolutionary traits favour the most strong and the most capable. Firstly, this is not actually how evolution functions (evolution favours diversification and those that are most able to adapt to their environment), and secondly, nothing I have said supports Social Darwinism. Contrary to that assertion, Social Darwinism is founded on conservatism, imperialism, free market capitalism, and the notion that exploitation is natural and ethical.
As for the Holocaust, it has nothing to do with anything, so even bringing it up is just an attempt to derail the conversation via Godwin's Law (and this early in the discussion displays a real lack of perspective). The Skeksis consume Gelfling in order to sustain their physical selves and prolong their lives. That is not the same as trying to annihilate entire peoples based on a false notion (yet another dichotomy) of inferior/superior and an intolerance and hatred of their race, religion, or culture. People eat meat. They eat meat by choice. It isn't even essential to their survival. Yet the Skeksis believe that consuming essence will ensure their survival. Would you categorize all omnivores as being evil for the consumption of sentient life forms? Of course not. The Skeksis are out of balance, and they are addicted to the Crystal which has been corrupted, not unlike Gollum is to the One Ring, and this addiction warps their sense of ethics. That is not a justification for their actions, because their actions are destructive and unnecessary, but they are unable to see that because of their dependency upon the Crystal and upon essence.
@Level Nine Drow who are you to decide that good and evil is more correct than moral relativism? Do you have a degree in the field? Sounds like an armchair opinion to me
@Level Nine Drow also yeah, you can justify the holocaust. Doesn't mean it's a strong justification or that people will agree with you. Every action can be justified in some way.
I watched the Dark Crystal in the theater as a child and one thing that bothered me was after Jen heals the crystal and the Skeksis and urRu are rejoined to become the urSkeks they just split. No hey we're sorry about the gelfling genocide thing. I would like to see some future scenes in the series that takes place after the movie showing the gelfling weren't all wiped out and reclaim Thra. That being said I really enjoyed both the Dark Crystal movie and the Dark Crystal: Age of Resistance.
I mean, not sure what they're supposed to say, especially since the urSkek talking to them is the one who conducted the genocide.
I'm sure some gelflings hide on islands
@@Johnlindsey289 Or deep in the Swamps of Sog or in the Caves of Grot. The Garthim may have simply said, "Oh, forget this! We're going home." When the Skeksis ask if they killed all the Gelfling, the Garthim just shrug and say, "Yeah, sure. All gone. Whatever."
Think this would make a good prequel movie, really fills out the Dark Crystal world a bit more.
That’s exactly what I was thinking! It could explore the Urskeks’ home world and show how SoSu led a group of Urskeks to commit a crime that caused their banishment to Thra.
Well, if not a movie, I hope in the Age of Resistance we get an episode or two where it flashes back to when the Urskeks first arrived on Thra and then leads up to the Great Devide.
Yes, exactly. If they were to make a prequel series that took place during the time of the UrSkeks, they should call it “Age of Division.”
Honestly I'd love just seeing more of this universe, or even just something in this same general vain, a space-fantasy universe full of odd completely alien beings with no human or human adjacent characters
@@rdphoenix07 it was canceled
Skeksil/UrSol is Darkheart. He was unstable from the start, very isolated compared to his sibling ideas. Raunip could see the darkness and homed in on Darkheart because he was easiest to pick on, then Gyr unintentionally invaded Darkhearts personal information and triggered him into a meltdown which caused the Chamberlain to benefit nobody but himself. His humming is a mental tick from his broken song, he cant sing like his Urru counterpart, who chants with purpose.
There have been quite a few ideas floating around. For years, it was accepted that Dark Heart was likely the Skeksis who immediately killed their Mystic counterpart/themselves. However, since the series, many have proposed other urSkeks, like the one who was the Chamberlain, SoSu, and especially MalVar and the Mariner/Swimmer. Given her actions in the novel, I think skekSa is an especially interesting possibility.
This is my first time hearing of the urSkek that actually caused the division! It's nice to get some clarity on that...for awhile I assumed it to be the Skeksis Hunter/Uru Archer because they are so different and isolated compared to the others in AoE
Ryan Spears all this information is in the comics, or graphic novels, titled Dark Crystal: Creation Myths. It’s a good read and the art is beautiful. You get to learn a lot more about thra and we even learn that Augra has a son. Check it out.
Yeah, the show really has several different interpretations going on. You have Aughra blaming the Skeksis, the Skeksis seemingly blaming themselves, and Heretic and Wanderer blaming the urSkeks.
Its weird tho. Dude heard a song he remembered so much his evil side took over? Im confused
Something I can tell you is the Skeksis and Mystics being the dark and light halves of one being was a direct analogy of Jim Henson. It was his idea to take the troll (Mystic) drawing from Brian Froud, and ask him to create an "evil" counterpart.
Of course it represented *much* more than one individual, but Jim did have a very dark side. You can see the confliction (but always trying to do what's right) with his miniature avatar, Kermit. I was 10 years old when Jim died. It was, and still is the only celebrity I ever cried over.
Absolutely. But that dark side can be very beautiful, and thats what i love about all the dark children's fantasy.
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Of course. To take a phrase I like: "My heaven is your hell."
As far as certain visuals, tone, and mood. I've always loved that sort of thing (going back to the early 80's when I was a tiny kid); it gives me comfort. So I never interpreted The Dark Crystal as creepy or scary. I'm an artist, and my go-to is creatures and beautiful scenes that most would find disturbing lol.
Mark Curtis What you mean by that Jim had a dark side? That sounds somewhat ominous.
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@@Chalor. Nope, sorry. I posted a montage of every time when there's mentioned death or doom in the childrens show Fraggles Rock. It's about 15 minutes with the scenes switching every second.
The thing that has befuddled me for the longest time, is why don't the Urskeks look like an amalgamation of the two halves? The Skeksis and Mystics share similar aspects, but the Urskeks are like spindly, (defying the laws of gravity) spaghetti haired Duros from Star Wars. It makes me wonder where the four armed aspect came from, the tail, or the long muzzle/beak.
Interesting question! Might see if i can craft a video from that idea. My guess is that they had to be reborni n Thra, so they needed a new skin that looked like they were new native beings.
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Ohhh..yes, that's a very good theory. I have to imagine there was method behind the madness with their look. They definitely don't look Froudian. But perhaps, the Skeksis and Mystics (appearance wise) were actual beings on Thra, long before the Gelfling's. The land recreated the two halves in their image.
I always thought it might have been more of a mental reflection of each of their dark and light halves and not their bodies persay. Kind of like how that one artist turned a bunch of mental disorders into various creatures.
Maybe it depends on there environment.
Weirdly, they all have four arms, it's just that the Skeksis can't really use their smaller pair
Not read the comics but from interviews and the film my take was slightly different. The rest of the urSkeks had achieved enlightenment and transcended (gone post physical) the ones that journeyed to Thra however had failed to achieve this and they were seeking out the crystal to try and artificially go post physical by burning out their imperfections. At the end of the film after being reunited their combined forms experience as separate halves allowed them to achieve enlightenment and they were able to go post physical and rejoin their race.
Kinda like Jesus or no?
Beautiful video man. As someone who's been a fan of the movie since I was 2 when it came out, I didn't know *all* this information. Never got the comics or books..but I love the expansion on the background.
Thank you so much!
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Have you thought about doing any videos on The Storyteller? I loved that so much. Those little demons playing cards was the scene that really stood out the most. Then just finding out a few years ago they had the Greek myths episodes that I didn't recall.
@@Chalor.
What do you think of the TV show?
George Lucas shared may ideas with his good friend Jim Henson including the story of the Will's. They worked together on many projects including StarWars. It's possible that the story of the Dark Crystal and the urSkeks actually is the origin of the Wills or inspired by the story of the Will's - Good and evil split a dark side and the light. million years befor starwars even happen. the Origin of the force.
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YOUR MIND
What if LOTR is connected to?
That would actually make sense tbh, Lucas described the Whills as literally the force itself, bringing balance might mean reuniting them like the Skeksis and urRu. I remember seeing some concept art of dark side spirits/entities haunting Luke in exile and manipulating the villain Talon in Lucas' version of the sequel trilogy, where the Whills would've been more prominent and the story more ethereal and metaphysical. Rey was even originally called Kira when they created her...
What if the Dark Crystal took place in the same universe as Star Wars, but in a different galaxy
What confuses me is that if augra already had the observatory before the skeksis and Uru split. Then wouldn’t that mean there wasn’t a trade AFTERALL? Did she just want to look at the stars so much that she decided half brings that actually damaged the crystal in the first place could be trusted with it?
I think that's the implication.
I think the skeksis convinced her that they could be trusted with the crystal and I'm not sure if she was even aware that they were the dark halves of the Urskeks.
@@mikelomez9313 I mean, it seems like the Skeksis were, at one time, not so bad. Even in the prequel series, they at least try and make an effort to be not terrible at first.
Several of them even seem initially horrified by what the Scientist did to Mira, at least until they get her essense.
But they all got steadily worse and worse and worse.
@@rosesweetcharlotte You definitely have a point there
mike lomez .. she knows everything .. I think the Skeksis slowly became corrupted, but at first loved to show of their talents and knowledge. Augra became ‘addicted’ to watching the stars, in that way, she was not really there for Thra. Her ‘absense’ made the Skeksis the ones having access to the crystal. Originally coming through the 3 suns at the 1st conjunction, they were not creatures of thra, while Augra is Thra as a living creature. Their interaction with the crystal is different and the effect of the crystal on them is different. They do not know everything about Thra. So they make ‘mistakes’. And so Thra changes. Until .... dark energy (the energy of death, natural destruction) shows up because of the imbalance in their knowledge and starts ... corrupting the inbalance in order to end it. But also corrupting the Skeksis, causing them to slowly lose their immortality. And this causes them to .. start lying and the deceiving. They were not ‘bad’ until Augra became ‘absent minded’ ... or a dreamer
You forgot to mention that the attempt to burn out their darker nature cracked the crystal, breaking off The Shard.
I think the crystal cracks during a fight after they become skeksis.
@@TheIronDragonBrigade To Quote the Urskek in the movie: "In our arrogance and delusion, we shattered the pure crystal, and our world split apart"
@@TheIronDragonBrigade It is cracked by one of the UrSkeks who became furious and corrupted
Were the Skeksis always ugly and decrepit or did they become like that over time? Do a video on how the Skeksis looked after the great division. I saw somewhere that they were not always ugly and scary looking.
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Raunip had a lot to do with causing the Great Division. He was probably more responsible than Gyr.
You know this reminds me a great deal of Lord of the rings and the Maiar, the beings that became wizards and Balrogs. Unlike them however the Urskeks are literally split in two, and almost certainly reflect the dualistic nature of the Urskeks as in people.
The Maiar however are not physical split from individuals but rather moral factions, that is more fluid, especially in the case of Saruman becoming evil, unlike the Uru who cannot be...
They are both almost alien as well, that’s difference however being that the Maiar (at least wizards) were sent to guide, but the Urskeks were banished...
I love the message that the Dark Crystal story shows: there cannot be good/light without dark/evil, or vis versa. That’s why the UrRu and the Skeksis were still spiritually linked like as UrSkeks, although physically divided.
Great video, man! Upon watching the video in my adulthood, it makes sense that the UrSkeks are aliens from another world. The first ever thing I'd gotten of this franchise was an old picture book of the story when I was a child, and that it told me that Thra had three races, counting the UrSkeks after the Gelflings and Podlings. I now have the three stories featuring the aftermath after Jen and Kira healed the crystal. Now I'm watching the new series and I must say I'm astounded and glad they stuck with the original puppetry, only using CGI to enhance expression! I'll be glad to Dreamfast with you in your next video! ^^
1:32 Damn Aughra THICC
With ur pfp that's so funny😂
I'm working for the series so far....for the third time.....I may be a little obsessed and thanks for the great take on the lore for something to keep me from going in for a fourth.
Bro imagine wanting to listen to your old song from your playlist and causing the separation of your peoples very being
A bit of an eerie detail, Jim Henson's Urskeks might've inspired by JR Tolkien description of Sauron "the bringer of gifts" and Lucifer's name meaning "light bringer"
I fee like it was meant for the urskeks to split. That they had to go through the compete fragmentation of themselves in order to really heal. Who knows , these urskeks could be special beings who have a great calling for their souls to make this journey and learn more about “self” for the sake of their whole planet. At the end of TDC movie they are whole again but not just whole again, they are wiser and changed and soulfully expanded.
What bothers me is this:
Skeksis: Birds
Uru: Birds
UrSkeks: Noodle Elf Albert Einstein
Uru look more like turtles or sloths to me. Either way I guess its more if a internal division then an actual division in appearance
Noodle Elf Albert Einstein Ghandi
The Skesis remind me more of Dragons to be honest both visually and personality wise. As for the Uru they remind of anthro Saurpod Dinosaurs.
I always thought the Mystics were somehow equine, while the Skeksis were a creepy fusion of rats and vultures.
This channel blew up! I joined when he had only less than 500!
Night fighter Ventura I was looking for a channel just like this after I finished binging the show. I’m so happy a fan created this to explain more of the background.
Jasmine V same!
Several points: So the heretic said the UrSkeks appeared 2,000 trine ago. The show and the movie specifies 1,000 trine. So were 1,000 trine blissful (so the castle should've been white like at the end of movie) and 1,000 trine dark? The UrSkeks were apparently already evil if they deceived Augra for the Crystal. The emperor said he began having nightmares (after experimenting with the darkening) of their previous lives of pain before rent asunder??? And didn't the Crystal experimentation cause the crack which caused the split? And if the healing shard was in the dual glaive, and Augra had it in the movie, why didn't she know which one it was vs being thrown in some random pot? Jen had to use his flute to find the magic Crystal. Ugh brain aches lol
1. Yes it's 1000 trine each
2. No the UrSkeks didn't deceive her, they were being helpful, the Skeksis just used it to their advantage.
3. Aughra likely had several crystals to test whether or not Jen was worthy of the crystal.
The urSkeks weren't really evil. They really were trying to be friendly with Aughra, but they also wanted to use the Crystal. They never meant to hurt anyone.
@@rosesweetcharlotte The Heretic specifically said during his puppet show that they "deceived Augra." It's sooo confusing and I love it!
@@The_Jovian During the Heretic's puppet show he said the UrSkeks arrived 2,000 trine ago and his words were "we deceived Augra." I think it's episode 6. Gotta love the Henson's lol
@@Thecrazynecklacelady well you can justify that too. The heretic isn't reliable. The Skeksis and Uuru have very few memories of their old life. He could very well be telling incorrect information. Search up some dark crystal lore, it's fascinating
They're Aliens fleeing their conquered homeworld of Endor by Imperial Stormtroopers send by Emperor Palpatine to retrieve a Crystal Source of Energy.
Rafael Martins I like how yoda and the mystic at the beginning of the movie die the same way. Blanket fall and all. Makes sense considering frank oz worked on both and empire was a year after dark crystal
🤣🤣🤣...oh my
Episode 10
But then Doctor Who steals the Crystal to power the TARDIS. 😆
Just imagine the moment they'll become whole again and have to remember all the dark things they've done with all the losts of all sides...I mean they are creatures made of energy, that what we would call higher beings, but because of their desire to return home and one of them (Dark heart) losts his hope in his anger, this whole tragedy start until the next f**** conjunction. How to deal with this? That's so sad. 😔😣
At the end of The Power if the Dark Crystal comic, Jen and Kira left with the Urskeks to travel the universe
Sooooo am I going to be the only one to ask this..... The time line layed out here has the skeksis giving the aurary to ogra before there were any skeksis. As in before the grate discussion.... Furthermore this issue I've seen not just here but other places that try and tell the lore..... How could the skeksis have given the aurary to ogra if at that time there were no skeksis only urskeksis?
I think he just misspoke and meant to say UrSkeks instead of Skeksis. I noted it, also, but chalked it up to a minor error. Hm...in the video on Aughra, he states that it was the Scientist Skesis that constructed the observatory for Aughra...hm...yeah...if that's so, then he has the timeline mixed up in this video...
@@er1chawk i can understand a mis speaking here or there but like. this is a issue ive seen everywhere. like every sight i find with the timeline and every other person ive seen cover the topic. they always have information that contradict themselvs.
@@soubigo We even have this in the show. Augrah blames the Skeksis, the Skeksis blame themselves, while Heretic and Wanderer blame their urSkek selves. Personally, I woulf go with Heretic and Wanderer. Aughra and the Skeksis see the Skeksis are separate from the urSkeks, while Heretic and Wanderer realize that the actions of the urSkeks can't just be put on the Skeksis
Been searching for clarification myself. Have yet to find a source that doesn’t contradict itself or others. Including the movie and AoR.
@@evilempireproductions879 But again, what makes this hard is that the urSkeks, Mystics, and Skeksis are all really the same people. And part of the moral of the franchise is that you have to accept the good and the bad in yourself. So I think this dissonance is part of the point
I seriously hope that we see the Division of the UrSkeks onscreen. I know we see it in one or more of the graphic novels, but it still must be shown onscreen what actually happened when the UrSkeks were rent asunder.
Such an amazing fantasy story world building you can only envy of...
this is our reality... We have been misled since birth for atleast 6000 years now.. Imagine Skesis = Government for last 6000 years
@@wiolantsungazer7665 The Skeksis= Anunaki
How does a vulture and an ardvark make a troll doll fusion logic lol
Aliens, I guess.
@@rosesweetcharlotte lol i guess so 😂
For your information for me I'd say the urRu look like a combination between dog, sauropod and human while the Skeksis look like a combination between vulture, dragon and demon and for the urSkeks look like a combination between spirit, angels and sorceress.
This is all a good reason why Good cannot exist without Evil. That will never change unless a miracle happens. "If anyone here believes in miracles."
"Great white void".....I like that......
Awesome videos dude :)
the fact that they were actively trying to contact more from their home planet means if they ever did a sequel and scrap the comic book idea, THRA would be in enormous trouble, JUST 18 Skeks wiped out a few races imagine what a couple hundred would do.
I don't think their homeworld compatriots are interested in conquering Thra. It was just a place to dump those lacking purity.
@@er1chawk Yeah, the other urSkeks saw it as a literal penal colony.
One has to wonder, is the great division an isolated case, or a repeatable process? Is it a known and studied phenomenon by Urskek sages? Could it be done with their native Crystal? Can it happen to Gelflings? To beings like Aughra? Is one's soul always split along the good/evil axis, as opposed to, say, law/chaos? So many questions.
I think it's an urSkek thing. They're mostly energy.
@@rosesweetcharlotte if they were mostly energy then wouldn't the same be true of the skeksis and urru?
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That's what I've wondered about too while reading the lore. Part of me also wonders if the way the split happened could technically be considered taboo or traumatizing, in a similar way to how survivors of extreme, tragic circumstances in history have had to cannibalize to survive. 🤨🧐🤔
Something I've wondered since the Skeksis were originally traumatized when they separated...
@@Scarshadow666 It seems like it was probably especially traumatic for the Skeksis because they experienced the full blunt of the emotional impact of the split.
I went through your list and did not see a video explaing the Arathim. Would you make one? Does not seem to be much on youtube if any at all explaing these beings.
Well that answered my questions about in what order these events took place. The show was not clear on that.
I wonder if the Skeksis hold jobs and titles like Skeksis and Mystics or are just magical angel aliens.
I’m still wondering why the skeksis and mystics have four arms while the Urskeks only have two.
I'm still wondering why can't the urskeks would looked like a mix between the skeksis and urru.
Thank you for your video :)
I WANNA see MORE of the URSKEKS....but I know THAT'S pointless....because their story is concluded at the end of The Dark Crystal!
I think this is the true story of the realm we humans live in.
Actually we live in a real world if you didn't know. And no lol
I wonder if this was not based on the book of Enoch?
Age of rebellion < age of genocide.
This whole crystal thing is so Final Fantasy LOL
Croz Raven dark crystals came out 5 years before the first game
It might actually the other way around. TDC existed before FF.
@@minecastlord I mean if you put D&D + Wizardry + TDC, you got yourselves the very first Final Fantasy. It might be a coincidences or inspired by it. In any case the idea of "animism" themes itself actually pretty thick in Japanese cultures & faiths.
This movie inspired final fantasy 9 so yeah kinda
I still wonder why the UrRu were often referred to as the Mystics. I’ve never understood that.
Nice usage of language: "The Great White VOID."
The annunaki of the green light and the amber light.
What does the young urseks look like?
Adored is the father who controls his servant, for he also trusts his complaints.
Ah, makes more sense now!👍🤔
If we’re being honest, the original dark crystal movie was extremely confusing and absent in background information to the point of almost being bizarre. I never even realized it until Age of Resistance came out, where so much necessary information was exposited and explained. I mean seriously, they really didn’t explain a damn thing in that original movie except for bare minimum
80s was a tough time for that. Jim Henson had a whole world built in his head and it just couldn't fit in 90 mins. He tried his best. Now that his children and people who worked on the movie are working on a series there's much more room for lore and background
There should be more seasons of age of resistance
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How many arms do the urSkeks have cause it looked like only two, but that doesn't make sense as both the Mystics and Skesis have four
Creepy. That's the answer.
I'm confused. In the comic is said that the observatory was built by the urkesks whilr in the Netflix series they say that it was built by the skeksis, so who is right? I hope is not a polt hole becusa that would be a shame D:
i wonder, if a new urskek arrived to thra as the crystal was cracked would they separate immediatly or remain the same and i also wonder where skeksis and urRu go when they die if they dont return to thra
My guesses that since the souls and spirits of skekSil and urSol are in the dream space from the comic, so I guess this is where they go when they died due to them being as living opposites.
Dark heart must have been SilSol since urSol was a chanter
What did the URRU look like before
So basically they rhought found a short cut to come home but they ruled tha with Pure hearts and intentions and Thra was abundent good and pure
So basically a gelfing fucked it up?!
Are the urskez from one or all of the suns ? Maybe they got banished to thra and thats why they are light creature's.
They were banished to Thra, but they come from a place beyond the farthest star that can be seen from Thra.
if the uru were truly good they would kill themselves thereby killing the skeksis that were destroying thra and committing genocide
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The urSkek are creepy.
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To bad vaMal, senLach, and maVar didn't got the chance to become urSkeks in the Dark Crystal age of resistance series.
The songwriter caused it? Isn’t that chamberlain?
Winey little shit, that wouldn't surprise me.
Here are my guesses for the titles of the urSkeks.
SoSu the Chief
Unglm the Physician
SilSol the Speaker
ZokZah the High Priest
TekTih the Savant
NaNol the Manager
OkAc the Archivist
AyukAmaj the Gourmet
EktUtt the Artisan
ShodYod the Accountant
GraGoh the Explorer
MalVa the Warrior
VarMa the Mediator
LachSen the Evaluator
LiLii the Humorist
SaSan the Boater
The only urSkek whose title is known is HakHom the Architect.
And what about the deceased urskek, YiYa?
@@gloriannavargas7536 YiYa the Dead.
@@roberthintz4017 I think I got the perfect title for YiYa, but first let me introduce you to what would purpose of life for skekyi and urya if their not killed:
Skekyi the astronomer: a female skeksis with a similar beak like skeksil and skekna, a skeksis who studies the planets and the stars, she is a close friend to skeksil because she admire his voice and sometimes listen his advice and a close friend to skektek to where she help him with his machinery, she holds a rival grudge against skekzok: astronomy vs astrology.
Urya the star cartographer: a female urru where she spends the night looking at the stars and making her own rituals, she is a close friend to ursan for which she also likes to swim and a close friend to urgoh to which she understands his opinion for skeksis and urru unity but after urgoh was banished she felt bad for him.
And so for this information about skekyi and urya I give you the title of the deceased urskek: YiYa the stargazer.
What you think?
@@gloriannavargas7536 Pretty good.
@@roberthintz4017 thanks, I hope most people appreciate my opinion of skekyi and urya.
I’m so confused
Wait how is nostalgia a bad thing?
I have not yet seen a real answer to this question and I've wondered that myself. I think perhaps it created a resistance to change. The Urskeks were trying to 'repent', in a sense, by burning the darkness from within themselves. I think an analogy might be someone who was once an alcoholic suddenly missing his life as a party animal. This meant the nostalgic Urskek was not truly 'penitent' and couldn't be purged. In trying to hang onto the past, he couldn't let go of the part of himself that had gotten him banished in the first place.
@@orion24601 that would make sense, personally I always feel like remembering the nice parts of your past is good, it helps you hve strength when the now isnt quite as nice or good. What do you think about them being punished in the first place?
@@user-ho4tb5qe7v First, there's a difference between remembering the past and refusing to let go of it, which I think was the problem. Second, I can't speak for the punishment, as I've never understood exactly what they did that got them banished in the first place! It seems, however, they were unwilling to abide by the laws of their former world, and were cast out until they learned to abide by them, which I suppose was fair, but whether those laws were just, I have no idea.
I don't think it was just nostalgia. That urSkek was apparently angry at its situation, much more than the others. It was being made fun of by Aughra's son and it just wanted to go home. What's really sad is that the accepted theory is that Dark Heart was the Skeksis who essentially killed themselves by killing their Mystic counterpart.
George Lucas was bitten by a rooster as a child!😅
Dude, you're just reading the wiki verbatim.
The one that became two. Two mind, one soul, separated into two bodies. Yin and Yang.
I was turned off by the new movie because it didn't make any sense so I just stopped watching. Maybe if they had put some of this backstory in it would have actually been good.
The movie is certainly...I'm not sure. Henson really relies on you to just sort of accept what's happening.
The Skeksis built Aughra her observatory to trick her into leaving the crystal with them and generally get her out of the way. The urSkeks didn't build it. You even talk about this in your next video about Mother Aughra. Poorly written video.
In the show, the Heretic and Wanderer blame it on the urSkeks.
The urskeks built it tho
Dude wtf r u talking about , them trippy things were at the end of the movie! Dont ask me why but they definitely were