I think it is crazy that if you are charged with 3 separate crimes and the jury says they are deadlocked, shouldn't a judge make sure they are deadlocked on all charges, This has never happened before?
Seems Massachusetts doesn't ask? Or maybe that's just what pros says. I'm sure similar things have happened, but I think the prosecution tends to dismiss those charges knowing a jury acquitted all but technically. But this pros and CW doesn't seem to do the right thing
Their strongest argument by far is that the judge gave them no opportunity to be heard at the time she declared the mistrial. She didn't tell the parties what she intended to do prior to bringing the jury back in. She had the jury brought back in, read their note into the record and then instantly told them their service was concluded and she was declaring a mistrial. Once those words leave her mouth the case is over. And it is standard operating procedure in cases where someone is charged with multiple separate counts that the judge goes through each count and asks them if they are unable to reach a verdict on each count. It's absolutely preposterous that you could get a vague note just saying we're deadlocked and declare a mistrial on all counts without even inquiring whether they were deadlocked on all counts.
YES! I was in shock when this happened, and my first thought was that Auntie Bev must be aware of something that we don't know. Apparently, she assumed! 😮
I thought maybe the defense didn’t want to hear which way the jury was leaning incase it was favoring the prosecution and could affect whether the prosecution brings it back to trial.
Do you want to ask the defense why they wanted a mistrial when the jury foreperson gave the judge their very first “deadlocked” note? No one asked if they were deadlocked on all counts. Jackson/Yanetti didn’t seem to care, they just wanted a mistrial.
I was on a jury in 2015 where we found the defendant Guilty of 5 charges and unable to agree on the 6th charge. We were sent back 3 times and it was 11 guilty with 1 not guilty so we could not get past it. We were asked to tell the Judge the verdict on each charge. The Judge in the Karen Reed case was bizarre to me and shocked when no one asked for verdicts on each charge here.
@RealWorldMoming Bev just looked like she was steaming that things weren't going the way she wanted and like she's annoyed she even had to be there. I found her behavior throughout the trial to be distasteful.
@@khaleesireyna731I don't know why she's so tired and stressed out from watching the trial it just looks like she just sits there playing her chair and just saying yes to whatever the prosecutor says and then at the end read some paper
Black Swan! Jury selection starts Monday, pre trial was yesterday! Fascinating law arguments, judge is amazing with total hands on approach. His explanation of jury instructions today is exactly what did not happen in Karen Reads trial! PETER you will love this case!!!!!!!
the defense attorney is already annoying me, and I'm pretty sure he's annoying the judge, too. I did not expect everyone to go that hard on the argument about where the paralegal sits.
Pretty sure they said that at the Salem witch trails 😂😂 that’s what this seemed like wild I am in uk we are a bad for corruption they just wear wigs and say ma lord 😂😂
Thanks for covering this!! I don't know why people are using the word "obsessed." The activities haven't ceased, so it's literally ongoing. Its not like its over, and you're reiterating. The trial is unique on several fronts, and that's reinforced by several other spaces where there is continued media coverage. There is fallout from the case, more investigations and other charges. I'm so excited whenever you have something to say, bc it's ALWAYS relevant. 😍
Oh, I'm obsessed with this case alright. We're on the precipice of something monumental. This is uncovering how deep corruption and injustice goes; it's confirming what we suspected all along.
Judge Cannone literally told them she was giving them both verbal and written instructions and that, if these differed, they were to follow her verbal instructions. But they were not allowed read-backs! You can't make this stuff up!
The way you just explained this just gave me a deeper understanding. This NEEDS to be addressed and fixed. 3 separate charges, the Judge should have asked some basic questions! My god Bev!
All the lawyers PRESUMED the jurors understood. They didn't. And I'm not sure the defense GETS THAT. Presuming what the jurors that came forward have said is true.... they came to a verdict on two, hung on one, and didn't understand they could "split the verdict" and were looking for more instruction from the judge. EVERYONE presumed the jurors knew all the nuances of rendering a verdict INCLUDING that they would not be further questioned. It sounds like they EXPECTED the judge to ask some variant of "have you come to agreement on any of the counts?" and she didn't and then bam it was over. The JUDGE should be in the position to hold the hand of the jury as to procedure. ASK the probing questions. The JUDGE is supposed to be the neutral party and be on the JURY'S side as to how to rendered a verdict and work through the process. I keep listening to attorneys talk about this and ALL of you keep going back to very tiny points of law. Ordinary citizens are not aware of such things. They just know they need to render a verdict....the subtleties and nuances of the law are absolutely not known to them. They do not know. It's an argument for a professional jury.
Well said, and that's what's so crazy to me, the judge did such a good job doing the hand holding and leading jury through the whole trial but doesn't when it gets down to the most crucial thing.
That's EXACTLY what I said! Obviously the jurors thought she meant unanimous on all the charges.... because that's what it sounded like to me!!! So they didn't feel out the form!
The problem for the defense is that they didn't refute the jury instructions. I'm not blaming them, but they can't now use it as an argument unfortunately.
@@shieh.4743 I am going to go back and watch that whole jury instruction nonsense. I thought Bev shut them down hard when they were arguing for the clarification to all counts and not just the lessers? She had her own agenda …. And she was really tired….poor woman. A fellow woman’s LIFE is on the line and it is clear to Helen Keller that she was framed and is innocent and proven not even there at the time Jen McCabe swears she saw her out the window SEVERAL times…. After she dropped John off and he went into the house. But I digress…. Omg my heart rate can’t take this stupidity of so many people!!! I did think the defense argued about the jury instructions on having the 2 boxes, but Bev kept holding the piece of paper up that looked like something a teacher I had in 1976 that just came off the mimeograph.
@@shieh.4743 I get it and I’m appalled they didn’t or didn’t stand up after note and ask the judge to ask if they were hung on all charges in the least !!
I wondered if someone was going to cover the fact there's going to be a different judge on monday. I have not seen anyone else cover this so thank you peter!
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PLEASE COVER THE BLACK SWAN TRIAL Peter 🙏🏼. The Judge is one badass and very clear to both the prosecution and defence that he will not take any funny business. It will be a good trial the Judge is gonna be opposite to what we've seen in recent trials. Think this is gonna be a good one ⚖️🤗
I’m very sad. I have been a long time resident here and I strongly feel Karen Read is being ambushed. This trial was clear that she is innocent. I don’t see how anyone can’t see that. It scares me that this has happened. I would not have the financial means to fight this and I am a nurse. I pray for justice..
@@patrishchange1504 I lived in that state,and other states too.And even with such a clear last name,never been scared of cops,except not wanting to get a ticket.Karen is guilty and you acting as being scared has nothing to do with this case.
If she was guilty then the alberts would have been out on their front yard that morning trying to help John. Not buttdial, delete, destroy, rehome and move. If Karen Read was guilty there wouldn't have been inverted videos, there would have been taillight pieces in the couple of inches of snow at 6am instead of none. Jen wouldn't have told Dispatch that they flipped John over onto his back and that she saw him get out of the vehicle and that he had been in the elements for a couple of hours when he was found. If she was guilty the plow driver would have seen him. The snow wasn't deep. Matt MaCabe would have seen him when they left but no one saw him that left the Alberts. Snow wasn't deep it was only a couple of inches by morning. This is all proven facts which comes from the one's who had a hand it. When John arrived at the hospital he was being treated as an assault case, as in beat up. Anyone that thinks she's guilty then tell me why the Alberts and MaCabes are so shady. They would have been transparent on everything but 1 lie lead to another and another. This shitshow of a trial and incompetent judge a cw should dropped the charges and retire permanently. That town and half the people in it are as crooked as a snake.
The Judge did not offer the note to the parties before bringing in the Jury. Neither party had time to form a sentence or stand up before she said mistrial and Jury released.... I certainly didn't expect her to talk so fast and doubt the Defense did.
Rule 26.3 Before ordering a mistrial, *** the court MUST give each defendant and the government an opportunity to comment on the propriety of the order, to state whether that party consents or objects, and to suggest alternatives.***
Thank you for covering this. I watched live trial from beginning to end. This trial has been out of the realm of NORMAL in so many ways. I have said from beginning this jury is going to have issues with verdict forms! Thank you to the jurors for their service and coming forth with facts.
This rule also provides that the court may declare a mistrial in cases where the jury is unable to reach a verdict. *****However, it MUST first receive and record the verdicts which the jury can agree upon. ****
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I agree. Aged 14y my daughter became ill. It took 6m for Dr. to diagnose H-Pylori. Despite after antibiotics I knew that long lasting problems must have taken affect. Lo and behold 1 year later she was rushed into emergency surgery for a perforated ulcer at 15yrs old! 10 years on and she's just been diagnosed with Barrets Asophugus. 😢😢
@@gregorywilson9322 well she was very tired. Poor thing. And her huffing and puffing and sighs …. It was all an inconvenience to her majesty. She is a disgusting horrible person for what she has been a part of.
Riddle ME THIS???? When did it become a requirement, for a JURY to be so precise in their notes to the COURT/JUDGE, that they needed to LITERALLY and figuratively, go to law school, to CONVEY and EXPRESS, what they were conversing about whether individually or unanimously, in LEGALESE? A jury is normally a group of Laypeople who do not know NOR do they fully understand the precise legal verbiage to put in writing to convey what they are thinking. They were told not to take a poll at the beginning of deliberations, which would have most likely been extremely helpful, and also the natural thing to do, just to SIMPLY SEE where or how everyone was thinking and feeling from the get go!!!!!! They were not allowed to read transcripts or see anything else that was presented in court, unless it was in their notes, or were relegated to memory, and EVEN THOSE Notes couldn’t be shared with each other!!! The instructions were very very very confusing, and I personally was under the impression that if you found NOT GUILTY on COUNT 1, (meaning that a CAR wasn’t responsible for JO’s death, then the other charges didn’t even apply). I went over the instructions time and time again with various people, and still thought if there was no accident, there was no crime at all. Should’ve been a jury poll and it did feel like they were rushed out of the courtroom. That’s what it felt like to me. I’m assuming they felt the same way. I think they were waiting to be asked additional questions. It was extremely confusing after how many CW witnesses? 74 or something like that.?
Right? I wonder if she told them not to talk to anyone since they seem to be afraid to come forward (considering 2 told intermediaries and didn’t go straight to the attorney themselves).
The judge was so quick to a hung jury. She read the note from the jury and didn't asks the lawyer about there opinions. She quickly git up and left. The defense had no time to argue the decisions.
She had already asked the lawyers after the second time the jury said they were deadlocked. The defense wanted her to call a mistrial right there, but she instead sent them back a third time. Did you see how happy the defense was with the mistrial?
She didn’t even show the note to Lally or the defense or read it to the court before bringing the jury back in, reading it and then hastily calling a mistrial and then practically ran out of the court before anyone could say anything.
@@littlebirdie0809 they had a lengthy back and forth regarding the status conference date, all of them had plenty of time to say something. I just think that the defense was very happy with this outcome and didn't bother to inquire.
my issue is that the cw doesn't even seem to want to find out. are they not on the side of justice. i just don't understand and that should be a red flag to any american citizen that looks at this
Some DA offices seem to be about winning at all costs and not about justice. Lally is acting like he's going to be affected if KR's case is dismissed or found not guilty. It's weird all around...
The CW is determined to punish Karen Read, guilty or not. If the CW can’t get a conviction then they will punish her financially and emotionally as long as they can, as many times as they can.
@@AliciaL98he Is going to be effected of she's acquitted. The Alberts will do something nefarious. You can be pretty sure, after all this, that his career isn't squeaky clean and they've got SOMETHING on him from some case he's fixed for them. Maybe this one or a past case of railroading or dismissal.
Someone on Twitter got so mad at me for saying Karen is likely running out of money, Peter says it's possible and it's like " You're right " ! 😂 How ya all know Im not a lawyer!? Happy Anniversary Pater & Whitney! 14 years is a great feeling Me and my guy are right behind you 🎉 Keep on celebrating!
@grungestoryteller if she is selling assets, she is not out of funds. She is converting assets to cash... doesn't sound like someone that's running out of money. IMHO.
I think the judge was intentionally deceptive. She knew and still knows it was HER JOB to clarify what charges they were hung up on and it’s HER JOB to make sure everything is spelled out to the jury and that mistakes like this DO NOT HAPPEN….
@@Wilddaisyhomestead she was helping the Lally as much as she could. I can’t imagine Lally ever successfully litigating anything. He doesn’t know the rules of evidence, he objects and doesn’t know why but he knows he doesn’t want the true provable fact evidence out…. And his sugar mama sustains his objections with no legal grounds. “What if any” sort of did you do” and repeating every sentence a witness said. That sham trial should have been no longer than 2 weeks even with all his BS LYING witnesses had he just been a competent attorney.
Replay crew here! I think I heard the Black Swan trial starts on Monday with Jury Selection. If you cover it, I’ll watch! Thanks, Peter (happy anniversary!!)
The remedy tells us the argument. The problem would have been cured by the judge inquiring about verdicts so they could be docketed under Mass Crim.R. 28. Unlike the judge here, the judge in Blueford inquired about verdicts.
🤔 I feel like the jurors dropped the ball! They should have informed the judge via a note or said it out loud that they needed more clarification!! When in doubt give a shout!!!
Happy Birthday Peter and Happy Anniversary!! Black Swan case would be great to have you cover- Thanks for your patience with those of us just learning! ❤🙏🏻
The real question here regarding the jurors coming forward…… if they weren’t unanimous on NG Counts 1 & 3, you would expect one of the remaining jurors to come out and say, “We did not acquit on those two counts “ Silence is deafening!
I thought it was telling that the CW didn’t have any juror responses in their filing. Very different from the Murdaugh jurors whose opinions were divided. I suppose that could still change
And when Bev read the jury instructions, she told them they must find all not some and also told them to pay more attention to what she said rather than what was written. I just think the whole thing was very confusing and went super fast at the end. She did not allow the defense to see the note from the jury and brought them back in with no discussion upon which time I told them she was declaring a mistrial leaving no one room or time to say anything. Of course the defense could have interrupted but they didn't. I sort of felt like we all sat there thinking what just happened? Because we didn't know no one knew the split for the count or anything and I felt like Bev would find out when she went to speak with the jurors as she mentioned and would then tell the defense. We know she didn't. We don't even know if she spoke to the jurors though I assume she did. But they seem to have felt the same way and they didn't know how to resolve what needed doing. I wish at this point the remainder of the jurors would come forward so we would know they all are in agreement. And they may or may not before Monday I'm more interested in finding out what this new judge means. No one else seems to be covering it. Yes, Turtleboy already has a documentary contract & several said they've seen them lurking around the courthouse. Turtleboy was contacted for both a movie & a book. Lol... Grant later came forward & said he is also writing a book. I don't think he gets Turtleboy is getting paid for his!! I do think, tho, if this doesn't get resolved, we will hear from the jury. I think they'll come forward and raise hell if the CW retries Karen Read. And yes, KR did put her house on the mkt but doesn't want it known. I think she's had a lot of issues with lookie loos, so there are very strict conditions on seeing the house. Zillow has the info.
With how thoughtfully worded both of the notes from the jury were I'm a little surprised that they didn't mention that they were only hung on one charge. I know if I was on the jury I'd want that stated in the note.
One of Bev’s instructions was for jurors to tell NO ONE what any of the votes were, not even her. The jury could have reasonably thought that meant not saying anything in the note to the court.
AND work- life balance is soooo important. Happy Anniversary! Make sure you are able to check in to what you and your family needs, what YOU need before you act out of habit. You’re a gift to us - and I wish you the best! Keep up the great work!
??Peter?? Didn't Jackson say that the papers were confusing and the Judge wouldn't change it. I don't care whether or not they questioned. The jurors said they were confused and the Judge needs to call them in and find out. It's the right thing to do
I believe the Defense did not object to Mistrial because the Defense did not know the jurors had unanimously voted Not Guilty in Counts 1 and 3. What was on the note the jury sent to Judge Bev that she never read??? Hmm
Yes can you cover the black swan trial it starts next week and second I heard today that Hannah gutierrez's lawyer has filed a motion to dismiss or for a new trial can you read it for us on CZcams
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It is simple: When double jeopardy is forbidden, there must be a clearly defined process of finding out of a jury had come to a verdict on some, but not all of the charges. The protection against double jeopardy has a higher priority than the possible interests of a court to „get a trial over with quickly“, and do sloppy work in the process. And these questions should NEVER be left at the discretion of any single judge to rule on.
Rewatch Crew here ::: This was a long trial. All for it to end with the FBI saying there’s no way he was hit by a car. Why can’t the CW use this a an opportunity to dismiss the case. There’s no way I would let Trooper Paul testify again. 😂😂
@debidriscoll8108 still investigating but the fbi has said even in pre trial motions in letters sent that Karen should not be prosecuted. They are the ones that gave the defense proctors texts, the crash reconstruction experts, thousands of pages of discovery etc bc they firmly believe Karen is innocent and the case shouldn’t have been brought to trial.
@@debidriscoll8108 the 2 witnesses that the defense had at the end were the guys the FBI/DOJ hired for their federal investigation that said unequivocally John was not hit by a car and it was impossible to think so when looking at the facts, science and physics, biomechanical engineering and some other big brain words I can’t remember. Those guys were HIRED or paid by the defense. They were hired for the FBI investigation into the trooper’s and state’s atty investigation. They were impartial and had nothing to do the either party. Sent reports to both State and Defense. State chose not to even bring it up. Defense chose to bring it up. Same with some of the phone data…. Came from the feds. CW should be just fired and smacked around for being corrupt and or just plain having the intelligence of a box of tampons.
@@IJamesCordenLoveMyWife that is exactly what the FBI experts said. They said his injuries are not from being hit by the tail light of a car or a car at all. Go back and watch their testimony.
My Dude, What does it matter? The Defense will STILL call Proctor, THE LEAD INVESTIGATOR, even if the prosecutor doesn’t. The Defense will still question Higgins about when & why he destroyed his phone. The Defense will still question Jenn McCabe about the time of “Hos Long.” And MANY MORE issues. The Prosecutor will NEVER get a Guilty Verdict. They just need to drop this case.
But the family could still file a wrongful death lawsuit. People would be disposed. At this point I think they are quite pleased with forcing her to pay for a 2nd trial. She's can't really go back to teaching right? I can't remember if she was still working.
That is precisely what gov does best. Else you the taxpayer would be spending that money and enjoying life. Can't have that now can we, says the gov. Why doesn't technology reduce gov size? Reduce gov expense? Because its not for you but used against you.
@@grungestorytellershe was also a financial analyst in addition to being a professor, so hopefully she will be able to recover financially (to some degree). It's sad how much they don't care about both the taxpayers money and continuing to force her more financial burden
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Defense did make a huge objection about ballot form. Jackson was stellar but was shut down .Bev came back with a shitty edited ballot. I did not understand it myself. Bev would have punished Jackson if he questioned anything else. The jurors said it all….rushed everything at the the end , put on the bus and left the courthouse CONFUSED.Bev basically said “see ya” and ran away. So freaking bizarre . Ughh
The defense did have a problem with the jury instructions, they had a heated discussion with the judge over them and the judge had to leave the courtroom to cool down. When she returned, she said that the original instructions will remain but she will add supplement sheets. It is my belief that because there were multiple sheets where the jury had to check boxes for the same thing may have confused the jury so they chose not to check any box.
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When the jury foreman sent the letter explaining that the deadlock wasn’t due to confusion on the law, I immediately called BS. It’s obvious now that they didn’t have a full understanding of the law and their instructions.
I think this is a "recollections may vary" situation. They couldn't get a playback of testimony, read transcripts, etc. These jurors had to rely on memory and notes 🤦♀️
Argh. Why do they have to drag this stuff out and make it so complicated? The solution seems so friggin easy. Just bring the jurors back and ask them one by one on the stand about count 1 while the rest wait in the jury room. And Bob’s Your Uncle. Sheesh.
I still cannot get past the fact that they didn’t put it in their notes to the judge or even ask for clarification. They had numerous opportunities to do it. All of their notes made it sound like they couldn’t agree on any of it. Their note also stated that it was not due to their understanding. That clearly states they understood.
Hi Peter. The very last jury instruction directed the jury not to fill out any of the verdict forms until they had decided unanimously on all counts. Thus, if they had voted and conclusively decided on counts 1 & 3 yet were deadlocked on count 2, they were not yet supposed to have filled out any of the verdict forms. They entered the courtroom to inform Bev they were still deadlocked, which to them seems to have meant they weren't decided on every count. Bev declared a mistrial and released them without the jury ever having had a chance to say "wait a minute! What happens to our verdicts on 1& 3 which are already done and final?!" Further inquiry must be undertaken of the jurors.
This DA, Lally and Judge are doing everything in their power to prevent the defense a chance to figure out what verdict the jurors had truely decided apon. The CW and this judge don't care at all that there is a good chance that they never had an opportunity to deliver their true final verdict. They have absolutely no respect for the jurors true decision. They dont care in the slightest that there is a very real probability that these jurors did NOT get an opportunity to enter the outcome of all their diligent work and careful deliberation. This rule says that the judge must be sure they entered they verdicts they COULD reach first. This rule also provides that the court may declare a mistrial in cases where the jury is unable to reach a verdict. **** However, it MUST first receive and record the verdicts which the jury CAN agree upon.****
I'm shocked the jury didn't acquit on all 3 charges in 10 mins. Was this jury watching the same trial we were?? The defense repeatedly proved John wasn't hit by a car, which is way above the standard of creating reasonable doubt. It defies logic!!
@@Bhubnipz Respectfully, did you listen to the testimony from the ARCCA experts hired by the FBI? They proved beyond a shadow of doubt that OJO was not hit by a car. No car accident, no case. Some people just don’t understand science.
@@Bhubnipzthis would require you to believe that several third party experts hired by the FBI are willful liars under oath. Corrupt state cops sounds like Occums Razor at that point.
I think it is crazy that if you are charged with 3 separate crimes and the jury says they are deadlocked, shouldn't a judge make sure they are deadlocked on all charges, This has never happened before?
Seems Massachusetts doesn't ask? Or maybe that's just what pros says. I'm sure similar things have happened, but I think the prosecution tends to dismiss those charges knowing a jury acquitted all but technically. But this pros and CW doesn't seem to do the right thing
The fact that the jury contacted attorneys after the trial showed me that they were confused at the time.
@@TheNetOwl
They were not confused.
@@maanmohammad8459 The forms were confusing to them. Their words.
@@maanmohammad8459how is it that you’re so knowledgeable?
@@TheNetOwl, pay no mind that the person if you read his/her comments they are ALL NEGATIVE!
@@TheNetOwl
Did they tell you that?
Their strongest argument by far is that the judge gave them no opportunity to be heard at the time she declared the mistrial. She didn't tell the parties what she intended to do prior to bringing the jury back in. She had the jury brought back in, read their note into the record and then instantly told them their service was concluded and she was declaring a mistrial. Once those words leave her mouth the case is over. And it is standard operating procedure in cases where someone is charged with multiple separate counts that the judge goes through each count and asks them if they are unable to reach a verdict on each count. It's absolutely preposterous that you could get a vague note just saying we're deadlocked and declare a mistrial on all counts without even inquiring whether they were deadlocked on all counts.
YES! I was in shock when this happened, and my first thought was that Auntie Bev must be aware of something that we don't know. Apparently, she assumed! 😮
Revisionist history. The defense stated from the jump and each time to call it. Judge and everyone knew how they felt
Yes, absolutely! I agree 💯
I thought maybe the defense didn’t want to hear which way the jury was leaning incase it was favoring the prosecution and could affect whether the prosecution brings it back to trial.
@@mitch6969123I kinda thought the same!!!
Absolutely the jurors need to be asked.
Do you want to ask the defense why they wanted a mistrial when the jury foreperson gave the judge their very first “deadlocked” note?
No one asked if they were deadlocked on all counts. Jackson/Yanetti didn’t seem to care, they just wanted a mistrial.
I was on a jury in 2015 where we found the defendant Guilty of 5 charges and unable to agree on the 6th charge. We were sent back 3 times and it was 11 guilty with 1 not guilty so we could not get past it. We were asked to tell the Judge the verdict on each charge. The Judge in the Karen Reed case was bizarre to me and shocked when no one asked for verdicts on each charge here.
Honestly it felt like they didn’t want to know.
@RealWorldMoming Bev just looked like she was steaming that things weren't going the way she wanted and like she's annoyed she even had to be there. I found her behavior throughout the trial to be distasteful.
Exactly
@@khaleesireyna731Distasteful? Corrupt.
@@khaleesireyna731I don't know why she's so tired and stressed out from watching the trial it just looks like she just sits there playing her chair and just saying yes to whatever the prosecutor says and then at the end read some paper
Black Swan! Jury selection starts Monday, pre trial was yesterday! Fascinating law arguments, judge is amazing with total hands on approach. His explanation of jury instructions today is exactly what did not happen in Karen Reads trial! PETER you will love this case!!!!!!!
I've been watching this too. I've been hoping someone will follow this.
@@cyndij.5382 check out Grizzle true crime! She is live covering it and daily!
What case is it?
the defense attorney is already annoying me, and I'm pretty sure he's annoying the judge, too. I did not expect everyone to go that hard on the argument about where the paralegal sits.
Whose coverage are you watching?
Hi Peter, so glad you’re still covering this. It just continues to shock me on every level!!
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“This is how we do it in Massachusetts.”
~Auntie Bev
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"Forget it Jake, it's Chinatown."
Bev, ya blew it.
Pretty sure they said that at the Salem witch trails 😂😂 that’s what this seemed like wild I am in uk we are a bad for corruption they just wear wigs and say ma lord 😂😂
Thanks for covering this!! I don't know why people are using the word "obsessed."
The activities haven't ceased, so it's literally ongoing. Its not like its over, and you're reiterating.
The trial is unique on several fronts, and that's reinforced by several other spaces where there is continued media coverage.
There is fallout from the case, more investigations and other charges.
I'm so excited whenever you have something to say, bc it's ALWAYS relevant. 😍
Oh, I'm obsessed with this case alright.
We're on the precipice of something monumental. This is uncovering how deep corruption and injustice goes; it's confirming what we suspected all along.
@@Stopthisrightnow560 👍
Judge Cannone literally told them she was giving them both verbal and written instructions and that, if these differed, they were to follow her verbal instructions. But they were not allowed read-backs! You can't make this stuff up!
And her verbal in the arguement with jackson over the slip was "if the box isnt checked, then she's not guilty" so technically 😅😅
The way you just explained this just gave me a deeper understanding. This NEEDS to be addressed and fixed. 3 separate charges, the Judge should have asked some basic questions! My god Bev!
I think one day this situation will be known as “The Read Violation”
All the lawyers PRESUMED the jurors understood. They didn't. And I'm not sure the defense GETS THAT. Presuming what the jurors that came forward have said is true.... they came to a verdict on two, hung on one, and didn't understand they could "split the verdict" and were looking for more instruction from the judge.
EVERYONE presumed the jurors knew all the nuances of rendering a verdict INCLUDING that they would not be further questioned. It sounds like they EXPECTED the judge to ask some variant of "have you come to agreement on any of the counts?" and she didn't and then bam it was over.
The JUDGE should be in the position to hold the hand of the jury as to procedure. ASK the probing questions. The JUDGE is supposed to be the neutral party and be on the JURY'S side as to how to rendered a verdict and work through the process.
I keep listening to attorneys talk about this and ALL of you keep going back to very tiny points of law. Ordinary citizens are not aware of such things. They just know they need to render a verdict....the subtleties and nuances of the law are absolutely not known to them. They do not know.
It's an argument for a professional jury.
Well said, and that's what's so crazy to me, the judge did such a good job doing the hand holding and leading jury through the whole trial but doesn't when it gets down to the most crucial thing.
The case isn’t over ! That’s why he’s still covering it. Some people would like corruption to be covered.
They were told not to fill out verdict form until they were unanimously decided on all counts !!!! That was read in jury instructions!!
That's EXACTLY what I said! Obviously the jurors thought she meant unanimous on all the charges.... because that's what it sounded like to me!!! So they didn't feel out the form!
The problem for the defense is that they didn't refute the jury instructions. I'm not blaming them, but they can't now use it as an argument unfortunately.
And like he said repeatedly, those instructions come from the attorneys, so the Defense agreed to those instructions.
@@shieh.4743 I am going to go back and watch that whole jury instruction nonsense. I thought Bev shut them down hard when they were arguing for the clarification to all counts and not just the lessers? She had her own agenda …. And she was really tired….poor woman. A fellow woman’s LIFE is on the line and it is clear to Helen Keller that she was framed and is innocent and proven not even there at the time Jen McCabe swears she saw her out the window SEVERAL times…. After she dropped John off and he went into the house. But I digress…. Omg my heart rate can’t take this stupidity of so many people!!! I did think the defense argued about the jury instructions on having the 2 boxes, but Bev kept holding the piece of paper up that looked like something a teacher I had in 1976 that just came off the mimeograph.
@@shieh.4743 I get it and I’m appalled they didn’t or didn’t stand up after note and ask the judge to ask if they were hung on all charges in the least !!
I wondered if someone was going to cover the fact there's going to be a different judge on monday. I have not seen anyone else cover this so thank you peter!
It will be Bev she’s sitting in Civil Trials now
If i lived in that district, i would move.
Happy Anniversary 💕 with blessings from a woman in Scotland, married to the most amazing man for 38 year's. May you and your lovely wife have as much love as we have xx🏴
Thank you for continuing to report on KR.
YES to Black Swan/Ashley Benfield trial. The pre-trial hearing was very interesting!
I read this as “Ashley Banfield” (the news anchor) and was like yessss put her in jail. 😂 I just had to look up what the Black Swan Trial was lol.
@nataliea4860 😂
Thanks Peter, Happy Anniversary to you and your wife. Looking forward to the Black swan trial so please can you follow it too?!
No one should have to pay lawyers 2X for a defense because of others mistakes!!!!!!!
Congratulations to you and your wife ❤️❤️❤️ many more for you all 🥳🥰🫶🏽
Thank you Peter for continuing to help with understanding this case.
PLEASE COVER THE BLACK SWAN TRIAL Peter 🙏🏼. The Judge is one badass and very clear to both the prosecution and defence that he will not take any funny business. It will be a good trial the Judge is gonna be opposite to what we've seen in recent trials. Think this is gonna be a good one ⚖️🤗
Definitely will watch this trial!
I agree that looks like a good trial . I’m interested in that case
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Case..
I might need to try that cold bath if it helps with chronic pain. Where did you get yours Peter?
I take some amazing supplements along with my new health journey I’d share it with you if your interested.
Did it already start?
I’m very sad. I have been a long time resident here and I strongly feel Karen Read is being ambushed. This trial was clear that she is innocent. I don’t see how anyone can’t see that. It scares me that this has happened. I would not have the financial means to fight this and I am a nurse. I pray for justice..
@@patrishchange1504 no way would I even visit that place or even drive through to get to somewhere else. Diabolical.
@@patrishchange1504
I lived in that state,and other states too.And even with such a clear last name,never been scared of cops,except not wanting to get a ticket.Karen is guilty and you acting as being scared has nothing to do with this case.
@@maanmohammad8459😂😂😂
If she was guilty then the alberts would have been out on their front yard that morning trying to help John. Not buttdial, delete, destroy, rehome and move. If Karen Read was guilty there wouldn't have been inverted videos, there would have been taillight pieces in the couple of inches of snow at 6am instead of none. Jen wouldn't have told Dispatch that they flipped John over onto his back and that she saw him get out of the vehicle and that he had been in the elements for a couple of hours when he was found. If she was guilty the plow driver would have seen him. The snow wasn't deep. Matt MaCabe would have seen him when they left but no one saw him that left the Alberts. Snow wasn't deep it was only a couple of inches by morning. This is all proven facts which comes from the one's who had a hand it. When John arrived at the hospital he was being treated as an assault case, as in beat up. Anyone that thinks she's guilty then tell me why the Alberts and MaCabes are so shady. They would have been transparent on everything but 1 lie lead to another and another. This shitshow of a trial and incompetent judge a cw should dropped the charges and retire permanently. That town and half the people in it are as crooked as a snake.
@@tinawoodell1957
Tell me something,do you think OJ Simpson was guilty,or not guilty?
The Judge did not offer the note to the parties before bringing in the Jury. Neither party had time to form a sentence or stand up before she said mistrial and Jury released.... I certainly didn't expect her to talk so fast and doubt the Defense did.
Rule 26.3
Before ordering a mistrial,
*** the court MUST give each defendant and the government an opportunity to comment on the propriety of the order, to state whether that party consents or objects, and to suggest alternatives.***
That’s exactly how I felt about it all as well!
@@CharlieLynne-eu9dz Thank you for posting this.
@@CharlieLynne-eu9dzdo we know if that happened?
@@nickiemccormick5392 we know it didn't.
Thank you for covering this. I watched live trial from beginning to end. This trial has been out of the realm of NORMAL in so many ways. I have said from beginning this jury is going to have issues with verdict forms! Thank you to the jurors for their service and coming forth with facts.
I agree 💯 %, do the right thing, and question the jury. If it does uncover a true verdict, wonderful. If not, we have to redo the trial.
I agree, the best and only argument should be Double Jeopardy and “interest of justice.”
This rule also provides that the court may declare a mistrial in cases where the jury is unable to reach a verdict.
*****However, it MUST first receive and record the verdicts which the jury can agree upon. ****
She was downright mean to the defense arguments. There were 2 verdict forms sent back with the jury. She confused the jury
I CANNOT STRESS THIS ENOUGH!!!! HEALTH BEGINS IN THE GUT!!!!! My mom died tragically last December because she did not take care of her gut!! I was diagnosed with IBS several years ago, and tried to get her to clean it up and get it all moving properly, but she got sepsis from a leaky gut in 2020, then Feb 2023 she had 5’ of her large intestines die. That’s nearly all of it. She had an ostomy bag until December and went in to have it reversed and when they went in, every single cm of intestine died. From the stomach to the rectum. There was nothing they could do. I have vowed to make a healthy gut my life’s mission. People! If you are putting it in, something MUST come out!! Get your gut moving! Research Leaky Gut.
I am now off my soapbox. Glad to hear you’re doing great! Happy anniversary!🎉
Dealing w this type of thing now thx
This!! Get your gut right bc it’s what makes everything else run good
I am THE person to talk to about all things GUT. From Sibo & IMO to Leaky Gut and H. Pylori. I had a doctor who absolutely led to my life as I knew it, to cease to exist. The digestive system infiltrates every other aspect of your life. And it was tootttalllyy avoidable. I could go on forever about this.
I agree. Aged 14y my daughter became ill. It took 6m for Dr. to diagnose H-Pylori. Despite after antibiotics I knew that long lasting problems must have taken affect. Lo and behold 1 year later she was rushed into emergency surgery for a perforated ulcer at 15yrs old!
10 years on and she's just been diagnosed with Barrets Asophugus. 😢😢
The judge was more interested in ' not taking to much time' than in justice...
@@gregorywilson9322 well she was very tired. Poor thing. And her huffing and puffing and sighs …. It was all an inconvenience to her majesty. She is a disgusting horrible person for what she has been a part of.
I don’t remember anyone asking the jurors if they actually marked that sheet or not
She ran out of there like she was on fire.
HBD Peter! And happy anniversary! Hope it’s been as amazing as you are! ❤
Riddle ME THIS???? When did it become a requirement, for a JURY to be so precise in their notes to the COURT/JUDGE, that they needed to LITERALLY and figuratively, go to law school, to CONVEY and EXPRESS, what they were conversing about whether individually or unanimously, in LEGALESE? A jury is normally a group of Laypeople who do not know NOR do they fully understand the precise legal verbiage to put in writing to convey what they are thinking. They were told not to take a poll at the beginning of deliberations, which would have most likely been extremely helpful, and also the natural thing to do, just to SIMPLY SEE where or how everyone was thinking and feeling from the get go!!!!!! They were not allowed to read transcripts or see anything else that was presented in court, unless it was in their notes, or were relegated to memory, and EVEN THOSE Notes couldn’t be shared with each other!!!
The instructions were very very very confusing, and I personally was under the impression that if you found NOT GUILTY on COUNT 1, (meaning that a CAR wasn’t responsible for JO’s death, then the other charges didn’t even apply). I went over the instructions time and time again with various people, and still thought if there was no accident, there was no crime at all. Should’ve been a jury poll and it did feel like they were rushed out of the courtroom. That’s what it felt like to me. I’m assuming they felt the same way. I think they were waiting to be asked additional questions. It was extremely confusing after how many CW witnesses? 74 or something like that.?
Because Colin and Judge are corrupt ? Evil ?
@@glo3139 omg totally eloquently said!!! Spot on.
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Would love to know what Bev said to them in the jury room after
Right? I wonder if she told them not to talk to anyone since they seem to be afraid to come forward (considering 2 told intermediaries and didn’t go straight to the attorney themselves).
From my experience, the judge just goes to them and thank them for their service and attention
She said....you fools, I'll allow it
The judge was so quick to a hung jury. She read the note from the jury and didn't asks the lawyer about there opinions. She quickly git up and left. The defense had no time to argue the decisions.
She had already asked the lawyers after the second time the jury said they were deadlocked. The defense wanted her to call a mistrial right there, but she instead sent them back a third time. Did you see how happy the defense was with the mistrial?
Yes on Black Swan case Peter, Happy Anniversary
I’ve heard how good cold plunges are. I just don’t think I could do it. Good luck.
Jury selection for black swan is on the 22nd. It’s supposed to be a 1-2 week trial…I would love to see you cover this
She gave the defense, no opportunity to talk. She just hastily declared to miss trial after reading the note.
She didn’t even show the note to Lally or the defense or read it to the court before bringing the jury back in, reading it and then hastily calling a mistrial and then practically ran out of the court before anyone could say anything.
@@littlebirdie0809 they had a lengthy back and forth regarding the status conference date, all of them had plenty of time to say something. I just think that the defense was very happy with this outcome and didn't bother to inquire.
Defense was begging for a mistrial
Ty Mr Peter for all you do!! Hope you have a wonderful birthday and happy anniversary ♥️
my issue is that the cw doesn't even seem to want to find out. are they not on the side of justice. i just don't understand and that should be a red flag to any american citizen that looks at this
Some DA offices seem to be about winning at all costs and not about justice. Lally is acting like he's going to be affected if KR's case is dismissed or found not guilty. It's weird all around...
The CW is determined to punish Karen Read, guilty or not.
If the CW can’t get a conviction then they will punish her financially and emotionally as long as they can, as many times as they can.
@@AliciaL98he Is going to be effected of she's acquitted. The Alberts will do something nefarious. You can be pretty sure, after all this, that his career isn't squeaky clean and they've got SOMETHING on him from some case he's fixed for them. Maybe this one or a past case of railroading or dismissal.
Love your commentary you are quickly becoming one of my go too for honesty and intelligence ❤
Free Karen Read 💕
Free TurtleBoy 🐢
Black Swan trial is in Manatee County! Shooting was in Bradenton. You could take a field trip and do a live!
Someone on Twitter got so mad at me for saying Karen is likely running out of money, Peter says it's possible and it's like " You're right " ! 😂
How ya all know Im not a lawyer!?
Happy Anniversary Pater & Whitney! 14 years is a great feeling Me and my guy are right behind you 🎉 Keep on celebrating!
46 years here! Still happy!
Lol! Hey, we could probably pass as lawyers in social media comment sections 😂
She needs for the trial to be over so she can recoup that money she spent on her defense with a book, interview or something
Her house is up for sale now for $850K in Mansfield, MA.
@grungestoryteller if she is selling assets, she is not out of funds. She is converting assets to cash... doesn't sound like someone that's running out of money. IMHO.
I think the judge was intentionally deceptive. She knew and still knows it was HER JOB to clarify what charges they were hung up on and it’s HER JOB to make sure everything is spelled out to the jury and that mistakes like this DO NOT HAPPEN….
@@Wilddaisyhomestead she was helping the Lally as much as she could. I can’t imagine Lally ever successfully litigating anything. He doesn’t know the rules of evidence, he objects and doesn’t know why but he knows he doesn’t want the true provable fact evidence out…. And his sugar mama sustains his objections with no legal grounds. “What if any” sort of did you do” and repeating every sentence a witness said. That sham trial should have been no longer than 2 weeks even with all his BS LYING witnesses had he just been a competent attorney.
She is a sneaky as the reversed video in the sallyport. Show us what forms the jury really used.
This is the Mass. Circus that just keeps giving
Ugh, how could anyone want to live there after this?!
@@ingridfitz5677is that true, did you say that!?
Replay crew here! I think I heard the Black Swan trial starts on Monday with Jury Selection.
If you cover it, I’ll watch! Thanks, Peter (happy anniversary!!)
Happy Anniversary and happy belated birthday to your Dad! Welcome back and thank you sharing your thoughts of on all this.
The remedy tells us the argument. The problem would have been cured by the judge inquiring about verdicts so they could be docketed under Mass Crim.R. 28. Unlike the judge here, the judge in Blueford inquired about verdicts.
Yes please do the black swan trial. They had a pre trial today!!
Why
🤔 I feel like the jurors dropped the ball! They should have informed the judge via a note or said it out loud that they needed more clarification!! When in doubt give a shout!!!
Judge Bev appointed the retired cop to be the jury foreman, and he was in favor of "guilty" on that one charge.
Happy Anniversary Peter and Whitney! Happy belated Birthday Papa T!!🥳🍾💝
I do NOT trust Auntie Bev. 👎👎
@newenglandcoast7121 that's not given. None of us do.
She's HAWT !
I feel she knew kr was acquitted of 1 and 3. And rushed them out.
Happy Birthday Peter and Happy Anniversary!!
Black Swan case would be great to have you cover- Thanks for your patience with those of us just learning! ❤🙏🏻
The real question here regarding the jurors coming forward…… if they weren’t unanimous on NG Counts 1 & 3, you would expect one of the remaining jurors to come out and say, “We did not acquit on those two counts “ Silence is deafening!
I agree. Silence is often a response.
I thought it was telling that the CW didn’t have any juror responses in their filing. Very different from the Murdaugh jurors whose opinions were divided. I suppose that could still change
As Juror D later stated, they didn't think they were allowed to.
@@fionaryder632. Bull. They fully new
Happy Anniversary to Peter and Whitney... Thank you for your expertise and breaking down the facts.. Hugs ❤
My husband loves you. I get so much housework done when I listen to you!! 😂I do the gym and cold plunge
And when Bev read the jury instructions, she told them they must find all not some and also told them to pay more attention to what she said rather than what was written. I just think the whole thing was very confusing and went super fast at the end. She did not allow the defense to see the note from the jury and brought them back in with no discussion upon which time I told them she was declaring a mistrial leaving no one room or time to say anything. Of course the defense could have interrupted but they didn't. I sort of felt like we all sat there thinking what just happened? Because we didn't know no one knew the split for the count or anything and I felt like Bev would find out when she went to speak with the jurors as she mentioned and would then tell the defense. We know she didn't. We don't even know if she spoke to the jurors though I assume she did. But they seem to have felt the same way and they didn't know how to resolve what needed doing. I wish at this point the remainder of the jurors would come forward so we would know they all are in agreement. And they may or may not before Monday I'm more interested in finding out what this new judge means. No one else seems to be covering it.
Yes, Turtleboy already has a documentary contract & several said they've seen them lurking around the courthouse. Turtleboy was contacted for both a movie & a book. Lol... Grant later came forward & said he is also writing a book. I don't think he gets Turtleboy is getting paid for his!!
I do think, tho, if this doesn't get resolved, we will hear from the jury. I think they'll come forward and raise hell if the CW retries Karen Read.
And yes, KR did put her house on the mkt but doesn't want it known. I think she's had a lot of issues with lookie loos, so there are very strict conditions on seeing the house. Zillow has the info.
With how thoughtfully worded both of the notes from the jury were I'm a little surprised that they didn't mention that they were only hung on one charge. I know if I was on the jury I'd want that stated in the note.
One of Bev’s instructions was for jurors to tell NO ONE what any of the votes were, not even her.
The jury could have reasonably thought that meant not saying anything in the note to the court.
AND work- life balance is soooo important. Happy Anniversary! Make sure you are able to check in to what you and your family needs, what YOU need before you act out of habit. You’re a gift to us - and I wish you the best! Keep up the great work!
Happy Anniversary ❤ my husband and I are celebrating our 5th wedding anniversary today, too.
??Peter?? Didn't Jackson say that the papers were confusing and the Judge wouldn't change it. I don't care whether or not they questioned. The jurors said they were confused and the Judge needs to call them in and find out. It's the right thing to do
Yes Jackson did say it was confusing which when I heard them it was confusing to me
They changed it to what Jackson wanted
@@caroltaylor9499 actually the judge didn't. She added something which made it more confusing
I believe the Defense did not object to Mistrial because the Defense did not know the jurors had unanimously voted Not Guilty in Counts 1 and 3.
What was on the note the jury sent to Judge Bev that she never read??? Hmm
So, if going by Bev's instructions, if Not Guilty don't mark it guilty...so why then isn't she Not Guilty on everything if nothing was marked?
Dammit I missed the live... Hey Peter, mods & LYK chatters 👋🏼
Me too !
Happy anniversary to you both thanks peter another great video
Yes can you cover the black swan trial it starts next week and second I heard today that Hannah gutierrez's lawyer has filed a motion to dismiss or for a new trial can you read it for us on CZcams
Today would have been my 52nd wedding anniversary❣️ we were soul mates for 46 years, and because he had killed his knees while playing college b-ball ~ he was 6’5”!~ he needed his left knee replaced. He made it through surgery with no problem. A month home, he suddenly went down on Super Bowl Sunday with our 6-year-old grandson at Walmart.
He had developed a blood clot, and by the time they figured it out, they couldn’t get to it, and he died. So here I sit on my anniversary, missing him so much and dreaming about seeing him again (we both believe in Jesus)!
Love each other mightily and never go to bed angry! We had a great marriage, and I long to have him back!
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How heartbreaking ! I’m sorry for your loss ! Hold on to the memories…you will be reunited again !🙏🏻❤️
@@lynneb620 thank you 😘
I'm so sorry for your loss... I can't imagine
It is simple: When double jeopardy is forbidden, there must be a clearly defined process of finding out of a jury had come to a verdict on some, but not all of the charges.
The protection against double jeopardy has a higher priority than the possible interests of a court to „get a trial over with quickly“, and do sloppy work in the process.
And these questions should NEVER be left at the discretion of any single judge to rule on.
Happy Anniversary to you and your wife
Yes, please cover the black swan case!
Rewatch Crew here ::: This was a long trial. All for it to end with the FBI saying there’s no way he was hit by a car. Why can’t the CW use this a an opportunity to dismiss the case. There’s no way I would let Trooper Paul testify again. 😂😂
The FBI's report came back?
@debidriscoll8108 still investigating but the fbi has said even in pre trial motions in letters sent that Karen should not be prosecuted. They are the ones that gave the defense proctors texts, the crash reconstruction experts, thousands of pages of discovery etc bc they firmly believe Karen is innocent and the case shouldn’t have been brought to trial.
@@debidriscoll8108 the 2 witnesses that the defense had at the end were the guys the FBI/DOJ hired for their federal investigation that said unequivocally John was not hit by a car and it was impossible to think so when looking at the facts, science and physics, biomechanical engineering and some other big brain words I can’t remember. Those guys were HIRED or paid by the defense. They were hired for the FBI investigation into the trooper’s and state’s atty investigation. They were impartial and had nothing to do the either party. Sent reports to both State and Defense. State chose not to even bring it up. Defense chose to bring it up. Same with some of the phone data…. Came from the feds. CW should be just fired and smacked around for being corrupt and or just plain having the intelligence of a box of tampons.
Neither the FBI nor the experts they hired said that
@@IJamesCordenLoveMyWife that is exactly what the FBI experts said. They said his injuries are not from being hit by the tail light of a car or a car at all. Go back and watch their testimony.
I think a new judge and a new prosecutor are nessessary to avoid a biased unfair trial this time. The last trial was a mess!
My Dude, What does it matter? The Defense will STILL call Proctor, THE LEAD INVESTIGATOR, even if the prosecutor doesn’t. The Defense will still question Higgins about when & why he destroyed his phone. The Defense will still question Jenn McCabe about the time of “Hos Long.” And MANY MORE issues. The Prosecutor will NEVER get a Guilty Verdict. They just need to drop this case.
I agree. I seriously hope they do! @@wildmercuryfilms
Congrats 🎉 on your anniversary, I just celebrated 40 yrs. 😱 Love 😍 your channel enjoy your anniversary week .
There is no way there will ever be a conviction. Just wasting tas payers money at this point
But the family could still file a wrongful death lawsuit. People would be disposed. At this point I think they are quite pleased with forcing her to pay for a 2nd trial. She's can't really go back to teaching right? I can't remember if she was still working.
That is precisely what gov does best. Else you the taxpayer would be spending that money and enjoying life. Can't have that now can we, says the gov. Why doesn't technology reduce gov size? Reduce gov expense? Because its not for you but used against you.
@@grungestorytellershe was also a financial analyst in addition to being a professor, so hopefully she will be able to recover financially (to some degree). It's sad how much they don't care about both the taxpayers money and continuing to force her more financial burden
@@grungestoryteller they could. They would lose, but they could
You right about that💯
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Contrast therapy heat and cold! It’s my fav!
@@ANNEKREED I totally agree and it's fun too!! 🥵 🥶
From sauna into a lake with a big hole in the ice OR rolling in the deep snow, either way is absolutely sweet!
@@ANNEKREED Don't know if you got it Anne but I added a comment giving more details of frozen lakes & snow options. 🫠
Yes, please cover the Black swan trial (ashley benefield is the defendant's name).
Defense did make a huge objection about ballot form. Jackson was stellar but was shut down .Bev came back with a shitty edited ballot. I did not understand it myself. Bev would have punished Jackson if he questioned anything else. The jurors said it all….rushed everything at the the end , put on the bus and left the courthouse CONFUSED.Bev basically said “see ya” and ran away. So freaking bizarre . Ughh
@@Wickedcorrupt that is exactly what I thought. She pulled her mimeograph machine out of her a$$ and produced that ridiculous form.
The defense did have a problem with the jury instructions, they had a heated discussion with the judge over them and the judge had to leave the courtroom to cool down. When she returned, she said that the original instructions will remain but she will add supplement sheets. It is my belief that because there were multiple sheets where the jury had to check boxes for the same thing may have confused the jury so they chose not to check any box.
Iirc, they had also started deliberations when that happened.
@@AliciaL98that’s right. I forgot about that.
What sheets were they issued? Show us the sheets!!
Im gonna try cold plunges. I just got a grounding mat. Omg. Its amazing. Red light therapy & MB has increased my energy, improved my sleep & decreases pain. Im seeing a functional medical doctor & feel so much better on supplements than on prescription meds. Im a RN w/ a rare painful genetic disorder. From 30 meds to currently weening off the last 3.
I feel amazing. Flares have decreased big-time.
Prayer & meditation helped so much. It wasn't easy but worth it.
I would've loved to see you off from DIA. Next time.
When the jury foreman sent the letter explaining that the deadlock wasn’t due to confusion on the law, I immediately called BS. It’s obvious now that they didn’t have a full understanding of the law and their instructions.
I think this is a "recollections may vary" situation. They couldn't get a playback of testimony, read transcripts, etc. These jurors had to rely on memory and notes 🤦♀️
“Reasonable doubt” was apparently misunderstood by a few of them. That, or someone was compromised.
@@vee5294that’s is crap. They knew what they where doing.
Argh. Why do they have to drag this stuff out and make it so complicated? The solution seems so friggin easy. Just bring the jurors back and ask them one by one on the stand about count 1 while the rest wait in the jury room. And Bob’s Your Uncle. Sheesh.
But he says they could be tainted now
The longer they wait, the more tainted they get.
Bev is probably on vacation 😂 You would think something would have gone out to nip this in the bud by now.
I don’t know much about the black swan trial but it’s in Florida-field trip!
Yes to trial please!!
Yes to Black Swan trial next.
I still cannot get past the fact that they didn’t put it in their notes to the judge or even ask for clarification. They had numerous opportunities to do it. All of their notes made it sound like they couldn’t agree on any of it. Their note also stated that it was not due to their understanding. That clearly states they understood.
Happy Anniversary to you both Peter!!!😊
So glad you had an awesome vacation!😊
Hi Peter. The very last jury instruction directed the jury not to fill out any of the verdict forms until they had decided unanimously on all counts. Thus, if they had voted and conclusively decided on counts 1 & 3 yet were deadlocked on count 2, they were not yet supposed to have filled out any of the verdict forms. They entered the courtroom to inform Bev they were still deadlocked, which to them seems to have meant they weren't decided on every count. Bev declared a mistrial and released them without the jury ever having had a chance to say "wait a minute! What happens to our verdicts on 1& 3 which are already done and final?!" Further inquiry must be undertaken of the jurors.
This DA, Lally and Judge are doing everything in their power to prevent the defense a chance to figure out what verdict the jurors had truely decided apon.
The CW and this judge don't care at all that there is a good chance that they never had an opportunity to deliver their true final verdict. They have absolutely no respect for the jurors true decision.
They dont care in the slightest that there is a very real probability that these jurors did NOT get an opportunity to enter the outcome of all their diligent work and careful deliberation.
This rule says that the judge must be sure they entered they verdicts they COULD reach first.
This rule also provides that the court may declare a mistrial in cases where the jury is unable to reach a verdict.
**** However, it MUST first receive and record the verdicts which the jury CAN agree upon.****
Wow. Thank you! Is this general MA court laws? Or rules, I mean? Where did you get this?
Under MA's official code?
@@B_Bodziak That's certainly a more articulate thought than I had. Code! Yes!
I vote for following the ballerina trial - FL v. Ashley Benefield.
Benefield?!?!
Happy Birthday & Happy Anniversary & a Be-lated Happy Birthday to your Dad.🎉❤😊
Yes for Black Swan case!
I'm shocked the jury didn't acquit on all 3 charges in 10 mins. Was this jury watching the same trial we were?? The defense repeatedly proved John wasn't hit by a car, which is way above the standard of creating reasonable doubt. It defies logic!!
People ignore lack of evidence and convict on perceived demeanour.
Did they? Or did they just throw doubt on the CW evidence and bring in their own expert saying “nah I don’t think he was hit”?
@@Bhubnipz
Respectfully, did you listen to the testimony from the ARCCA experts hired by the FBI? They proved beyond a shadow of doubt that OJO was not hit by a car. No car accident, no case. Some people just don’t understand science.
@@Bhubnipzdoubt is all they need. It was absolutely Reasonable Doubt, that's the only standard required.
@@Bhubnipzthis would require you to believe that several third party experts hired by the FBI are willful liars under oath. Corrupt state cops sounds like Occums Razor at that point.
Black swan sounds super interesting!
Grizzly True Crime has 2 great deep dives, on Black Swan , one a year ago and a follow up today.