Can you build a real working MICROPHONE using LEGO?

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  • čas přidán 27. 07. 2023
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    See my latest experiments and behind-the-scenes footage!
    Can you make a microphone from scratch using Lego, some magnets, and some wire? Let’s find out!
    So what exactly is a microphone? Well in a sense, a microphone is essentially just a speaker, but in reverse. And now that I’ve made some speakers from Lego, it seems reasonable that a microphone could be just around the corner.
    A microphone is a lot more sensitive than a speaker, requiring only a few millivolts to generate a signal. When a coil of wire is oscillated near a magnet, it will generate an AC signal. This is translated as an audio signal by your computer. So if we can create a small AC signal by attaching a small coil of wire to a membrane that can vibrate, when we speak, the sound waves will cause the membrane (and coil) to oscillate near the magnet, generating an audio signal.
    Sounds easy in principle … but let’s see what we can build using Lego technic!
    If you’d like to see more of these Lego experiments, Channel Memberships are now available beneath the video. I appreciate all your support!
    #lego #microphone #sound #electronics #homemade
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Komentáře • 513

  • @Grdtrm
    @Grdtrm Před 9 měsíci +430

    The end result is really impressive for how rudimentary it is
    Really surprising how basic the fundamentals of parts of our lives are that are then just fine tuned by experts

    • @JamiesBrickJams
      @JamiesBrickJams  Před 9 měsíci +41

      That's a really good point - getting a basic version of common household gadgets is pretty easy. But I'm constantly stunned how complex it can be to refine them!

  • @kenshiromilesvt.7037
    @kenshiromilesvt.7037 Před 9 měsíci +575

    As an audio nerd and lego enthusiast, i absolutely love this series of audio components made from lego

    • @JamiesBrickJams
      @JamiesBrickJams  Před 9 měsíci +27

      Aw well glad it's hitting the mark for some folks like yourself 😁 Cheers! 🙏

    • @PhilippIllmer
      @PhilippIllmer Před 9 měsíci +3

      can relate

  • @ronanmates7812
    @ronanmates7812 Před 9 měsíci +91

    honestly this feels perfect for a horror recording format, the audio sounds old and dated perfect for something like old interview tapes or documentation recordings.

    • @JamiesBrickJams
      @JamiesBrickJams  Před 9 měsíci +9

      Haha that's a really fun concept 😄

    • @cholsreammos
      @cholsreammos Před 9 měsíci +9

      Makes sense considering hes almost engineering it from the beginning with very limited resources. Same as the first microphones and recording devices

    • @vorpalthefox
      @vorpalthefox Před 9 měsíci +1

      apocalyptic fallout mic the villain speaks into to monologue to the protag vibes
      it's insane out incredibly simple speakers and microphones are

    • @user-vr5xj3mj5w
      @user-vr5xj3mj5w Před 9 měsíci

      True!
      Insted of post-processing you can go analog way.

  • @wesleymays1931
    @wesleymays1931 Před 9 měsíci +232

    A few suggestions:
    1). Those thumping noises after P sounds are because you don't have a pop filter, so the bursts of air from plosives are hitting the microphone and making it go thump.
    2). This is a dynamic microphone, which if I recall, tend to want/need their own preamp before your computer's sound card has at it. This might be part of why the noise is so bad, so maybe a simple op-amp circuit to boost the signal before sending it off would help things.

    • @JamiesBrickJams
      @JamiesBrickJams  Před 9 měsíci +33

      Ah that makes a lot of sense, I'd love to try some kind of preamp then. Cheers for the heads up! The pop filter is probably the easiest problem to fix. Thanks for the suggestions 😃

    • @davidfrancois2764
      @davidfrancois2764 Před 9 měsíci +19

      @@JamiesBrickJams
      And i just want to add that the weight of the membrane is absolutely critical to the high frequency sound , also winding the coil as close as possible to the edge of the magnet will make the microphone a lot more sensitive , and a preamp board will help so much too :) !

    • @JamiesBrickJams
      @JamiesBrickJams  Před 9 měsíci +11

      @@davidfrancois2764 very true! I tried many variations to get that coil inside the magnet and as close as possible but really struggled 😅 Will certainly see what's possible with some other membrane materials! Cheers again 😁

    • @adamrak7560
      @adamrak7560 Před 9 měsíci +3

      maybe even a single jfet could give you enough amplification. But usually that is used for electret microphones. Those use change of capacitance, instead of induction.
      edit: for electret microphones, you literally need no extra components, only the JFET, but coils conduct well, so this may need a more complicated circuit. A two battery powered OPAMP circuit would be much easier to build and operate (two batteries, one opamp, two resistors, plus one extra capacitor or resistor on the output).

    • @mitallast
      @mitallast Před 9 měsíci +3

      Ribbon type microphones also needs an preamp. And try to find audio transformer for microphones, like replacement part for Shure SM57

  • @ysuri
    @ysuri Před 9 měsíci +77

    I love how the last mic sounds like the one they used waaay back in the past, it's make it nostalgic in a way 😀

    • @JamiesBrickJams
      @JamiesBrickJams  Před 9 měsíci +11

      Cheers 😁 Weird how lack of bass makes it sound old!

    • @meech2163
      @meech2163 Před 9 měsíci +8

      @@JamiesBrickJams I was half expecting to hear it play back in a Transatlantic accent

    • @GeneralPurposeVehicl
      @GeneralPurposeVehicl Před 8 měsíci

      Looks like one too, likely not a coincidence.

  • @cobaltnightmare5920
    @cobaltnightmare5920 Před 9 měsíci +208

    A lot of the low frequency noise you are getting is from your desk being touched and because you have no pop filter. The desk vibrations could be solved by isolating the part that holds the membrane and coil with some more rubber bands like the ones you used for the membrane. It also might be worth looking into using a preamp of some kind as they can help reduce noise and filter out frequencies you don't want in addition to increasing the signal strength.

    • @JamiesBrickJams
      @JamiesBrickJams  Před 9 měsíci +28

      Some fantastic advice here, thanks for sharing! A pop filter is definitely an easy addition, and more isolation I think should be pretty straightforward too. Will need to do a bit more research into a pre amp though. I experimented with various transformers and they all added various odd buzzing noises. But thanks for the heads up - I'll look into some kind of filtering!

    • @TheCustomFHD
      @TheCustomFHD Před 9 měsíci +4

      ​@@JamiesBrickJamstransformers might not be the best idea, perhaps digital preamps could be good (im not sure, but "OP-Amp" might be the electric ic's name..

    • @VixityTheFox1
      @VixityTheFox1 Před 9 měsíci

      @@JamiesBrickJams I'd recommend using a resistor too

    • @Idontknow4
      @Idontknow4 Před 9 měsíci

      ​@TheCustomFHD why do I recognize you I feel like we used to talk on discord

    • @TheCustomFHD
      @TheCustomFHD Před 9 měsíci

      @@Idontknow4 possible. Any server names that come to mind?

  • @joshboshgames
    @joshboshgames Před 9 měsíci +19

    you almost certainly want to pre-amplify the signal to make it usable for your PC, also, it could use a low-pass filter to reduce high-frequency noise.

    • @JamiesBrickJams
      @JamiesBrickJams  Před 9 měsíci +1

      That would have been a really good idea, cheers for the heads up - will need to figure out how a basic filter like that works!

  • @JBBrickFanatic
    @JBBrickFanatic Před 9 měsíci +12

    After 22 years I’ve finally discovered how a microphone works, and it took LEGO to do it. Thank you for this wonderful video!

    • @JamiesBrickJams
      @JamiesBrickJams  Před 9 měsíci

      Aw well I'm delighted this helped to break it down 😀

  • @mystery_pond
    @mystery_pond Před 9 měsíci +18

    Most of the suggestions I see in the comments look to be correct.
    Since in a dynamic microphone, the induced voltage on the coil is proportional to the change in magnetic flux, you may be able to increase the output level by having your coils closer to the magnet (i.e. nearly touching the "outside corner" of your ring magnets) -- if you search for magnetic field diagrams, your aim should be for the coils to cross over as many of the lines as possible during movement to get maximum induction. Using magnets without holes in the centre will increase the magnetic field strength, too.
    As other people have said, the dongle you are using is likely designed for a microphone with an impedance on the order of 1000 Ohms, so you need a preamp which will both amplify the voltage to a suitable level and provide an input impedance more closely matched to your coil to prevent signal degradation from power loss.
    I imagine it would be rather difficult to find something suitable at a reasonable price -- the other alternative is to try a DIY preamp with op-amps, resistors and some other discrete components - certainly possible on a breadboard given enough time and perseverance.
    The frequency response you're getting will in part be due to impedance mismatched power losses, but is probably mostly from the material of your membrane. Typically microphone membranes are extremely thin in order to reduce their mass for any reasonable high-frequency response, and the LEGO you use to mount the coil will be contributing a damping effect from the extra mass. The best suggestion I can make would be to use something like tracing paper to try and reduce the mass of the membrane as much as possible.
    One other thing -- you may want to twist your wires together. It doesn't sound like you're getting much EM interference, but twisted pair is an easy way to reject a lot of environmental noise and it should reduce the power losses a little too.
    Good luck!

    • @JamiesBrickJams
      @JamiesBrickJams  Před 9 měsíci +1

      Fantastic advice, thanks so much for taking the time to post! Really appreciate details like this. I think you're definitely right about using a decent pre amp. To be honest I don't know much about them, but if I can find an affordable solution, I'll definitely give that a try. Other membranes too will be interesting to experiment. I'm still holding out hope my ribbon microphone might work out. Or perhaps a capacitative membrane. Cheers again for the advice! 🙏

  • @user-no6hj9bw5m
    @user-no6hj9bw5m Před 9 měsíci +12

    I like how it sounds like an old carbon microphone. These audio components out of Lego are really cool! You could try and make a record player next that would be awesome

    • @JamiesBrickJams
      @JamiesBrickJams  Před 9 měsíci +2

      Thanks a lot! Haha funny you mention that - I've actually been toying with the idea of a record player. It's certainly something I'm seriously considering!

  • @darthgonk8918
    @darthgonk8918 Před 9 měsíci +12

    sounds real vintage (maybe it could be used that way)

    • @JamiesBrickJams
      @JamiesBrickJams  Před 9 měsíci +1

      Ha you're right, it does have a hint of those old timey recordings

  • @hughjass138
    @hughjass138 Před 9 měsíci +2

    It sounds like a radio recording from the 30's. Love these.

    • @JamiesBrickJams
      @JamiesBrickJams  Před 9 měsíci

      Ha yeah it does have a bit of an old school sound to it! Cheers 😁🙏

  • @attiliobaldo9308
    @attiliobaldo9308 Před 9 měsíci +57

    I am not an audio expert, but i may suggest you to focus on making the membrane much more thinner and lighter, i'm quite shure that way it will work better since the noise you hear is not because of the microphone itself but because the signal it produces is so low that the computer has to amplify it but it will also amplify the noise. Btw great work and i really love your videos!

    • @JamiesBrickJams
      @JamiesBrickJams  Před 9 měsíci +6

      Thanks a lot, appreciate it! And yeah you're totally right, I keep having to boost the signal on the recording which also boosts the noise. I'll certainly try some different membranes. Perhaps also delivering some power from the PC so that I can boost the signal before it hits the PC

    • @brohouse7882
      @brohouse7882 Před 9 měsíci +4

      @@JamiesBrickJams What about a cut open and stretched rubber glove?

    • @sage5296
      @sage5296 Před 9 měsíci +1

      You might be able to get similar with just plastic wrap yea?
      The reason you'd want something light is bc sound is just a difference in pressure / pressure wave, which means you have a force applied over each area of the membrane, so less dense and thick that membrane the more movement that force generates, which means more voltage

    • @thoomish3556
      @thoomish3556 Před 9 měsíci +2

      ​@jamievancoppenhagen the actual membrane inside a lot of microphones is just thin plastic, like you might get from certain plastic bottles, or the cover of folders for documents. Just needs to be thin, but not deform under its own weight. Then the frequency response will be wider and less bassy probably.

    • @natangurfinkel
      @natangurfinkel Před 9 měsíci +1

      Are you sHure you're not an audio expert ?😅

  • @ItsIntelligentDesign
    @ItsIntelligentDesign Před 9 měsíci +1

    The culmination of this series needs to be recording an album on all Lego instruments, using all Lego equipment

    • @JamiesBrickJams
      @JamiesBrickJams  Před 9 měsíci +1

      Haha that would be amazing, what a cool idea! 💡

  • @gunjfur8633
    @gunjfur8633 Před 9 měsíci +1

    I love how it sounds old-timey

  • @FraenkFokken
    @FraenkFokken Před 9 měsíci +2

    You need a thinner membrane and a not so stiff suspension. Also, the wheel the cardboard and the magnet are attached to adds too much weight and dampens the whole membrane.
    More mass needs more force to start moving so try to get that as low as possible. As others have said, a pre-amp is necessary, there are simple op amp circuits out there.
    the coil should be inside the magnet or around it, as the magnetic field is the greatest there and thus should increase the voltage output.

  • @KaneyoriHK
    @KaneyoriHK Před 2 měsíci +1

    We makin it to the antique radio studio with this one

  • @ImNotGam
    @ImNotGam Před 9 měsíci +1

    The fact that you were able to record using the microphone you made, and once you switched to only that I was still able to understand it was insane.

    • @JamiesBrickJams
      @JamiesBrickJams  Před 9 měsíci

      Thanks a lot 😁 I wasn't sure folks would be able to actually hear what I was saying at the end, but glad it came through ok (as messy as it sounds!)

    • @ImNotGam
      @ImNotGam Před 9 měsíci

      I was prepared to need subtitles but no need.

  • @BlockyYT1422
    @BlockyYT1422 Před měsícem +1

    The temptation to push the membrane of the mic while its recording lol

  • @fourtyfivefudd
    @fourtyfivefudd Před 5 měsíci +1

    I love the last microphone you made. You sounds like your an old timey radio announcer

    • @JamiesBrickJams
      @JamiesBrickJams  Před 5 měsíci +2

      Thanks a lot 🙏 Yeah it does have that sort of old timey sound profile a bit!

  • @siristhedragon
    @siristhedragon Před 9 měsíci +1

    It sounds spot-on like an old 1930's radio mic, just needs something to boost the signal and perhaps a pop-filter.

    • @JamiesBrickJams
      @JamiesBrickJams  Před 9 měsíci

      Too right you are - great suggestions! And thanks 😁

  • @speedy19085
    @speedy19085 Před 9 měsíci +4

    have a look at diy perks' diy microphone video. it's not only a great video but also very informative.
    having that said, i really love your videos too

    • @JamiesBrickJams
      @JamiesBrickJams  Před 9 měsíci +1

      Thanks for the recommendation - I'll definitely give his video a look. I love his channel! ♥️

  • @b1bis204
    @b1bis204 Před 9 měsíci

    i fricking love the old microphones on radios back to 45-70

  • @Jayandthegames
    @Jayandthegames Před 9 měsíci +3

    I suggest putting one of those magnet clips that used to be used on old USB cables. I tried doing that for an antenna and it seemed to reduce some of the static in audio, so I wonder if it can do the same for a microphone.

    • @JamiesBrickJams
      @JamiesBrickJams  Před 9 měsíci

      That's really interesting, I'd love to find any way of reducing that noise!

  • @me_is_here760
    @me_is_here760 Před 9 měsíci +1

    i think making the membrane lighter and be suspended on weaker rubber bands might make it better

    • @thenthson
      @thenthson Před 9 měsíci

      So something like waxed paper might work

  • @charlesmoxey8122
    @charlesmoxey8122 Před 9 měsíci

    I kinda like how it sounds. It reminds me of those early 1900s radio microphones

  • @matejkadlec2110
    @matejkadlec2110 Před 9 měsíci +1

    To produce larger signal level, you need few things: First, the magnetic circuit should be as short as possible - the coil has to be very close to the magnet(s), where the magnetic field is strongest. Second, the coil has to have sufficient amount of turns - voltage generated is proportional to number of turns. Third, the membrane has to be very lightweight so the acoustic pressure moves it easily.

  • @Drag0nmaster
    @Drag0nmaster Před 9 měsíci +1

    Scarlet Fire, a Dankpods classic. Love it.

  • @Zantrop64
    @Zantrop64 Před 9 měsíci

    Dynamic mics work really well with really loud sources like orchestras or bass/guitar amps, and for the latter character is probably more important than accuracy

  • @EnorIII
    @EnorIII Před 9 měsíci +1

    I think a smaller, lighter diaphragm could give you higher frequencies. If your diaphragm is big and heavy, you essentially get a natural low pass filter, because more mass doesn't like to move as much, and the bigger area also gives you more air resistance.

  • @blingblingdog6958
    @blingblingdog6958 Před 9 měsíci +2

    It’s like a ww2 mic and makes your voice sound like the old narrating voices

    • @JamiesBrickJams
      @JamiesBrickJams  Před 9 měsíci +1

      Haha it does a bit! Though I don't think anyone wants to hear me narrating anything with this 😂

  • @LevySkulk
    @LevySkulk Před 9 měsíci +1

    I wear a pair of decent audiophile headphones and something about your last mic was occasionally producing the DEEPEST bass i've ever heard. I think it was whenever you would touch the desk? Felt like my brain was going to vibrate out lol

    • @JamiesBrickJams
      @JamiesBrickJams  Před 9 měsíci

      Haha oh man my apologies 😅 I totally know what you mean - I was also using some decent over ear Sony headphones and felt my brain shaking during those pops! I debated cutting them out but figured I'd rather leave it un-doctored. RIP your poor ears

  • @codeyisafk9487
    @codeyisafk9487 Před 2 měsíci +1

    He used the mic in the video recording. The madlad

  • @Yazn8012
    @Yazn8012 Před 9 měsíci +1

    this sounds like old radio broadcasts and i love it

  • @Fixeralex
    @Fixeralex Před 9 měsíci +1

    You could try an microphone amplifier that will make it louder and maybe even clearer.

    • @JamiesBrickJams
      @JamiesBrickJams  Před 9 měsíci +1

      I actually did try that using various amplifiers - even a homemade transformer! But unfortunately they all created a buzzing noise. But that's still a great idea, and I'll continue to work on them - thanks. They'll certainly be needed for the ribbon microphone to work properly

  • @sage5296
    @sage5296 Před 9 měsíci

    I feel like what probably helped the most with the last iteration was physical closeness of the magnet and coil, since the field strength falls off with the square of the distance iirc, having it close makes the signal a lot stronger. This is really cool tho

  • @dillpickle7633
    @dillpickle7633 Před 9 měsíci +6

    Your videos are so professionally edited and made you're going to grow so much.

  • @regav62
    @regav62 Před 9 měsíci +1

    I love the scarlet fire. I need to make this speaker/mic and use the mojo on it

  • @spiderplant
    @spiderplant Před 8 měsíci

    I like how the final result sounds like old-timey radio

  • @glitchtheproto
    @glitchtheproto Před 9 měsíci

    The ending microphone sounds like one of those old ones you'd hear in a commercial

  • @ETG168
    @ETG168 Před 9 měsíci

    I imagine a low-noise preamplifier would help make the signal stronger

  • @malegria9641
    @malegria9641 Před 8 měsíci

    I would suggest surrounding the microphone with foam and using a bit of a high pass filter to reduce both background noise and that low end rumble

  • @235x
    @235x Před měsícem +1

    3:40 That reminds me more of the Connectors from The Talos Principle 1 & 2

  • @limeland
    @limeland Před 9 měsíci +1

    sounds like an old radio which is very interesting

  • @stupidgenius107
    @stupidgenius107 Před měsícem

    Great video! You might try using a thinner lighter membrane. A heavier membrane should vibrate more at lower frequencies and a lighter membrane at higher frequencies. Think about how fast you can shake a beach ball vs how fast you can shake a bowling ball. Maybe a balloon stretched over a frame or something similar would work?

  • @GorgotMM
    @GorgotMM Před 9 měsíci

    A few suggestions:
    1. Try a much lighter or more flexible membrane
    2 Make the coil fit inside the magnet or surrounding the magnet (You want the coil to vibrate between the poles)
    3. Use a shielded cable for as long as possible. Connect the microphone between the ring and the tip pins. Sleeve is the ground.
    4. If you add a pre-amp, you want something like an electric guitar pre-amp, not a microphone one.

    • @JamiesBrickJams
      @JamiesBrickJams  Před 9 měsíci

      All fantastic suggestions, thanks for sharing them! I tried pretty hard to get that coil inside the magnet but really struggled to find the flight fit. But that would have been ideal. Certainly for a future version I'd like to try a better preamp and better membrane materials!

  • @Lego-Electronics-more
    @Lego-Electronics-more Před 9 měsíci

    such a cool concept, I don't really know eny thing about microphones, but that last one actually works pretty well it just has a old sound to it, keep up your amazing work!

    • @JamiesBrickJams
      @JamiesBrickJams  Před 9 měsíci

      Thanks a lot, really appreciate it! 😁 It definitely worked a bit better than expected, but hoping the ribbon mic will be even better

  • @radebrickfansofiabulgaria8768
    @radebrickfansofiabulgaria8768 Před 9 měsíci +1

    This is AMAZING !!!! - it is very interesting blend of tech and Lego

  • @Latex668
    @Latex668 Před 9 měsíci

    you would probably need more turns for louder audio, could maybe use a preamplifier and to remove the noise some copper tape around the mic

  • @mishkamcivor409
    @mishkamcivor409 Před 9 měsíci

    For a dynamic mic like this you won't need any kind of bias voltage, only electret and capacitive mics need a bias voltage, however you could really use a decent pre-amp because the one in your dongle is not designed to be used with such a high impedance low output microphone

  • @SDY_Studios
    @SDY_Studios Před 9 měsíci +1

    That microphone is like ones from 1920s

  • @microwave3497
    @microwave3497 Před 9 měsíci +2

    I cant believe your channel hasn't blown up, this stuff is awesome!

    • @JamiesBrickJams
      @JamiesBrickJams  Před 9 měsíci

      Ha thanks a lot 😁 I'm just happy some folks are getting a kick out of these experiments

  • @andreacarpi2971
    @andreacarpi2971 Před 9 měsíci

    Try twisting the free ends of the coil. This is usually done to limit the electromagnetic interferences which lead to a noise increase!

  • @smcskill5156
    @smcskill5156 Před 9 měsíci

    a thinner membrane like cellophane or a balloon stretched over a ring may give it more response as it will warp easier than a thick material, taking the higher frequencies

    • @JamiesBrickJams
      @JamiesBrickJams  Před 9 měsíci

      Oooh a stretched material over a ring is a great idea - cheers! Might actually give that a try

  • @elliotmarks06
    @elliotmarks06 Před 9 měsíci

    Super cool! Can't wait to see what you do with the ribbon design.

    • @JamiesBrickJams
      @JamiesBrickJams  Před 9 měsíci

      Thanks! Fingers crossed it just works at all 🤞😁

  • @nyatalia
    @nyatalia Před 9 měsíci

    It beats a bunch of webcam microphones I've had over the years, hands down

  • @DarmiGames
    @DarmiGames Před 9 měsíci

    You should definitely use a pre-amplifier. They are used in dynamic microphones (the one you have). It will help with the loudness. Also add a popfilter so you don't blow into the mic. You can maybe move the coil inside the magnet area. You can also try making another coil and connecting them in series (make sure both of the coils are twisted the sane way, for example if the first coil is twisted clockwise, the other one can't be anti-clockwise or else the coils would work against each other and there would be no sound). You can make a box around it with only a wall missing on the front of the microphone and add some padding onto the walls to make it onky pick up your voice and not the surroundings. You can maybe even try to makr a bigger membrane to not make it as tinny and bring more bass. You can then cut the membrane to perfection.
    Hope any of these tips will help you!

    • @JamiesBrickJams
      @JamiesBrickJams  Před 9 měsíci

      Oooh hooking up a couple in series would have been a cool idea! I was struggling to find Lego pieces that fit snugly inside the magnet, but another coil in front in series would have been an easy way of boosting the signal. And I'm sure you're right about a pre amp. I'm seeing if I can find an affordable solution there. Cheers for the advice!

  • @GroupNebula563
    @GroupNebula563 Před 7 měsíci +1

    SO LIKE THIS ONE TIME MATE

  • @zactron1997
    @zactron1997 Před 9 měsíci

    Perhaps you might want to try making a condenser microphone next? It's basically what you've already made, except you use a conductive membrane (like a sheet of copper foil), and a conductive backplane (again, copper foil) instead of a magnet. This creates a capacitor which you can charge with a constant DC power source (a battery).
    As the membrane moves, the capacitance will change, which can then be detected by putting a resistor in series and taking the voltage over it as the signal. In theory it should give a much better frequency response, as you can use a much lighter membrane (no coil of wire in the center).

    • @JamiesBrickJams
      @JamiesBrickJams  Před 9 měsíci +1

      That's a really cool idea, thanks for suggesting! I as vaguely aware of them, but haven't done much research into how they work exactly. Your description sounds reasonably straightforward. Cheers for the tip - I'll certainly look into it some more!

  • @SilverSpade92
    @SilverSpade92 Před 8 měsíci +1

    0:59
    As a Dankpods subscriber, this IS roughly the quality that I am used to.

  • @d2aio
    @d2aio Před 9 měsíci

    awesome video man, hope I see more stuff from you on my recommended videos soon :)

  • @CarrotFarmer
    @CarrotFarmer Před 9 měsíci +1

    These microphones reminded me of Alexander G. Bell's "Box phone". So heres a proposition, Try and recreate Bell's box phone.

  • @devrim-oguz
    @devrim-oguz Před 9 měsíci

    You need a dynamic microphone circuitry between the computer and the microphone

  • @BD_Technic
    @BD_Technic Před 9 měsíci +1

    This is just pure awesomeness!

  • @the20aratesses82
    @the20aratesses82 Před 9 měsíci

    this is so incredible . it looks like an microphone from the 90 or the 80 its so incredible!

  • @___aZa___
    @___aZa___ Před 9 měsíci

    Put a Metal Housing around the coil and the magnet.
    I could bet, that there is a significant amount of electromagnetic background noise.
    (that should improve some of the static)

  • @soldnerdose9257
    @soldnerdose9257 Před 9 měsíci +1

    Love the audio series so far! ❤ Anyway, i have a little bit of experience with microphones. There are tons of different kinds and technologies you should read yourself into but these are the tips that i got, that may help.
    First i think experimenting with ribbon or string microphones is a step forward but you can also achieve good results with membrane microphones. As you saw a good and big but stiff membrane should get the job done, atleast i believe so, because you want to have a good range of frequency and so far your last design sounded good but i think there were not enough low frequencies and it therefore sounded like an old iphone speaker. And stiff because you want to get rid of afterbounce and background noises of course. I beliefe that helps
    I think you should also cover the microphone with a fine piece of cloth! Especially at the front. That should help with the background noises aswell and also act as a pop filter, so you don't get those high bass pops everythime, especially when you say the letter P in any sentence.
    And it may help looking at non self powered microphones, where your device, like your PC gives power to the microphone, like via USB signal and the frequency waves get rectified onto the power signal, so that the signal frequency is modulated to contain the audio, which should give you the ability to justify the volume of the microphone.
    Hope that helps

    • @JamiesBrickJams
      @JamiesBrickJams  Před 9 měsíci

      Woah thanks for replying with so much detail - really appreciate you taking the time! I'd love to experiment with a membrane microphone. By that, do you mean like a condenser microphone? A pop filter is certainly an easy fix I can add to it! And agree, I think it makes sense to deliver power to boost the signal. To be honest, I'm not too familiar with how that circuitry works, but I'm sure it's relatively straightforward - will look into it some more. Cheers!

    • @soldnerdose9257
      @soldnerdose9257 Před 9 měsíci

      @@JamiesBrickJams Yes that is the type of micrphone that i was talking about. Allthough Ribbon or String microphones are generally used for radio station etc., atleast i heard so, condenser microphones are usually all around us, like normal Tablestand microphones. There also exists a type of microphone with large Membranes, which usually are these weird conference microphones, you see in conference rooms a lot. These that look like small ufo's for example.
      I think that is as far as my knowledge goes.

  • @ryanxu9983
    @ryanxu9983 Před 9 měsíci

    I cant wait for the part 2, if there is one. Im invested

    • @JamiesBrickJams
      @JamiesBrickJams  Před 8 měsíci

      Aw thanks! Still messing with it, but cautiously optimistic

  • @RansbyJohan
    @RansbyJohan Před 9 měsíci

    Maybe a thinner membrane and a microphone preaamp with a low noise floor? I have combined microphones myself, and wathching this made me want to design my own from scratch! Thank you so much, very inspirering!! :D

    • @RansbyJohan
      @RansbyJohan Před 9 měsíci

      Ohh you live in Copenhagen - I live on Bornholm, let me know if I can be at any help! :)

  • @kreuner11
    @kreuner11 Před 9 měsíci

    yeah, you need a mic to combo speaker/mic adapter for it to work on your laptop, no dongle needed

  • @orionjackcortez
    @orionjackcortez Před 9 měsíci

    Try parchment paper as a membrane. Or feed the coil hovering in the center of a donut shaped magnet

  • @callalamatt
    @callalamatt Před 9 měsíci

    A lot of good mics will often have signal processing using one close mic and one far away mic, then using a differential amplifier to only give you the difference, idealy that'd be your voice. Also various different mechanical filters can be applied if you feel like doing it physically rather than with software - 3rd Year Engineering
    Love what you're doing here, it's a fun watch

    • @JamiesBrickJams
      @JamiesBrickJams  Před 9 měsíci +1

      Thanks a lot! Glad it's still interesting to an engineer, as basic as it is. I'll certainly give an amp a try on the next version. Would love to learn more about physical amps though too. I like the idea of minimal 'assistance'

  • @uniixxofficial
    @uniixxofficial Před 7 měsíci

    - 4:33, you need to have shielded wires (wires insulated by a first coasting, metal mesh or film, and then a thicker final coating, creating what resembles a speaker or headphone wire at the least). Also, you would need a pre-amplifier to boost the initial signal, ensuring that that will both be shielded and offer a unclipped, undistorted, and still loud enough signal to at least be decently recognisable.
    - 4:39, thinner wire tends to catch more residual signal and for higher voltage and lower current, thicker being for lower voltage yet higher current.
    - 8:09, the signal is clearer due to the placement of the coil within a magnet, being closer and of more effect when generating Eddie currents through the coil.
    just three helpful tips :>

    • @uniixxofficial
      @uniixxofficial Před 7 měsíci

      also, that little piece of adhesive on the coil at 8:39 is restricting some of the physical movement of the coil within the ring magnet.

  • @willifan
    @willifan Před 9 měsíci

    Electronics hobbyist here, I graduated the german equivalent of highschool this year and will start studying electrical engineering soon and am quite invested in it already.
    One thing that would most definitely improve the sound quality is adding a pre amp. Capturing audio will always add noise and when you amplify the audio in post you also amplify the noise floor, this is called signal to noise ratio and by making the input signal louder aka adding a pre amp you can increase the signal to noise ratio and thus decrease the noise in your recording. This would most likely remove the need for noise reduction in post.
    Something else I am not very familiar with, but would look into, is the resonance frequency of the membrane, that being the frequency the membrane naturally tries to vibrate at and thus where the microphone is the most sensitive. The resonance frequency of you designs is probably pretty low, meaning it picks up low frequencies well but everything else not so much. Again I am not very familiar with the mechanical side of things so I am not sure how to solve this best.

    • @JamiesBrickJams
      @JamiesBrickJams  Před 9 měsíci

      Howdy! And cheers for your comment - that was very helpful 😁 I'm sure you're right about a better preamp. That audio dongle I was using probably wasn't doing much of anything. Will certainly give that a try in a future version! Also you're totally right about the cardboard membrane - it's likely dampening things an awful lot. Here's hoping the ribbon microphone will do a better job 🤞🤞

  • @Nugget11578
    @Nugget11578 Před 9 měsíci

    You could make a metal mesh cage around the entire mic to reduce some of the noise, probably

    • @JamiesBrickJams
      @JamiesBrickJams  Před 9 měsíci

      I considered that! But figured it'd look kinda ugly - Terrible reason I know 😅 But worth exploring, thanks 🙏

  • @rag3parsley_420
    @rag3parsley_420 Před 9 měsíci

    you could make the plate for the microphone alot thinner and maybe itll sound better, but you also might want to make it smaller

    • @JamiesBrickJams
      @JamiesBrickJams  Před 9 měsíci

      For sure, that's a good point. I'm sure it can be a lot smaller if I can increase the sensitivity or use a preamp!

  • @szczur03
    @szczur03 Před 8 měsíci +1

    Better than the pilot's mic on an airplane, that's for sure

  • @LevySkulk
    @LevySkulk Před 9 měsíci

    Others have mentioned some important things, a pre-amp is going to be a necessity. Some design tips as well, if you can make the membrane lighter and thinner without compromising it's strength much, I would absolutely investigate that. instead of elastics, try something like fishing wire to suspend the diaphragm, you actually don't want things to be too "bouncy" and I believe fishing wire may be the perfect blend of flexible and stiff for this application.
    I think your final design of having the coil near the middle of the magnet was really good, consider the direction of the field lines vs the direction you're wanting to induce a current. You generally want the magnetic field to be moving orthogonal to the direction you want the coil to generate current, which is perfect in your final setup, you may want to experiment with sinking the coil in further or making the coil longer, passing through more of the center of the magnet.

  • @Gambiarte
    @Gambiarte Před 9 měsíci

    In order to have high speed/frequency you need low mass.
    Try a thinner membrane.

  • @montygrail13
    @montygrail13 Před 9 měsíci

    I might be a little late and off on my understanding of audio/vibration frequencies but, for what I understand if you were to use a large rectangle diaphragm and offset your coil with a 1/3-2/3 on both axis it should capture more frequencies than a large circle. I liked seeing you distance the magnets and coil from the diaphragm though, good idea!

    • @JamiesBrickJams
      @JamiesBrickJams  Před 9 měsíci +1

      Ah thanks, I've no idea if that was a good idea or not, but it seemed to work ok. That's an interesting idea to offset the coil - will need to run a few more tests I think!

  • @madcatmk213
    @madcatmk213 Před 9 měsíci

    you could use the circular bit that comes inside old floppy disks, (or make one from the same material)

    • @JamiesBrickJams
      @JamiesBrickJams  Před 9 měsíci

      Ha wow that's actually a really cool idea 💡 Thanks for the suggestion!

  • @JimMilton-ej6zi
    @JimMilton-ej6zi Před 9 měsíci

    Thinking quickly, Jamie constructs a homemade microphone, using only some rubber bands, Legos, and microphone parts.

  • @f0rg
    @f0rg Před 9 měsíci

    I think you should use some light and thin materials, like thin paper or plastic

  • @StonecypherG
    @StonecypherG Před 8 měsíci +1

    This reminds me of the very early stages of microphone from the 1920s

    • @JamiesBrickJams
      @JamiesBrickJams  Před 8 měsíci +1

      It does sound like one of those old relics 😁

  • @lightknightgames
    @lightknightgames Před 9 měsíci

    I think a thinner membrane would improve legibility, other than that, maybe having a larger coil around the magnet?

  • @nekominorinya2569
    @nekominorinya2569 Před 9 měsíci

    this is such a nice microphone, it sounds like you are a radiohost from the 1920s, amazing

    • @JamiesBrickJams
      @JamiesBrickJams  Před 9 měsíci

      Haha thanks a lot 😁 Definitely an odd sound profile!

  • @mcfloppy413
    @mcfloppy413 Před 9 měsíci

    If you put a small capacitor in the line, it should reduce some of the noise.

    • @JamiesBrickJams
      @JamiesBrickJams  Před 9 měsíci

      Huh that's interesting.. I'll see if I have any small ceramics lying around. Cheers!

  • @annaz927
    @annaz927 Před 8 měsíci

    You should make a whole video with this microphone that you made from Lego

    • @JamiesBrickJams
      @JamiesBrickJams  Před 8 měsíci +1

      That was the original plan, but the quality I thought would annoy people 😅 We'll see how the ribbon microphone turns out tho!

  • @RuijsNL
    @RuijsNL Před 9 měsíci

    This is so cool!

  • @dano2169
    @dano2169 Před 9 měsíci

    Imagine a collaboration between you and @DIYPerks, he's made a DIY mic as well although using some off the shelf components

    • @JamiesBrickJams
      @JamiesBrickJams  Před 9 měsíci

      Jeez that'd be the dream, the quality of his builds is nuts!

  • @InfVR
    @InfVR Před 9 měsíci

    Tho I do not entirely know how a microphone's internals look, I do have at least one we could take apart to see what is inside and try to recreate it with Legos.

  • @MinecraftAndRetroPCs
    @MinecraftAndRetroPCs Před 9 měsíci

    Last one looked like an inside a hard disk

  • @cetomedo
    @cetomedo Před 9 měsíci

    The end result is like an actually usable microphone with quality genuinely comparable to really old professional microphones used in radio broadcasts, which is insane. A big part of that is probably the noise cancellation, but regardless considering how much of a limitation you have, that thing has no right to be as good as it is.

    • @JamiesBrickJams
      @JamiesBrickJams  Před 9 měsíci

      Aw thanks a bunch, appreciate your comment 😁 There's definitely massive room for improvement, but I was just as surprised to see just how easy a basic microphone really is! Certainly easy for anyone to make in an afternoon with minimal parts

  • @AleixoAlonso
    @AleixoAlonso Před 8 měsíci

    08:00 There you have it. Now you can understand why in the 20s and 30s people talked funny on the radio! Because microphones just weren't as good then. You can hear high-pitched voices much more easily than bass. This is also why the transatlantic accent was so popular during the time; it was easier to understand dialog over the radio :)

    • @JamiesBrickJams
      @JamiesBrickJams  Před 8 měsíci

      That's so interesting an entire accent can be influenced by something like that!

  • @theangrycrow3504
    @theangrycrow3504 Před 9 měsíci +1

    you should decently try make a headset next for the complete setup

    • @JamiesBrickJams
      @JamiesBrickJams  Před 9 měsíci +1

      That's totally doable ... A bit challenging to make it interesting though. Certainly worth trying!

    • @theangrycrow3504
      @theangrycrow3504 Před 9 měsíci

      An over ear design would sertanly be the easiest way to go, As the speaker it's elf can be much larger.
      If you wanted to make it an extra challenge instead of two drivers you could have 4 (2 for highs and 2 for lows) placing the lows in front closer to the ear, as they would be most likely much large than the highs.

  • @armedandredee
    @armedandredee Před 8 měsíci

    Years of 12v audio experience (car audio). The most important thing to remember is your membranes weight/surface area ratio. For input, you want as light as possible while covering as much surface area as possible. Make the membrane out of something thin, light, and durable (think like a piece of one of those clear notebook dividers or something) keep it suspended and about the same size as your original. Next, make your coils tighter. Go down on your inner diameter. Should allow you many more turns, especially with that thin stuff. Your goal is to produce the highest amount of fluctuation, regardless of the actual voltage. For example a low of 1v and a high of 10v is better for input than let's say a low of 5v and a high of 12v. That 2v difference isn't worth the range of audio you will get with the lower voltages. Hope all that makes sense. And my voltage #s are from out of thin air, so take it as an example.

    • @JamiesBrickJams
      @JamiesBrickJams  Před 7 měsíci

      That totally makes sense, really appreciate you sharing these recommendations! For a future version I'll certainly try a thin coil with many windings. As much as I hate dealing with thin wire, I might even go thinner than 38 gauge to get those windings up 😬 Cheers!

  • @scruffy3121
    @scruffy3121 Před 9 měsíci

    Love this project. My thought would be, a lighter membrane would catch more treble. I don't really think that the size of the membrane is that important (compared to weight and suspension).

    • @JamiesBrickJams
      @JamiesBrickJams  Před 9 měsíci

      True yeah, lighter is probably what's needed! Also, thanks 😁

  • @kidsalex13
    @kidsalex13 Před 9 měsíci

    You might want to try using a transistor like the 2N4416 to boost the audio naturally, so you don't have to in software.

  • @swgclips03
    @swgclips03 Před 9 měsíci +1

    You could make your own 1910s microphone with this.

    • @JamiesBrickJams
      @JamiesBrickJams  Před 9 měsíci

      Haha true, it already sounds like it's from that decade!

    • @swgclips03
      @swgclips03 Před 9 měsíci

      I know it's weird to ask (and I haven't had time to finish the full video), but could you do a mini-tutorial or whatever on how to make a 'bad' microphone with this? I want to hear Edison wax cylinder quality sound, y'know.

  • @kuuhgle
    @kuuhgle Před 8 měsíci

    You not only need a preamp, but the cable and coil needs to be shielded, otherwise you pick up noise from outside. So the whole coil/magnet assembly needs to be in a metal cage, and the wire to the preamp needs to be shielded.
    Also try buying a high grade N52 magnet, those have a stronger field, you can put one on the other side of the coil as well to double the field strength.
    You also want the membrane to be very light, I would use paper instead of cardboard.
    These mods should increase the output quality a huge amount.

    • @JamiesBrickJams
      @JamiesBrickJams  Před 8 měsíci +1

      A wire shield would have been a great idea, cheers! And you're right, it seems a better preamp is needed. The magnet I believe was an n52, but a larger one for sure could help