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This is the right process to create a psytrance bass, and it's fortunate that some people know how to do it. There are so many CZcams tutorials teaching techniques that don't suit this genre.
There are different solutions and each has it's own flavour.
I don't think these videos are getting boring. This one is fascinating, when I started making trance in 1994 we never considered the science of sound at all, things are so different now, at 52 I still love trance music production
Ah, science is a two way solution/problem. It makes us solve some problems, but also it can get more then needed and can kill creativity.
I know the feeling "this must be boring for others". That is often not the case.
Thank you for this valuable tip. I'm wating for your next lesson. ;-)
Marko, you're a fucking MASTER!!! Thanks to share with us all these tutorials...
I'm waiting for your next videos making your next song ;)
I love this! I don’t have bluecat, but would love to have it someday. But this definitely helps my summing problem that I’ve had. Now I can increase the overlapping bass a bit more so I get that rolling bass without the summing! 👍👍👍
Don't mess around, we have one of the absolute Legends teaching us!! Like-share and effeng subscribe!!
this is a really good way of doing it!
I was working on a track with a friend a while back..
& he used this method.. & there was also a snare in that project that was called e-clip xD
Now I know where that came from & how he knows about this. he did a masterclass with you
Amazing bro thanks 🙏🏻
1 small note 😊 this is actually not aligment but un-alignment... when they are perfectly aligned we get the sum problem ❤
Well you are no aligning saw, you align sine, as you can only alight the first harmonic of the bass with a kick. And if you take out all other harmonics, you will get sinewave!
Don't give up on technical topics!!!
That does sounds perfect, I can hear that all day.✌🏼
Cool technique and easy to understand. Not boring at all! Thanks for sharing your knowledge.
thanks a lot E-clip ..lets try this
hi mate ..i do something similar to this sometimes with my basslines tho i was never expert in psytrance hehe..E-Mantra salutes you
Day Din has a similar approach in his masterclass, but he puts a lowcut on the first 16th Bass. It makes sense that you say it´s worse because of the Phase Change when doing a lowcut. So your aproach with just reducing the first Harmonic, seems much more logical.
Thanks again for those professional Tipps.
Ah, didn’t know he use 1/16s for the bass, i tought he use only 1/8 😉
@@EClipChannel was in his track:" Action Jackson" together with Waio. One of his few 16th Bassline tracks 😁
wow this is some next level stuff
When a master of the art tells us about his mistakes. Even today after how many decades?^^ Important message actually. Well done Video
Gracias 🙏❤️💯 this Is the best way because in psytrance base has 3 notes, so instead of reducing the kick reduce the first base AND kick Will still be powrful
Great tutorial. And it makes a lot of sense, since in the end it is the fundamental of that first low velocity bass note that causes problem and needs to be aligned with the tail of the kick. And as you well said, no need to tune your kick to the fundamental of your bass, which is great thing, especially in tracks with lower key.
In addition, when you follow the phase alignment procedure, in the end it will add up with the kick, resulting in more overall subs, which is not necessarily desirable.
Great ideas e great video!!!
Thank you!
Almost all videos on 5his subject are dealing with down beat tempo kicks.
I never saw som showing how to do the same with a bar full 9f swingged sincopated kicks on it...
I'll try to do that...(not a video)
I'm looking forward to the next videos
Welcome back!!! Thanks for this tutorial!!! It's way simpler yet super effective... sometimes less is more!
I realised that the most of the times “The less is More”
I absolutely love your tutorials because of the way go into scientific detail explaining the reasons for your sound design choices
Awsome Master . Thank You
So simple but so effective Thank you.
Awesome thanks alot
First time i hear about this kind of '' alignment ''. Interesting technique! Thanks for sharing!
Your tutorials are never boring!! Top tutorial as usual!! Cheers
Marko, confinement made me start to learn music production last year and you are the closest thing i've had resembling a teacher. Although I follow a bunch of channels, you are especially inspiring and your teaching method is awesome, as you focus on making us learn on our own. You could simply make patches/specific sound tutorials and then share them with us but you prefer to dig deep into the process of doing something instead of the results, which is quite amazing in my opinion. Personally, I have liked every tutorial for now. Although they were more difficult to follow when I started my (for now) short journey into production, with a bit of research on my own about certain concepts, soon I appreciated the technical complexity that you want to reduce in the following videos.
I am not telling you that you shouldn't change the tone or depth of your tutorials, but be aware that little people out here on youtube go as professional as you, and is something that we, newbies, are eager for. However I trust in your decision making and this change will be certainly for good. Im eager to hear what you have to say about other not so technical topics. PS: As a graduate in Linguistics with a Masters in Teaching, I praise you for your really good English, your teaching methodology, and the wisdom and insight you give us. Thank you very, very much.
Thank you very much!
I know my tutorials are a bit hard to follow, but the reason i started making thos tutorials is because i couln’t find anywhere “advanced music production techniques”. Mosto of the channels are teaching the begginer level and almost all of them have the same comnect. I am looking for advanced processes that i couldn’t fond on youtube. I want to tech only advanced level, as the begginer level i passed long time ago.
Mate, if you're looking for other content creators who also provide quality tutorials on youtube regarding psytrance, check out Dash Glitch, Homegrown Audio (aka Tron), ollie music, Kalamour VJ, Klaada, Projektor, Claritone Audio, Saša Dukić (aka PsiloCybian), Marula Music (aka Protoculture/Shadow Chronicles) in no specific order, these guys are top notch all of them.. some well known artists too as you see, you'll find all the different levels of expertise in their stuff. I hope it helps you to get even better! :)
Hereby thanks for Marko as well, to provide great tutorials for us! Best time to be a psytrance "bedroom producer" :)
Really good tip more of it please
9:20 you can just do this while designing the bass in the synth. You can just remove the first fundamental in the wave editor.
You can if you use 2 VSTs, 1 for the first note, and the second for the other 2.
Anyway, there are a lot of ways how this can be achieved. The point is not how, but what to do.
Thanks for sharing bro. By far one of the best and simple kick and bass mixing technique.
Nice one. Another cool way that is similar to the second technique you showed is to lower the first bass note with a multiband volume shaper, like Shaperbox.
I've been saying the same thing here...
So many "ducking" plugins that are useful but I think that three ways are useful to get rid of phase issues between bass and kicks.
1- Phase align - if this can fix, why not? The surgical method takes some time and demands a lot of willpower. And if your bassline has more than 1 single note, you'll notice that each note has a different wave cycle time, of course...
...so, your "phase alignment" will be lost unless you change the kick pitch and the bass pitch together.
2- Dynamic EQ, precise and isolated on bass, use to be the best, but if you have a Soul rhythm (not that 1 kick hit by tempo bar) and a musical bassline (not that one-note Chinese torture), you'll have some problems, too. Because the fundamental note of the bass will change constantly.
3- Ducking. The Bazooka fixing style. Don't kill the reaches, turn the building down...
1 - phase align, why not?
- with perfectly aligning you will create a boost on summing area.
2 - dynamic eq - you can solve that with the sidechaining the low shelf and triggered by kick
3 - ducking - don’t have a clue what do you mean!
@@EClipChannel It seems you didn't understand a word.
Sorry, I was not as clear as I thought.
I am just confirming your tutorial.
About "ducking"...duck level or frequency range.
@@marceloribeirosimoes8959 there is “kick & bass alignment 2” video as well. You can check that one as well.
@@EClipChannel Sure!
I'll take a look, of corse.
Thanx a lot!!!
@@marceloribeirosimoes8959 czcams.com/video/FTzq17y7nvY/video.html
Thanks so much!
Very nice, now i found my mistake i had boost in this area between 50hz till 100hz and i was wondering from where it comes and it was sounding with a lot of boxiness my bassline, the low end was not tight as it should be, big difference and great fix 🙏 thanks again Marko
:)
man u just saved a lot of years
Thank you!!
Your experience benefits us all, great tutorial!.
I purpose a different approach regarding to canceling the first harnonic (in serum):
open the wavetable editor, click on wavetable to FFT, lower the first harmonic all the way down and that's it!
This technique allows better control on wave characteristics and harmonics.
If you do that, than you will reduce forst harmonic on all 3 notes. If that is what you want than fine, but I prefere to reduce the first harmonic only on the first note od the bass.
@@EClipChannel after lowering the first harmonic the waveshape will change.
then automating the first note on this waveshape and the other notes on the standard/unmodified waveshape (using WT. position) would do the trick 😀.
@@DorWD Yes, but with reducing the harmonic the phase will change, so you will have the first note with a different phasing than others. I don't say that is wrong, but I prefer to have the same phase on all notes. Thats the only reason why I don't apply the technique you use.
That shit is next level. I am obsessed with getting this right.
@@EClipChannel I'd just keep all those techniques in mind, because you can have happy accidents depending on your kick and bass.
I swear I read Kick Ass Alignment lmao
Cheers from a brazilian producer man, stay safe!
xaxaxaxx
nice video bro... i saw this trick from some israeli artists and it s nice u want to share this great techniques whit all.... the knoledges must to be share with all. well done!
That is the point. What I learned in 18 years, I want to pass as soon as possible to others, so that someone else can extend my knowledge to the next level!
Wow..thanks so much for share your knowledge With US!
thank you
looking forward for your videos! 🙏 thank you so much for sharing your knowledge
Great content thankx m8 💪👍🏻
thanks a lot.
i spend hours on aligning the phase, and at the end become unsatisfied with the result, since the sound of K&B has changed as well
Forget about that, to much work for not so good results!
It's good, but it would be better if you give a sample of how to create the kick and bass. in the different tools
Nice Tutorial, as always. I really appreciate that you do these tutorials and share your knowledge with us. Keep doing these, it aalways motivates me to produce.
Thanks for the nice Tutorial! Another easy way of doing this would be with e.g. the EQ 'Frequency 2' from Cubase 11 - which now has a sidechain option, so you can simply duck the 1st harmonic of the first bassnote by sidechaining it with the kick
czcams.com/video/FTzq17y7nvY/video.html
Awesome stuff mate! Thanks so much for all your great videos!
If you make your bass in serum you could do this straight from the synth. Just remove the first harmonic from the wavetable editor, add a sine from sub oscillator that will be your first harmonic and with an LFO set to 1/4 reduce its volume for the first note. Or you could use some multiband dynamic sidechained to the kick to only lower the low-end of the bass. I usually used this a lot for making KBBB instead of KbBB, so I could keep the presence of the first bass note without boosting all the low-end
And if bass is not from Serum??? Like I mentioned in the video, this bass is from Sylent!
@@EClipChannel as I wrote, in alternative to serum you could use a multiband dynamic side chained on the Kick. But you could do the same in sylenth...OSC1 saw wave, OSC2 sine wave with reversed phase...more volume you put on OSC2 and less of the first harmonic you have as you going to cancel it with the reversed phase sine wave. I don't understand why you call this video alignment, you take out -6dB, then you lower even more the volume with LFO tool, then you lower the first harmonic of the first bass...your first bass note has no information on the low end that need to be aligned to the kick.This what you are showing can be very useful if you have many notes on the bass as it will be impossible to align the different notes with the kick - because of the different wavelength - but in this case I prefer to do it straight from the synth...or you have to change eq every time you change pitch on the bass.
Awesome I'm really looking forward to the coming tutorials and the new music from you :-)
Ja også mig! 😁🤟🏼
thanks a lot for sharing your knowledge
perfect .thanks
YOU ROCK...........
good video bro ! usefull even for forest and dark, well done !
I bought cable guys volume shaper for multiband lfo. I used to low cut the first note with linier phase on a second channel but its too slow and no good for melodic bass. Lfo tool has frequency split but it changes phase of all bass notes. Volume shaper doesn't seem to do this and now i am getting pro kick bass with nice mellodic bass. Peace
Interesting, just it will be great to test how does it react ob the low end phase!
Great Explanation i wonder how this could be used on EDM more house bass where the fundamental keeps changing
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@@EClipChannel do you put shaperbox or Lfo tools after or before the pro MB
czcams.com/video/hkTUVnJKsB0/video.html I tried to get the phase looking good like here but didnt work with this method any thoughts ?
perfect as always
Thank you1
I totally agree. I always do this. It's life savior. But i use this technique with an another way. I reduce/remove the first harmonic from the bass directly from wavetable synth harmonic graph and then i rendered into sample after all the processing.
If you do it from Serum, than it will change the phase also!
@@EClipChannel so the only way to avoid phase changing is to reduce the first harmonic with a bell eq?
@@ctrl4OFFICIAL You don't need to worry about the phase, but I do. I give a bit of attention to the phase, and it is not true that every eq is a phase shift. There are ways to manipulate audio signals without changing phase.
@@ctrl4OFFICIAL No, eq doesn't change the phase always. I'm sorry but you are wrong here. It depens from what type of eq you use. And i desagre also about the phase of the kick and the bass relationship. I always spend sometime to get something i desire. Modern psytrance industry focus on that. Even without the first harmonic from the bass slight changes to the kick cycles change the sound. Not as much as with first bass harmonic exists but a small change happens.
There are much better ways to show you knowledge instead of being this rude and trying to insult me. But before all, you should check what is LINEAR PHASE in order that we can continue talking about this topic. When you try LINEAR PHASE, you will realise that there is a way to EQ without changing the phase ;)
But this is the last time I replay to you because of your attitude.
Nice Work 🙏
Thnx for the tip , i think till now you covered basics about making kick and bass , pls make tutorial about mastering kick and bass , thnx
Sorry but there is no such a thing, at least to my knowledge. Mastering whole track is the only way i know of.
I just realised that the SM9 are 3k a speaker!
Damn son!
Красавчик продолжай братка!!!!
Thank you so mutch for this!!! I finally understand it!!!🙏🏽 but...just one Thing...so im 100%...should I cut the lowest harmonic with liner phase or zero? You say liner phase bud use zero in the video😅🤷🏽♂️🙏🏽 and do you then use liner phase on the main base channel after or zero?🙏🏽 Again..love this approach! And love your content and music!🙏🏽 so helpfull!
Don’t cut it, reduce it.
@@EClipChannel sorry i ment reduce not cut. In liner phase? Or zero latency? in fab pro q 2
making a kick and bass here I bought megascope yesterday
no need to buy megascope. use PSYSCOPE
@@aidennymes6335 ye 4 10$ super amazing scope)also send me NoopenGL version.Why a megasc more popular i dont understand
@@aidennymes6335 win only, but you can use BomShankaMachines' free OccularScope it's a good one for the price, works on win/mac. Still Oszillos is the best scope on the market for multi channel use... and the best looking as well ;)
Psyscope has mac version?
@@trox6512 No, win only. I asked the dev once, he said maybe, but not a priority for now...
Hey Marko, just found you via this video. Tbh, that's a very interesting technique that I haven't tried out myself yet, will go back to studio and see if it solves my low-end problem. Btw, I was wondering if you could make a video on mixing (and maybe mastering) a whole track? I think I got my production side in a good spot now but I really struggle to get my mixes to a commercial level and this holds me back. I don't mind if you would start a Patreon for more advanced content, if there are other producers out there who would appreciate information on that topic.
All of those videos are kind of mixing techniques. It's not possible to make 1 video about mixing, as mixing I was learning for 18 years, and just lately I can say that I came to the point that gives me satisfied reoults.
Learning to mix Psytacne is a looong looong path.
At least it was for me.
@@EClipChannel Wow, that puts things in perspective for me. I've been making music for 6 years now (I make house music) and I was planning to get from okay mixes to pro mixes in 1-2 years from now. I think it's doable but requires aggressive practice and learning at increased rate. I feel like I know good fundamentals by now but am missing some advanced techniques to help me take mixes to a new level and this knowledge is pretty hard to source. I am a visual learner and definitely like learning from watching videos. But I also think a lot of mixing challenges can be prevented or solved at the source - meaning that sound selection, design and arrangement play very important role. I think I still have a lot to learn in that department. Thanks for the vid!
@@jamesblack993 don't get me wrong, but mixing house music you can get in advanced level in 1-2 years, Psy-trance, maybe but it will require much more time than house music. (I do mixing and mastering form many house people,. and for me, it's just much much easier than psytrance.) My pro colleagues that also do mixing/mastering professionally says the same thing when you lear to mix psytrance, all other genres are much easier to mix.
We can check together nothing happen.... SOunds the same, Oscillations K&B are the same. It's like a Dj turning up a knob but nothing changes.
But still a good content video.
Oh it does happen!!!
Nice technique.thanks for the video.i am curious bit though...dont you Already mess with the bass note phase when you use the fabfilter and decreasing its 1st harmonic ? i mean this is probably why it sits in the grid with the kick that good,because its Not a random harmonic so the phase can change in the wrong position , its the exact note's phase so it aligns perfectly.Nice videos mate,keep it up ! Thank you for sharing.
Ah. I wish I could simply answer your question, but it’s an answer that requires a whole video to answer it properly.
psy trance is so intense. and i’m a d&b head
Dear Marco.
Thanks for all of the impressive knowledge you're sharing with us!
Do you think this technic will be suited for a melodic Bass notes as well?
All the best.
Aploslutlly!
how to make a replace of pitch shifter in ableton?
That's a very nice technique. I think this can be applied using a multiband sidechain like Cableguys VolumeShaper too right? Great content!
Thank you for this video. Very helpful as always! One question though: You said something about using the linear phase mode of the equalizer but it was set to zero latency in this example. Is that actually something you have to worry about or is it not that important?
Thanks man,
Cheers
Personally, I do not care about pre-ringing that zero latency is making, but I don't want to teach others something that is based on my personal belief. It is against the industry standards, but I really never had a problem with it. So I decided to say something that is correct, but in my production, I do not care about it, as I never felt it was causing me problems.
To be more specific, and to avoid any debate or misunderstanding, Linear Phase is causing pre-ringing. The Zero-latency is changing the phase. But it is really important how steep low cut is, on 6 dB/oct , 12 dB/oct and 24 dB/oct, all of those things are really in small portions, that small that I don't care about them, as those effects I never managed to hear. If you use 96 dB/oct low cut on zero latency mode, the phase will be much changed, or if you use lowcut 96dB/oct on linear-phase mode, it will make a much louder pre-ringing. So instead of being careful of phase change, and loud pre-ringing, I decided to never use more than 24 dB/Oct, and I won't have any problems. And it works really well for me.
@@EClipChannel Yeah that makes a lot of sense. Thank you!
thx Marko o/
🙌🏼🎹
Marko, What do you think about use PHP in the first 1/16 bass to a best align with king after the phase changes in Zero Latency Mode.
I know its a small thing to worry but I only curious about your thought.
Thank you a alot for your knoloedge, affort and your patience.
Making the phase shifit is a process to makes the flow of the whole lowend sequence. having one note will break that cycle and it wont result to make kick and bass better sounding. There are not right and wrong, but personally I would avoid this technique.
Why only the first harmonic? Can the 2. Or the 3. Not cause phase issues aswell?
How? If you measure the kick frequency on the part where it align with the bass, you’ll see that its inder 70hz on most cases.
Just curious what you would do when changing the key of the bassline? Say the track changes from F to G, do you just make another bass channel and repeat the process for the harmonic of the new key?
Open it and move the frequency tovthat harmonic, check the Kick & Bass Alignment 2 video, also really good techinqe
@@EClipChannel thanks for answer, in 10 years of making basslines I never thought of doing something like this but it works really nice for sure
Does the size of the room maters for hearing the low frequencys corectly. What is the size of you room?
Amazing content bro... very valuable tip!!! Thanks a lot for share it! I Have one question though... When I´m doing a Woobing Bass, with some LFO automation, or Square Bass, with some legato and pitching movement, do I need to align them with Kick as well? And how do I convert them to audio, being that one note depends on other, and I can´t do it individually as a typical rolling bass?
This technique will be better in that case czcams.com/video/FTzq17y7nvY/video.html
and you don't need to bounce in audio if it's easier for you that way. mostly for rolling basslines, i bounce to audio as it sounds better when all the notes are the same!
I have one strange issue (ableton user)
I tried to add pha 979 and later i add lfo tool.
But the problem is that as soon i add lfo tool after pha 979 the graphical spectrum is screwed completly. Kick shows up somewhere in the middle of the spectrum which is weird.
Even with the delay i couldn't fix it.
So i can't cut the 2. Note with the lfo tools..
Do you know how to fix that??
You can’t fix it. That is the huge Ableton problem, as Ableton is terible in delay compensation.
The “work around” option is that you trigger LFO tool with a new midi note which will be in the same possition as the kick. (Note Retrig) should be on
@@EClipChannel ahhhh thanks!
how are you determining the reduction in db for the first bass note? Just to create the galloping sound to taste? Or does that also come into the kick and bass relationship. Cheers
That is another topic, that would be more in topic how do i sidechain the bass to creat a different grooves. And that you can see as well in this video. Firsnt bass not on -6 db + lfo tool!
Why not just move the first note of the base over, and line the phase with the kick? That's the way i do it.
Move the note will change the groove. Second thing is that the oscilations need to match, and if they are same then it would be fine, but if they are not the same then it wouldn’t do any good.
Marko one question, What studio monitors do you have? Thanks bro 👏
Focal Sm9
Starts at 2:33
IF I CAN'T HEAR A DIFFERENCE WHY WHOULD I DO AN EXTRA WORK FOR THE SAME RESULT?
I don't know why would you do anything. I never said that you should do anything. In those videos, I am trying to show the processes that I do and the techniques that I apply. If someone like the results I get, they can see how I come to that point. What are you going to do, It's totally up to you. When it comes to sound design, mixing, and generally all processes regarding the audio, nothing is mandatory. There are unlimited ways to get the results you are looking for.
This does a world of a difference..
Thanks Marko so much! But one question! So, we are removing 1st harmonic from the 2/16 bass, but we are put new one harmonic (from the kick) to free place! In other words we change phase of the 1st harmonic of the bass, if the pitch of the bass and bassbody of kick are equal. So we can get a different waveforms of bass tail in 2/16 and 3/16, 4/16 bass notes! Is it good for kick&bass sound? If we are aligning kick and bass with your standard tutorial, we have a similar bass tails (2/16, 3/16, 4/16) but now we could get a new one bass tail in 2/16!
If you want to align the kick and the bass, the tail of the kick needs to be exactly as the bass oscillations, there is no other way to perfectly align phases if they aren't the same. If they aren't the same, you also can do close but not perfect align. With this technique, by reducing (not removing) the first harmonic of the first note of the bass line, we don't need to match phase, because by reducing the first harmonic, there are not any phase cancellations. Lowest frequencies are problematic for solving the phase.
@@EClipChannel thanks for the answer! Yes, i get it, but how important to keep all basstails (2/16, 3/16 and 4/16) similiar?
I mean not waveform of 1/16th, but waveforms of 4/64th of every bassnotes (end part of bassnotes)!
I do not understand whatare you asking. Sorry. 1/16 and 4/64 is the same. Please be more clear in order to get answer.
@@michaelevdokimov6091 no it doesn't matter. This technique is used by lots of pros iv seen daydin cut the first harmonic of the first bass note. Just make sure the transient of the first bass note doesn't get moved off the grid. Read my other coment for a way to do it with melodic bass. Peace
Is there any oscilloscope like this for other DAWs?
This is 3rd party plugin, you can buy it here: schulz.audio/products/oszillos-mega-scope/
@@EClipChannel Thanks.
I dont understand this. Every video I've seen has always said to not have ANY bass overlapping with the kick at all. So why are you doing that here?
dooing what?
@@EClipChannel why does your bass overlap the tail of the kick? It goes against every video ive seen. im absolutely not saying you're wrong. Im just confused because it goes against what ive been taught and im trying to understand.
@@Gino_567 1. Well, if you remove the bass from the kick tail area, you will stay with only 2 notes of the bass, which is ok if you like the groove like that. But I guess that everyone would like to change the groove from time to time and not have exactly the same groove in each track.
2. If you remove the kick tail from the area of the first bassline note, they you get a short and really thin kick. Low frequencies need more time to oscillate, and if you want a powerful kick in the low end (everybody wants that), then you need to use a longer kick. So now we are coming to the situation where somebody wats to have a strong first note of the bassline, as that person might like that type of groove, but also would like to have a powerful kick!!!
So now, we come to the point of this video. Sound Design is an extremely important segment of producing electronic music, and some situations might be hard to solve, like this one. In this video, I offer a solution to the problem and I have shown the techniques how to achieve that.
@@EClipChannel interesting. Thanks for the information. that's certainly Something to think about 🙂
why so complicated? can you nit just send a sidechain from the kick to the node in pro-q?
Yes you can. But I do recommend to do full testing of this approach. What you get with it and what you lose, then make a decition should you use this method or not.