I almost agree with everything you say but that 2022 warriors rings legit. That Celtics team just won. And I truly think that was Steph’s best performance.
The reason the Spurs are considered a dynasty from 1999-2014 isn’t just because they had Tim Duncan and Coach Pop but also because they never had a losing season through out that stretch. They never missed the playoffs and had 50 wins or above every season, so they were considered a title contender every year that Duncan played on the Spurs.
Honestly I think Larry Bird’s Celtics should be considered a dynasty. They won three chips in six years, while making the finals every year between 84-87 in a stacked East. To me that’s plenty of domination to be considered a dynasty. In fact that’s what made the Lakers and Celtics rivalry of the 1980s so unique, it was not just two teams, but two DYNASTIES going at each others throats fighting for legacy.
Another analogy to the DWade Heat “dynasty” would be that Kobe (and DFish) were on the 00-02 Championship teams as well as 09-10, so it would be like saying the Lakers were a Dynasty from 2000-2010. Which is beyond just a stretch.
In my opinion, a Dynasty should probably at least have a Back-to-Back in their run. Also, one could argue that Lebron James was a one-man Dynasty even though he was on 3 different teams: -Back-to-Back Chips (12,13) -3 Chips in 5 years (12,13,16) - same as Spurs -4 Chips in 9 years (12,13,16,20) -8 Straight Finals (11-18) -9 Finals in 10 years (11-18,20) -10 Finals in 14 years (07,11-18,20)
@@samconn7276I disagree. I feel that if you win at least 3 rings in 5 years, no matter how it’s done, that’s a dynasty. That level of dominance is so hard to reach and maintain
@@DaniL-ph5ks damn I just realize Ray Allen saved them from chocking again and it was Kyrie who made that 3 points shot in 2016. Now this got me thinking!
@@callumbronn if Ray Allen misses that 3,SEVERE,CRIPPLING damage would have immediately happened to lebrons legacy. In 2016,i dont see anyone on the cavs roster,icluding lebron with the skills and mettle to make that shot other than kyrie irving.
@@wpriddy No, I meant Eisley's shot clock violation that should have been a three pointer and Harper's basket that should have been a shot clock violation.
@@freeddawg2882 they still weren’t inexperienced though . They’d been battle tested, won multiple playoff series across multiple years it’s not like they were just put together in the offseason
Wouldn't the Spurs dynasty be for 4 rings, you know, considering that their core (Parker, Ginobili, Duncan, Pop) was there for all four. With that being said, you can't compare them to the Heat dynasty because that core was completely different by the time LeBron got there.
I agree with your take. I believe that the Spurs were a dynasty for that long because, like you said, they had the same fundamental CORE of players and coaching personell. The heat’s core and personell were completely different, outside of Wade, by the time Lebron got there
wait did you just say charles barkley did not deserve to be in the olympics because he was not "good"? Bro was an absolute beast during his time in the 76ers, Suns and Rockets but had no help from his teammates. There was a saying when shaq tries to brag about his rings, give him a Dwayne wade or Kobe and he would have had a least a ring or two.
Out of these imo the smallest astericks is the warriors, bro just called them bad cuz they made a good team Also the first finals I think of when I here warriors finals is 2022
2:47 it will never be lost on me you use this obscure song from Mario Strikers Charged here. I notice this every time and it makes me laugh to hear it again after all this time haha
7:05: that’s really looking for something negative to say. He didn’t rest for two years, he was playing a totally different sport for 2 years… They still lost fair and square to Orlando ( H Grant was a huge loss for them and a massive win for Orlando), but it’s obvious that MJ wasn’t back to shape yet. Just look at the next season and how much better he was after a few months of training.
To address the intro, I believe the problem with the goat debate is that they compare their team accomplishments when their individual accomplishment don't back them up as much. Dont get me wrong, I think jordan is the goat over LeBron, but to think 6-0 in the finals counts more than lebrons 10 finals appearances is a little absurd to me. I don't think you guys realize jordans finals runs were absolutely stacked, same with the Russell's Celtics but we don't make Russell the goat with 11-1 finals. Just some double standards to boost jordan in my opinion.
@@tsk50001 the only absurd thing is that you equivalate winning it all to just getting there, if you consider the fact he was playing mostly 40 win teams to get to those finals its actually meaningless the fact he got there so many times, ofcourse he got to the finals there was absolutely ZERO competition getting there
@F1nalB0zz but all those times jordan couldn't make it either to the playoffs or past the first round are better than making it to the finals? Stay consistent now
@@tsk50001 its the same as all the time lebron couldnt make it to the finals. if you dont get there it doesnt matter, when you get there and win is when it matters. besides domt ignore the fact lebron been stacking teams his whole career. and he stil only has 4?? pathetic
@F1nalB0zz compared to the bulls, LeBron hasn't had a team like that and lebrons all star teammates get injured before the finals making the team handicapped. Plus LeBron is able to take teams of nobodies to the finals. Jordans couldn't. Take LeBron out of those teams and those teams don't make the playoffs, take jordan out and they make the second round both times
I think the first Lakers and Celtics biggest asterisk is simply there where half the teams. Basketball is a competition and if less teams are playing thats less competition.
Bruh, in 2022 the excuse is Warriors beat the Celtics because the Celtics are inexperienced but in 2015 Warriors are inexperienced also but the excuse is that the Cavs were injured and LeBron have no help
i like how Kobes second dynasty isnt mentioned considering the fact he went to finals 3 times, won 2 back to back, and as a direct result led to the creation of the big 3 dwade led miami heat.
@@user-ej4iz7tt1x D Wade on record saying it was and you're right Dwade took a step back for Lebron to shine but that speaks to Dwade's versatility to quickly get accustom to being a role player that also took games over when needed.
@@user-ej4iz7tt1x Dwade said it himself that the big 3 was formed because kobe got his 5th title and yes Dwade was the leader all 4 years, he just LET lebron get his stats
@F1nalB0zz super cap. D wade out his own mouth said in order for the team to be successful he had to give the keys to bron he said that before they second season. It also wasent just for kobe several other teams were gearing up to make title pushes while both wade and brons teams were in limbo making no real moves even after lebron two 60+ win seasons they agents called each other and the rest is history
In my opinion, a Dynasty should probably at least have a Back-to-Back in their run. Also, one could argue that Lebron James was a one-man Dynasty even though he was on 3 different teams: -Back-to-Back Chips (12,13) -3 Chips in 5 years (12,13,16) - same as Spurs -4 Chips in 9 years (12,13,16,20) -8 Straight Finals (11-18) -9 Finals in 10 years (11-18,20) -10 Finals in 14 years (07,11-18,20)
No 1 man dynasty. Just greatness personified. He put every team he was on, into contention. He is the guy that shows up at the gym, and if you got next, you know you are winning a couple with him on your team.
Yeah. A one man dynasty that has played with more all stars and future hall of famers than anyone in league history. That, ladies and gentlemen, is how you do it all by yourself. By surrounding yourself with the best talent in the league and still going 4-10.
@wpriddy not his fault that other people/team wanted to win championships also. The league is competitive like that. He just put himself in the best position to be successful. He is loyal to himself and his circle. Who are you loyal to?
put it this way. If a team wins 3 rings or more in a certain decade then they are a dynasty. That's how it should be. But everyone has their own subjective idea of what it is but that's how me and other people look at it. IJS
You mentioned the expansion era, and showed the “cannon fodder” you’re talking made the playoffs. lol, on one hand he lost to fodder (Orlando) but when they swept them, they went back to fodder? Amazing two of 4 teams made the playoffs, and all of them came in the league the Pistons was the champions. So why don’t they get tagged for the thing as the Bulls? You literally make a mockery of by belittling competition, and it sounds like you’re mad because Lebron wasn’t a part of a “dynasty”.
I think in the end we can all agree that the best goat is not Michael Jordan or LeBron James or even magic Johnson but it's none other than Ben Simmons........ *Cough cough* I just joking though I would say that I actually like watching Marvin Johnson who was a part of the bulls in the 70s and 80s as he was a great player when was my coach for basketball for highschool and middle school though I digress, I just want the NBA to add four more teams to its entire league so that way we can have more competition and playoffs can be more impactful
Say what you want,but the Jordan Bulls were the greatest dynasty of modern sports. Cope......and cry if you need to,Lebron Fan,and NO,this gold medal wont help him.😅😂😅😂
The NBA is the only sport i know of where choking seems to be regarded worse than just straight up getting dominated. IMO the Lakers losing to the Pistons while not getting close is worse than the Warriors losing out by one game to LEBRON.
The 73-9 with unanimous MVP Warriors Team wasn't the KD one, but the Harrison Barnes, Green, Curry and KT. Four drafted players. After Barnes leaves and KD arrives, Warriors wasn't able to even get closer to finish with 73-9 or better. And still with four drafted players, as Bogut leaves and Looney take his place. So, I dont think this situation is similar to USA Team in any aspect, as the USA Team coach have 30 NBA teams to pick any player he want to pick.
Kobe/Shaq embarrassing their competition isn't an * on them, because what's the appropriate number of wins for an all-time great team to get in a series? Them losing to the Pistons however, is an *
For the Bill Russell Celtics there was also only 8 or 9 teams total in the league. Also there wasn't a free agency like there is today, teams would have to trade you away, so it was easier for good teams to stay good.
I feel like it’s also important to point out the Lakers game 6 vs the kings, where kings were up 3-2. The refs proceeded to send lakers to the line 27 times to Kings 9 in the 4th quarter alone, with Tim Donaghy admitting that they were rigging it. Lakers eventually beat them in 7 but if it weren’t for the officiating they wouldn’t have gotten there in the first place
He doesn't even have an era. Everyone is eating well during his "reign". He has witnessed some amazing things during his career though. And he played during the Kobe and Duncan era, as well as the Curry era, and now during the European MVP's era.
Using that logic todays fans will say real NBA basketball started when LeBron got drafted. Which is exactly why so many of them crowned LeBron as the greatest. Also why shows like Gilbert Arenas laugh at 80's basketball.
The Celtics only won 3 rings in the 80s and none of them were consecutive, they won in 81 then 84 then 86. So I think he didn’t count them as a dynasty
@BeerAndJointsAllDay I think the Spurs are the only exception. They didn't win back to back, but all of their championships have the same core and same coach and they have 5 of them. It's hard not to consider them a dynasty.
What about the 2017 & 2018 Western Conference Finals? The Warriors had it made with a Zaza Pachullia-led injury to Kawhi Leonard (Spurs were leading by 21) and an injured Chris Paul (Rockets were up 3-2 in the series).
Actually, yes, it is partly Pippen's fault for shaking the rim, but c'mon, if I was Shandon Anderson in that moment, I would easily make the layup even with Pippen shaking the rim
Man those Bulls criticisms were the “all time” weakest. A missed goaltending call that didn’t guarantee they lost the series, it didn’t even guarantee they lose the game. Might have only ruined “never went to game 7” even tho they’re also the only dynasty to never lose a series at all. Then the “fatigue is more valid then rust” which he kind just made up. But doesn’t that just make it MORE impressive that twice they won after the fatigue of winning back2back? But my favorite was “The ‘92 Bulls were probably better than the 72 win ‘96 team sooooo” sooo the ‘92 team wasn’t ALSO part of the dynasty?
Yeah I think he just had to make up something for the theme of the video but the Bulls Dynasty is just special. And as time goes on I become more and more thankful I lived through it. Literally there was nothing like it. No game 7 finals, never lost a finals, 72 win team, 2 3peats, denied so many greats rings, had a TEN TIME all scoring champ on the squad, let me repeat TEN SCORING TITLES! Can make all the weak woulda coulda shoulda's but hey...Noone beat them.
While there were some players who needed a job in the off season. This idea that Bill Russell and Wilt played against plumbers is just not really true. There were some players who retired early to make more money, and off season jobs, but no. I think the only person who had a second job in season was a dude in active duty military. Average height was almost the same back then, Russell had to earn it.
Jordan didn't suffer 'Too much rest' in '95. He trained his body for a completely different sport. He wasn't resting, he was working his ass off-just not at basketball. So yes, he came back unprepared for basketball, and became fatigued. If fatigue and fitness was a factor, we would expect this to be rectified after a pre-season of proper basketball preparation. So what happened the year after? Oh, 96 Bulls. That's right... And your next argument is even worse.... 'The Chicago bulls claim to the best team ever in 96 is crap, because the Chicago bulls were the best team ever in 92'. What a weird argument...
LeBron is the pretty much the only 'GOAT candidate' who has not been a part of a dynasty :D That's why I say he really can't even be a part of the said debate... Jordan had his dynasty, actually two dynasties. Magic had one, Bird had one, Kareem had one like Magic, Kobe had one. Shaq had one. I would also say Hakeem had one. Duncan had one. Russell definitely had one...But LeBron has never had one and most probably will never have one.
How did Hakeem have a dynasty but not Lebron? And doesn’t him not having a dynasty literally work in his favour in the goat debate??? All these other players had insanely good teammates besides maybe Hakeem, and he only has 2 rings
@alialissa4688 no, it really doesn't help him at all, considering how much help he had and how much less he accomplished than other goat candidates. It makes his case weaker, not stronger.
You have an asterisk for either of them? I cant think of any Maybe for the pistons that they played dirty like the jordan rules or the fact that bill lambeer put his foot under player who jumped so that they will injure their ankles i think it could be one but i would like more info and opinions And the celtics... I have nothing about them idk what could be their asterisk
What is a dynasty would the late 80’s pistons count as a mini-dynasty? Would the cavs also count as a dynasty with the warriors because they consistently went to the finals even if they didn’t win.
Leaving off the Bird Celtics is wrong. I would add any team that won 50% of championships over a time span that includes some essential core. That does mean the badboy pistons and dream rockets get in, but you do have to make clear that all dynasties are not the same. It also paints a picture of what the bulls had to overcome to become 'the dynasty' I also would add the LeBron dynasty of just his teams to compare his reign over the eastern conference, but dont think i would extend it to his lakers time as that is too different in concept from his heat cavs days.
It's not about rest for 94-95 Jordan. It's about the fact that his body was literally trained for baseball, which is a completely different type of sport with completely different needs. The 96 bulls were so clearly the best iteration that it doesn't even need to be mentioned. Stop the fucking cap. Damn near everyone on that team, won some type of award or made some type of all nba team. 3 all defensive first team players, 6th man of the year, rebounding and scoring champs, most accurate shooter in the league, the MVP, the coach of the year, the exactive of the year and the most hungry the Bulls have ever been.
Therefore, for me, LeBron is the best basketball player in history. He had success on three different teams and in different situations. All great players have been part of a system, part of strong teams... but what if you were unlucky enough to play with a great coach in a well-coordinated organization? Or was luck not always on your side? The fact that he even appears in discussions about the best players is actually a miracle when you think about it.
if you go on with what ifs, what if MJ has also the mind like lechoke, inviting great players and not retiring the 94 and 95 season. what if jerry krause did not became a lousy GM that phil will stay and scottie, that leaves MJ ans scottie the only duo never lost in the Finals with recruting star just like lechoke did until 99. a total of 9 rings hard to beat. so hows that as what ifs?
rly, the Kobe Shaq dynasty gets a segment for 3 rings, but no 80s Celtics for 4? Or did you ignore it because the double-dynasty narrative would've conflicted with the Spurs critique?
Timestamps:
0:00 Intro
0:43 Minneapolis Lakers
1:19 Boston Celtics
2:17 Showtime Lakers
5:25 Chicago Bulls
8:00 Kobe & Shaq Lakers
9:53 Spurs
13:15 Golden State Warriors
15:57 Outro
2:56 wtf is a pace factor
I almost agree with everything you say but that 2022 warriors rings legit. That Celtics team just won. And I truly think that was Steph’s best performance.
2011 bobcats?
The reason the Spurs are considered a dynasty from 1999-2014 isn’t just because they had Tim Duncan and Coach Pop but also because they never had a losing season through out that stretch.
They never missed the playoffs and had 50 wins or above every season, so they were considered a title contender every year that Duncan played on the Spurs.
@@seananthony7494 I would say into the 90s to they we’re pretty good with the admiral to.
Where 2024 pistons
In the garbage
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It is impossible to put an asterisk on them
He means 2004? Or he is just joking?
@@nightdonutstudio wdym 2024 pistons is the greatest team of all time
_No Rizz_ when Tony Parker smashed his teammate wife is crazy
he can enter the HoF but i will always remember him as Mr. Fuck-yo-wife bruh
That’s not rizz that’s just fucked up
Well, Lebron’s mom slept with his teammate. That’s even more fkd up.
@@dereklouther9372yea she was fucked up
What??????
I like how the 2010s Spurs is just "no rizz" in the thumbnail
That was a good one😂
That’s just not true, Manu has elite rizz
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@@haanaa9494 lets not go that way😳
@@Balloffamer what did he do?
Bro went to professional hater mode 😭
He Became a hater equally
Man he literally showed them all
"The most obvious goaltend in NBA history" you can see how salty this man is when he said that 😂
It was tho ngl
Not talking about Birds Celtics is crazy
Because there are no asterisk. Except probably that they have fewer rings compared to the lakers
Clearly the perfect dynasty
because theres not much to talk about lol
because it would defeat his later point of the spurs
They kinda only won 3 in a 6 year span, never repeated, and lost 2 Finals
Honestly I think Larry Bird’s Celtics should be considered a dynasty. They won three chips in six years, while making the finals every year between 84-87 in a stacked East. To me that’s plenty of domination to be considered a dynasty. In fact that’s what made the Lakers and Celtics rivalry of the 1980s so unique, it was not just two teams, but two DYNASTIES going at each others throats fighting for legacy.
As a Spurs fan, the whole 3 ring dynasty makes sense.
Another analogy to the DWade Heat “dynasty” would be that Kobe (and DFish) were on the 00-02 Championship teams as well as 09-10, so it would be like saying the Lakers were a Dynasty from 2000-2010. Which is beyond just a stretch.
In my opinion, a Dynasty should probably at least have a Back-to-Back in their run.
Also, one could argue that Lebron James was a one-man Dynasty even though he was on 3 different teams:
-Back-to-Back Chips (12,13)
-3 Chips in 5 years (12,13,16) - same as Spurs
-4 Chips in 9 years (12,13,16,20)
-8 Straight Finals (11-18)
-9 Finals in 10 years (11-18,20)
-10 Finals in 14 years (07,11-18,20)
@@samconn7276, That is why they call him The King.
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They also had Phil with them
@@samconn7276I disagree. I feel that if you win at least 3 rings in 5 years, no matter how it’s done, that’s a dynasty. That level of dominance is so hard to reach and maintain
Warriors win Championship:
''IT'S NOT FAIR, SUPER TEAM!!!!'
Raptors beat Warriors to win Championship:
''IT'S NOT FAIR, SUPER TEAM INJURED!!!!
lol
It’s true tho their 2nd and 3rd best players had season ending injuries, as good as Steph was he’s not carrying that team to another ring
Damn lebron never had a dynasty 🤣🤣
Ofc because he keeps changing team.
@@stump4522well if he hadn't choked in 2011 then the heatles could've been considered a dynasty
@@DaniL-ph5ks damn I just realize Ray Allen saved them from chocking again and it was Kyrie who made that 3 points shot in 2016. Now this got me thinking!
@EA-dweller Ray Allen and Ky hit clutch shots, but didn't "save" anyone. Context is key.
@@callumbronn if Ray Allen misses that 3,SEVERE,CRIPPLING damage would have immediately happened to lebrons legacy. In 2016,i dont see anyone on the cavs roster,icluding lebron with the skills and mettle to make that shot other than kyrie irving.
I am astounded by the fact that you did not mention those two miscalls in G6 of the '98 Finals.
Which ones? The ones you wish happened where both the players involved said it wasn't a foul?
@@wpriddy No, I meant Eisley's shot clock violation that should have been a three pointer and Harper's basket that should have been a shot clock violation.
I feel if the Spurs are counted, the 80s Celtics should be
2022 Celtics inexperienced ? That core had been to the ECF 3 times already
The ECF and Finals are wayyyy different
@@lilbepsi3193 they were still together for years, built chemistry and made multiple deep playoff runs .
@@jtbucketsshorts2213 The finals is just a whole different level dude
but no finals until that moment
@@freeddawg2882 they still weren’t inexperienced though . They’d been battle tested, won multiple playoff series across multiple years it’s not like they were just put together in the offseason
Excellent, thoughtful, analysis and humour to boot
Wouldn't the Spurs dynasty be for 4 rings, you know, considering that their core (Parker, Ginobili, Duncan, Pop) was there for all four. With that being said, you can't compare them to the Heat dynasty because that core was completely different by the time LeBron got there.
I think Kawhi being there in 2014 had something to do with it.
Bro fell for the bait
I agree with your take. I believe that the Spurs were a dynasty for that long because, like you said, they had the same fundamental CORE of players and coaching personell. The heat’s core and personell were completely different, outside of Wade, by the time Lebron got there
What heat dynasty????😂😅😂😅
The Heat Dynasty? What's that?
Thanks rebound for a new great video hope u have a good day 👍🏿
that 2016 finals will forever be more famous than any of the warriors 7 rings
Amen
The Knicks were also beasts in the 80s. Bernard King took the Celtics to 7 where each team won their home games
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Put an asterisk next to all the Lebronze championships for superteam chasing, flopping, and referee favoritism.
Where is the Qing Dynasty?
wait did you just say charles barkley did not deserve to be in the olympics because he was not "good"? Bro was an absolute beast during his time in the 76ers, Suns and Rockets but had no help from his teammates. There was a saying when shaq tries to brag about his rings, give him a Dwayne wade or Kobe and he would have had a least a ring or two.
Out of these imo the smallest astericks is the warriors, bro just called them bad cuz they made a good team
Also the first finals I think of when I here warriors finals is 2022
Most underrated nba channel swear you and the flight Mike
LBJ played N the weakest conference threw out his whole career
You hate for a career.
@@MikeBeltMikeBelt no just telling the truth
He is right
@@kennylynch8575 he is right
@kennylynch8575 90's was the weakest time son mj is a fraud
2:47 it will never be lost on me you use this obscure song from Mario Strikers Charged here. I notice this every time and it makes me laugh to hear it again after all this time haha
7:05: that’s really looking for something negative to say. He didn’t rest for two years, he was playing a totally different sport for 2 years… They still lost fair and square to Orlando ( H Grant was a huge loss for them and a massive win for Orlando), but it’s obvious that MJ wasn’t back to shape yet. Just look at the next season and how much better he was after a few months of training.
Boy tiktok is about to have a field trip with this one😂😂😂
To address the intro, I believe the problem with the goat debate is that they compare their team accomplishments when their individual accomplishment don't back them up as much. Dont get me wrong, I think jordan is the goat over LeBron, but to think 6-0 in the finals counts more than lebrons 10 finals appearances is a little absurd to me. I don't think you guys realize jordans finals runs were absolutely stacked, same with the Russell's Celtics but we don't make Russell the goat with 11-1 finals. Just some double standards to boost jordan in my opinion.
@@tsk50001 the only absurd thing is that you equivalate winning it all to just getting there, if you consider the fact he was playing mostly 40 win teams to get to those finals its actually meaningless the fact he got there so many times, ofcourse he got to the finals there was absolutely ZERO competition getting there
@F1nalB0zz but all those times jordan couldn't make it either to the playoffs or past the first round are better than making it to the finals? Stay consistent now
@@tsk50001 its the same as all the time lebron couldnt make it to the finals. if you dont get there it doesnt matter, when you get there and win is when it matters. besides domt ignore the fact lebron been stacking teams his whole career. and he stil only has 4?? pathetic
@F1nalB0zz compared to the bulls, LeBron hasn't had a team like that and lebrons all star teammates get injured before the finals making the team handicapped. Plus LeBron is able to take teams of nobodies to the finals. Jordans couldn't. Take LeBron out of those teams and those teams don't make the playoffs, take jordan out and they make the second round both times
@@tsk50001 bullshit. youre full of it but its ok cause will never touch Jordan. was never even able to catch up to Kobe
I now understand why KD don’t pass the ball
I think the first Lakers and Celtics biggest asterisk is simply there where half the teams. Basketball is a competition and if less teams are playing thats less competition.
Bruh, in 2022 the excuse is Warriors beat the Celtics because the Celtics are inexperienced but in 2015 Warriors are inexperienced also but the excuse is that the Cavs were injured and LeBron have no help
12:11 "Burnt out" from playing... a year ago?
i like how Kobes second dynasty isnt mentioned considering the fact he went to finals 3 times, won 2 back to back, and as a direct result led to the creation of the big 3 dwade led miami heat.
Definitely wasn’t the direct result of that team and to say dwade LED Miami heat team is funny😂
@@user-ej4iz7tt1x D Wade on record saying it was and you're right Dwade took a step back for Lebron to shine but that speaks to Dwade's versatility to quickly get accustom to being a role player that also took games over when needed.
Took a step back? The man knees disintegrated. By the second season it was very very clear lebron was the number 1. Yall be on one fr.@Vennnnnnnnnn
@@user-ej4iz7tt1x Dwade said it himself that the big 3 was formed because kobe got his 5th title and yes Dwade was the leader all 4 years, he just LET lebron get his stats
@F1nalB0zz super cap. D wade out his own mouth said in order for the team to be successful he had to give the keys to bron he said that before they second season. It also wasent just for kobe several other teams were gearing up to make title pushes while both wade and brons teams were in limbo making no real moves even after lebron two 60+ win seasons they agents called each other and the rest is history
In my opinion, a Dynasty should probably at least have a Back-to-Back in their run.
Also, one could argue that Lebron James was a one-man Dynasty even though he was on 3 different teams:
-Back-to-Back Chips (12,13)
-3 Chips in 5 years (12,13,16) - same as Spurs
-4 Chips in 9 years (12,13,16,20)
-8 Straight Finals (11-18)
-9 Finals in 10 years (11-18,20)
-10 Finals in 14 years (07,11-18,20)
No 1 man dynasty. Just greatness personified. He put every team he was on, into contention. He is the guy that shows up at the gym, and if you got next, you know you are winning a couple with him on your team.
Yeah. A one man dynasty that has played with more all stars and future hall of famers than anyone in league history. That, ladies and gentlemen, is how you do it all by yourself. By surrounding yourself with the best talent in the league and still going 4-10.
@wpriddy not his fault that other people/team wanted to win championships also. The league is competitive like that. He just put himself in the best position to be successful. He is loyal to himself and his circle. Who are you loyal to?
Warriors championship wasn't rigged the Heat Thunder series was the 1 that was rigged
Actually
2018 WCF game 7
put it this way. If a team wins 3 rings or more in a certain decade then they are a dynasty. That's how it should be. But everyone has their own subjective idea of what it is but that's how me and other people look at it. IJS
3 in a 5 year span with a back 2 back.
You can add back to back but not really because the Celtics didn't win back to back championships in the 80s and they're considered as a dynasty
You mentioned the expansion era, and showed the “cannon fodder” you’re talking made the playoffs. lol, on one hand he lost to fodder (Orlando) but when they swept them, they went back to fodder? Amazing two of 4 teams made the playoffs, and all of them came in the league the Pistons was the champions. So why don’t they get tagged for the thing as the Bulls?
You literally make a mockery of by belittling competition, and it sounds like you’re mad because Lebron wasn’t a part of a “dynasty”.
I think in the end we can all agree that the best goat is not Michael Jordan or LeBron James or even magic Johnson but it's none other than Ben Simmons........ *Cough cough* I just joking though I would say that I actually like watching Marvin Johnson who was a part of the bulls in the 70s and 80s as he was a great player when was my coach for basketball for highschool and middle school though I digress, I just want the NBA to add four more teams to its entire league so that way we can have more competition and playoffs can be more impactful
No rizz is crazy
The jla unlimited theme at 2:18 was so nostalgic
How the hell does this dude make such good points to hate and you cant even be mad?
He doesn`t
That last Warriors asterisk can be used for every bulls ring except the last one
Say what you want,but the Jordan Bulls were the greatest dynasty of modern sports. Cope......and cry if you need to,Lebron Fan,and NO,this gold medal wont help him.😅😂😅😂
@@jonthomson9262 the only person coping and crying is you
@@gold-man9 what do i need to cry for.......i see you trying to tear Jordan down to lebrons level.🤣🤣
@@jonthomson9262 You’re words speak volumes bud
For the spurs if you remove 1999 Tim, Tony Parker, and Manu Ginobili were on all those teams so i think you can say 2003-14
The NBA is the only sport i know of where choking seems to be regarded worse than just straight up getting dominated. IMO the Lakers losing to the Pistons while not getting close is worse than the Warriors losing out by one game to LEBRON.
You lost me at the Warriors one. “The dynasty doesn’t count because they did it with a good team” 😭??
Warriors finals makes me think of the 2018 JR Smith THROW
The 73-9 with unanimous MVP Warriors Team wasn't the KD one, but the Harrison Barnes, Green, Curry and KT. Four drafted players.
After Barnes leaves and KD arrives, Warriors wasn't able to even get closer to finish with 73-9 or better. And still with four drafted players, as Bogut leaves and Looney take his place.
So, I dont think this situation is similar to USA Team in any aspect, as the USA Team coach have 30 NBA teams to pick any player he want to pick.
Kobe/Shaq embarrassing their competition isn't an * on them, because what's the appropriate number of wins for an all-time great team to get in a series?
Them losing to the Pistons however, is an *
They faced fodder teams
For the Bill Russell Celtics there was also only 8 or 9 teams total in the league. Also there wasn't a free agency like there is today, teams would have to trade you away, so it was easier for good teams to stay good.
How in the hell are the 80's Celtics left off? They were the team to beat in the East until 1992
Playing justice league unlimited intro is very fitting for bird and magic
The GOAT and the Dynasty debate are both subjective. That's what makes them fun.
I feel like it’s also important to point out the Lakers game 6 vs the kings, where kings were up 3-2. The refs proceeded to send lakers to the line 27 times to Kings 9 in the 4th quarter alone, with Tim Donaghy admitting that they were rigging it. Lakers eventually beat them in 7 but if it weren’t for the officiating they wouldn’t have gotten there in the first place
The I love mom tat on LeBron 😂
It’s like watching that decoy episode when he says “dynasty”
MJ and Bulls literally got back to back swept in the same 1st round against the non athletic Celtics ✨✨✨🏀
Where is James dynasty? They don't call him The King for no reason
King of no dynasty 😂
A man who must say he is the King, is not true King.
He doesn't even have an era. Everyone is eating well during his "reign". He has witnessed some amazing things during his career though. And he played during the Kobe and Duncan era, as well as the Curry era, and now during the European MVP's era.
@@NickAlex08 Heatles era >>>
Basketball became REAL NBA basketball when Larry Bird and Magic Johnson popped up
Using that logic todays fans will say real NBA basketball started when LeBron got drafted. Which is exactly why so many of them crowned LeBron as the greatest. Also why shows like Gilbert Arenas laugh at 80's basketball.
No Rizz? I mean Tony Parker my dude
Damn didn’t have to do the spurs like that😢
LeBron is a glorified Robert Horry, but Horry didn't chase rings.
Lebron is a charlatan!
And Duncan whipped him twice!
Also don't forget the Robert Horry / Steve Nash incident in game 4 of the 2007 WCF.
Where is bird's 80s celtics???
The Celtics only won 3 rings in the 80s and none of them were consecutive, they won in 81 then 84 then 86. So I think he didn’t count them as a dynasty
Gotta win back to back to be a dynasty.
@@reubengray6026 When did the Spurs won back to back????
Spurs went to the finals 6 times as many as the bulls and they won 5
@BeerAndJointsAllDay I think the Spurs are the only exception. They didn't win back to back, but all of their championships have the same core and same coach and they have 5 of them. It's hard not to consider them a dynasty.
My Opinion on the NBA Dynasties:
1950-1954 Lakers (Mikan Era) Mega Dynasty
1957-1969 Celtics (Russel Era) Mega Dynasty
1970-1973 Knicks (Reed Era)
1977-1983 76ers ( Dr.J Era)
1980-1988 Lakers (Magic Era) Mega Dynasty
1981-1987 Celtics (Bird Era)
1988-1990 Pistons (Thomas Era)
1991-1998 Bulls (Jordan Era) Mega Dynasty
1994-1995 Rockets (Hakeem Era)
1999-2014 Spurs (Duncan Era) Mega Dynasty
2000-2010 Lakers (Kobe Era) Mega Dynasty
2011-2014 Heat (LeBron Era)
2015-2022 Warriors (Curry Era) Mega Dynasty
Wilts numbers are more 1960s
Please don't forget to include Nets big 3 next time
Mikan wore #99.
No rizz might be the craziest thumbnail in history ngl
3:03 Sonic or Shadow are cooking Lebron.
What about the 2017 & 2018 Western Conference Finals? The Warriors had it made with a Zaza Pachullia-led injury to Kawhi Leonard (Spurs were leading by 21) and an injured Chris Paul (Rockets were up 3-2 in the series).
No rizz is crazy😂😂🤣🤣
Actually, yes, it is partly Pippen's fault for shaking the rim, but c'mon, if I was Shandon Anderson in that moment, I would easily make the layup even with Pippen shaking the rim
you are not him
@@Gedaxy_ It's just a layup all I have to do is spin the ball
I’m not gonna watch the vid, in fact it’s on adds rn, I just wanna say “no rizz” on the spurs is funny and I enjoyed seeing it and how funny it was
The heat and magic were cannon fodder in the 90s?
Man those Bulls criticisms were the “all time” weakest. A missed goaltending call that didn’t guarantee they lost the series, it didn’t even guarantee they lose the game. Might have only ruined “never went to game 7” even tho they’re also the only dynasty to never lose a series at all. Then the “fatigue is more valid then rust” which he kind just made up. But doesn’t that just make it MORE impressive that twice they won after the fatigue of winning back2back? But my favorite was “The ‘92 Bulls were probably better than the 72 win ‘96 team sooooo” sooo the ‘92 team wasn’t ALSO part of the dynasty?
Yeah I think he just had to make up something for the theme of the video but the Bulls Dynasty is just special. And as time goes on I become more and more thankful I lived through it. Literally there was nothing like it. No game 7 finals, never lost a finals, 72 win team, 2 3peats, denied so many greats rings, had a TEN TIME all scoring champ on the squad, let me repeat TEN SCORING TITLES! Can make all the weak woulda coulda shoulda's but hey...Noone beat them.
Gotta ask yourself, what if they lose those finals? A 5-1 record is gonna ruin their reputation?
@arguseyed9982 What if? There are no what if's. The Chicago Bulls have never lost an NBA finals. No dynasty can say that.
While there were some players who needed a job in the off season. This idea that Bill Russell and Wilt played against plumbers is just not really true. There were some players who retired early to make more money, and off season jobs, but no. I think the only person who had a second job in season was a dude in active duty military. Average height was almost the same back then, Russell had to earn it.
Bro dissing the Cleveland team Lebron and the clowns is hilarious
There were only 2 dynasties in the NBA... Boston Celtics and the Chicago Bulls... Everything others are in between
Jordan didn't suffer 'Too much rest' in '95.
He trained his body for a completely different sport. He wasn't resting, he was working his ass off-just not at basketball.
So yes, he came back unprepared for basketball, and became fatigued.
If fatigue and fitness was a factor, we would expect this to be rectified after a pre-season of proper basketball preparation. So what happened the year after?
Oh, 96 Bulls. That's right...
And your next argument is even worse.... 'The Chicago bulls claim to the best team ever in 96 is crap, because the Chicago bulls were the best team ever in 92'.
What a weird argument...
So the Larry Bird Celtics are the only legit dynasty lol
I mean they definitely had some shady deals and practices to get them on the team but...
What if Len Bias was alive?????? Man.
@@jonthomson9262 I truly believe that Len Bias and Reggie Lewis could’ve taken a ring from the Jordan Bulls.
@@jerrytee4239 Also some luck, for their first ring they faced Mose Malones 40-42 Rockets…
@@awc6007 maybe???? I was thinking of Bias extending Birds career and winning rings off Magic.
2:33 is that an 8 bit version of the Justice League unlimited theme song in the background?
the thing about the 2016 finals was that draymond got suspended and steph curry slightly tore his mcl so he wasnt running around like he usually does
And andrew bogut their only rim protector went down and iggy had a bad back.
Typical Draymond... not the Cavs fault.
LBJ better than ‘90s Bulls? Man, you trippin’
LeBron is the pretty much the only 'GOAT candidate' who has not been a part of a dynasty :D That's why I say he really can't even be a part of the said debate...
Jordan had his dynasty, actually two dynasties. Magic had one, Bird had one, Kareem had one like Magic, Kobe had one. Shaq had one. I would also say Hakeem had one. Duncan had one. Russell definitely had one...But LeBron has never had one and most probably will never have one.
How did Hakeem have a dynasty but not Lebron? And doesn’t him not having a dynasty literally work in his favour in the goat debate??? All these other players had insanely good teammates besides maybe Hakeem, and he only has 2 rings
@alialissa4688 no, it really doesn't help him at all, considering how much help he had and how much less he accomplished than other goat candidates. It makes his case weaker, not stronger.
Fire video. Only legit, truly respected dynasty is the Bulls. MJ is the goat forever.
damn no 80 celtics or pistons
Exactly
You have an asterisk for either of them? I cant think of any
Maybe for the pistons that they played dirty like the jordan rules or the fact that bill lambeer put his foot under player who jumped so that they will injure their ankles i think it could be one but i would like more info and opinions
And the celtics... I have nothing about them idk what could be their asterisk
What is a dynasty would the late 80’s pistons count as a mini-dynasty? Would the cavs also count as a dynasty with the warriors because they consistently went to the finals even if they didn’t win.
NBA dynasty is all about winning 3 or more rings
@@user-xd4rt2pb3p I see your point but I still think the term dynasty doesn’t have a concrete definition and doesn’t have much of a meaning.
Gotta win back to back to be a dynasty.
@@reubengray6026 They won back to back though
The fianks isnt all that matters kobe beat the moat 50 pkus win teams in history to get to the finals
Leaving off the Bird Celtics is wrong.
I would add any team that won 50% of championships over a time span that includes some essential core.
That does mean the badboy pistons and dream rockets get in, but you do have to make clear that all dynasties are not the same. It also paints a picture of what the bulls had to overcome to become 'the dynasty'
I also would add the LeBron dynasty of just his teams to compare his reign over the eastern conference, but dont think i would extend it to his lakers time as that is too different in concept from his heat cavs days.
Not being mentioned in a diss sound like a win to me
It's not about rest for 94-95 Jordan. It's about the fact that his body was literally trained for baseball, which is a completely different type of sport with completely different needs.
The 96 bulls were so clearly the best iteration that it doesn't even need to be mentioned. Stop the fucking cap. Damn near everyone on that team, won some type of award or made some type of all nba team. 3 all defensive first team players, 6th man of the year, rebounding and scoring champs, most accurate shooter in the league, the MVP, the coach of the year, the exactive of the year and the most hungry the Bulls have ever been.
Therefore, for me, LeBron is the best basketball player in history. He had success on three different teams and in different situations. All great players have been part of a system, part of strong teams... but what if you were unlucky enough to play with a great coach in a well-coordinated organization? Or was luck not always on your side? The fact that he even appears in discussions about the best players is actually a miracle when you think about it.
😂 he's overrated AF Kobe is the goat
He had to team hopp to get stacked that's a bad thing if anything Gianni's and jokic already did what he couldn't 😂lmfao
if you go on with what ifs, what if MJ has also the mind like lechoke, inviting great players and not retiring the 94 and 95 season. what if jerry krause did not became a lousy GM that phil will stay and scottie, that leaves MJ ans scottie the only duo never lost in the Finals with recruting star just like lechoke did until 99. a total of 9 rings hard to beat. so hows that as what ifs?
4:02 Isaiah Thomas dropped over 30 that game
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rly, the Kobe Shaq dynasty gets a segment for 3 rings, but no 80s Celtics for 4? Or did you ignore it because the double-dynasty narrative would've conflicted with the Spurs critique?
Why is chris bosh a dinosaur
This guy talks out of both sides of his mouth. Basically, they were all dynasties or none of them were dynasties, depending on semantics
@9:46 who that old guy
what’s the asterisk on dillon brooks grizzlies? how is that dynasty not on here
Can't say that 2019 finals is a stain od GSW dynasty, because Klay and KD were injured. Otherwise 2019 chip would propably stay in bay area.
Guys I just want to point out that this man is saying the problem with the warriors dynasty was they were too good and talented
I saw no rizz and I said I have to click