The Led Zeppelin Riff Nobody Can Play Correctly
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0:00 - Was Led Zeppelin prog?
2:23 - Guitar Scripture
3:50 - The Riff
5:40 - What nobody gets quite right - Hudba
Page isn't sloppy, He's just the proggest guitarist alive
😂
And his live version of stairway to heaven’s solo is the proggest solo of all time
Nah. He's pretty sloppy.
@@bingobango4840 r/woosh
He's sloppy live
We all need to hear this message more: Music isn't about perfection....it's about making people feel sh!t. Stop listening to hyper nerd critics who are locked in ego 🍆 measuring contests. This will ruin your songs. Tyler's ending rant is TRUTH
True muhahahaha
It's more like perfection isn't rigid and mathematical, it is an emotive symbiosis of all the moving parts.
It's also why even many non musicians can hear the unnatural feeling of digital double-tracking. Even THE most talented musicians are incapable of playing the same exact way every single time. When you do a true double-track there will inherently be differences in how every note is played making it sound natural. It's also why you can't fake an orchestral sound by just digitally multiplying tracks of the same take, because you can't fake the fact that humans aren't perfect lol.
Perfection sounds lame. Gimme the feels!
Never liked Page as a guitar player.
Bonham played behind the beat a lot, it's part of what made them groove. I read once that he was a Sinatra fan and always loved that Sinatra sang behind the beat, and he incorporated that into his drums.
How far back though? Like a micro nano milli second?
Excellent point . I agree.
@@watamatafoyu About two or three tenths of a second.
One e and a
or then again, maybe he was just drunk... 👍🏻😂
As a product of the 70's I grew up listening to LZ but never realized until now just how complex their music was. Thanks for your analysis!
I put classic rock radio on from Spotify and rage against the machine came on. I’ve never felt so old.
And it just gets worse! It really hits you when your rock heroes are dying of old age, not overdoses and suicide! 🙄
Those guys have actually been at it along time
@@jjohnson8977 that’s the point.
@@mburtondavis stay in control my friend
Seriously the definition of "Classic Rock" is gettin' so loose and sloppy, cripes you got bands from the 90's onward that are startin' to creep into this category, I guess it's like every thing else, just tryin' to change with the times, F--- THE TIMES, seriously people are just tryin' to change Classic Rock so it fits the times, the true definition of Classic Rock was the stuff from the Late 60's to the real early 80's ('67-'81) basically.
So you mean to tell me that by playing out of time I've been playing correctly this entire time?!
Yeah
so you telling me i'm just a misunderstood genius?
I wish....
@@alonewanderer4697 everyone has that in them. It only until they are aware of theory or understand how it works that they see they have a happy accident or brilliant madness to show
Tyler still didnt get it right. I could show him easily. when jimmy drops to the lower key he is not playing on a down beat till he hits the 5th note in the line. then the count starts, or measure if you will. i mean you can feel the implied offbeats in the line, like hes making us guess where the downbeat actually is. artistry
That late snare and kick doesnt mess up the count, it just adds more groove and flavor to it.
A wizard is never late, nor is he early. He arrives precisely when he means to
This breakdown just proves their musical genius. Many bands have tried but there will only be one Led Zepplin. The true kings of Rock!
Amen
I agree
Absolutely! 🍻
ZEP were very EXPERIMENTAL, and everyone forgets that.
100pct
That little section always sounded loose and late to me on the record. It may have all been deliberately played like that but I remember it catching my attention almost every time I heard it for about 5 years straight.
Eu adoro. O LED
THAT was the whole IDEA!
@@ciceroromao2643 WTF now?
I feel exactly the same. I love everything about the song, but that one part is hard to get around.
I never really liked that song, it was overplayed to death and back on the radio, though I loved some riffs, and yah I noticed it felt off, but Jimmy did that sometimes. But the drummer...
Led Zeppelin is its own genre. It is an encyclopedia of styles and creativity. They took from the buffet of all music types and made their own brand. They forged new genres while climbing to the pinnacle of existing styles.
Funk
Blues
Reggae
Punk
Metal
Prog
Folk
Country
Pop
Old school rock (1950's)
Eastern
They were Everything indeed! Fusion Page's solo in No Quarter is Jazz...
Led Zeppelin, body of work will never be duplicated or surpassed..I became a fan of Led Zepplin in 1970’s when I heard physical graffiti vinyl…. I waited for a band to pass at LZ Van Halen, 80s Guns N’ Roses, Metallica, & others..haven’t found a band yet that pass LZ body of work
Agreed 100%. When I was growing up in the 70's, people assumed that because I liked led zeppelin that I must also like pink floyd and aerosmith and all the rest of it. But I always ONLY liked Zeppelin. To this day, Spotify and CZcams will try to get me to listen to classic rock because I watch a Zeppelin video. I don't like "classic rock", just Zeppelin.
Reggie? Is that Reginald Perrin or Reginald Molehusband, the safest parker in town?
Unfortunately they also like to simply take other peoples songs and give themselves (Page & Plant) songwriter credits. They would be sued out of business today if they tried that stuff.
For as long as I can remember, I loved trying to perfect this riff. The notes are so overly simple yet the timing is so perfectly imperfect. Practicing it both justifies and defies the use of a metronome and makes for a very good lesson in 'feel'.
Listen closely...ya know that off riff you heard, it's really just syncopation...like a lot of Bonham's drumming...it comes back to the same tempo I always wondered that in high school.. I tried to keep up with him on the dashboard of my car...a yr. Later I started taking guitar lesson...now 30+ yrs later..I've learned a lot..just an intermediate at that...prog prauge...wtf..their music is classic. Everything...
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Perfectly imperfect - I cant think of a better way to describe this! Page has given me fits since I first noticed as a wee lad and as I have gotten older I have gone from the "meh he is just sloppy" attitude to "This man is a musical genius that has a thought process I can not begin to comprehend". I find learning to play just about anything that Page came up with is never easy or predictable; I have certain phrases and patterns ingrained in me and I expect things to go a certain way but he rarely does that. And its glorious! This is a fantastic video on top of an already fantastic channel. My people!!!
Metronome is not your friend here....it's not a secret that Page have a thing for oriental music.
These kind of rhytmics are all over oriental music....and even better...
Black Dog was my Dad’s favorite song and it always sounded off to me when I was a kid. It took me a while to “get it” but that’s what I love about LZ. They played precisely sloppy sometimes to add tension and a dgaf attitude. So good.
“Don’t think about it… Just play it.” That’s the best advice I’ve heard.
As I read Led Zeppelin I clicked
oh for sure! I've always seen Led Zeppelin as a classic prog rock/metal band with a heavy blues influence. I don't know how anyone thought other wise. I feel like back then things weren't as defined and bands did their own thing more.
Also a talented drummer knows exactly when to rush and when to drag. That's what gives a song its feel.
Agreed, and I always thought of them as "world" music. Meaning their use of Egyptian orchestra and Celtic folk.
@@MusicMotivator the best music out there makes good use of Celtic folk music in some capacity.
What song used Egyptian orchestra though?
They are all that, and also, they were a pop band. Page spent the mid-1960s playing pop music sessions. He had an ear for concise hooks that you don't always find in something like a King Crimson album. A song like "Your Time Is Gonna Come" is as sweet, melodically speaking, as The Beach Boys. It was that mix of heavy guitar orchestration, nasty blues lead playing, and catchy songwriting that got the band across to guys, gals, Americans, Europeans, kids in the 1970s, kids in the 2020s...Steely Dan did much the same kind of thing at the same time, though instead of prog/blues rock + pop, they were bringing together hard-bop/post-bop harmony with pure pop songwriting and production.
I agree. When you think about it, I don’t think you can really say they weren’t progressive.
That's the problem, finding a talented drummer... At least in my experience.
When the Black Dog riff is about to change back to the implied Em chord it doesn't have three E's in a row like you're playing 6:33 . The notes are E, D, E.
I initially thought I might have had it wrong all this time, but I looked up the song plus a couple live version and that's definitely what he's playing.
Glad I’m not the only one that noticed
yeah. that struck me as an odd choice as well. All this talk about timing and the notes are wrong. maybe to avoid a copyright strike?
Was hoping someone in the comments noticed this as well, kind of hilarious to me that this video about nobody being able to get this riff quite right features a performance of the riff that isn't quite right. xD
Pwned
You are right sir......not sure how old you are but if you have been listening to a song for 50 years like I have it tends to be ingrained into your musical ears :)
Im so glad you brought up this song. I listen to that out of time drum beat every time I hear it and wonder if it was done deliberately or its just the way it was recorded. Its still cool how they catch each other and get back in time. with all the time changes recording albums must have been a nightmare
I read an interview with Robert Plant some time ago and he said the time signatures/beats on 'Black Dog' were done deliberately to stop people from covering the song. Obviously, that didn't work. 😀
@@joolz666 no way!? Haha that's so rad
@@joolz666 But if true, why not do it to other big hits? I always felt that it sounded as it sounded because they were in that grove and it just sounded good, tight, so they left it as is on the record.
john Bonham was exceptionally good at how pushing and pulling can work on a groove, specifically when the levee breaks and kashmir, he's flirting with dragging in the first and on kashmir he's dragging the shit out of the verses but is right back on in the slot on the chorus
Great video. In “ black dog “ when you go threw the riff in A and you you let it ring out in A . Well instead of let the A string ring out…grab the G note on the low E string and bend a whole step & hold . That note your holding in A . You be amazed
Correct.
Yes, hit the A chord, then hit the G bending up the double A with a natural chorus effect.
The slight out of tuneness is also what makes the unison D note in the Whole Lotta Love riff work so well.
And also (just me?) I think the riff has more a 5-6-7 instead of the 7-7-7 (on the 5th string before the riff resumes its usual pattern) that I seem to hear towards the end... no?
@@MarcAbela You’re mostly correct. If you listen closely, he hits the 7 on the low E, then 5,6,7 on the a, and then 5,7 on the a again before resuming the normal riff.
Hell yeah live pagey move
I first head that song in 1977. My whole life, I have always just thought they left a little mistake in the recording. It's more than noticeable; to me it's jarring.
But it gets your attention!
I thought that too. Always seemed to me that it was the drumming from a different track.
It's clearly a little mistake left there. This was most likely the best take, and a small imperfection wasn't enough to make it bad. Bonzo slowed down a bit for a moment (or did Page speed up?) so the rest sounds o bit off for a second, but it still sounds great, so who cares? We all love this song despite the mistake
sorry, mistaken are all the rest of the world that didn´t do like them
I agree. If I recall there is a mess up in the beat late in the song, but I don’t care. That’s Rock and Roll! 👍🏻
Thank you for bringing up Frame By Frame. Easily my favorite Crimson song for the reasons you mentioned. It blows my mind how Fripp and Belew can play that live!
John Paul Jones claims he wrote the riff on an organ. In the early 2000s UK's Total Guitar Magazine published a full tab JPJ himself actually wrote in the following month and corrected a few measures of the riff and explained how he came to make it in the first place and how unorthodox the timing was due to the drums. I remember that vividly. Great video 😊
True but it's his take of TomCat from Muddy Waters Electric Mud album
More to the point JPJ showed Jimmy how to play it and JP couldn't play it like that, so he kinda played it in his own style. These are JPJ words in an interview I read in the early 90's. Just my two cents.
@@pepppery I heard Jones wrote it without an instrument on a train journey, notating it on a scrap of paper.
@@henryb160 Great info Henry, thanks!
The more you know...
I recently watched a video from Rick Beato about the differences between 90's music (specifically grunge) and today... basically the music industry used to just record them playing, tweaked some things and set it loose. He showed how the beat and time would change with how the band was playing (and feeling) the music in a song. Now it's all trim and perfect which takes a bit away from the delivery. I'd say that was a big part of how Led Zeppelin (and many others) crafted their sound and feel, likely without even realizing it... don't get me wrong, there is tons of great music today but I do see what he means about it all.
Yep, a lot of rock from the '60s and '70s sounded sloppy af compared to '80s onward. That was part of its soul. Except for The Beatles... they were just crafted af
Yeah Jimi Hendrix constantly speeds up and slows down
Educate me on what great rock music is out today. I miss something.
There's some time imperfections in "Stairway" as well...LZ were such masterful musicians I've always been convinced they did it purposefully !! Adds a certain curiosity to them that enhances the richness of their music - timeless works of art !!!!
FYI: Every time I saw Page play "Black Dog" live, he would end the riff on the chord "A" like you do, BUT - he ALWAYS immediately (within the time slot/measure) hit
the A chord again while bending the low A flat on the low E string and would bend it up to the note A while the A chord rang out. Watched him do it 5 times. I stopped listening to Zeppelin after '72 as page got so drunk or "whatever" he almost fell off the stage once in Seattle and the last time I saw them at the Forum. Broke my heart, my hero had trouble playing the easiest chords to their most simple songs. When I saw them in 'May '69 I was pretty sure they were actual Gods. So all respect to Zeppelin, no hate mail needed. I know how you feel. I love your channel MIWin and am blown away watching you learn things so fast off the top of your head. That Eric Johnson episode was beautiful. OK, Thanks. Steve Buffington
Being strung out, spiraling out of control, falling off stage, these are the traits of most great rock stars at one time or another. Most people get it together again. Some don't and some die. Sad to see on full display but almost a necessary journey it seems. If a rock star has never been strung out on deaths door living waaaaaay too fast, well are they really a true rock star lol... besides Gene Simmons and Ted Nugent of course.
@@redhathacker Ha! "Besides Gene Simmons and Ted Nugent of course" That funny! As a guitarist, Jeff Beck is one I can think of who might have gone through "a stage" but I don't think so, one of the few real guitar rock stars who started on top with "Truth" and stayed getting better every album. I am sure there are others but he comes to mind first for me. Thanks or the response.
I feel you. I find some of his performances really sad. When he was *on* though, he was untouchable. LA Forum 1972 or 1975, one of the 1975 Earls Court shows, No Quarter and Since I've Been Loving You off TSRTS.
@@stevebuffington6534 Yeah, Beck had a pretty solid career.
Hi, thanks for sharing your recollections! Was that the Seattle concert in 1977 you saw? That show was a low point indeed, and sadly the only one of the 1977 tour that is documented on professional video. The Seattle shows in 1975 were actually really good, judging by the bootlegs, especially the second one. And do you happen to remember in which year the LA Forum show you mentioned took place? Just curious from a "historian's perspective"....
Man, your content is still fire. Keep it up.
So fire
I utterly enjoyed this style of video, awesome!
Edit… I prematurely commented but holy Black Dog that was a amazing slide of the lyrics, brilliantly played 👏 sir.
Although that I would argue that it was bonham that played the drums behind time, he did it quite frequently and that’s why he was one of the best
I loved your rant at the end dude! Keep preaching that stuff!
Well produced, funny, informative. Great content. I've taken these songs for granted for so long. It's refreshing to have them explored in this way, and my joy for them rekindled.
Great detective work!!! Not only was bonzo behind the beat and jimmy rushing, but jimmy also slightly flubs a note in there...god bless them for leaving that stuff in...it's what gives their stuff so much life!!!
Led Zeppelin was my favorite band back then and I bought each Album as the were released. We did not use that term "Prog", It was Rock. Some used the term "hard rock" because it wasn't the Carpenters. You play their songs very well and I get where you are going with it.
Music is Win, this is my favorite video you’ve ever done! Seriously, it’s a very original and thoughtful idea that you have addressed here. Thanks, brutha.
I've been watching your videos since I've started playing guitar and you've made some great guitar content and advice. Keep up the good work.
Jimmy Page once said something along the lines that he wasn’t in the music business but in the business of emotions. All that really matters in the end is if one connects to the music.
Alright Tyler you convinced me, I’ll buy a Les Paul !
Brilliantly done! As a major prog head in the 70s, I always felt something delightfully slippery was going on here with the groove so it’s good to see it sussed out so humorously.
I have so often wondered about this riff. Sooooo often. Thank you for this!
I think that the only element on Led Zeppelin that really was on time was Jonesy, but even him had some "strange" arrangements on the keys. Thats, in my opinion, one of the things that makes them great - the perfect imperfection.
JPJ has said the whole point of the riffs in the song were written to not make sense and the beat not be easily/quickly followed...they were comfortably on top of their game and the music world so they said "fuck it" lets show a sense of humor and at the same time create some deceptively heavy/badass riffs....
The fortnite guy was in Led Zeppelin???
Didn't JPJ write the Black Dog lyric? Pretty sure the whole weird time signature thing was his idea. He wanted a looping riff that was off time but came back into time at the end. I think.
Rick Beato would love the ending of this video
Yup. Nothing better than playing live with the band...
Thanks for the analysis and the rant at the end. Super-great!
Good stuff! Awesome guitar collection in the background!
Great vid! Excellent call out on time sig changes and staying ahead of the snare. I have always felt slightly off when playing Black Dog. Another thing I noticed is you slide up to the 7th fret on the low E string while you are playing. The tab you screenshot doesn't have hammer on, pull offs, or slides. I have adapted hammering on the 9th fret on the G string from 7th fret in place of hitting 5th fret on B string. Same note but expands even more on the fretboard as this song is an impressive one to watch played.
The part of the riff played in this video is all 4/4. My bars are half as long as the 4/4 bars shown with the note values doubled; I use 8th notes where the video shows 16ths and 1/4s where it shows 8ths. The tricky bit is the one bar of 9/8 where this stops, just before the "Oh yeah."
The tab in the video has it all wrong from the second note, which is the first note of the bar. The time signature changes are not required and all the bar lines are in the wrong places.
In "bars" 10 and 11 there should be ten consecutive 16th notes but there are only nine, and the 5,6,7,7 on the fifth string across the bar line should be 5,6,7,5,7. In the video it is played as 5,6,7,7,7.
The repeated figure starting on the sixth string in bar 9 is nine 8th notes long so its position relative to the beat is different each time it's played. This contributes to the out of time feel, with the top note first a quarter ahead of the snare, then an 8th, and on the same beat the third time, but good drumming enhances the rhythmic oddity.
Lining the music up on a grid is autotune for timing and has the same sort of effect on expression, though without the dire effect on the tonal quality of voices.
Led Zeppelin is such a cool band
Fantastic attention to detail and pursuit of dialing this in!
Far and away this is my favorite video of yours.
It really speaks to Zeppelin's magic that they defy genre, ya know? I've seen them be called a metal band, now prog, Jimmy Page would randomly bust out "Burré" on stage during solos... pretty amazing for a rock and roll band.
Spot on! That's the problem with trying to pigeon-hole bands into genres. Just saw Martin Barre, former guitarist of Jethro Tull, in concert doing the whole Aqualung album. How Tull went from hard rock like that to the English-Folk music of Songs From The Wood shows how you don't have to be one or the other. In It Might Get Loud, Page explains how he turned a classical riff and basically played it backwards to create the great Kashmir!
@@gregmiller7123 Being in a genre isn't being pigeon holed. The Beatles are still a rock band no matter how many revolution 9's and when I'm 64's they put out.
@@redrick8900 My point was that labeling a group a certain type of genre automatically causes some people to tune out. And saying the Beatles were a rock band just means that their music fell into about any of the about 500 sub-genres of rock. I'm 64, my dad knew the Beatles were going to cause the world to end and now I hear them in the elevator. From metal to prog to alt to pop, when you put those words in front of rock there will be those that will punch out. Thanks for your input!
@@gregmiller7123 I don't care what idiots do.
I think your channel would benefit from more videos like this one. It is cool to cover various riffs and unique aspects of the music we all love. It was great that you included tabs and discussed the timing signatures.
The part of the riff played in this video is all 4/4. My bars are half as long as the 4/4 bars shown with the note values doubled; I use 8th notes where the video shows 16ths and quarters where it shows 8ths. The tricky bit is the one bar of 9/8 where this stops, just before the "Oh yeah."
The tab in the video has it all wrong from the second note, which is the first note of the bar. The time signature changes are not required and all the bar lines are in the wrong places.
In "bars" 10 and 11 there should be ten consecutive 16th notes but there are only nine, and the 5,6,7,7 on the fifth string across the bar line should be 5,6,7,5,7. In the video it is played as 5,6,7,7,7.
The repeated figure starting on the sixth string in bar 9 is nine 8th notes long so its position relative to the beat is different each time it's played. This contributes to the out of time feel, with the top note first a quarter ahead of the snare, then an 8th, and on the same beat the third time, but good drumming enhances the rhythmic oddity.
Lining the music up on a grid is autotune for timing and has the same sort of effect on expression, though without the dire effect on the tonal quality of voices.
Love your channel! Keep it up!
Incredible picking apart and breaking it down for us. Thanks.
I can count it, I know exactly what it is. I can count all that stuff in my head because I can feel it.
Someone finally said it! It’s iconic Zeppelin. Both Whole lotta love and Black Dog use rhythm as a way to approach “tension and release.” The slightly off-beat feel makes it feel so tense but then theres parts where it locks in and has “release.”
love your videos man.
Well done!! What’s challenging is maintaining your own equilibrium when another bandmate gets behind or in front of the beat. Let’s face it. These guys were TIGHT!!! I’m reminded of a Chicago tune. “After all that we’ve been through … “. There are spots in the song where everyone slows down, gradually yet drastically, til it FEELS like you’re going off the cliff. You can’t count or even conduct something like that. But when you and your band are tight? The sky’s the limit 👍🎶✨
New subscriber here! I have a somewhat unique perspective on this song as I play drums and sing it at the same time and I'm classically trained at Juilliard. I always think of the song in half time, and the vocal cadenzas as stop time fermatas over the 2 and 3 of a measure of 4/4. No time change needed. At least not one I need to worry about counting. I just give a hat chick before the next & of 3 or just have the band watch for my & of 3 uncued. But, yes, the guitar part key is that Jimmy is playing ahead of the band. It's like John was trying to pull him back in that section. That's how to nail the feel. Great vid! I'll be watching more!
Great video! I recently joined a local Zep tribute that was already established and I’m a few months in. Black Dog is a nightmare to lock down - if you’re trying! I ended up on the path you took, learning the whole thing as a series of riffs and just playing along with the recordings. Have you tested your “late drum” theory vs. live versions of Black Dog like on SRTS or the O2 show with Jason? I’m curious how Jason handled that section!
Thanks to you, I can prove my sanity on this song! I find the best way is to just hope you and the bassist are on point and plow through it. Definitely think it’s one of the oddest songs I’ve played...and I used to do Chili Peppers, Kiss (Ace), and Rob Zombie (J5)! Plus, as a Rush fan, I love off-time innovative stuff...
Ha Ha! I have always enjoyed your playing and your videos!! But when you mentioned Frame by Frame from KC Discipline, well my opinion of you (as if you care, ha!) really elevated. Nice job and thanks for hours of instruction and entertainment!!
THAT WAS THE BEST OUTRO IVE EVER SEEN ON CZcams👑🙌🏻🙌🏻
Based on this, Soundgarden is a prog band. Alternate tunings, crazy time signatures, time changes in songs, the works. Not your average "grunge" band and also my favorite band. 🤘
Yes
Superunknown probably has more alternate tunings than any Led Zeppelin album.
I've argued for Zep as a prog band for years. It's just that most prog bands have a full time keyboard player acting as the "orchestra" and Zep only did that occasionally, with stuff like Kashmir or The Rain song. But a song like Four Sticks definitely qualifies as prog. Hell, so does Stairway!
So true- The Song Remains the Same is another perfect example which sets up the RAIN SONG...
Since ive been lovong you os a progressive blues definetely. Perfect example is version From a HTWWW.
If we compare a hard rock from 70 to zepps we see that Zeps define it in first to albums and after that they do much more. Maybe Presence is a most guitar zep hard rock album after Led Zeppelin 2
Great video, Tyler! Love the ending, it's so true.
i am impressed with the tones that you are getting
JPJ wrote the riff.He wanted it to be too difficult for other bands to cover.Led Zep themselves found it too difficult to adhere to live, so they resorted back to 4/4.
Regarding the part where there's the repeating riff that finally returns to the main riff (4:34) -- to help play it properly and have it "sync up" with the drums correctly, I think of it as a 7-note pattern (played over a standard 4/4 drum groove), that repeats 4 times -- and on the 4th repeat it morphs back up into the main riff. SO -- the thing to get right is which of the "7 notes" in the pattern syncs up with the drum's downbeat, and thus should be "accented" in your mind. On repeat #1, it's note 4 of the pattern. On repeat #2, it's note 3 of the pattern. On repeat #3 it's note 2 of the pattern. And on last repeat it's note 1 of the pattern. If you concentrate on matching (and accenting) those particular notes with the drum's downbeat on each repeat, it all works...
this is exactly the way I feel it. the phrase is displaced by an extra 1/16th note each time through of the 4xs. this is done in jazz all the time where a riff is placed on different beats.the reason most people can't feel it this way is that their underlying sense of time isn't strong enough ... so for instance they would have trouble counting through a Buddy Rich drum solo. it's a shame because when this is the case so many miss out on the cool ways phrases can feel utterly different over steady batches of 1/8ths or in the case of Black Dog 1/16ths
@@LosNoviembres The verse part in "Puttin' On the Ritz" is an example of what you're saying...
@@mikeriesco6174 and the repeated phrase in "Fascinating Rhythm" or Steve Vai's Attitude Song.
So glad I watched to the end. Last 10sec is gold.
Cool! This is the most difficult Zeppelin riff for me. I've seen it notated insanely. This was very helpful. Thanks!
Haha Black Dog was pretty much one of the first Led Zeppelin riffs my guitar teacher got me playing when I was 14. He told me the trick for the odd time signature was to listen for that drum stick hit just before the riff starts to get yourself in the groove.
The only odd time signature is the one bar of 9/8 where extended version of the riff finishes.
First of all, I like the video and appreciate the work you put into it. I have seen cover bands that have been playing Zeppelin 30+ years and they still don't have the songs figured out. So don't feel bad when I say: you played none of the songs correctly here, and Black Dog isn't your only problem. But the main reason your Black Dog interpretation isn't sounding right, is because you're playing an entirely wrong note ("wrong" meaning that Page and Jones aren't playing that note). Also, just because the recording is different than a "quantized" version doesn't mean the timing is wrong. The word "ritardando" has been around hundreds of years. I like how you broke it down and highlighted it tho.
Yeah, he missed the dissonant D push in Four Sticks as well, which means he is playing Whole Lotta Love incorrectly too.
I noticed that too, missing the d note before going back to the main riff (black dog) Fairly obvious I would’ve thought
Also the tuning on Friends isn't CGCGCE. It's CACGCE
This a fantastic lesson, I know nothing about music theory, and as a matter of fact nothing else. But when I play in time it works.. even if I hit a few notes. Keep teaching, we the world love ya man
that timberline acoustic is so gorgeous!
Even as a kid (I'm 52 now) & years before I picked up a guitar, I always thought that song sounded weird with the drums. I even saw Bonham once opening for the Cult and they played it ... and it was weird.
That sounded like a bible verse.
"And God so heard the sound of Black Dog, and Black Dog was weird!"
Bonham 3:18
‘He that saith”The black dog is weird” knows not the truth - the weirdness is in the looking.’
- Melodius Qark, ‘What’s Jesus Laughing About ?’
@@doktabob328 i think we have the makings of a rock bible.
Holy Trinity is Little Richard, Jimmy Hendrix, and Johnny Ramone.
Black dogs that. Climb ladders are.good luck omens
I mean…Stairway to Heaven is basically the prototype of an epic prog composition. And yeah that was all Bonham’s feel…pushed it to the most extreme on Over the Hills and Far Away. He’s like a full 16th note behind lol it works though!
Amen to that final rant. Most artists are not in perfect time when they perform live at least not for an entire song. But we hear an album/track that was cut and mixed but still have the expectation that we're able to nail it in a session. Tyler gets pretty damn close and that is why I enjoy these videos.
Brilliant breakdown. Now I get it 🤯🤘👏👏👏
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You nailed it. Seems to me that there's only 2 people on the internet that can nail Jimmy page and that is you and Rick Beato. You both are epic
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There's other guy, some old long hair fella that nails even Heartbreaker solo... Search for "Composser analyses Led Zeppelin" or something like that
Rick Beato made a mess of Black Dog in his Top 10 Led Zeppelin Riffs and it's wrong in this video too. All the bar lines in the tab are in the wrong places and the time signature should be 4/4 throughout with one bar of 9/8 at the end. The 6,7,7 At the beginning of bar 11 should be 6,7,5,7. In this video it is played as 6,7,7,7 and Beato adds an extra note, playing 6,7, 7 (on 6th string), 5, 7.
@@nightjaronthegate post up your video of you doing it.
@@sledsports There is another error but not in the guitar. In Zeppelin's recording Jones plays triplets, twelve notes to Page's eight, from the beginning of "bar 4," but here the triplets are in the bass drum, they start later in the "bar"...and they're not triplets.
Very interesting and well done analysis.
Fun fact: The 5/4 bit at the beginning of each repeat of the riff was omitted in their live performance, and was instead changed to 4/4 (so they didnt have that short pause right after the vocal line ended like in the studio version, but rather played the riff immediately as the last vocal line was sung)
4:34 I’ve been listening to this for 50 years, and I still can’t figure out how to play it. 😩
If this helps... I think of it as a 7-note pattern (played over a standard 4/4 drum groove), that repeats 4 times -- and on the 4th repeat it morphs back up into the main riff. SO -- the thing to get right is which of the "7 notes" in the pattern syncs up with the drum's downbeat, and thus should be "accented" in your mind. On repeat #1, it's note 4 of the pattern. On repeat #2, it's note 3 of the pattern. On repeat #3 it's note 2 of the pattern. And on last repeat it's note 1 of the pattern. If you concentrate on matching (and accenting) those particular notes with the drum's downbeat on each repeat, it all works...
"No matter how many times you play it just simply does not sound the same"
That because you are a mortal
Led Zeppelin are Gods
Thank You, my Friend. Love your work. I will be dipping into your music exploration forever. Thank You :)
"noun. an act or instance of exploring or investigating; examination. the investigation of unknown regions."
Well done good soul!
I especially appreciated the fade out rant.
It's the curse of the music student and the music professor, they hear tunings and time signatures and don't here the music. Great music pulls you in and you don't pay attention to the timing or the tuning. Great musicians don't bound themselves with constraints of tunings and timing. Get lost in the music of Zeppelin, Hendricks, Van Halen, and all the other greats. They weren't playing sloppy, they were just playing, and we were just listening
Keep in mind that when Led Zeppelin came around, terms like "heavy metal" and "progressive rock" hadn't been codified as specific genres. Zep was part of the vanguard--the terminology came about a little later. They both had roots in the late 60's, but the stereotypes of metal fans as boneheads and prog fans as insufferable music nerds didn't come into play until the 70's.
Yes!!! Love it Tyler!!
I've been a LZ fan since I was a little child, influenced by older sibling. Later on, I had some difficulties in a classical music school, meaning I would be late on my first beat more than often, especially in solfegio class. My guitar teacher had some hard time fixing my timing, until she heard that my favorite band was LZ. We spent 3 months playing and listening to some 4/4 classical music and 4/4 rock bands, focusing on my timing problem, and boy did we fix it. I had some struggles but thanks to that I'm more diverse musician now.
Do a video on Pink Floyd
The timing between verse phrases is consistent in Led Zeppelin's live videos of Black Dog. The studio version is very inconsistent between verse phrases. This makes me wonder if they were composing phrases and then arranging them by cutting and splicing the audio tape with a razor blade and cellophane tape as was common in those days.
interesting point
They wanted to have a stop and start feel to the song like blues artists used to do back in the day.
@@trashychannel8150 hes saying that the studio vs live performances arent exactly the same so there must have been some tape splicings on the recording. i havent checked this though
No, it's a live recording. The pause time is free. On some remasters you can ear Bonzo givin a sticks "click" 1/16 before starting with the riff. (sorry for my english) to keep everyone in time.
Loved this! Thanks for entertaining me.
Loved THIS! and everything you teach! Ta Tref X
They're definitely on the progressive end of the musical spectrum, but inventing and innovating blues-rock certainly required a lot of experimentation. I thought this fact was well known. I've always felt that their progressiveness was the major part of their appeal.
LZ 4 was one of the first lps that I bought back in the 70’s Black Dog was pure masterpiece and obviously played differently live and will always be an all time favorite, if you listen to page during interviews the guy was definitely ahead of his time producing amazing music with limited tech availability at the time.
Great video and good insight, thanks.
That part always bugged me while listening. I think now I can enjoy it more. Thanks for the breakdown.
That ending tho... :D
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Awesome video man! I was convinced within literally a minute
Love the rant at the end. Agreed.
Led Zeppelin was really prog for its time. All the odd time signatures the cool lyrics. (Obviously whole lotta love and black dog are cliche lyrics for rock) but Zeppelin definitely got that prog thing down after led zeppelin 2
Sweeeet!
I would say the opening of Celebration Day is the one I struggle with the most. Nice breakdown!
Nice work man!