Previous trainer was afraid to get on him
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- čas přidán 14. 09. 2023
- First time working with this new horse. 1st trainer was afraid to get on him and 2nd trainer made it worse. Now the owner is afraid of him. I'm going to see if I can help him.
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Every interaction counts. They are always learning.
I tried telling my non horsey husband this and he didn't quite understand it. We equestrians build a routine and we can NEVER GET LAZY! Shortcuts lead to gapped learning and dominant horses with negative behaviors. A horse is a mirror image of us and our teachings. If your horse is pushy towards you and you let your guard down they can and will take advantage of that situation. It is a lot easier to stay on a routine as exhausting as it can get than go back and correct behavior...which is a lot more exhausting.
i've never seen a horse more attentive and alert. He has really been scrutinizing this human & double checking his work. And...testing leadership. He seems impressed by you. :)
I was thinking the same thing... 👍
Bubba meet Tim. The buck stops here
Bless him, he's green and looking for reassurance, he's not nasty just unsure. He needs someone confident, like you, kind but firm. 👍
This chap seems a good old fashioned, common sense horseman. One of the good guys, not one of the old fashioned bad ones. 👍
Bubba is a handsome horse! Will be fun to watch him mature.....he has some spunk!
Love the cows. Probably gossiping, assessing and judging every new mount. "OK who had 'terrified owner' on their Bingo card??" MOOOO
Really appreciate the written comments. Helps me with my hearing deficits.
He watches you like a hawk!! He seems non-agressive and has respect for you!!! He is magnificent ❤
Steve Young from England is the man for any Problem horses - the man is amazing.
Hmmm.
He (Steve Young) is certainly an excellent teacher of _people_ , and often , learning a different way to approach a problem, be it with a horse or with mathematics, gives a person the confidence to succeed and move forward - and hence away from the problem. Heck sometimes just learning that YOU are the problem, helps; so I don't want to 'dis' him for doing what he does.
I do, though, feel that too often (not always, of course) he's 'merely' teaching the rider/handler ways to _avoid_ the problem - which of course is useful, but not necessarily an actual solution to the issue in hand.
@@Sine-gl9lyAny tutorial incorporates both ,or should do.
Steve’s very good with problem horses,and also Barry hook who does carriage driving old school, is a master in horse handling, not much scares or unsettles Barry in a difficult situation..he is sent stallions together with even mare in season..I think a lot is to do with his confidant n calm persons n his wealth of knowledge ..he has visited the US before ..he has a long waiting list to school them..like anyone else you have to learn..young people do,young horses do…it’s all about holding as much know how as possible to help ..but unknown horses traits are the worse..buying a new horse is a minefield .
@@Cazgirl-hq4hi Yes, of course any teacher needs to incorporate _multiple_ ways of managing an issue, be it an issue of the human or of the horse (or, most frequently, one that has been _caused_ , often unknowingly/accidentally, _by_ a human _to_ a horse.
Barry Hook is of a similar age to me - a few years younger, I think - and we seem to have a very similar attitude towards horses. I can see myself in some of the thi gs he does and says, albeit I have a northern accent not a London one! Sadly old injuries returned to haunt me a few years ago, and actively working with horses as I used to and would still like to, is now an impossibility.
And Steve doesn’t provide blanket statements about men and women, which is nice.
Btw, I say what I mean. Not a man.
I've commented on this before but I wanted to say again how much I appreciate the way you explain things. I love and will always remember that tip about standing out far enough that you can see the eye when picking up the front foot. I get so much out of these types of videos working on basic foundation type things. Thank you so much!!
You have to make sure not to torque the leg when you pick the foot up as well. Even the best trained horse isn’t going to want to let you pick his feet out if you’re causing pain to his joints every time!
They should have named him Side-eye. He seems smart, healthy, and a bit bored.
He’s a beauty.!
Thank you for pointing out when the horse in a nearby stall squealed causing Bubba to step into your space. Only top horsemen would have noticed and understood why Bubba moved into you.
It took 5 trainers for my horse. The main reason being most trainers assume a hot pushy horse needs a lot running around. I want a horse i can just get on without running him into a death sweat. My horse needed training that involved mental training, not using punishment and tie downs to susposed keep him safe. Once i found a trainer that inspired trust in my horse , the training finally happened. A wise horseman told me, stay one step ahead of your horses behavior, and redirect to better behavior when needed instead of correcting and punishing.... but to this day every interaction with my horse reqires that i stay aware, redirect even the smallest attemps to be a bully, instead of punishment.
Sounds like my grandson 😊
I watch your videos every day. You are a bottomless pit of good information and it cracks me up when you comment about viewers who say you are doing things wrong. The proof is in the pudding, you clearly know what you're doing!
Oh I have to smirk inside at these totally unrealistic (usually very young, 1 horse owners) folks who think you can sing your horse into doing all you want.
Many horses come to you damaged & w/then it's all about earning their trust. But some? They've simply pushed their weight around & you have to have a firmer hand (imho). So far, I'm liking what I see✌️
and the old saying is true... "opinions are like rear ends... everyone has one."
You can see in his eyes that he's been hurt emotionally. He has emotional issues. There's an underlying sadness in him. Is he trying to be made into something he's not? I could see him with a younger girl who has experience riding and has nothing but love and kindness towards him, something that he could give back to her. I hope this beautiful boy finds that.
I agree.
Looking forward to seeing more of how you progress this horse!
Another nice horse. Pleasant expression, and he did some licking and chewing when you picked up his back right foot.
This horse has attitude he wants to be in charge. He doesn’t have a fear factor.
Hi there, we're from NZ. First time viewer. Space is probably the first and most important thing to start with. Can't stand the disrespect of a bargy horse, and we try hard to correct that as soon as it appears. It's probably the most dangerous move a horse can make because it's the thin end of the wedge. Their bodyweight is so much more than yours, it doesn't take much to cause alot of nastiness.
“Don’t you know that I’m in charge?” - 🐴
“Oh no you ain’t!” - 🤠
He definitely seems more cooperative than not. Thanks you for your very clear explanations of his behavior and your reactions to it.
I look forward to part 2. I know you aren't overly tall but he looks like a good sized horse which can add to the intimidation factor when he gets pushy. Overall he has a kind eye and pleasant expression. I think he will turn out nice in the end. Just needs the right guidance to get there.
Part 2 is out
I agree…I’m guessing he had little to no handling as a foal and inexperienced owners who let him get away with pushy behavior - setting the foundation of that snotty attitude. He’s a nice looking horse and doesn’t seem to have that nasty demeanor of a horse intent on inflicting harm.
You can see him thinking.
Beautiful horse. Hope he gets a chance!
Confident and assertive interaction...horse knew he wasn't king pin.
It's all in the approach just as you say...men say it as it is.
Great video. No cotton wool
I love your calm, in-charge demeanor with him. Beautiful to watch!
Good to see a confident man take charge with experience and not a whip. One that is taking time to assess the situation. TY!
I kept watching is eyes, and facial expression as you were working on him.
I may be imagining it, but I want to say that I see the look of, "this guy definitely knows what he's doing". Not that he isn't going to still try to test you.
Can't wait for the next video.
❤️🌵☀️⛈️🌈☮️🐎
Sometimes I think it's a " wow someone who knows how to communicate with me"
@@joanneday7518 👍😃
I like how you are explaining what is happening as we see it. Knowing what is behind the behavior is very helpful.
The way the horse is behaving for you is fantastic. The other trainer (owner) just sent scared (or wrong) vibes to the horse. Your confident and you are sending that to the horse.
Respect and boundaries.....gets over looked too much! Trainers usually put that in place as part of training. He never was taught or he has taken advantage of every handler.
His owner is lucky to have found you!
Finally somebody that knows what they are talking about! This is a man that can and will teach you!
I love watching you. You’re direct, honest and kind.
I hauled horses for 2 major horse carriers, thoroughbreds, hunters and jumpers the best in the world. He is good horse, stallions are a handful, I hated handling them. I have been kicked, bitten, struck and oh yea head butted. Horses are smart they will get you in sneaky ways. I liked the big warm bloods and draft horses they are easy peezy. Good video, good trainer.
I trained cow ponies in West Texas since the 80’s,then moved to Wyoming and trained trail horses, pack horses, and horses to drive for years. Moved to Oregon and ran a stable and pack trips . Most of my work at the stables was re training spoiled horses where people had made them unmanageable by not knowing about horses, just buying one ,learning to ride and thinking that was all there was. It takes time to get through to them and gently bring them back around to good behavior but it feels so good when you are done. Good videos.
Looking forward to part 2!
A very smart horse , looking for the first angle, a little edge . All was watching.
My Hancock mare was exactly like this when I 1st got her home.
I was extremely rigid and consistent with bubbles, boundries and what was being asked of her.
After 6 months, she is considerably softer. She is now "with me".
Maybe the 1 thing that worked the best was not letting her get to her grain until she softened and willingly let me pet her forehead. Really what I wanted was for her to soften. The petting gave her a self-reward. I simply held my hand in front of her face until she softened and "petted herself".
But in the beginning, I was walking into the corral with a sorting stick...and had to use it several times.
But she is much safer to be around now. That translates to the riding as well.
😮😊
Good morning guys, Thank you for video Tim.
What a excellent trainer you are! You stated everything this horse was up to.
My daughter had a dominant horse and he tried to chuck her off in the paddock when he realised he couldn't he settled and from then on he was the best horse and she had many happy years with him
Beautiful horse
Boy he sure does like the camera LOL
He looks like he’s found someone he can trust and keep him in line.
Poor mare.
I can't tell you how many times I've heard people say that thier horse steps towards them because they (the horse) like me. Most I've felt with actually pet the horse when this happens! I have explained this exact pushy problem repeatedly, as I'm sure you have. Thank you for the great video. 😊
So sad that most people that have horses have no idea of what their nature is and sadly reinforce bad behaviours. Having said that I have a little mare that is very insecure. She will try to hide behind me when she's unsure.
Early on, I learned the hard way that a horse’s first impression of your leadership abilities is hard to change. When you make expectations clear from the outset, they seem to test you a lot less. I think that’s why many of us no -professional horse folks need to work harder to gain our horses’ respect, because we don’t see micro-aggression as easily. This is a good demonstration of how to see pushiness that starts small and grows really fast.
Appreciate the explanation of why you do things. Thank you. Not all horses are for everyone
I agee, he acts like a young horse. I think he'll do well with your training. Part 2 should be interesting!
Incredible video, in awe of your skills Connie.
Beautiful grounds you have there Tim. I really enjoy your explanations of the steps you put him through❤
Can’t wait to see part 2!
Love watching him watching you, watching your videographer and taking all his surroundings in. He is sussing it out and no doubt will soon find out whats not acceptable. As you say a dominant horse and I am surprised a trainer would not be strong enough to lead his mind. He's clearly found the right learning place. Will be back tomorrow for round 2.
You have a wonderful set up.
Love this video!! Can’t wait for the rest of the video!!!
I'm watching your channel. Found it today.❤❤ So you have trolls and Arm Chair Animal Behaviorist, your letting them get under your skin. You do a great job. My oldest sister was a horse trainer. She and her husband trained thoroughbred race horses.
Ignore the trolls and Bots. Glad I found you.😊😊
I see this so much at the boarding barn where I keep my TWH. Horses moving all over the place when (mostly women, unfortunately!) being handled or saddled! I just want to tell them not to let their horses do that! It's so dangerous to the rest of us with horses that stand nice, I'm always keeping an eye on these horses cause I don't want them bumping into me and my horse! I have gotten after horses that try to bump into me and I don't care if the owner likes it or not!
Nice work!
Keep it coming.
I'm impressed with Tim & this beautiful horse!! I hope Baba is a quick learner.
Exactly! Every interaction is progress…. 🐎 are very smart!
This was an excellent and very helpful video!!! xx
Thanks for this awesome video!
I used to feed horses and helped a vet a couple times and I learned that horses are smart and they seem to know if you are afraid...I respected them and was cautious. The better you are with horses the better off the horse is😊
I am waiting in anticipation for the next video. I had a 16.2hh TB and he looks like this horse's twin. He was 4 years old when I bought him and extremely pushy. I did a lot of groundwork with him to teach him boundaries but I am not a trainer. He did get better but he never completely submitted. I feel like he never took me seriously and was like "whatever." I could jump and yell and wave my arms in front of him and then back him up but he wouldn't move and just seemed bored. He seemed to be moody. Sometimes he was quiet and gentle and other times pulling and nipping. He was like this with everyone. My trainer said he was immature and very playful. She did very well with him but he was still nippy. She trained him for jumping for about 4 months and he seemed to love it. I decided to sell him because I wasn't experienced enough to handle him. I had him for very stressful 2 years. The new owner seems very happy with him.
I'm in this situation now with my TB mare although she's extremely high strung. I hate to admit I'm over-horsed but I know I should start making the move to sell her. I don't want to waste a lot of money for boarding and lessons if I feel I can't enjoy her.
@@lacouerfairy I really recommend it. I should have sold mine much earlier but he has a medical condition that would make any competion difficult. I didn't want him to be passed around from one owner to the next. Start the process now and just be very selective. I lost about 10K on this horse, mainly from training fees but I couldn't sell him without it. Best wishes!
Thanks for sharing.
I never thought of it that way about the dominant and recessive horse. but it makes total sense. Thanks for your great training video :)
Submissive, hah! Caught me!
Love the way you explain yourself and the why
I'm not arrogant enough to tell you that you're doing something wrong! I assume you got to your age and people come to you for help because you know what you're doing. Beautiful horse, I'm about to watch Part 2!
I love your videos. My girl died I will watch your videos on buying horse again thanks
Nice looking horse
Excellent insight.
You seem old-style to me. I love the perspective of Ryan Rose recognizing the physical and mental and emotional issues of horses he has worked with. That is a really nice horse, by the way!
@3:36 he's listening very intently to you and then shows you he understood the words "turn to bite me." Stubborn, but smart.
That was amazing …right after you said why you stand where you do …he turned his head and if you hadn’t stopped him he was going to bite you. If you hadn’t been standing where you were, he would have taken a nice little chunk out of you.
That is the difference between a trainer like I am and a clinician teaching people. I work horses all day every day and I've been doing that for many years. With all that experience I can read a horse really well. Clinicians teach people not horses and work more in generalities not specifics of individual horses. People should understand that clinicians are people trainers not horse trainers.
Amazing how many TV experts there are. As in sitting at home, watching this on TV, and telling the expert he’s doing it wrong. The psychology alone is specialist. Standing safely with an unknown is another. But everything is sooo simple to those who don’t know.
Well said and worked out. I have had several horses other people couldn't work with. Most of it had to do with just listening to what the horse is trying to tell the trainer who isn't listening. My current horse was the same age as Bubba when the top Driving trainers in the state labeled him un-driveable and untrustworthy under saddle. His owner started driving him around three, which is quite young for a Hackney. He is now a reliable and loving horse. A big goofball that all the vets, farriers and just about anyone else he comes into contact with, are in love with.
Beautiful horse !👌🏻
You have a very nice barn .... COOL!!💕🐎
You are a horse whisperer.😂 I think this horse understands that you are talking about him.
seems to be an excellent handsome horse.
The buck stops hear with the right trainer with TIM AND FAMILY SHUT THE BARN DOORS ANOTHER HORSE SAVED BY TIM GOD BLESS HAPPY FRIDAY YOU ALL 🙏 ✝️ 🕊 🕊 🐎 🐴
thank you for sharing your knowledge
I'm amazed at your knowledge. I'm not an owner, just an interested viewer.
I like your approach
Looks like he will be a good horse, but as you said he wants to be leader. And he's big enough to push a person around. He's what 16 hands or so? Is he gelded? Couldn't see. If he is gelded already could it be it was done late? Any way I would treat him as a stallion, like watch him closely, and not allow him to push you, you are doing just that. I wonder if when young the person let him get away with anything, since that he will try to give orders instead of doing what was asked from him.
Your explanation on what you are doing and why, makes people how to stay safe while around horses.
Can't wait to see this horse trained and rode. He was so interested with the cattle, after he's worked with, he might be a good cattle horse, but that will be later.
Thank you for giving this horse a chance to learn. He acts like he's very young with very little handling.
Nice video beautiful horse.
He is a very pretty horse.
I am waiting for the second video with baited breath. This horse is like a twin, even in looks, with my horse. At least his behavior at the wash rack. I worked a lot with him and he got better about space but I had to be away from him for close to two months due to health and travel reasons , and his old behavior is back.
2nd video will be out tomorrow
Problem #1 ~ his name. What a low expectation name. Horses do have souls ya know---and intelligence and perceptions of their own about things. sigh. If he was mine, I'd change "Bubba" to BREGO. (It's a horse name from Lord of the Rings---Brego was the King's son's horse's name, from the land of the Horse Masters in Rohan) Other than that---I'm so glad the owner brought him to you for retraining!! 😄
Great suggestion!
My first Quarter mare "crashed" 4 trainers...ended up doing it myself and I buried the "reining" career of her but she turned out a reliable family horse (still nuts and discussing with 22) 🤷♀️
Just came across your video and I like what your bio has to say ☺️ I’m not a “horse person” per se, but I’m an animal lover who enjoys learning more about them every day. I also have a lot of respect for people who are aware, and teach others, based on animals and their reactions/behaviors that show how they’re feeling. We’ve taught our children from the time they could crawl how to pet animals, how to treat them and what to watch for: ears, tail, back hairline, eyes, etc. Animals ALWAYS give warnings - we as humans just aren’t always paying attention. I’m 9:19 in and am liking what I sea (😉) so far. Looking forward to what else you’ll be teaching. Thank you!
Great video
Love you videos, can't even ride a horse.. but love lsitening to your knowledge of horse... and your accent!.. greetings from London..
Thanks 😉 👍
Wish I had someone like you around when in my teens my parents bought me a first horse which almost stomped me to death. I’m 73 yrs old now and I don’t get around any animal larger than myself. They can sense my apprehension and I sense theirs. After being bitten several times, kicked, stepped on, closed lined, runaway and thrown, fear took me over dealing with large animals. And although I can appreciate their beauty and stateliness the damage has been done. Great video though, I learned more in 15 minutes than I ever did in my ignorant youth.
He gives you the eye at times. Very attentive horse, you have to be aware at all times
Do you think you might ever do a video about watching the signs and what the signs are that your horse may be on his way to hurting you?? It was refreshing to hear you say don't get complacent because that is so very true! We do tend to get complacent after we've had a horse for a while and we don't pay attention like we should I'd love to see all the signs that you would look out for thanks for doing what you do!
for a start, the ears. Always the ears. Also head posture.
Be careful. ❤❤❤
Good job.
These dominant horses can become dangerous in the wrong hands. People think that's an exaggeration. After 2 weeks of care by a non horsey person, my young dominant type gelding reverted back to pushiness. It took a session to change his mind!
I'm not going to try to correct you for anything😊. I'm learning from everything you say and do!❤