Volkswagen Golf GTI vs Golf GTI Performance Pack: are the upgrades worth it?
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This is ridiculous you compared a dsg to a manual???? Stupid. Next time use the same transmission.
Should of had 2 manuals or 2 DSG's with one being a standard GTI and the other the Performance pack upgrade... That would of made more sense to see if the performance pack is really worth it or not!
DSG vs manual - no comparison here.
i would like to have seen a dsg (w/o pp) vs dsg (w/pp)
In addition to the LSD, the PP also comes with the Golf R's brakes. If you think about what it would cost to put in a diff and upgrades brakes, the money is well worth it.
Upgraded*
Bennett MacLauchlan Totally agree, the front rotor is massive 340mm and rear is freaking vented 310mm. Even big brake kits for some car rear are not even vented. I just bought a 17 sport which have the PP
for same money you can buy wavetraq diff which is muuuch better the one PP has.
You can definitely buy the actually differential for less (~$1,000), but I would imagine the installation would be a few hundred on top of the actual Wavetrac purchase. Additionally, big brake kits can run anywhere from $1,200 to $2,000 depending on what you want. These might be better than the Golf R brakes for track driving, but for every day driving, there isn't much difference. All in all, the PP is a steal.
Very stupid compare! DSG vs Manual!
+Daniel Costa Um, car "journalists" are doing this more and more. I just refuse to listen to them. I have a 6-speed manual and love it. DSGs are frequently problematic. The DSG in my last car was a MINI and ALL first-year editions were recalled for transmission issues! And my brother's car also had one. It also had problems. Seems some car brands still haven't fixed the poor reliability problems so I say avoid DSGs like the AIDS virus. They're going to be expensive to fix if something goes wrong.
+Liv Z The manual is still much more durable and can handle more power.
that is an incorrect statement, dsg transmission can handle more power, manual transmission will eventually have clutch slippage
Hugo Fierro You're right, this was before I read about the VW's DSG being rated for much more power.
Hugo Fierro wrong. That point has nothing to do with what Daniel Costa stated. The comparison is pointless and has nothing to do with DSG vs manual transmissions.
The differential alone is worth it!
Not really an ideal test either.
Both cars should be on the 18 inch rims, and both should be using the same gearbox.
I don't agree with the 18 inch rim difference but do agree with the same gearbox
The front diff keeps car in line and accelerating. If you hate understeer, PP is a must. Pretty good value in my opinion. Brakes, Diff, HID are bundled in the sport trim in 2017. Sport trim also have better looking wheels imo. I hate the massive dish type.
I'd rather hear about real world driving. Like does the diff help on wet/snowy roads. I personally don't have a track near me to even go to let alone do it if I did.
have you ever tracked a car?
i dont think driver ass is available
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Isn't the driver assistance pkg standard on the S, SE and Autobahn?
How much of the time difference is due to the different gear ratios of the manual vs. the DSG? I would like to know how much better the LSD is when accelerating hard from standstill in the wet - that alone could justify it.
U can turn off the traction and stability control in a mk7 at least, u gotta play around with the menu and its hidden in a submenu under ESC options
Hey AutoExpress, my question is can you feel the difference in larger brakes ?
unfair test.....should have used same gearbox on both models....stupid.
Title is wrong, this is a comparison between DSG and manual. How can you compare a standard GTI to a performance pack gti while they have a different gearbox lol?
1.6 sec quicker even with the manual shifter vs DSG, impressive!
manual gearbox is better than DSG in circuit, and lighter...
Manual shifters are only quick if the person driving can do clean shifts. How many gear boxes do you manufacturers
he didnt commend if the bigger brakes made a difference? or did I miss that?
If you're not racing on the track, but want to keep this an inexpensive driver's car/DD, then the lighting package is the only upgrade worth paying. Base model `S` + bi-xenon adaptive headlights and cloth seats. No nav, no backup cam, no moonroof, no dual-climate control, no PP.
Don't be sold on features you aren't gonna use. Save that ~$6k for your next car in the future or something else. You'll still be stoked on the car. I'd rather ensure I get the right exterior color and non-leather seats. If you start wanting all those other options you'll have to limit your choices or order one and wait forever. Then you'll still kick yourself a few months later when the Golf R comes out.
You cannot be more wrong. If there something you MUST pay it is the performance pack. The e-diff does not only make sense on a track, it´s even more useful on normal roads because it really helps in corners. Where normal FWD car would start going straight from the curve, the GTI with LSD just turns into the corner. The much bigger brakes are another bonus of Performance pack.
So forget about sat nav, xenons etc. Go for the performance pack: the best spent money from the extras list.
Miloš Chrenko I ended up leasing instead of buying and got an `SE` + bi-xenons. Couldn't be happier. I could have waited for the PP but then my payments woulda been more and not worth it for a lease. I don't drive enough miles to buy, and like to have a new car every few years. The PP would be nice, sure, but the GTI is already an amazing handling fwd car that already has hardly any noticable understeer. So it's really a matter of preference and budget. And after having this for over a month, I actually like the moonroof, backupcam, and leather seats. But definitely don't regret not having the crappy nav or dual-climate control of the autobahn.
Miloš Chrenko
actually the brake vectoring system helps you significantly in sharp turns
ryan kulla cmon dude you talked about saving money for a next car so why you will put 20k$ more on the R ??? just wait mk8 R then..
masavoie86 I was just saying that if you get a fully-loaded autobahn, and spent an extra ~10k more, that would bring you so much closer to being able to just wait and get an R (at the time last year, not sure the prices right now)
I'd take the performance pack power up to 228 bhp & the diff making it better handling. Mind as Tiff said you can't turn off the traction control but you can on the MK5 Gti which you can get for £5,000
unfortunately we don't have the performance pack nor the manual gearbox available here in Brazil...
In order to really appreciate what the PP on the GTI can do...you need to drop at least a JB-1 in it...the extra HP and torque are harnessed by the LSD differential better than the base GTI
So the answer is that the big brakes, the electroidraulic lock differential, the 10 more hp and last the 50kg less of manual 6 gearbox of the premium PP, are extremely more important than the DSG of the standard GTI! Is It true?
Yeah, pity both cars did not have the same gearbox. Good to know the diff feels much better though.
Are the wheels on the red one part of the PP or its another option ? They look much better IMO
I know this is like 6-7 years late, but those are optional and have always been, they’re called Santiago’s
I cannot wait to order my GTI S w/ Performance Package this fall :)
How are you liking it? Tuned it yet? I have one, tuned it w/ the Cobb accesport and unitronic dsg stg 2. Tons of torque!! Getting my Cobb catback tomorrow!!!
I actually have this red gti pp, it’s doing good on 152 miles rn
Is the performance pack worth it, definitely! Say you buy the GTI without and later on want an LSD later on. It will cost $1000 just for the LSD, plus the bolt kit, fluid and installation. Then you also get upgraded brakes with this package.
Anyone that is into the VW scene knows that the traction control can be completely turned off with Vagcom, should you want that. Pain to turn on and off, but still an option
its also 18 vs 19 inch.. weights a little bit more
Why are you comparing the golf with a £1000 option to two cars with a £15000+ price difference between models? the performance pack is just an add on while the RS and the Turbo S are completely different models to the standard versions.
Would of been better comparing the new Golf R to the GTI as its the more hardcore version of the hardcore version for the golf.
I think you may have missed the point of the video..
I guess i will just wait for mk10
I was so convinced I needed to buy the MK7 GTI with the PP, until I watched this video. You brought up some good points. With that said, i'm still getting the MK7 GTI with or without PP, but now I won't feel so bad if the NA MK7 GTI doesn't come with PP. Thanks for posting the vid!
You'll be able to buy the GTI with PP in the USA, but you'll just have to wait a couple months before they are available.
Save the £995, then save for a few more months and buy the Golf R with 296bhp, then do 0-62mph (DSG) in 4.9 seconds.
That means the DSG version of PP would do better than 1.6 seconds faster.
Ordered one but it takes waaaay too long to come (US.... sigh)
Probably just grab the non PP one for cheap soon
THAT is the only reason to spend the extra money? because you can feel the diff going around corners? ... not sure... I got the regular GTI and I wish they did sell the performance model here.. but I still think that the comparison wasn't detailed enough .. but meh .. i just take what i can get.. :P
Love me some Volkswagen
Doesn't it kinda water down the comparison when you have manual gearbox against DSG and you want to compare NOT The gearboxes but the performance with and without the performance pack? Automatic gearbox will change a lot. The feel, overall performance (like in this case the car probably shifts better with an automatic gearbox), weight of the car etc. It's a valid thing when you f. ex. compare the fuel comsumption between manual and automatic. But when the comparison point is the "performance package" it's weird that the cars aren't similar in any other way. I'm not a car expert or anything but just want to point that out.
you can full turn off the stability system with vag-com ;)
Try again,
Manual shifters are only quick if the person driving can do clean shifts. How many gear boxes do you think manufacturers wreck to get the published 0-60 times.
I can tell you its quite often double digit numbers of wrecked cars.
bullshit.
well, i can't really tell for the golf, but for every car i've ever drove the manufacturer's published 0-60 times are very loose and can be improved upon by up to 10% if you do a perfect launch on grippy asphalt.
I was really excited about this video until I found out they don't use the same transmission. Lame! What's the point in comparing them now? The point was to see if the performance pack was worth it or not in basically the same car. Can't really do that now. A sad waste of time.
what transmission is not the same
jay czyzyk The Standard GTI he tested has the DSG transmission and the GTI with the performance pack he tested has a 6 speed manual transmission.
the dsg is actually faster so thecomparison isnot m,uch off
jay czyzyk No, the dsg is actually slower all around than the manual transmission. The 0-6 with the manual is 5.7 and the dsg is 5.8 with both cars being the same with the exception of the transmission. Dsg is slightly slower on the track and gets 1 mpg less on the highway. Overall not a huge difference, but manual is definitely better.
Strath09 facepalm, you're making up facts. Its well known that the DSG is quicker 0-60.
I love my GTI.
Do you really want a lot of “rear liveliness” on the street?
He doesnt have rear liveness because of esp..... but you can fully disable with vag software, than he would see how amazing is this little vw chassi 👌
Actually for the extra money that we have to pay for the GTI PP, I'd rather wait for the new Golf R when there is a sale on.
JRNexGen £995 is not the difference between a GTI and an R...
Should have waited for the Golf R to do this video.
It might be worth it for the diff, but not the power. 10bhp and no more torque is not going to make a clear difference on the road. they should have called it the traction pack rather than power pack. A remap will get you way more than 10bhp and cost a lot less than a grand.
PP has also 10 bhp more to compensate extra weight.
Ya, I like manual version.
The way I look at it, it's all well and true been able to turn all the assists off for fun, but all your gonna do is just end up sliding through corners chewing up tyres which is pointless, I'd rather have the traction to keep going that way I can laugh when the other person loses control of there car trying to be Jack the lad thinking there great while I fly pass them at speed because I can tackle the corner easy with the power in reserve. That's just my personal opinion not everyone will be like that but if your gonna have more or less a 30K car your not gonna wanna right it off or be constantly replacing all 4 tyres at £1000 a time. You want it to be civil on day to day basis it be sporty to kiss the ass of the person in a crappy super up beat up machine when needed.
ARE THE 2 DOOR GTI's ONLY SOLD OUTSIDE OF THE U.S.A? BECAUSE I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY ON THE ROAD OR DEALERS. IT'S ALWAYS THE 4 DOOR GTI's.
The 2014's still being sold in the USA are leftovers from what VW wanted to send here while production in Puebla ramps up. They're basically trying to get rid of what they have left. When VW releases the MK7 Golf & GTI's in the USA, we will have both 2 & 4 door vehicles to choose from. No need to worry.
the mk 6 only was a 5 door because they where getting ready to build the mk7 and they limited how many mk6s they made. the new mk7 like previous models will have a 3 door option
Volks-wagon?
2 seconds is a lot of gap on a track.
I feel like if you REALLY want performance hatchback...get the Golf R, if you want a fun, quick hot hatch, get GTI Autobahn.
What is the différence between gti autobhan and package
This guy sounds like Emperor Martin Septim from Oblivion
Regarding packages, I find it an unnecessary expense when VW refuses to let owners configure the car the way they want to. MINI is light years ahead in that area. I wanted to delete the leather seats and get the checkered ones but they told me there was no way to do that and keep the sunroof. Gee VW, is it THAT hard to please your customers? And all I asked for was one little thing. And why did they put the CD player in the damn glove box? I have no GPS option so there should be room to put the CD slot. I can't change discs when stuck at a traffic light without having to put the parking brake on. It's aggravating if you like to listen to music.
You must be the only person left on the planet that still uses cd's. Surprised that the car even has one. Next, you'll be asking for an 8 track player!!!
+Charles Mallory lol
+Charles Mallory A lot of people used CD's bro.
Also, OP, many manufacturers go by trim level instead of individual options. It makes the buying process more streamlined and simpler, providing benefits to both the dealer and the customer.
Others like Porsche and Mini put great emphasis on personalization and individual options.
One isn't better or worse than the other, different people like different things.
+Furkan Turfanda *use* not *used* lmao, maybe that typo was fate proving you right hahaha
It is very stupid to compare the two against each other. People buy it for performance, quality, reliability and not to mention it is a legend. For people who does not spend their time on race track it is doesn't really matter for every day driving what you have a base or upgraded. Enjoy your car but never use it as a weapon on the road!
This is really not a comparison whatsoever.
Can't disable Traction Control? WFT. I really don't like the direction all these manufactures are going with all auto trans offered etc... shame
Might as well buy the golf r if your going to spend the extra money
Get a Peugeot 208 Gti. Lighter, much nimbler and way more fun.
given VW reliability history, and the nature of the LSD, what are the odds something goes wrong with it? and if it blows up, what happens? is it like it's just not there anymore, or does it leave the car un-drivable? what's going to die first, the LSD or the turbo unit? or maybe anyone who worries about this stuff should just buy a Honda?
Comparing riding on a track vs real world driving on the common streets doesn't make sense
It is not sold everywhere, but I rather spend my money on the new wrx. It does take more gas, but the grip is better, it's faster, and it is cheaper then the performance pack. The interior is loads better on the GTI, it is a great car, but not being able to turn all the nannies off seals it for me
I'm pretty sure the WRX will be around the same price as a GTI w/PP if you go off of current prices of both base model cars and factor in maybe $1000-1200 for the PP for the GTI.
Anyways, the GTI's interior is far better than the new WRX's.
CanOfMinus
The GTI and WRX will be similarly priced. The base price being about the same. Here is the kicker, the top of the line GTI PP will still be slower then the base WRX. That was my point. So performance oriented buyers, like myself will see the WRX as the better buy.
Anyways, I said the interior was better. Come on now.
fikes73 Gah... My brain saw "on" as "than"... my bad!
Sall good. Both great cars. Even the GTI without the performance pack is a great car, but having one knowing I dont have the best example of one would haunt me :-P
I agree to a certain extent... A standard WRX in terms of price and if you're looking for pure performance... its probably the way to go... but if you factor in comfort, luxury, overall package? The gti is a better daily... hence why there are plenty more of them...
But when you look at the top of the range WRX sti now that's where I would never get one. (Based on Australian prices) The top of the range WRX STI Type R is 72-73k driveaway... for the same price you can get the M135i, Golf R and for 82k you can get an AMG... That's where the WRX aren't doing enough.
Diff should have been standard... There are GTI owners and There are GTI drivers. Go figure...
Track pack sounds better
comparing 2 such closely matched cars, the same gear box should have been used. apples:apples
I would pay for the upgrade, just for the few times I would push the car. Why compare a DSG to a manual car? If it were the other way round, I think you might have liked the non-pack car better. 3 pedals is always better than 2.
manual gearbox is lighter and better..
Rather silly to compare DSG vs Manual...
Speak up, can't hear you properly over the naff audio
I like the GTI but the Focus RS will shit all over it when it becomes available for sale. Yeah the Golf R is nice too but it's still going to lose to the RS. VW needs to be commended for making such a plush and posh interior though. It looks like a $100,000 interior.
Well no shit the RS is going to shit on it. It's got 320+ bhp compared to the GTI's 210. -.-
+supercooled Ford always has better numbers, and yet always loses. American engineering.
I recant my words. After the price announcement and rather luke warm reviews, I'm thinking the Golf R is the better bargain.
You can get the R for $38,000 here in Canada. That's not too bad I suppose.
I guess u haven't seen the videos lol golf are is 50hp under and still faster , with garbage ass tires lol now put Michelin pilot super sport on the golf r and lest do apr stage 1 , and is not even close .
I don't know if you've driven both, but the VW feels like a much more "solid" car and is therefore more confidence inspiring.
Unfair comparison ….either pick 2xDSG or 2xmanual gearboxes. What were Autoexpress thinking 😂😂😂
why would you test a dsg vs a manual........................................ dsg is faster every damn time. dsg vs dsg or manual vs manual. really guys?
I guess I will be the hated one here, track driving is far and few between and is limited to about 5% of owners or less!! Most people want to know how it accelerates and travels over a long distance with some fuel consumption numbers!! That's fucking it... Sick of car reviewers losing their touch on realistic driving conditions!!
actually todays enthuiastsare in greater demand of performancethan ever before
In North America nobody drives new cars on a track and our speed limits are very low!
jay czyzyk In North America nobody drives new cars on a track and our speed limits are very low!
there are tracks in every location and a cars limit can be tested in closed environment
I agree. I want the performance, drive ability, ride, quietness and decent mpg's. Not at all interested in track performance.
It's not stupid actually. It shows that a manual PP is faster than non PP with dsg.
I imagine a PP dsg will be even faster.
So that differential makes the difference.
Anyway, real world driving you won't be able to tell the difference between them.
I have the dsg PP. I have bought the PP mainly for the bragging rights and the red GTI badges. Brakes look better too and I believe they are the only improvement that you can act6 feel although the non PP is no slouch either
Extra Performance? Get ur self a R
me first
dun like this guy
My very very rough estimation based on other dsg vs manual tests is that a manual gearbox is approximately 0,5 seconds quicker than DSG.
how can manual be faster than DSG ?
other way around
Sid Acidic
It can be faster because you can select the exact right gear for every corner before entering it and launch out immediately without having to let the automation ruin the show. He just explains in the video also. In track driving you don't have to change gears so frequently, it's mostly hitting 2nd and 3rd gear on a little track like that, so DSG's quickness doesn't necessarily help.
rextetron you do realize that YOU CAN indeed select the exact right gear for every corner before entering it and launch out immediately without having to let the automation ruin the show with DSG, do you? it's called Manual mode, use the pedals on the steering wheel or shifter knob....
you're just making a noob out of yourself by saying Manual box is quicker than DSG! you may say more engaging and more fun to drive but not a way on earth it's faster!
Regards
owner of both Manual and DSG GTI :)
gtiw7 Can you rev to the limiter with Golf's DSG? Is it a FULL manual mode like in "proper" sportscars with paddle shifters? I haven't driven a DSG on a track so I've never tried hitting the rev limiter. If the manual mode is proper, then you might be right. Anyways - here are Killarney track tests driven by same man, manual (goo.gl/2Lp46T) and DSG (goo.gl/M1wKFZ). Manual was quicker, not much though. The time difference can of course be caused by driving errors too.
is it worth extra money? yes, if you drive it on track - it means NO! :D
So if not just for the diff, what about the 10 hp more and - and that's the main plus - the bigger brake? All that together is a no brainer for that amount of money.
Just wait for the Golf R. There will be no competition to the GTI.
the subar sti orwrx will always compete in speed and handling