The CURSE of Knowing : What REALLY Happened to ERNEST WHITEHEAD? / Burnley (1907)
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- čas přidán 13. 09. 2024
- A fortune teller, penny dreadfuls, and a single scrap of blue paper-what could be their connection?
In this strange, but true tale, we delve into the macabre and mystifying death of 21-year-old Ernest Whitehead of Burnley. In 1907, his life was abruptly and inexplicably snuffed out, leaving behind a chilling enigma that still remains unsolved to this day.
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Very strange indeed. My gut tells me this IS murder, but proving it now would be nigh on impossible. Thanks for the telling.
Thanks Angela for commenting, again yes in my opinion I think murder/foul play! 😊
Very bizarre indeed. We love that people are interested and go away researching. Thanks for watching and the interaction. Have a great week
I wonder if it's about time to put a safety fence on bridge?
Your vlogs are never boring.
Thanks for saying that 😊
😅 they are definitely not lol.. don't like it bye bye
Another gudun Chris&Vickie......never ceases to amaze me how you come upon these fascinating stories MOST of them id never heard of! 😊Thanks for all the effort and work,far better than the drivel on TV anyday👍
Thank you 😁 Glad you enjoyed it
Glad you enjoyed it! This one we had never heard of before the lady in question contacted us with some information from her families side. We have quite a few more like this to film.
Thank you Chris and Vicki. I am binge watching your show. They are wonderful keep them coming.
Thank you for the lovely comments and glad your enjoyed the videos.
Omg, your channel is fantastic, I have done nothing but watch you and vicky the last 3 days, i love the fact you go to the locations and explain in detail everything that happened, I first noticed you with Beardo at the most haunted house in Britain, I can't wait ti watch all of your video's.just finished watching sarah Williams the servant girl who took her own life. So sad, keep up the great work, sending my love to you both ❤😮
So many thanks Rachel for the kind words. We love researching the old, but forgotten tales that are local to us. We know we need to branch further out and visit places where are you kind folk live, but its about finance and planning now. We have loads planned for visits further afield, but we also wish we could visit these places on a more regular basis.
Thank you Rachel for your kind comments and enjoying the content. It was great working with Beardo at East Drive, but this type of video is what we call our specialist subject with a paranormal investigation thrown in now and again. Thanks again 😊
I live about a minute walk from this bit of the canal. Never heard this one.
Crikey, that’s Balkers/Bowkers bridge in the opening credits. This is going to be interesting. Used to be Maden Farm bridge in the 1700s.
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Have a great week 😀thanks again
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There was so much foul play in that area at that time that makes me wonder what happened to that young man…
It has divided opinions as to what happened to Ernest, just a Shame we will never know. Thanks Kelly for commenting 😊
Thank you Chris and Vickie for tonight's video about Ernest. It was professionally done with respect. Thank you for your hard work.
Thanks for watching
Can’t believe you were so close. If I’d known I’d have sorted you a couple of brews and maybe pointed out a few of the other local items you might have interest in.
I've just found your channel and you've got some fascinating stories. Of course I had to subscribe!
Hmmmm...I'm wondering about the rails on the wooden bridge, if they were shorter than the metal one? Did it mention if he was right in the middle of the bridge, or off to one side? I wonder if there was a bit of a jut at the bottom, where his feet could have a bit of leverage, even a couple of inches; that he could have come over the rail and slithered a bit while holding on to the rails? It does sound mysterious, but I think of 2 things - without an actual picture, it's hard to know where he could have slipped over (we are much more safety conscious today and I wonder if the rails were shorter) and 2. if something in the Penny Dreadfuls you mentioned had a similar scene.
Certainly, if he were to have wrapped the scarf at the bottom horizontal rail rather than the top one, it's a better guarantee of a successful suicide. Perhaps he thought if it was the top rail, it might not be as quick or easy of a death, considering one can bang against the rails while going down. I'm not necessarily satisfied with that answer, but just a thought.
A few of my friends are therapists and even today, it's often hard for families to accept that a loved one died by suicide. At that time, the stigma attached would have been much stronger - not only the religious element, the shame of having someone in the family doing this but also the guilt of not seeing anything wrong... to think that Ernest and a married woman were carrying on, and even with that stigma, that the latter story is preferable in their minds to suicide.
I suspect Isababelle might play more of a role in this. Perhaps they fought, perhaps she broke up with him and the fear that she would be blamed and guilt caused her to smooth it over. Of course if this was the case, it wasn't her fault at all. Or it's possible he misinterpreted something, he may have drank more than she realized, or let on. Some people don't do well with alcohol (I am that person - I get very depressed shortly after drinking, even moderate amounts. I seem to skip the tipsy/fun bit though I was never that bad as to be suicidal after drinking).
As you had mentioned, some people don't show what's going on at all deep inside. I have known a couple of people who died by suicide. One was a teenager - we were in a play together (I was an adult). I didn't know him well but had interactions with him, he was always very jolly and joking around. Then one day we found out, just before a rehearsal, that he died by suicide. I was completely shocked, as were others who knew him even better than I. Turns out he and a friend had a suicide pact. IIRC, his friend survived but he did not. It was utterly tragic. It was long before the internet, and how they came up with this idea, or what caused them to even attempt this, I never found out. I assume that much of it came out in therapy with the boy who did survive, but I and others who weren't family or close were not privy to that info.
All in all, a bit of a puzzler. I do lean towards suicide. I don't believe the affair theory, I think it was just a dramatic story to compensate for a suicide.
Aww thanks for watching and welcome on board. I love everything you have written here and yep it does make you think about this story in depth as to what really happened and the mind set of Ernest. I was swaying to murder but reading your comments raised had me wondering now. Unfortunately we do not know about the rail as could not find anything more documented about them and no old images. Thank you for interacting. Have a good week 😊
Just found your channel and subscribed. You do a great presentation and have a nice
Speaking voice Chris. Well done to you both , I have a back log to watch!
Regards from NZ.
Many thanks, Maxine, for the kind words. Some say I have a strong, northern accent, which doesn't bother me as it's who I am 😆 We have quite a few videos we hope you like. We do try our best.
Welcome Maxine and thanks for you kind comments 😊
Another excellent effort folks 👍
Thanks Carol and thank you for the interaction during the premiere with us and all of lovely community we have here x Have a great week x
Thank you kindly, Carol. We enjoyed visiting this location. Just a pity there are no headstones (again).
I know that is very strange the lack of headstones- love being part of the gang x
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First of all your videos are fantastic, well researched and sympathetically presented.
sometimes people who are suicidal can present a happy facade.
However, I do also wonder if Isabella lied at the inquest, perhaps the couple argued or the engagement was ended, and he ended his life near her home as a act of heartbroken revenge, perhaps she felt guilty, and didn't want to be blamed for causing his death.
Hi Jenny, thank you for your lovely words, they really mean alot. Yes again plausible that Isabella was not telling the truth and that Ernest also just presented a 'happy' exterior.
Thanks for watching and commenting 😊
Thank you so much Chris & Vicky for your new video tonight and might I add - so very professionally done with great research. Loved it.
Thank you Robert.
Many thanks, Robert, for the support and kind words. It means a lot when people get involved with the stories as much as we do.
Because i live in Accrington, i know a lot of the areas you are looking at and this for me makes your videos all the more interesting for me and my family. They are a joy to view. @@DaysofHorror
You would do a solved mystery like a pro. (Can't wait if you do)., original pics and def less frustrating ❤
Are you hacking our laptop by any chance 😆 We do have a solved, well, not a mystery, but a murder, coming soon. Which does include photos and more.
Great video
Thanks! It's a strange one for sure
Thank you so much.
Thanks for watching patsy 😊
Good video you two. Tragic, and certainly throws out many questions about what was happening around that bridge? Bad luck again with the Cemetery search...looks like there are many unmarked graves today. All the best
Thanks Mat for watching, and yes did have us discussing this case alot off camera too. We do come accross alot of graves with no headstones, but at least we always manage to find the plots. Thanks for your support 😊
Wow a proper bamboozler 🤯 ..but can’t help but have strong suspicions of foul play, especially with all the other deaths including the one in the comments 😮all very sad .new subber thanks for your hard work Chris and vicky keep em coming 👍
Thanks James and welcome on board. Yes originally I was looking at it as that, but another subscriber had given me something to think about and that possible suicide. Unfortunately we will never know, but we love these stories to which we all get involved and interact. Have a good week 😊
Been over and under that bridge many many times and didn't know about this . A bit of a fishy tale , if you'll pardon the pun , being next to a canal . Didn't even know that the bridge was called this . I think there's quite a strong chance of foul play here . By the way love these videos .
Many thanks, Darren. Yeah, it's a puzzle, alright. It's the police constables testimony I can't get my head around and how he felt there was more going on than just taking his own life. For someone who was trained to look for clues and see things us normal folk may not see, I think his words at the inquest warranted further investigation.
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Heartbreaking story but yes very strange as well. Your detail was very good and it could have been any amount of things that happened to him. Isabella could have lied and broke up with him, he maybe tied his scarf to the bottom stepped over then tied the end to his neck. But thanks for this story its a pity his life was so short but i think it was murder.
Yes I am with you Sarah, I think it was murder. Thank you for watching and commenting 😊
Intriguing video - Thanks.. Ernest partly reminded me of this song by Sandy Denny
Bruton Town
In Bruton town there lived a noble man,
He had two sons and a daughter fair,
By night and day they were contriving,
For to fill their sister’s heart with care.
One night one night our restless young girl,
One brother rose up from his bed,
He heard the servant court their sister,
Oh he heard they had a mind to wed.
Oh when he rose the very next morning,
Went searching for the servant-man,
And when he found him this young man he murdered,
Oh left him lying in the briars around.
Oh she went to bed a-crying and lamenting,
And thinking of her own true love,
And as she slept she dream't that she saw him,
A-lying in the countryside all covered with gore and blood
....cont'd
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I see what you mean reading these lyrics. Thanks for watching 😊
What a strange story indeed. It just doesn't look like a suicide does it. So many deaths in sane stretch of canal.
Another very interesting video thanks. I like to do a bit of research myself after watching these videos and I thought I was onto something when I noticed that there was a girl with the same surname as Ernest (Margaret E Whitehead) who died on the same day as Ernest (10th March 1907), was the same age as Ernest (21 years old) and lived in the same area that Ernest died (White Street, Burnley) which happens to be a stone's throw from Maden Fold Bridge, but there doesn't seem to be any connection between the two deaths. It does seem quite a bizarre coincidence though!
If people are interested and go and look into these stories for themselves, then we have done our job 😅 Seriously though, it's brilliant that you look into them and find potential leads. It just adds to the mystery I think, in a good way.
Very bizarre coincidence and very interesting.
Hi Chris and Vickie, great video. I don’t think Ernest ended his life. I feel someone or possibly 2 people strangled him with his scarf and tossed him over. Chris can you use your dowsing rods either at the burial site or near the bridge? You might find some more info..
Good idea 💡. I belive foul play. Thanks for watching Sarah 😊
Euphoria before suicide is not uncommon - it comes from the relief that you are ready to bring an end to the pain you are in. 😢
Theory: His affair with the married woman was true. He had decided to end it in favor of marrying Isabella. The married woman, however, was not happy with this. She was demanding that things continue or else Isabella would be told - maybe there were letters or photos - evidence that could not be ignored. Trapped between the future he wanted and the past he didn't, he came to the conclusion that ending his life would be the only solution. He chose that bridge because he wanted the last thing he saw to be Isabella's house. Depending on the bridge style, he might have climbed over the railing and stood on a beam while tying his scarf to the lower railing. Remember, if it was a weird way to hang one's self, it would've been equally weird for murdering or disposing of a corpse too.
The fortune could be interpreted to fit this scenario - then again, all fortunes / horoscopes are generally vague enough to fit any and every situation.
I enjoyed this read... and yep could be the case, but one we will never know now 😢
Bizarre that one guys many thanks for reporting.
Thanks for your continued support 😊
I wonder whether the lack of headstone is because the family couldn’t afford a headstone, I know that is the case of an old grave of a family member of mine.
We find this a lot in the older stories, no headstones present. It's a difficult one, especially in this story as 5 people are interred in the same plot, so with it being a family grave, we kind-of presumed a headstone would probably be there.
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Another good video well done to you both xx unfortunately I guess we’ll never know if it was suicide or murder , can I ask whether you ever allow people to accompany you on your investigations? I would love to tag along best wishes from Oxfordshire
We get asked if people can join us and we'd never say no. It all depends on what we are filming and when, as some locations, as you may have seen, are quite a pain in the rear to get too and we aren't sure if some people will want to go hiking or walking through swamps.
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Quite sad 😢. Always is when someone commits suicide. Always a lot of questions after such a death. Quite baffling because there's a lot of theories about this case. But it has been proven that 95% of suicides are committed because if depression. Everyone thinks he was quite alright, but depression is a sickness that you can't see with the eye. But it's a tragic thing. Some people go for help, although there are a lot of people who don't go for help.
Thanks again Chris and Vicky for another interesting story.
Thanks Shirley for supporting as always and yes always alot of questions with stories like this.
6:25 it’s the old Beta Chemicals works repurposed into units for small businesses. Those houses on that side of the canal have been gone for a long time. At least 60 years
I think they should have kept the houses, they'd have looked nicer than the units, but they say change is progress 😊
My first response was that somebody had robbed him and then beat him up me to look like a suicide and my second response was there was a lovers triangle thing going on that Isabella was being fond over by another man and somebody to take him out. But from what the other stories of people drowning and ending up there and the knots is apparent that their service a serial killer in the area at the time. Either somebody that was a highwayman or local.
Love that everyone gets involved and gets us all discussing what really could have happened to Ernest. Thanks for your interaction and love your thought process 😊
The vast majority of suicides leave a note explaining the reason for such an act!
Yeah I said same, but nothing documented so I do believe murdered.
25:00 Burnley fair always when the schools finish. Well. It used to be. Fulledge, near turf moor, is where it traditionally was/is.
Very strange Chris- do you think there may have been a bigger gap at the bottom of the rail on the old bridge? As usual, a good video
It's hard to know for sure. It's just what the policeman said during the inquiry that, for me tells the story. He was certain, I think, that Ernest didn't take his own life because of the position he found him in and how the muffler was fastened.
Really enjoying your vloggs. I'm thinking, with Ernest having so many siblings, could it have been a case of mistaken identity?. Maybe one of his brothers was having the affair?.
I definitely think Ernest was murdered. Tragic story.
Yeah, I see where your going with that Diane. Like the way these stories get us all engaging and discussing our own thoughts. Thanks for watching 😊😊
Now that's something we never gave a thought to. I'll look into his other brothers and see if there is something in that.
Rest in peace
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Hmm. Sad story 😢. I think he had been held upside down as someone tied the muffler to the bridge railing. He was then let go. Cruel.
It was very odd, the way he was found, if we are reading the police evidence at the inquest correctly.
Plausible 😊
Did Ernest get on all right with Isabella’s parents and/or siblings?
Nothing documented to this effect, bit did stay in the house with Isabella drinking port where parents and siblings lived
Interesting story and channel but those hand gestures are very distracting,
Maybe put your hand in your pocket? 🙂
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Suicide , I meant to say.