[35 kW / A2] Honda CBR 650R vs [Full] CBR 650R Acceleration
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- čas přidán 19. 10. 2021
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No change in ECU, tire or gear ratio
Everything stock except full arrow exhaust. Restricted to 35 kw / 47 hp (A2 licence compliant) vs Full 70 kw / 95 hp
Acceleration tests : 0 to 100 kph (km/h), 0 to 60 mph and 0 to 150 kph
Tried changing gear sooner but it only results in slower acceleration
Camera : DJI Osmo Action
Test on a private and fenced road
Location : Bulgaria - Auta a dopravní prostředky
You should get the ECU flashed and and performance filter as well. I have the same bike unrestricted with Akra full racing exhaust, ECU tune, performance air filter, etc. it’s scary fast and accelerates like hell. Amazing bike for sure.
What other options does he have tho if he wants to stay on something that isn't really sporty like a cbr600rr or r6, or the fireblade. This he can actually use for other stuff like touring if he wants. The Honda cbr650r is a perfect bike, and I don't see why you shouldn't put a lot of upgrades in if they're only gonna make your bike better.
@@ElCoco1984 only if your only goal is to go fast. If you want a comfy bike too, those 600s are right out.
@@ElCoco1984 this bike have 98hp stock. And with stage 1 modification (ecu, filter and exhaust) i im a 115 hp and the feeling is amazin. This 4 cylinder 650cc motor is really impressive ! And the finish of the bike (naked version) look realy premuim. Best bike for the buk !
@@WHiT3ST4R I have a 2019 cbr650r custom tune from one of the best, akro, DNA air filter and there is no way it's 115whp. You are dreaming. I have a 650r as it hides under the LAMs banner in Australia.
@@ElCoco1984 If u buy a leader bike u dont wanna change the exhaust? bro.. xd
I've been waiting for a video like this for a veeeeery long time, thanks for sharing!!😉😉
Nickel la vidéo, la différence est vraiment flagrante ! Une fois débridée, le 4C se révèle complètement
Ben voilà enfin en full tu as vu la différence 👌
voilà pourquoi j’attends de débrider ma 2021
👏🏿🤩
😳 Wow!! That’s awesome!!
Funny thing with the restricted version is that it produces more power around 6000-8000 rpm than at the rev limit, unlike the unrestricted version. To generate the most power, I found that shifting at max 10000 rpm is most optimal on A2/LAMS.
Thank you, I will do that from now on. I have the naked variant, the CB650r, but it should also apply to my bike(?). I still have one year left with 48hp/35kw and can't wait to finally de-restrict it ;(
@@Pfannkuchenkanone yes. It is exactly the same engine
It's because of the restricted air intakes. The higher up you get into the rpm the more you're choking the bike. Ironically, it makes it more dangerous for manoeuvres such as overtaking.
@@BW_Drums If you need that much power for overtaking, you're doing something wrong and you should rethink the way you're riding your A2.
@@mircea5013 Righto. You don't get it, that's fine.
very nice video very informative! Merci!
Thanks for the video!
Great video
Excellento, which exhaust u are using?
hi, can u tell me exactly what type of arrow exhaust do you have please?
Now imagine sitting on something with over 200 horsepower 😬🫥
And here am I, sitting on a 125 with 15hp :D
Great vid. Did you derestrict the bike yourself and do you know anything about the process? I'm planning to by the 35kw one and derestrict it later on
You need to take the fuel tank off, open the air box and change out the restricted trumpets for the non restricted, plus you have to go to a Honda dealership to get the ECU flashed otherwise the bike won’t know what to do with the extra air which it is getting
@@Krokomoto99 hmm, I mean if you end up with the full 95hp the non restricted version has, I guess it’s no big deal to do it. I only have an A2 license for now so I’m trynna be legal 😂
@@Blasphemario I wanted to drive the full 95hp but I guess i will wait too until I have upgraded to the full A class license, if they catch you in Germany on a non restricted bike then you can say bye bye to your license for a very long time 😂
@@Krokomoto99 It’s gonna be a whole different experience to have the full hp bike, so I think of it as a nice transition to have it derestricted, kinda like buying a new bike
Fuck the 650 sounds nice.
Nice bro
Do you have a phone mount? If so can you make a small video on it? Having trouble finding one for me 21’ cbr650r that wont block the screen
I heard that quadlock is pretty good for that
You can turn it in a direction so it doesnt Block the screen
Are these bikes the same bike with with restriction installed in the first video and then removed in the second one?
Yes, same bike. Before/after restriction kit is removed
Is the 70 kw version on stock or remapped !?
Stock but with a full system Arrow exhaust. No remap
What restriction do you got? From honda?
What’s the top speed of a a2 restricted cbr650r
Do you feel more "punch" with the bike with full power? Idk if i will feel like more torque with my sv without restrictions
The fact that you have to ask if a motorbike with twice the power has more "punch"... 🤦
@@Killmouras You know that It has electronic limitation and It doesnt affect the same to hp/nm due to the power curve?
No its been tuned to suit the restricted air intake
is the arrow pipe with cat and killer?
Top speed before and after?
I didnt know my cbr could do more than 130😃
how did u unrestrict it in 30 min?
What is your top speed on the 35 kw version? Iam picking up mine in 2 weeks
200 même avec un bon rodage
190km/h
204 km/h
Wait 2 years and buy a proper bike
@@antoniogarciaromero2895 lmao get out of here
Bonjour. Je vais passer en full (A). J'ai une Vstrom 650 (A2). Mais j'ai un vrai coup de coeur pour la CBR 650 R.
Je n'ai donc pour expérience que le bicylindre (et de la 125 avant en mono).
Près de chez moi il y'a beaucoup de petites routes de montagnes avec des lacets qui s'enchaînent. Pensez vous que la CBR 650 R soit un choix judicieux ?
Oui, pour un 4 cylindres elle a pas mal de couple dès 3000 tours. Par contre les vitesses tirent très long (110 km/h en 1ère et 140 en 2) donc on est souvent en 1 ou en 2 sur les petites routes. Moi ça ne me dérange pas mais tout le monde n'aime pas.
@@aviateurmotard merci pour la réponse. ✌️
How do you take the A2 restriction out?
take it to the dealership
Xe quá mạnh
0:07 is that a rev limiter on the A2 restricted CBR?
Why did i even bought a kawa z900 (a2 70kw max) when this 650 has exactly the same power and 0-100 time with the motor open at 72kw 🤣🤣
😍😍😍😍
so still fast
I thought a2 can’t reach so much rpm?
Wow
do you think it makes a significant difference for day to day riding ? (like 50 km/h in city and 70-90 on national road)
No
not at all. the restricted version is basically the same up until 6k rpm then it falls in power quickly. just stay below 6krpm on the A2 or Lams restrictions and it feels the same
For me, yes. As stated before, it feels almost the same below 6.000 rpm (as if riding with a passenger). But after that it falls off and that ruins the fun of a 4 cylinder
@@haids6409 bellow 6k rpm :( . Just when this bike starts to be fun. The a2 version strips all the fun of owning this bike
I unlocked my bike, man, starting from the second gear I can feel the difference, the red light start is much faster than A2 version. With third gear I can easily reach 150-160kmh if I don’t pay attention to my right hand, huge difference between A2 and A version. (Of cause, depending on how hard you rev it…. )
Does it have up and down quickshifter with auto blip ?
Limited to 46hp?????
So, question: why would you want to get a 500 Hornet or anything A2 compliant, when you can get a much nicer bike, restrict it, have an AWESOME sounding engine (inline 4), have it be legal and safe for you as a beginner, and de-restrict it once you moven on? I'm comparing prices, it's not that huge of a difference, and you don't even have to bother with selling a bike and loosing money.
I'm in this exact situation. Beginner rider. I think I would rather get a CB650R and just restrict it. Opinions?
Problem is a restricted bike will perform worse than one built for ex. the power it should have. It‘s also heavier.
@@lucadreier22 i mean, how bad can it be
Bro so youre telling me this a2 bike is as fast from 0-200 as a bmw m6 competition...
yes, but with actually more risks involved than riding an M6 competition. That's why I'm quite intrigued that a 20yo can ride that, but anyway.
What do u mean by "unrestricted"?
In Europe (and elsewhere), they have a graduated license structure with power limits on bikes.
To avoid buying a new bike after you graduate to the unrestricted license, many bikes that would normally be too powerful can have an A2 compliant restrictor kit installed.
This is accomplished via an ECU flash, throttle stop (to keep the bike from going full throttle), a restrictor plate on the throttle body, or other means.
Once you graduate to the unrestricted license, you can remove the restrictor kit and enjoy the full power of your bike, as demonstrated in this video :D
@@joetaylor010 thanks👍
The air intakes are restricted on the cbr650r, to like 20% air gets through, along with the equilivant fuel ratios.
@@Drunk0nCustard how can you tell that it is unrestricted? I just got one. Seems quick but I’m coming from 15bhp
@@chrisml91 Restricted ones will always seem somewhat quick with torque, but you can tell by how fast the revs climb, go all out from second(with care obviously) third fourth ect, as in the video watch the revs climb in the unrestricted vs restricted. Almost double.
Why did they restrict THAT much. My ninja 400 0-100 is faster. Makes 0 sense. I really wanted a 4 cylinder cause i love the sound but thats just not worth it
it's worth for other things. I was also gonna buy a ninja 400 because it accelerates slightly faster but that bike felt very small for me.. my legs fit much better on the cbr650r. also as you said the sound is so much nicer.
but most importantly: you don't have to buy a new bike in the future, you can just take off the restriction and it will feel like you upgraded to a bigger bike. whereas with the ninja400 you will probably outgrow it very quickly.
if you need more than that performance having your A2 license I would kindly advise you to stop riding at all. Before it's too late, kiddo. Before it's too late..
The other has full tank
Wait how do they even restrict a 94hp 650cc engine to 47hp? ECU tuned down?
edit: god those kinds of speedometer sucks, shouldnt be linear and not just adding up like 5km to 7km, I have one on my honda scoot, still pretty crap.
just waiting for the answer here
I would guess either through the ECU or a plug in the exhaust. (Likley ECU on almost all modern bikes)
@@Johan_K How does a CPU even do that? Limit redline or just lean the hell out of the engine.
@@LunringNassar ecu. Electronic control unit. It controls everything from the engine. so u can just tell the Map on it to use less fuel f/e to get less power and restrict it on revs
It isn't just the ECU, the air intake is physically blocked by about 80%, to de-restrict properly you would have to remove the physical restriction and remap/flash the ecu and change the fuel delivery. You can also remove the top speed limiter.
I hate this fkn 35kw limit policy
The CB650R is faster than my 1984 CB750 Nighthawk even if it restricted, an my CB750 has 100cc more...
Damn, i don't know if it's the power to weight ratio or the fact that my bike cannot rev higher than 9000rpm without losing power
Ccs dont really matter on a bike like theres 600s supersports that are faster than 900cc naked biked
@@R1___ the displacement actually matter, especially that my bike is from the 80s so they didn't have any emissions standards, i think it's all about the weight, a modern 650cc is lighter + injection+ their valves moves faster + they have a better compression but a shorter rod to make them rev higher
Just by comparing them by the song, you will notice that my bike sounds like a tractor while the 650 sounds like a F1
At the end, you're right, it's not about displacement haha
Nice demo of how pointless the A2 restriction is.
Yeah, if you Wanna kill yourself you can even do it with a 50cc.
Top speed for 95hp?
200-225
Defenetly more, I've pushed 220 + and was far from red line and I'm tall and 84kg. Seen people pass 235
Right; but not enough as 600RR...
the 650r is like a more tame, street version of the 600. different beast. the 600 is obviously faster its a supersport
@@haids6409 650R is a Süper Sport (not the street version ) as the 600RR. But it is not strong and fast as the another.
@@ceyhunoguzoglu5515 hayır knka 650r super sport değil 😅 super sport gibi gözüküyor ama değil. Araştırmanı öneririm. 650r dan nefret ederim bu arada
Bence de öyledir ancak; Honda Resmi Fiyat Listesinde; Süper Sport Kategorisinde sınıflandırılmış olması bunu gösterir.
Primo
Cbr 650r 4cyl 650cc bike 47hp
Vs
Zx25r 4cyl 250cc bike 51hp
Wtf
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@@Pung_Henke comparing hp
@@tarikhulmahfudz7829 It's restricted for A2 license (which means you cannot use a motorcycle more powerful than 35 kw (47 hp)), you can see the normal power of the bike in the second part of the video.
unrestricted cbr650r has ~80-91 hp depending on the airlifter and exhaust