Mixing With Mike Plugin of the Week: Waves PuigChild 670
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I am a Puigchild 670 fan as well, never found any other coming close to the Waves one and the punch and depth it delivers. Good demonstration and the effect on the sum (as usually with this one) even if not compressing hard, just glues things together. Bypassed it sounds like a collection of tracks, with it switched on, it sounds like a mix!
My mix still sounds like a collection of tracks.
i'm a beginner but when i bought this compressor i blatantly noticed its magical quality. straight fire
Very informative... thanx for the demonstration, as well as all the background history on the unit. Great job!
Cheers Kahlid!
I don’t know how true Waves (or other plug manufacturers) have stayed to the original 670 hardware, as many make slight tweaks (and sometimes even coding major adjustments) to the specs and functions of the original HW they are modeling...
But, FWIW, here are the settings and their response times for the 6 Constants on the actual 670:
Attack; .2ms in positions 1,2&6
and .4ms in positions 3, 4, &5
Release times (referenced at 10db of limiting) are:
Position 1: .3 seconds (300ms)
Position 2: .8 seconds (800ms)
Position 3: 2seconds (2000ms)
Position 4: 5 seconds (5000ms)
Position 5: program dependent, ranging from 2 seconds for individual peaks, to 10 seconds for multiple peaks
Position 6: Program dependent, ranging from .3 seconds for individual peaks, to 10 seconds for multiple peaks, to as long as 25 seconds for continual high program level/db.
Source: Fairchild 670 Stereo Limiter Instruction Manual,
Fairchild Recording Corp.
Long Island, NY
December, 1959
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Interesting that the the original unit was over 60 lbs. That gives me a unique appreciation for the plugin lol
I've only seen photos/videos of the real thing, but they're freaking huge.
I love that compressor on Guitars
Sounds great on almost anything!
Michael White
I also love it on vocals. One things I like about it is even though its "color" is subtle it helps round out the sound so if something is just a tiny bit to edgy this can help round it out just a little.
Yes sir that's it
This is the Ultimate Radio Ready Compressor Plug in for Master Bus
Great sounding plugin 👍
great video wish other would break stuff down like this
Great video. Thanks for this.
Every compressor tutorial/review should have option to download original source video/audio without Youtubish compression :)
Hey Mike, do you prefer the UAD or the Waves Fairchild if you had to choose one now that this plugin is a few years old .
UAD hands down. Have yet to see an emulation that's better in terms of the sound and feel. That said, some emulations like the PuigChild by Waves is a great tool and used in almost every mix I do.
How about this plugin versus the SSL B - Comp when and why to use them in the master buss, thanks for your videos they are great!!
Different sound. This is a much warmer compressor and is better at RMS style compression. The SSL is a better pump and breathe compression with a ballsier midrange.
This sounds about 90 times richer than an SSL comp .....
Its the Difference between flat and Clear and Warm and Rich
I tried it on master, its sucks a lot from the bass and low mid energy…if you ask me, not good for master bus at all…unless its some brighter music perhaps? I can hear that bass is also quieter in this video when switching. I assume ots great on separate tracks or busses such as strings etc…something where it can add that vintage sound/boddy to
the trick is you don't want to push into it hardly at all... you should only be getting one db of gain reduction... then get the input gain to 12 (14 is unity gain). Unfortunately because this one is cheap it doesn't have a way to roll the bass signal out of it, the UAD one does have that feature and they call it a "sidechain" for some reason.
Is this new?
Hey, Mike. Curious, I noticed you discouraged using it on an entire mix (and the explanation makes sense) but are you not doing that on this mix? I'm confused....
Dennis Alvey Hi Dennis,
Can you point to specific time where I say not to use it an an entire mix? I shot this video a long time ago but listened through again and couldn't find what you were talking about. I love this compressor on the mix buss if it fits the needs of the mix.
Cheers!
Mike
Well, I could be misunderstanding, but at arund 6:27 where you say if you use it on everything as opposed to one thing..... Was I taking it out of context? You do say you "could" use it on a mix bus but then...
Dennis Alvey Ah yes! I think a very common mistake mixers make is when they find something really amazing and think the mix will be better if they use it on everything. But the reverse usually happens because what makes it sound great is that it contrasts the other sounds. This is particularly true of emulations like the Fairchild.
Hope this answers your question.
Cheers!
Mike
+Michael White Such a great advice!!! Cheers Mike.
You need to listen to JJP explain where this plugin works best, and make a review video on that. He says it works best on vocals, and acoustic instruments.
+Tim Kasey Hi Tim,
Thanks. I have worked with the real thing many times and assisted JJP many years ago when i worked at Electric Lady in NYC. He certainly has more experience with his own unit and what it works best on. When I used it it was mostly an exclusive compressor that I used for vocals or the mix bus. I was trying to express the historical perspective of using it where only 1 would be available. Obviously a plugin allows for as many instantiations as your CPU can handle and the options are endless. I have a full course on compression where I feature this in more situations.
Cheers!
Mike
i dont know why but when i use this plugin my meter doesnt move??? even when i use hard ratios? can someone help me
more gain
Ive had this plugin for a long time and I love it. The Finalizer preset really glues tracks together. But I had a questions so does the LAT/VERT setting split your track?Basically can I use the top part as a normal compressor and the bottom to parallel compress through the same plugin all at once.
marcuelcajon Hey marcuelcajon,
Yes, this is an amazing one! There is no way to run a parallel chain within the plugin. The Lat/Vert turns it into a Mid/Side processor just like the original hardware. It was originally used for mastering before the cutting lathe for vinyl records controllng the Lateral and Vertical movement of the cutting head.
Hope this answers your question...
Cheers!
Mike
Michael White Yeah it did thanks.
Hi how was it? I’m entitled to get one for free but afraid that Waves update plan is very expensive for this in future, how’s your experience with Waves plugin? Thanks
@@cgonzt5636 I don’t update them and they still work great for me
U still have to pay to update the license
need a comparation between this and Pulsar varimu
Not familiar with Pulsar varimu
What’s the song?
Hi Singh This program works on your mobile. WhatsApp Wanted
Holy crap! Almost 5 minutes of talking before we even get to hear some audio playback and tweaking. Thanks for posting.
Cheers Nonah!
That’s the best bit! Education :)
I like your review but talking and playing music in the same time isn't good idea...
Yeah, this is a vid from a few years ago. More careful with that now...
oh man... you say you've worked with Fairchilds a lot, but then you go on to say that the "time constant" switch really "doesn't make a difference" wherever you put it... at 2:43. Huh? What? Actually, there are quite a bit of difference in the time constants of this limiter, and the DO matter. It's worth noting that the Puigchild's time constants 5 and 6 are REVERSED from an actual Fairchild unit, though. Don't know why they did that, but they did.
Hey Slamcrank,
I think you should watch the video again. What I said very clearly was that the Time Constant is effectively a Release control and the Attack Time is not really effected by the setting which is 100% true. The release time is dramatically effected as stated very clearly in the video starting at 5:00. You gotta bring better game than that on this channel, hahaha :-)
There are several factors that make emulating 50-60 year old components a problem and that is the fact that over time the components degrade and become far less efficient than the original specifications. Exact replacement parts are nearly impossible to find. I believe I read somewhere that Waves admits that the specs were not as precise as the original but decided to be true to JJPs unit instead of trying to manipulate the emulation. I have not heard anything about Time Constant 5-6 being reversed. Please let me know where you found that information...
Cheers!
Mike
Michael White To be fair, it's easy to see how he perceived it the way he did, given the way you worded it on your video.
Maybe i was a bit sensitive that day ;-)
To really be fair, these videos are recordings from live classes. There is not retakes or dubbing the voice over again. Sometimes the ideas don't come out as perfectly stated as i would like.
You do a fantastic job. Keep it up!
Cheers!
Waves !!! They are so bad in Sound .... invest in UAD .... you dont need that much plug-ins . But Its a complete life changer !!!
are you serious? This plugin is still a very good plugin and sounds good as the UAD. Wake up man
You are forgiven
Does anyone know of a channel that reviews plugins using music from today like pop, edm, etc. and not cheesy rock or semi rock music from the 1980's ?????????????????????
Well, to be fair, I shot this video in 1987...
@@mixingwithmike Thanks sarcastic Marty McFly for chiming in. But, that's not the answer I'm looking for.
@@ExclusiveLM I posted this video over 6 years ago. Much more current content in the newer reviews. Sorry if I offended you, I didn't think you seriously expected an answer to your seemingly rhetorical question.
oh dear. what a way to ruin a potentially great review about an amazing compressor. please just use a drum loop in future so we can actually hear you speak clearly
no need to become crazy to ear some color at level matched with the real thing, that´s a poor illusion, i don´t beleive in this kind of plug in
This one has a but of aliasing in the 8-9K area which can be annoying at times, and other times it's helpful. You can debate accuracy to the original hardware, if you have JJP's hardware Fairchild for comparison, but otherwise a very useable plugin.
this guy talk to much😕😕😕
It's almost like a saturator that's called a compressor
Yes sir that's it