IS OIL PATTERN RATIO IMPORTANT?? FT. PROTON PHYSIX AND IDOL SYNERGY
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An oil pattern's difficulty is mainly defined by its ratio. Jacob "Jimoo" and Sean "Simoo" Imoo break down the differences between house, challenge, and sport oil patterns. Throwing the new Roto Grip Idol Synergy and Storm Proton Physix.
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Timestamps!!!
0:00 - Intro
2:36 - Wall Street (House)
5:24 - Middle Road (Challenge)
8:26 - Chameleon (Sport)
11:21 - Summary
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This channel is very quickly becoming one of the greatest in bowling content
Wow thanks Igor!
This was a really good video. Two different styles, rev rates, across different patterns... totally succeeded on the intent. Nice 👊🏻
Thanks Ben!!
The hardest oil pattern I've bowled on was Red Square!!! Super Super Flat
I’ve only ever bowled on a house shot. 1st year taking bowling seriously. Seeing improvement every week and the videos help a lot.
Bowling my first PBA even next month, this just gave me so much insight into what I should be ready for! Thank you guys!
Played on Chameleon once myself. Was definitely an experience. It showed me how easy bowling a house pattern is in comparison lmao.
Another comprehensive video with excellent editing and even better bowling. You guys do such a great job articulating what is happening on the lanes. Well done!
I've also only ever bowled on a house pattern. But as a sophomore in high school looking to break 200, these videos help a lot. Thanks for the help guys
You’re in high school and bowl don’t bowl on a Allen pattern? Lucky you that kills HS kids around here lol. If you want to get better bug your parents to take you to some junior golds tournaments or any scholarships tournaments most of them are sport shots or little tougher than a normal hosed shot. The more you bowl on them the more you’ll learn. My son is 15 and a freshman, bowls in a summer sport shot league and does 15+ junior gold, mjma and other tournaments a year. Have to bowl to learn!
Jimoo throws a really nice shot, hope to see him bowl more in the future. Great video overall and nice to see the difficulty of the patterns as you move away from the house shot
Yo i remember when i met jacob in mount vernon for the first time and i just absolutley loved his company! I love Jr Pro shop Vids and hope you guys are doing good and staying safe during these rough times :)
Love your videos guys! Jimoo is adorable!! You guys are all fun and informative. Your videos are fantastic. Has the right amount of atmosphere and education. It’s clear and consistent. Love the music for ambience.
Would love to see more technical content like this. The analytical side of bowling is often missed in ball review channels despite terminology being used quite often. It took me forever to understand what a "stroker" meant, for example. I would be interested in a video similar to this but showing what happens when oil patterns break down after a few games are bowled on them.
Thanks guys, this is the best comparison of the different oil patterns Ive seen. Also the different style was great. Keep up the great work. I am now a subscriber
Thanks for the kind words Marcus!!
This video is the best overall the crew has done to-date. Content, production value and thoroughness was top notch. Oil ratio and pattern complexity is not an easy topic and most usually forget some obvious call outs on CZcams.
I’ve seen house shot killers go out and bowl tournament or sport for the first time and be lucky to shoot 165.
1) 39 Bear pattern- tight angles and have to keep your lines in-front of you
2)41 Chameleon- too many ways to play the pattern. For me, too many choices leads to slow starts.
Thanks for the kind words Matt!
Awesome video guys. Hardest shot I’ve experienced was at nationals for the first time. Did not have the correct ball in my hands and never had a look lol. Knowledge game expanded after that day lol.
As someone who loves bowling but has never been very athletic your channel helps teach me things about the sport I'd likely never learn otherwise. (This video also explained why guys whom average ~250+/game in league cannot do so in the pba)
I love this channel entertaining and informative. They don't use the big words to often.
Thanks fuzzgutter!
Very nice video, thanks ! A nitpick : 2 hander on easy pattern : The "miss right" shot was barely half a board right, and it also had the break point more inside than out. I think you should have tried another shot for that one, to illustrate it better. Thanks for the end comments on comparison of averages. It is an important message for all. In Europe we don't hear daily scores of 700+, 800+ series, 300s etc, as we hear in America and other countries. Most patterns here are on average harder than over there i think. Also because some lanes are old, the topography is really bad, so even a medium pattern, becomes weird.
I bowled on Syndey for my first sport shot. It was brutal. Great vid!
Short patterns can be awful! Whether its the topography not offering much hook outside of 5 or yahoos on the pair starting left with surface there are so many situations where 180 becomes a great score
Mainly house patterns, always struggle to understand the meaning of missing right or left of target, very effective video to use for future practices/tournaments 😁
As of this year it was Kegal white. Not to hard of a shot but i was way underballed.
Jungo thanks for the advice at the end. I am having that exact issue right now. I and bowling different houses and tournaments and struggling with my averages. So thank you for breaking it down
Those Pba and sport challenging shots are no joke and are something fun that I soon want to practice on
Reverse block is always interesting! Our old pad machine did that unless you knew how to make patterns for it. I usually put down stuff like PBA patterns, WTBA/WB patterns, and Kegel sport patterns like Boardwalk and Dead Man's Curve. House patterns are 44ft 23.5ml 4:1 and 42ft 23.8ml 5:1 (Tuesday tournament we host, we must have 150 games to play national championship in my country, so we're collecting games)
Nice, you guys know how to do it !
love the new logo!
Love love love the "Jungos here/back" LOL Anyway IMO this video is the most important and most helpful bowling related video I have seen and I can't thank you enough. I just did a tourny on 12/6 shot a 160 average for four games. I really got down on myself. The pattern was a 2.7:1. At least now I have an understanding on what I am up against!
Wow thanks for the kind words Bill!
-Jungo
I have never bowled a tournament on a house pattern. Here in Croatia we have always practiced with oiling the lanes with patterns for competition, and we never had a house pattern put on to compete. The easiest one is the USBC Blue, it is similar to the house pattern but still, a smaller ratio then the house.
The toughest by far was the US Open pattern (ration 1:1). That is brutal. You have to develop a track just outside your line with strong cover balls and then play a board inside of it to give yourself just a one board miss room at the breakpoint, not the arrows, but the breakpoint. That pattern is played downlane, so your miss room is ridiculously small. I encourage all to try it out because it is a really humbling experience.
Guys, this is a really great video! Keep them coming! :))
Wow are all you Croatians, must be deadly accurate!! Thanks for the compliment! We have a ton of fun making these vids 🙂
@@jrproshop
No not at all, just masochists!
You would never see this today, but when I started bowling the wood lanes were coated with lacquer and no oil was put on them. And all bowling balls were made out of rubber. That was truly difficult.
When was this? Very interesting
Lmfaooo thats rough pal
In 2005 & 2006 I traveled out to Reno and bowled in the Team USA trials. by far the most difficult shots I ever bowled on and quite humbling. But I knew that going in, I used it as a learning experience. Each time I also got a lesson from Mike Jasneau who is originally from Vermont.
PBA WOLFF Pattern was probably the hardest I have bowled on! Also, to add to your comments, trying to make sure you have the right ball and proper surface on the ball in your hand on difficult or tougher patterns will also help when your accuracy is at a premium. This will also help give you more room for error, when there isn’t much room for error on tougher patterns. AWESOME videos guys!
Great point! And thanks!!
39 ft with a ratio of 1.64:1....this past week....learned alot....didn't have the right equipment....will be ready next time!
hope to see you guys next year nationals winnipeg💪🔥
This was one of the best videos I've seen...GREAT STUFF! You all know your stuff...;) Love the Golf comment as well!
Thanks Willie!!
So I have the Proton it’s first ball up in league and I love it. I can get 1-2 games out of it normally, but last week I struggle in game 1 to get 171 and then was lost...seemed it was or went wet dry quick and I played them wrong that point on.
So where would the Senergy fit in my bag???
Proton, Dual Lock, Wild Streak and then the IQ sapphire and the Evolve can be used for wet dry if needed going forward, but where would the Senergy go after the Wild and before the IQ...so, solid, hybrid, pearl😌
I know changing search can help as well...guess I just want about ball...🙃
Thanks!
Yep exactly. Will be a little sharper than the wild streak and cover more boards than the sapphire. Assuming box surface and same layouts
Easily one of the best bowling channels. But I’ve only bowled on patters 5:1 or higher but want to try harder
It will be humbling and fun !
Hay I really like what you guys are doing keep it up. The toughest pattern for me is the Short pattern that Ron Mohr uses on his Senior Shoot-Out! He doesn’t have a name for it, so you may have to contact him for the numbers.
I keep commenting on old vids because I just found your channel a little while ago. :-D You guys put out some great videos!
Hardest pattern for me was (IIRC) Shark in 2013 in a sport league (shark, cheetah, scorpion, and chameleon, I think). I'm a lefty, speed-dominant stroker and was bowling with an Ebonite Mission 2.0. I also wasn't comfortable throwing in the middle of the lane, so I was basically taking about half a backswing to slow myself down.
I'm curious how much you think volume and length also play a factor (if you have a video on this already, please point me to it!).
Excellent video, and you Canadians are all so adorable!
The house that I bowl at has the 2018 Allsvenskan 41 I believe as their house shot which is about a 5-4:1 ratio challenge shot. I can play multiple angles but my breakpoint has no miss room whatsoever.
Wow ..these kids are happy.
They get it from their dad.
You should see then in person. Great guys, though!
They got a free ball, I’d be happy too
@@CurtisL8.3066 wait til they kiss a girl for the first time.
"Highway to hell" was a challenging shot we encountered at a tourney last month. It was a trios tourney and no one knew what the shot would be.
Kegel turnpike(pretty sure that was it). Last pattern of the year for our sport league. Couldn’t play the gutter or use urethane and a big OB... played super slick but the back ends still popped. LOTS of splits. I took 2 off the left then stone 9ed THE SAME FRAME. And we were on that Bich for 5 god dang weeks in league. Like one of the 10 first timers we had that year came back for the new season(kind of hard for a 200 average bowler to average 140 for 5 weeks and willingly want to do it again lol). Not sure if that’s how that pattern plays other places, but it was pretty brutal those 5 weeks.
Hardest pattern I ever bowled on was a reverse block. This was 10+ years ago when I was bowling youth league and had more of a stand left, crank it out to the right...maybe spray and pray method to bowling on a house shot. There was no hope. Lol
Finally i learned what house shot means.. Ive only played on mid to low ratio. But the difference between those are just massive. Mid ratio gives me some slack at least.
Bowled a local memorial tournament and the pattern was 44 feet 2:1 ratio. Absolute mental grind, couldn’t figure out what to do.
Once a month we have a tournament we bowl on extremely difficult patterns. I think the toughest is deffinitely either Door Stop or Emotional Control Catalyst
Hardest pattern I bowled on was the PBA wolfe pattern. Thanks for the video guys learned a lot!
I'm trying to convince them to let me lay down Wolf, but no one is biting yet. Lol
Do it!!
@@jrproshop we'll have plenty of time this month. ;) You know when I'm there.
The hardest oil pattern I've bowled on was the USBC team event in Billings, Montana. Nothing I tried worked to keep ball in play, plus an out of bounds pushing all plastic spare balls off target.
Should also compare breakpoints if you guys do another video like this. But all around great video
Recently bowled on a 35 ft. flat 1:1 pattern. I actually wasn't too upset about averaging 172. Was rough.
The center I bowl at for high school lays down ncaa patterns sometimes and those are always a challenge
Totally excellent video!
Now I would like to see a down and in "shot maker" on all three patterns.
The players you showed all had a left to right game with resin.
The hardest and first sport pattern I ever bowled on was the USBC Nationals in 2019.
I am a Classic Full Roller who uses primarily urethane. I play down and in direct to the pocket.
My house avg is 180. At Nationals I averaged 165 for singles, 15 pins under my house average and 9 pins above my Sport adjusted avg.
By comparison, a girl in my league who averages 212 on house (really great house shot bowler!) at Nationals also averaged 165 for singles which is 47 pins under her house average and 18 pins under her sport adjusted average.
My point is, flat sport patterns are not as hard for house shot shot makers who rely on consistency and accuracy for score compared to house shot power players who rely on revs and power and the tons of margin for error that a house shot can provide their style.
With my style, on house, I have to stay within 2 boards of my target line to be effective, while the girl I spoke of can miss by 10 boards and still strike.
So when I bowled sport I was still playing the same game, stay within a board or two of my target. Of course my bad misses were terribly punished.
I actually loved the USBC shot because I felt it was a true test of a bowler. I wish all house shots were flat, low ratio sport.
It changes how you think as a bowler and what type of ball you should be using and how you should be rolling it.
Thanks for the comment nordattack! How come you don't use resin on your house condition ? I'm sure it'll give you more room for error than 2 boards.
@@jrproshop As a Classic Full Roller, due to my slow ball speed, zero tilt and 90 degree axis rotation, resin balls are extremely over/under with virtually no consistency of motion. I have tried over 30 different resin balls with different surfaces and layouts with very poor success. Just recently I finally found one resin ball that behaves very well for me, the DV8 Poison Solid. It is smooth and early enough that it performs like a urethane ball but with more hitting power. The only issue I have with it is that it can die out very fast if there is not enough oil on the lane and hit like a pillow. So I save it for higher volume house shots.
I would recommend reading the description of my Full Roller video #118 which explains in detail how Full Rollers Bowl most successfully. There is excellent advice there from my Full Roller coach who bowled in the Golden Age. Check it: czcams.com/video/R5He3-jkiUs/video.html
Nicely done video
What's the best spot to throw the ball for IQ strom peral on a fresh oil lane
I just got done a regional bowling on 39ft mike Aulby. It was very tight threw the front and middle. I finished 27th out of 72 with a 203 avg. Hardest on for me yet.
Hardest pattern was at Main Event…no oil whatsoever across whole lane….threw plastic…hooked immediately (no matter playing inside or outside) then rolled out.
I've bowled 52ft flat 1:1. Shot a 697 for 3 pretty happy with that. So hard to bowl well on
the phantom pattern it was my school pattern for Michigan bowling. its about a 5:1 ratio and its so dense and heavy oil its hard to throw on
I bowl in both a sport league and a house league. I find the biggest challenge on the sport shot is my spare shots. Those cross lanes especially in my PBA experience league I need to be more direct something I have a difficult time doing. On the house shot just throw move a little more towards the middle throw it around 10 and it will usually come back.
That all being said when my physical game is right and my timing is down. I kinda like the sport shot better because most of the people iny sport league don't really know how to approach a sport shot. So as a lefty the pattern breaks down much slower, Also my house league is not consistent with how they oil. One week it's flooded. The next you would swear they had not oiled in a week. At least in my sport league the pattern changes every 3 weeks. I just try and select whichever 3 balls I think will work best for me on whatever pattern it is. If I'm wrong the first week..I get 2 more weeks and 6 more games to get it right.
As for my most difficult pattern Cheetah I suck at short patterns. But Cheetah especially the most recent version is 35 feet which isn't bad but only volume of 23. With my slow ball speed its difficult to control my hook on all that dry lane.
The current wolf is only 34, but that one actually has a volume of 29 something if I remember right.so that was actually more playable for me. Just use a more aggressive heavy oil ball.
As for the patterns I like Dragon 2020 a little over 30 volume I also like the 2019 version of Shark that is a volume of 30. Yes I like oil.😃 With my slow ball speed, I'm at my best when I can just throw my asymmetric heavy oil ball. Preferably with a volume between 28 and 30, and 43 feet or longer.😃
Our House shot is 41 feet, 24 mils and has a ratio of 14 to 1. I find this to pretty difficult. If I miss in I get nothing and outside gets to dry to fast. The cliff gets gets pretty bad very fast. At what higher ratio do you feel the pattern starts to get difficult again? Love the vids, good run for the win at the Seattle masters.
I’ve bowled in a house shot that was low ratio but don’t know the numbers they just said it was tougher than normal but I haven’t bowled on any other type of pattern
Eiffal tower I think is the hearfest ive ever thrown on. I averaged something like 130 for a series. Def opened my eyes lol
Hardest shot I’ve bowled on was probably Shawn’s Puzzle Piece. I bowled on Badger and I also bowled on Bear which was pretty fun
First of all, you guys have the best friggin' bowling channel period. Thank you for this informational content. Secondly, the hardest pattern I ever bowled on is the WTBA Athens from an old oil machine that only does forward oil on a really beat up synthetic surface.
Wow thanks Stephen!
idk what my house pattern is, but i find it extremely hard when the lane is just completely flooded. you get no movement whatsoever
Thanks. I’m new and am going to try a sport league. How would you play Montreal and what ball /drill pin would you use? I bowl one handed like Shawnee.
Probably start with a pin up symmetric solid like a phaze2 or axiom and go from there
What layout are you using on the IDOL synergy.
great video!
Hardest pattern I have bowled is WTBA Beijing. Slippery when I missed outside and crazy hook when I missed inside.
this is unrelated but have you guys played the game Coffee Talk? if you like visual novels, the soundtrack is chill like the music to all your videos.
Badger! I loved every brutal minute.
I feathered it up 5 with a big Asym for 6 games the last time I bowled on badger. It was the old badger though, drove people crazy that I was scoring a little doing that. Lol
In my very limited experience on sport patterns, the hardest I've been on was cheetah. Couldn't do anything right. First game shot 84, and my house shot average hovers around 185. UGH!
Melbourne if you didn't have urethane. Great vid guys
Probably the men’s 2019 collegiate ITC national pattern for the finals
And thank you so much for more information
Just by question. With the changes are you going to be covering 900 global in the future or nah?
Yep! That's the plan! -Jungo
Arsenic. That one is a beast.
Boy how I would love to try out some of those different patterns only thing I ever bowl is AMF's house shot 😞
Ok, this is great and all but the oil pattern I bowled on last year had a 26:1 ratio. I thought this was illegal until two different pro shop owners told me that the rules had recently changed. Since there are no winter sport shot leagues, and I've never seen a challenge shot league before, I'm either stuck doing tournaments (which I don't have time for) or I bowl on the easiest house shot ever.
26:1?! Wowww
The house shot at my center is similar to that Middle road pattern. About a 6:1 ratio, 29 mils. Needless to say it's... challenging lol
hi guys i like all vids help alot but i need help. i got the rst x1 and im blowing up the poket but im leveing to many 10 pins shoud i polish the ball or keep useing it the way it came.
Hey Ramon! Thanks for the question! It depends what kind of 10pins you are leaving, maybe try dulling it a bit to maybe 2000 and if that doesn't work maybe try compound
I used a blue light to see the lanes pattern get me hints on what I was bowling on my family are bowling tormented league
i know im extremely late but actually super interesting tbh.
I’m not sure what my house pattern is but if I get too far right it won’t come back
U.S Open 1:1. Loved the pattern
Bowled on cheetah and old US Open patterns. Cheetah was fun but US Open was brutally difficult
The hardest pattern I bowled on was a 50 foot pattern. Super difficult
The hardest bowling pattern I've bowled on is the house pattern
Our college coach loves to put out red square for practices 😅😅
I have banned that pattern from lucky 9 lanes. Lol
@@ryanreid8608 LMAO!
Hardest pattern I've ever bowled on was no pattern. Bowled league on lanes the when oil machine died and had not been oiled in over a week and was also after a kids party where they walked on the entirety of the lanes and approach. So I guess the pattern would be called disaster desert.
Wow
How come you guys play so deep and not straighten the line a little? Play straight over say the 13 on the sports shot?
Hardest pattern I've bowled on is Red Square. 1:1 flat is a grind
Hardest one for me is DRY!!! The lanes I've been going to use a house pattern with almost 2x as much oil. Then go back 2 days later, dry as a desert... it's actually quite discouraging 😞
A pattern called highway to hell. That was the Hardest one I've bowled on so far.
what lanes are you bowling out of?
Lucky 9 lanes in Richmond bc
please i need more info on the photon physix i have the mall myself and its never rolled how i wanted to rolled please make more info on it
BALL*
Anything specific you want to know?
Slowinski pattern called Pure Evil. Give it a go, you won’t be disappointed!!!
2019 36 foot Viper
Great video, just found your channel. Where can I get such a cool shirt?
Greets from Bavaria
Those jerseys are from efx! You can design anything you want! 🙂
I don’t recall the exact patter but all I remember was it was only 32 feet it was almost impossible
33’ foot Sydney on wood lanes
I bowl over the pond in England, you get a few centres which know how to put a good pattern out but alot of the time they oil them once a week and think that's OK, bowled in a comp once which was a reverse block patten nice and straight gutter to ten board then basically dry in the middle ! Oh what fun we had..... NOT !
Sounds brutal !