This video was wonderful. I am suddenly obsessed with perfecting the bend and came here to show my husband what that was. Emile Faure's technique and explanation was very clear to me and to my husband! If you follow Emile's advice about preparing your horse by training in collection and the more subtle use of the aids then the dressage rider should achieve a great shoulder-in.
Brilliant, brilliant!! Fabulous series of "How to". I too would give my eye teeth to have a lesson with this man. Love his philosophy of soft and forward without force.
What I would give to have a lesson with him. Understood perfectly what he wanted to achieve but would have liked more explanation of the aids for the shoulder-in: in all his wonderful videos her assumes that we all know already Of course it helps when you have a horse of that level of training and ability . Just watched Anna Ross- Davies video in same lesson. It's so much better .She explains the aids very clearly and the mistakes altogether a easier to learn from, As good as he is he assumes your level is often higher than it is.
I don't think he assumes however with a lot of top riders they forget what its like to be at the starting point! so when he says "position the horse and sit central" thats all he thinks hes doing !
What do you actually apply when you say ‘position shoulder in’ ? I see you’re straight, then you’re shoulder in, but you’re assuming we know how you got the horse to do that. I’m struggling to understand exactly what to do with my body to achieve this...
I am hooked, sadly somehow I did it correctly naturally. Then I took a clinic and clinician told me to position my inside leg behind the girth. Now 3 mo forward it just didn't feel right, so youtube came to my rescue and heck, I was right all along! But what a treat! I am on my way learning to ride dressage from your videos! Funny I have learned to do a lot of it on instinct... I am actually a show jumper who loves dressage..
Nuno Oliveira dedicated about 5 pages to the shoulder-in in his book "reflections on equestrian art", an exception to the otherwise small sections in his book. When taking the time to reflect a bit, there are quite a bit of similarities with what Emile says. Nuno explains how to position the horse's incurvation on page 50.
@@princessalliecat8 the execution in the video, especially at the middle of the wall was definitely more deflected than bent, which might be true, but the remark made is pretty correct. he bends the horse more, when he gets towards the end of the wall, getting better. nevertheless the argument he makes is perfectly defensible, he could have demonstrated it better in places... but that does not mean it cannot be done. (or that he cannot DO it, maybe he just didn't quite do it here)
I like your video But didn't you just move it's hind quartes out at 3.30? At the beginning at 4.34 was a correct one. You can see at that point the fornt leg gaining more freedom. unfortunatly see losses that expression lateron. But that was great. Edward Gal uses that principle to recieve the big trots out of horses.
if it is a collectING exercise, then why does the horse have to be already CollectED? if the horse has to be already collected then why do Grisone, Cavendish, Guérinière and Steinbrecht (and basically all other Old Masters) use it TO collect the Uncollected horse? (even lunging in the case of Steinbrecht) having said that i really like the text of the video. execution is not actually quite meeting the text, having less bend than the 'Abstellung' would require for the inside hind hip and leg to move parallel to the wall. Also the 'collected trot' is not very collected. but a nice image nevertheless, so uncommon in modern dressage world. i stress... i actually quite liked to watch you ride, which is unfortunately rare these days. and I REALLY subscribe to what you say, but i fear people will stare at a few inconsistencies. I am slightly confused why you didn't perform it on the center line for the sake of demonstration.
Steinbrecht postulated that the shoulder in was on three tracks. The principle being that the inside hind is under the horse. The ultimate goal of shoulder in is the bending of the hind legs, one at a time. Ie do it on both reins. This guy seems to miss the point.
Francois rebichon de la Guérinière, who named the exercise, 'epaule à dedans' specifically executes it on four tracks and mentions the shoulders should be deflected by '1,5 - 2 pieds' (ie 60 cm). He also mentions that it was already done by Wiliam cavendish, duke of Newcastle as well as De la Broué centuries before him. On closer inspection the mentions are more widespread than even that, and all writers from the 16h century onwards could be said to have written about versions of Shoulder-in. (you might argue that even Rufus mentions similar work in the 13th century, but that is open to interpretation.) the main point of Plinzners book under Steinbrechts' name seems to be to tell you why Baucher is terrible. But if you read carefully you will see that in gymnasium des Pferdes the same metric is repeatedly mentioned: the Hindlegs need to support the front. this is done even in a four track if the bend matches the Abstellung. It might be easier to hide the absence of a lifted back with less Abstellung, but the physical necessity is not present. so no, Steinbrecht does not really quite say that, although you could be forgiven to misconstrue that, as his writings are mostly through a ghost writer and meant to deface another author of the time.
Your horse looks slightly behind the vertical ,and compressed , in the FEI rule book it states the neck of the horse should be arced out and nose slightly in front of the vertical. Horse coming UP and into the hand?
+besitosxo ....pushing the quarters out only people do who dont ride by using weight aid cause they are not truly balancing on their horse in every changing moment ..... weight aid is the most important language with a horse ! ....horses follow the weight, this is pure physics or law of nature we all firstly have to understand .....but this video is good , i only miss the point of weight aid
A lot of what you're not doing but very little of what you should be doing? Classic. I'm sure a simple explanaition of the correct aids would be appreciated here. It doesn't happen by magic. Outside leg back slightly.....😝
This video was wonderful. I am suddenly obsessed with perfecting the bend and came here to show my husband what that was. Emile Faure's technique and explanation was very clear to me and to my husband! If you follow Emile's advice about preparing your horse by training in collection and the more subtle use of the aids then the dressage rider should achieve a great shoulder-in.
Brilliant, brilliant!! Fabulous series of "How to". I too would give my eye teeth to have a lesson with this man. Love his philosophy of soft and forward without force.
What I would give to have a lesson with him. Understood perfectly what he wanted to achieve but would have liked more explanation of the aids for the shoulder-in: in all his wonderful videos her assumes that we all know already Of course it helps when you have a horse of that level of training and ability . Just watched Anna Ross- Davies video in same lesson. It's so much better .She explains the aids very clearly and the mistakes altogether a easier to learn from, As good as he is he assumes your level is often higher than it is.
I don't think he assumes however with a lot of top riders they forget what its like to be at the starting point! so when he says "position the horse and sit central" thats all he thinks hes doing !
Love your “secrets” ! You make exercises so easy!
One of the best dressage riders in the UK!!!😊😊😊
He is amazing
A very nice and helpfull demonstration, thank you.
Thank you so much for sharing these videos!
What do you actually apply when you say ‘position shoulder in’ ? I see you’re straight, then you’re shoulder in, but you’re assuming we know how you got the horse to do that. I’m struggling to understand exactly what to do with my body to achieve this...
I am hooked, sadly somehow I did it correctly naturally. Then I took a clinic and clinician told me to position my inside leg behind the girth. Now 3 mo forward it just didn't feel right, so youtube came to my rescue and heck, I was right all along! But what a treat! I am on my way learning to ride dressage from your videos! Funny I have learned to do a lot of it on instinct... I am actually a show jumper who loves dressage..
Nuno Oliveira dedicated about 5 pages to the shoulder-in in his book "reflections on equestrian art", an exception to the otherwise small sections in his book. When taking the time to reflect a bit, there are quite a bit of similarities with what Emile says. Nuno explains how to position the horse's incurvation on page 50.
Cannot wait to sit trot like that..
Thank you very much this was very helpful
Check 2:05 this is exactly NOT what Steinbrecht advocates and in fact is contrary to what this guy mentioned in his introduction
What do you mean ? The Riders shoulders in the same position with the horse shoulders?
divina 22 no, he means that it was not a shoulder in, which is true, it was more of a leg yield
@@princessalliecat8 the execution in the video, especially at the middle of the wall was definitely more deflected than bent, which might be true, but the remark made is pretty correct.
he bends the horse more, when he gets towards the end of the wall, getting better.
nevertheless the argument he makes is perfectly defensible, he could have demonstrated it better in places... but that does not mean it cannot be done. (or that he cannot DO it, maybe he just didn't quite do it here)
I like your video But didn't you just move it's hind quartes out at 3.30? At the beginning at 4.34 was a correct one. You can see at that point the fornt leg gaining more freedom. unfortunatly see losses that expression lateron. But that was great. Edward Gal uses that principle to recieve the big trots out of horses.
if it is a collectING exercise, then why does the horse have to be already CollectED?
if the horse has to be already collected then why do Grisone, Cavendish, Guérinière and Steinbrecht (and basically all other Old Masters) use it TO collect the Uncollected horse? (even lunging in the case of Steinbrecht)
having said that i really like the text of the video.
execution is not actually quite meeting the text, having less bend than the 'Abstellung' would require for the inside hind hip and leg to move parallel to the wall. Also the 'collected trot' is not very collected. but a nice image nevertheless, so uncommon in modern dressage world.
i stress... i actually quite liked to watch you ride, which is unfortunately rare these days. and I REALLY subscribe to what you say, but i fear people will stare at a few inconsistencies.
I am slightly confused why you didn't perform it on the center line for the sake of demonstration.
Subscribed immediately
hmmm, so no mention of the horse's consistent head tilt... lots of good info, but that head tilt bothers me.
Steinbrecht postulated that the shoulder in was on three tracks. The principle being that the inside hind is under the horse.
The ultimate goal of shoulder in is the bending of the hind legs, one at a time. Ie do it on both reins. This guy seems to miss the point.
Please put a video up showing how to do it correctly
Francois rebichon de la Guérinière, who named the exercise, 'epaule à dedans' specifically executes it on four tracks and mentions the shoulders should be deflected by '1,5 - 2 pieds' (ie 60 cm). He also mentions that it was already done by Wiliam cavendish, duke of Newcastle as well as De la Broué centuries before him.
On closer inspection the mentions are more widespread than even that, and all writers from the 16h century onwards could be said to have written about versions of Shoulder-in. (you might argue that even Rufus mentions similar work in the 13th century, but that is open to interpretation.)
the main point of Plinzners book under Steinbrechts' name seems to be to tell you why Baucher is terrible.
But if you read carefully you will see that in gymnasium des Pferdes the same metric is repeatedly mentioned: the Hindlegs need to support the front. this is done even in a four track if the bend matches the Abstellung. It might be easier to hide the absence of a lifted back with less Abstellung, but the physical necessity is not present.
so no, Steinbrecht does not really quite say that, although you could be forgiven to misconstrue that, as his writings are mostly through a ghost writer and meant to deface another author of the time.
Horse is on four tracks much of the time here. Also the horse appears to rigid in the frame and a stoccato like trot.
Your horse looks slightly behind the vertical ,and compressed , in the FEI rule book it states the neck of the horse should be arced out and nose slightly in front of the vertical. Horse coming UP and into the hand?
At 2 10 he is not riding SI but something else. More like leg yield.
What are the correct aids for the shoulder in?
+besitosxo ....pushing the quarters out only people do who dont ride by using weight aid cause they are not truly balancing on their horse in every changing moment ..... weight aid is the most important language with a horse ! ....horses follow the weight, this is pure physics or law of nature we all firstly have to understand .....but this video is good , i only miss the point of weight aid
He doesn't explain how to do it properly
A lot of what you're not doing but very little of what you should be doing? Classic. I'm sure a simple explanaition of the correct aids would be appreciated here. It doesn't happen by magic. Outside leg back slightly.....😝
This is an example of how not to ride shoulder in
Explain - don't make a statement without backing it up
Could you please put a video up on how to do it correctly, Daniel Thomas
Easy to talk crap when you don't have to back it up. Which Olympics did you participate in again? 2000none..... 😂😂
Old vid, but helpful.