Salvage of vessel by ALP tug

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  • čas přidán 20. 08. 2024

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  • @tommypetraglia4688
    @tommypetraglia4688 Před 4 lety +7

    2 things:
    1) Why not approach from starboard to be in the lee of the swell
    2) If there's doubt the cable eye will fit through the hawse pipe send the cable with 20 ft (?) of 1 1/2" chain shackled to the end. That should be enough for them to get it to the bit.
    3) Compressed air or powder line gun. Send them that baby from 30 yards out
    Okay, that's 3.
    12 years ABS towing fuel oil out of NYC, which more than once were sent to lasso a barge adrift.
    My first capt was a former salvage guy, and he told us a lot of lies, and taught us to tie a bowline in a parted 4" wire.
    It's about a 4 foot eye, we captured the thimble tite to the end with a couple of Crosby clamps and were good to go. It made a real nice proper eye, and the bend just cinched itself into a solid knot
    When we limped into Norfolk with a new spool waiting the old timer running the picker pulling the wire off our winch said, "Looks like there's an old salvage man aboard"
    and had one of his men burn off the eye and hang it on the side of the shed.
    No lie👍

  • @williamzahavich5963
    @williamzahavich5963 Před 5 lety +16

    This is a very good video, of a job which I performed many times previously , on the Irving Cedar, Irving Miami , and many anchor handling tugs. I noticed a few items which occur frequently on many tow boat back decks .Crew members stepping out from the crashrail/bulwarks/barrier while a loaded wire is lying on deck, and hard hats failing off , where a chin strap strap can prevevt that occurrence, No matter how small a complaint may be, by solving it could save a life

  • @timtwichell1534
    @timtwichell1534 Před 6 lety +29

    Fantastic footage of the work, shows how rough a job it is. Very good rough sea action Great Job by the ALP Crews.

    • @archiehitler5264
      @archiehitler5264 Před 4 lety +5

      You haven't a clue how to make a salvage then if you believe they did a great job!

  • @sharkamov
    @sharkamov Před 5 lety +12

    This job is done exactly by the book. (Though, today most such operations involves the use of a compressed air 'Line-thrower' to catapult the first of two guidelines.) Authentic footage there *J* !👍

    • @jackflotta
      @jackflotta Před rokem

      are you sure? he approached from upwind, had to get reeeeeally close cause they use heaving line insted of line thrower with such a swell, on deck they were running in a bit of chaos...

  • @BruceBoschek
    @BruceBoschek Před 4 lety +13

    Ocean-going tugs are amazing! Thanks for sharing the video.

  • @peterwoods5310
    @peterwoods5310 Před 3 lety +5

    Interesting the hi-grip special red paint on the tug after deck.

  • @janisrcdronepilot1405
    @janisrcdronepilot1405 Před 3 lety +4

    Quite a challenging conditions for connection. Well done! 👍👍👍

  • @UQRXD
    @UQRXD Před rokem +1

    That ship really rocks and rolls a lot. Best job I ever had an ocean going tug.

  • @lisab3396
    @lisab3396 Před 5 lety +10

    Woooow... This was soo amazing. What may seem like a simple task can actually be soo complicated and potentially dangerous. A fantastic skipper an crew of the salvage tug.

  • @mohdibrahim5169
    @mohdibrahim5169 Před 2 lety

    This is wonderful video of a rough seas crew working job.

  • @paulkirkpatrick6371
    @paulkirkpatrick6371 Před 3 lety

    What an amazing footage of salvage experts what they do in a situation like that just gets the gold star award from me from northern ireland

  • @Mountchoirboy
    @Mountchoirboy Před 5 lety +4

    Never saw this before and gotta say it was awesome to watch, At first I'm thinking "that line is never gonna hold" then I realize it was a guide line (maybe has an "official" name but guide works for me) Good work!

    • @JanDootjes
      @JanDootjes  Před 5 lety

      Thanks for your comment bud!

    • @sharkamov
      @sharkamov Před 5 lety +1

      Your 'deductive powers' are right on the mony Glen. - 'Guide line' is correct!

    • @operatorjeffdeathstar7759
      @operatorjeffdeathstar7759 Před 2 lety +1

      Called messenger and then heavy messenger line, they skipped filming that bit...

  • @franzotto448
    @franzotto448 Před 5 lety +2

    THIS VIDEO HAS COPYRIGHT, DO NOT SHARE WITHOUT PERMISSION
    das ist perfekt so, kann Keiner kupfern

  • @dingledooley9283
    @dingledooley9283 Před 5 lety +6

    The amount of water on the deck of the tug is crazy, I hope those lads are on good money, you'd not see me doing anything like that for less than £50 a day!

    • @johnswimcat
      @johnswimcat Před 4 lety +6

      £50 an hour more like! Very dangerous work

    • @tommypetraglia4688
      @tommypetraglia4688 Před 4 lety +1

      Prbly 200-250/day

    • @tomsummers1137
      @tomsummers1137 Před 4 lety +1

      dingle dooley Engineers and skippers is 10 times that, more or less. These are very good jobs. Retirement jobs. Raise a family, buy a house jobs. Something that is hard to find anymore. I worked on AHTS’s for about 8 years before coming inside to work harbor tugs.

    • @nickjohns1192
      @nickjohns1192 Před 4 lety +5

      $50 a day
      Wouldn get out of bed for that

    • @mactcampbell
      @mactcampbell Před 3 lety +1

      That isn't that bad a day. Light gale at best. I can remember pulling anchors in 50 knots on the Grand Banks when there was field of drift ice drifting towards the rig.

  • @johnfry9010
    @johnfry9010 Před 6 lety +17

    Dangerous work , nice job saving that ship !

  • @mikewalrus4763
    @mikewalrus4763 Před 4 lety +1

    Nice little bit of salvage there - but with five on deck you must have the cook out on deck as well!

    • @JanDootjes
      @JanDootjes  Před 4 lety +1

      No, cook was in the galley haha. Kinda large crew on a ocean going tug.

    • @mikewalrus4763
      @mikewalrus4763 Před 4 lety +1

      @@JanDootjes s'funny all the ones I was on ran with a crew of about 12 - this gave us abouy three on deck at most, and one of those would be the mate/2nd mate!

    • @JanDootjes
      @JanDootjes  Před 4 lety +1

      @@mikewalrus4763 The ALP Vessels crew exist out of the following ranks:
      - Captain
      - Chief mate
      - 2nd mate
      - 3rd mate
      -Chief eng.
      -2nd eng.
      -3rd eng.
      -elec. officer
      -fitter
      -Oiler
      -wiper
      -wiper
      -bosun
      -AB
      -AB
      -OS
      -Deckboy
      -Cook
      -Messman
      -Cadet
      -Cadet

    • @mikewalrus4763
      @mikewalrus4763 Před 4 lety

      @@JanDootjes Phew thats a fair sized crew, most UK AHTS (which basically do the same thing plus extra) run with Master, mate and second mate. Chief engineer and second engineer, Cook and three deck hands (AB's / OS's) + extra engineer and one or two deckhands if working anchors / towing. Some may have a cadet onboard as well. Your extra hands sound very useful if expensive and that's the problem - long may your owners pay for them as well (it is their profit after all)

  • @brustar5152
    @brustar5152 Před 5 lety +4

    When the tug hand ran to catch the monkey's fist thrown from the carrier, he was risking his very life to grab aline that should have been thrown correctly in the first place making the retrieve the line to throw it again would have been the appropriate action here. I thought every ship today of a minimum tonnage had a line launcher in a locker somewhere as coast guard required equipment?

  • @ronnolan1958
    @ronnolan1958 Před 3 lety +4

    Great job, tug crew, awesome work. Very dangerous!!!

  • @TheSoloAsylum
    @TheSoloAsylum Před 5 lety +8

    That ship crew should have pulled out the six horse kicker motor and hung it off the back and went on to town.

    • @jblob5764
      @jblob5764 Před 3 lety +1

      😂😂 slow ride, take it easy

  • @ronbrennan4632
    @ronbrennan4632 Před 4 lety +3

    What a great job of the hardest work at sea to save another ship great video ron brennan rdzl om616 mb

    • @JanDootjes
      @JanDootjes  Před 4 lety +1

      Yeah, sure is Ron.
      It was a great experience as well!

  • @johnswimcat
    @johnswimcat Před 4 lety +2

    You need to have the right stuff to do this kind of thing. Very dangerous work. I guess it's these guys' choice to work without safety harnesses but Jeez that's risky stuff...

  • @raeanker3078
    @raeanker3078 Před 5 lety +1

    I'm just a dummy but why doesn't the vessel being rescued throw a line with buoys attached and the more manoeuvrable tug that is closer to the waterline and set up for retrieval them pull the line to them ?

    • @mikewebb4730
      @mikewebb4730 Před 4 lety +1

      I had the same thought. Position the tug down-wind and down-swell of the ship. The ship drops a line with floats into the water and the tug retrieves it.

  • @TheDaf95xf
    @TheDaf95xf Před 5 lety +5

    So brave the men on that tug 😀 Well done for stopping a disaster and loss of life at sea 🌊👍🏻

  • @Shipspotting_Vietnam
    @Shipspotting_Vietnam Před rokem

    Wonderful video!

  • @longtabsigo
    @longtabsigo Před 3 lety

    Was it a salvage? Or was it contracted assistance? I thought salvage only happens if the vessel is abandoned...just curious

  • @johnnyakutagawa72
    @johnnyakutagawa72 Před 3 lety

    Awesome video thanks for the upload

  • @mikewebb4730
    @mikewebb4730 Před 4 lety +1

    What is the square hatch in the tug's deck just forward of the fairlead? Did the cover-plate come loose? Looks like a real danger to the crew working the deck

    • @JanDootjes
      @JanDootjes  Před 4 lety +1

      In that space is a strong point welded. That's where a pulley is connected so you can connect a gogwire to it to hold the tow wire between the cargorails.

    • @mikewebb4730
      @mikewebb4730 Před 4 lety +1

      Thanks, understood. Would still think it should have a cover-plate when not in use.

  • @alfredalccantara3262
    @alfredalccantara3262 Před 2 lety

    The best job in the entire planet .i was a sailor for so many years

  • @patsematary
    @patsematary Před 3 lety +1

    “Salvage”....it’s a floating scrap with cooked engine

  • @indigo_enigma
    @indigo_enigma Před 6 lety +7

    Look at the state of that ship. It looks like its been adrift for years.

  • @houktanhdanhi2352
    @houktanhdanhi2352 Před 6 lety +7

    wow that is some swell as at 0.26 you can see the deck becoming wet of that ship and the water rises the full part of its free board, if it's doing that with a ship this size imagine what it's like in a smaller boat

    • @bogthing1
      @bogthing1 Před 5 lety

      Coming along side to a Jacob's ladder etc. in that sea state, in a smaller boat is nerve-wracking, I can assure you.

    • @apexxxx10
      @apexxxx10 Před 4 lety

      houk tanh danhi next, please write: 0:26 OK!

  • @capt.adelalyafee8951
    @capt.adelalyafee8951 Před 6 lety +7

    exlant effort.
    all the best for all seamen.

  • @sundarraju8383
    @sundarraju8383 Před 5 lety +1

    Very Useful video

  • @Cornell851
    @Cornell851 Před 4 lety +1

    This might be a daft question but isn't the tug giving a tow, how is it a salvage??.

    • @JanDootjes
      @JanDootjes  Před 4 lety +2

      That cargo vessel lost propulsion and was drifting away. In the tugboat community we call it an 'Salvage operation' since it wasn't a pre-planned tow job.

    • @Cornell851
      @Cornell851 Před 4 lety +2

      @@JanDootjes Thankyou for the reply 👍

  • @alice7704
    @alice7704 Před 5 lety +9

    they gone save few hundred $$$ not using line throwers ........

    • @petermcgreevy6386
      @petermcgreevy6386 Před 3 lety +1

      Saved on a safety fence at the back of the ship too....

  • @Trollemharder
    @Trollemharder Před 5 lety +3

    commentary on the work being done would make video much better

  • @TheDaf95xf
    @TheDaf95xf Před rokem

    Brave men of the sea 🌊 well done guys 👍🏻🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

  • @hughvane
    @hughvane Před 6 lety +8

    Who else was screaming at the crew on board the Andermatt to get their collective finger out and secure the tow line? I know those tugmen are highly competent - but working without tether lines? To me that's not brave, it's foolhardy.

    • @brustar5152
      @brustar5152 Před 5 lety +2

      If the level of activity shown by the carrier's deck crew is indicative of all-round dedication to maintenance, no wonder the engine quit.

  • @flixouille6408
    @flixouille6408 Před 2 lety

    Impressive!
    I have a question if someone knows the answer it would help :
    How is the throwed rope attached/connected to the metal cable ? How is the connection made and with what device ? Like a belt? We don't see it on the video
    Thank you. :)

  • @ThePeyton301
    @ThePeyton301 Před 2 lety

    This is a good video

  • @jacquespollet7999
    @jacquespollet7999 Před rokem

    superbe vidéo et toujours dangereux une opération de remorquage en haute mer surtout pour l'équipage du remorqueur...

  • @patocuac9385
    @patocuac9385 Před 2 lety

    Gracias por el video camaradas mercantes, se quedo sin maquina al que remolcan. Quiero ver mas

  • @rommelvalladarez7227
    @rommelvalladarez7227 Před 4 lety +1

    The vessel is from massoel swiss flag ..it has 3 sister ship..i was boarded one of those..m/v lugano..

    • @ryancastillo7240
      @ryancastillo7240 Před 4 lety +1

      Sir nkakamissed mv andermat..i was electrical officer before..

    • @FAXEK0NDI
      @FAXEK0NDI Před 2 lety

      Thanks for the info. I wondered why it's named after a small town of my country. But the ribbon in front of the ship looks like "Bern", but andermatt is in "Uri"?

  • @firesculpturevideo
    @firesculpturevideo Před 5 lety +1

    Instructional video on how to tow a large ship, should you ever need it. SWEEET!

    • @kennethwoodside6132
      @kennethwoodside6132 Před 5 lety

      The Tug was also lucky NOT to foul up with the amount of wire laying around the deck - not impressed at all/sorry.

  • @ryancastillo7240
    @ryancastillo7240 Před 4 lety

    Manage by massel miridian..i missed that ship..have a great wonderfull experienced being electrical officer..

  • @gulfstream-tvstudios9546

    nice ship..hope, they could repair it on the canary islands ...

  • @cadlac59
    @cadlac59 Před 4 lety +2

    Awesome to watch great seamanship. Did she suffer any damage?

    • @JanDootjes
      @JanDootjes  Před 4 lety +2

      The Andermatt had an engine failure and wasn't able to sail under own power. So the Winger did need to come to the rescue and tow her to the nearest port (Las Palmas) where she could be fixed again. Jan

    • @cadlac59
      @cadlac59 Před 4 lety +1

      IGNITE FUEL , thanks for that. Good to see a safe outcome

  • @jmenge4253
    @jmenge4253 Před 5 lety +1

    Shared this on FB

  • @ryancastillo7240
    @ryancastillo7240 Před 4 lety

    Thats my ship before..i was electrical officer.that ship is clipper ranger before..

  • @Aivar09
    @Aivar09 Před 4 lety +3

    Oh! Swiss sailors! - Andermatt. Rare fact.

  • @ole-johnnyaas929
    @ole-johnnyaas929 Před 5 lety

    Hvorfor ble ikke redningsutstyret ombord brukt, utskytning av redningslinne, istedenfor å ligge å kjøre frem og tilbake, jeg bare spør.Why dident they used their safety equipment onboard, shooting over a safetyline, in stead moving their ship forward and againt the ships side.

  • @user-ti6sy6tl1u
    @user-ti6sy6tl1u Před 4 lety

    Motorvessel 'Andermatt' столкнулся с неисправностью двигателя. Благодаря быстрому отклику буксира ALP 'ALP Winger' на следующий день Андерматт благополучно прибыл в гавань Лас-Пальмас. ЭТО ВИДЕО ИМЕЕТ АВТОРСКИЕ ПРАВА, НЕ ДЕЛИТЕСЬ БЕЗ РАЗРЕШЕНИЯ. TIA J. Dootjes

    • @JanDootjes
      @JanDootjes  Před 4 lety

      Спасибо за перевод! привет, Ян

  • @maritimonosangue7245
    @maritimonosangue7245 Před 5 lety

    Muito boa manobra de reboque...alguns perrengues mas isso faz parte do nosso dia a dia de nós mercantes.

  • @kennethwoodside6132
    @kennethwoodside6132 Před 5 lety

    Where is the Rocket Line - poor comms between Tug & Ship - they got there eventually;lucky they were far from the beach !

  • @anthonyxuereb792
    @anthonyxuereb792 Před 3 lety

    I hope the crew were tethered, I couldn't see clearly if they were or not.

  • @martindao3820
    @martindao3820 Před 4 lety

    WOW thanks much for sharing!!!

  • @surejsrsr113
    @surejsrsr113 Před 3 lety

    Superb team

  • @cesarcordobaferreira368

    Great job... congratulations.

  • @samaipata4756
    @samaipata4756 Před 4 lety

    What a disgrace for The Swiss to operate such a rust bucket!

  • @antontitan3595
    @antontitan3595 Před 5 lety +1

    Thanks for the video.

  • @tellmesomething2go
    @tellmesomething2go Před 6 lety +7

    What? You did`t show us much.

  • @kazukikashiwazaki4823
    @kazukikashiwazaki4823 Před 4 lety

    Interesting how this ship ended up with a name of a Swiss village...
    By the way, I tell it because I actually live in Switzerland, though not precisely in that village. xD

    • @JanDootjes
      @JanDootjes  Před 4 lety

      No clue why they did choose Winger but I'm almost sure it wasn't because that village had that name. Thanks for the information tho!
      All the best, Jan

  • @bebeto6861
    @bebeto6861 Před 3 lety

    engine trouble no spare parts on board ?

  • @apacheizm23
    @apacheizm23 Před 6 lety +1

    Anyone know what the estimate/cost is to get a ship of that size towed back to port?

    • @dickenscider9446
      @dickenscider9446 Před 5 lety

      Yes, thank you.

    • @airindiana
      @airindiana Před 5 lety

      Couple of hundred thousand dollars at a guess

    • @skyking6989
      @skyking6989 Před 2 lety

      Depends on the ship but I would say nothing less then a million dollars

  • @andrejglazacev4695
    @andrejglazacev4695 Před 3 lety

    Comments of sofa experts annoyed me to death😳

  • @user-fi8wx2oo6j
    @user-fi8wx2oo6j Před 5 lety +2

    Нафига это показывать ?
    Буксировку не показали !
    Импотэнтное видео , с висящим концом .

  • @abdulraeesshaikh9935
    @abdulraeesshaikh9935 Před 5 lety +3

    Love for those brave sailors

  • @1980Elplacerdeviajar
    @1980Elplacerdeviajar Před 4 lety

    The cargo ship was about to sunk ... good job ..

    • @JanDootjes
      @JanDootjes  Před 4 lety +2

      Haha, it looks like that because it was fully loaded with cargo, Jan.

    • @1980Elplacerdeviajar
      @1980Elplacerdeviajar Před 4 lety

      IGNITE FUEL waves going over looks very out of control ...

  • @donburke4886
    @donburke4886 Před 4 lety

    This ship was NOT salvaged..it was rescued/helped...It wasn't salvaged!!!!!

  • @mnrobards
    @mnrobards Před 4 lety +2

    Wish we could have seem taking ship under tow

    • @seamusreilly6522
      @seamusreilly6522 Před 4 lety +1

      Same here. Waited for the initial two to begin and nothing😢

  • @jillsmcfarland2001
    @jillsmcfarland2001 Před 5 lety +2

    Excellent !

  • @andragruenenwald5867
    @andragruenenwald5867 Před 4 lety

    I forgot a lot in being on a ship and some things could be new and noone knows how it feels to miss it!

  • @lytken
    @lytken Před 5 lety +2

    i would love to work on a tugboat

  • @tomhermens7698
    @tomhermens7698 Před 2 lety

    I take it she was grounded??

  • @bigpantsbobnuggets5051
    @bigpantsbobnuggets5051 Před 8 měsíci

    riveting video

  • @jinmatwha264
    @jinmatwha264 Před 6 lety +2

    Wow! Nice job

  • @VoidlessOfSpace
    @VoidlessOfSpace Před 4 lety

    wait, "do not share without permission"? so I cant tell people about this video I have to ask to share it with folks?

    • @JanDootjes
      @JanDootjes  Před 4 lety +1

      I mean, don't download the file and put your own name under it. You can share my video, but mention the video author (me) if you upload this vid on some kind of website. Thanks in advance | Jan

    • @VoidlessOfSpace
      @VoidlessOfSpace Před 4 lety

      @@JanDootjes ahh oki

  • @johngillon6969
    @johngillon6969 Před 5 lety

    Poor lads on that ship. I am terrified watchin a video on youtube. can't imagine what they're feeling. The Mother Ocean doesn't give a shit about you.

  • @favianmoreno6857
    @favianmoreno6857 Před 6 lety +1

    love this perils .l workin gulf of México pulling rigs .un oil field .acción pura. viva mexico

  • @rgrvgtt1352
    @rgrvgtt1352 Před 2 lety

    💓💓💓

  • @Emraanmalique
    @Emraanmalique Před 2 lety

    Just to be in 150 from 1.4m

  • @ayalia1
    @ayalia1 Před 5 lety +1

    dead in the water beam onto the sea

  • @bones392
    @bones392 Před rokem

    seafarers brave people

  • @MIWESTI
    @MIWESTI Před 4 lety

    EXCELENTE VALIENTES

  • @melkydiksonperangin908

    Whats going on with mv?

  • @duch9159
    @duch9159 Před 4 lety

    Woooow...

  • @andresamudera7773
    @andresamudera7773 Před 3 lety

    Gass poool

  • @nedcro
    @nedcro Před 5 lety

    Schitterende video !

  • @franciscomartinez7534
    @franciscomartinez7534 Před 5 lety

    Ver el canal dabibu

  • @yuzik7932
    @yuzik7932 Před 6 lety

    Что-то с ним, не так...

    • @user-jg5yn7gu6s
      @user-jg5yn7gu6s Před 5 lety

      Главный двигатель заглох
      Или винт потеряли
      На "Селенге" в84ом было такое после выхода из дока
      Через сутки хода полный стоп
      При вращающемся гребном вале также буксир ждали

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    @muhammaddahlan830 Před 2 lety

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  • @johnvanderbilt7132
    @johnvanderbilt7132 Před rokem

    Most likely Dutch there the best T this

  • @robdh2613
    @robdh2613 Před 5 lety

    Ok ,. er is een kabel gelegd,. Nou prachtig ,. en daar zit dan kopie right op,...?? echt waar,.?? tuurlijk.. Volledige Bedrijfspresentatie natuurlijk.. jaja.. !? m`n oma

    • @JanDootjes
      @JanDootjes  Před 5 lety

      Het is geen bedrijfspresentatie. Ik doe dit geheel op eigen houtje. Ik werk voor ALP maar de filmpjes die ik maak tijdens de reizen zijn gemaakt uit eigen initiatief.

    • @j.6651
      @j.6651 Před 4 lety

      IGNITE FUEL ik had een vraagje, nemen jullie ook stagiaires aan?

  • @fattaldr875
    @fattaldr875 Před 3 lety

    Jeri. Romadhon😃😂😇😈

  • @sushmamauryamaurya5129

    🌊⚓✨

  • @seetaramharikantr8217
    @seetaramharikantr8217 Před 2 lety

    Setaram

  • @apinakeaw4777
    @apinakeaw4777 Před 5 lety

    Ha

  • @micuentaparaforosycosas3484

    2:52 *Risky sh[]t* :o :o

  • @rafagaming866
    @rafagaming866 Před 4 lety

    Uctuok

  • @Pussyfan1953
    @Pussyfan1953 Před 3 lety

    Weer 10 verloren minuten