I ended up going with S50 due to higher magnification and quality image. With the S50 I can use mosaic to get larger area, but I can't solve the Dwarf low quality image due to its limited magnification and tiny aperture. I would be nice to have these smart scopes with larger aperture and removable lenses allowing the users to buy lenses and filters for different situation.
Ioan has been testing out the beta on Android and is quite impressed with the improvements, they are still improving the beta on iOS (what I'm testing) and they have added a lot of improvements, particularily unlocking the 4K (no binning) which makes its a really high resolution imaging device.
The portability of the dwarf 2 is top 1 of telescopes on the market, now they are upgrading also the app with new software updates. Glad you enjoyed the video!
Also the field of view of D2 is great for Andromeda galaxy, flame nebula with horsehead nebula together, Orion Nebula and Running Man nebula together. SeeStar field of view is too small of field of view for a 50mm telescope. But the price is amazing for SeeStar. Hopefully they will make a SeeStar pro with deep sky camera and not a planetary camera. The small field of view is made even smaller when you have field rotation due to Alt/Az mount. At least the field rotation can be eliminated on the D2 by polar alignment on a tripod. The SeeStar requires the device to be horizontal aligned or software will fail initialization.
Thanks for having me as a guest Ioan, if anyone wants to see my detailed videos about the Dwarf II or SeeStar S50 be sure to check out my playlist here: Start Your Astronomy Adventure with the Dwarf II Smart Telescope czcams.com/play/PLYE6Mg5t2BSE--_HNudNWMokJDG9ViSfl.html
I ended up going with S50 due to higher magnification and quality image. With the S50 I can use mosaic to get larger area, but I can't solve the Dwarf low quality image due to its limited magnification and tiny aperture. I would be nice to have these smart scopes with larger aperture and removable lenses allowing the users to buy lenses and filters for different situation.
Your welcome is a very thorough review and me and Graeme debated on the all important aspects and showing in the same time the results i got with the two telescopes
I decided on the Dwarf2 because I can travel with it easily. I also like that it has a wide field of view. the new software looks like it will address some of the limitations of this type of telescope. If I want higher quality deep sky but still want portability, I would save up for the vespera pro. but the seestar was impressive for the cost.
Glad the video helped. If you want to support the channel you can click on the affiliate link with the dwarf 2 in the description it will give you also the best price available on the dwarflab website
Hi @ravzir, I've tested the Dwarf II down to -27C ( czcams.com/video/EhApPXfvUiU/video.html ) and both units have dew heaters to avoid condensation. However the colder you go and using the dew heaters installed will reduce their operating time (unless they are plugged in) and I'll be testing the Seestar S50 in colder weather as winter moves in (currently I've tested -5C so far).
Hello, Graeme already replyed, but yes, they work fine under 0, trhe dewheaters work good. just watch for the baterry better to be charge outside if you want to image longer time
Hey guys I have a celestron nexstar gps 11. I was looking at the seestar or the vaois vespera. Which would you go with? The filters you have to buy separate for vespera are kind of expensive but I heard there filters are better than the seestar.
Hello. I think the Seestar is a better choice considering price/ performance. I will share soon the image results on the channel membership folder available to download starting the nebula plan
I've seen some fabulous images of deep space objects with the Seestar S50. How does it deal with field rotation during hours long timelapse shooting of deep space projects? Auto stacking rotation?
Hello, usually if you image more than 1 hour field rotation will start to be visible sometimes even less, you can check the chapter of the video with field rotation i have a time laspe video there how seestar field rotation starts to be visible
So, there is no possibility of polar aligning the Seestar 50 at present? And is it due mainly to the software requiring the scope to be level? Certainly it can physically polar aligned like the dwarf.
Unfortunately Seestar does not support equatorial mode and it wont work good if you try to polar align. It needs to be leveled with the ground and in equatorial mode it will not be anymore
Hi , I would like to know for the next total solar eclipse in Mexico, if it is possible to make a two-hour recording with the Dwarf or Seestar or if you have to use time lapse ? How much is the maximum video duration for them ? Thanks
Hello. The duration limit will probably be the memory card..be sure you clear.thendata on the seestar before starting. Seestar currently has better tracking and would be a better choice for a long timelapse. But i have not tested yet solar tracking on the dwarf 2 after the new updates. Might be good as well for.the next solar eclipse. Will make an update video when i will be able to test
SeeStarS50 as you’ll want to record the eclipse as a video. But I’m exploring a proper 2” adapter for a proper solar filter as I’ll be right under the eclipse.
Hi @Yoda1DaBestest ! I think for video and timelapse captures you will get the best quality with the Seestar S50. I just tested tonight the timelapse video mode of the sun but on the moon and tracks very well, at the moment better then the dwarf2. The only disadvantage with the seestar is that is harder to find the sun compared with the dwarf. Hope this helps to decide, and if you want to support the channel you can use one of the affiliate the links in the video description
The D2 has a 8 Megapixel vs the S50 with a 2 Megapixel, How does this affect thing in Astrophotography? Does that not give the D2 a lot more zoom/crop on the image?
Hello. If the pixels would be the same size then having more pixels means larger sensor and larger field of view and less pixels will be smaller sensor and a cropped zoomed view. Dwarf will give a fov equivalent with a full frame dslr at about 675mm. And the seestar i think about 1500 mm without cropping the image
sorry mein englisch ist nicht das beste,ich besitze 2 dwarf2, nutze sie auch wenn das wetter es zulässt,bin mit den ergebnissen des dwarfs sehr zufrieden und dank eurer unterstützung bei youtub was ihr übriegens sehr klasse macht,mache seit vielen jahren astronomie und bin von der leistung des dwars echt überwältigt,keine stackings mehr mit grossem aufwand,live zu sehen wie das bild ensteht,einfach wahnsinn, aufbau meiner sonstigen ausrüstung mit guiding usw,hat viel zeit in anspruch genommen,jetzt mit dem zwerg in minuten alles erledigt, im warnen im sesel sitzen und alles läuft,macht weiter so,ich liebe eure videos,lieben gruss aus bremen ,nord germany und clear sky🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩
Hello and thank you for the appreciation. Dwarflab also made some new improvements that I suggested in the last update: different names for astro fits so you can stack images from multiple nights without having to rename them and also correct white balance for lunar livestack. Will share soon more of my results with the dwarf 2 on the channel membership along with other telescopes data. Wish you clear sky and a nice time imaging with the Dwarf 2
With Seestar solar filter its so easy to put your finger through it. Thats that happened to me. trouble is any pushfit filter holder will not be 50mm, as the aperture is only the same size as the lens 50mm, and a push fir filter will not be 50mm aperture, so reducing performance slightly. The should have a screw thread, so you could just screw in filters
My friend and I saw a completely different night sky through ordinary binoculars. It was absolute light, consisting of all sorts of blue, red, light stars and others, and only in certain areas there was little blackness. How could this be?
@MrAbletospeak Yes, a completely different sky was visible, bright and light from a billion stars. It was a long time ago, then we explained it with special binocular lenses, but time passed and more, we didn’t see it no matter how much we looked. Obviously this is a coincidence of circumstances or someone just showed us it as it is. But we know it's possible
I got bad news for you. Your high end equipment is a toy too. Between my planetary, deep space, and solar scopes, I have well over 10,000 invested. And they are all toys. Unless you’re doing serious research with them, they are toys. The seestar has its place, as has been proven to be a wonderful teaching tool. Hey! Doesn’t that make it a tool and not a toy?
@@davidtotten3042 your defintion of toy is wrong I'm not here to debate the issue I answered a question and justified my opinion that is all. For ME these little gizmos are not serious astro tools as for you I don't care what you think.
If you are already intermediary or advance astronomer then your existing gear will get better results for people starting out these scopes allow them to leap frog what took me years to get similar quality images.
I ended up going with S50 due to higher magnification and quality image.
With the S50 I can use mosaic to get larger area, but I can't solve the Dwarf low quality image due to its limited magnification and tiny aperture.
I would be nice to have these smart scopes with larger aperture and removable lenses allowing the users to buy lenses and filters for different situation.
Great video Ioan and @emberskymedia I will buy the Seestar S50 first. Thanks for the hard work y'all put into this video.
Thank you so much Mark! I am glad you enjoyed watching!
Please do a Dwarf 3 vs S50 comparison too!
Will do later after.i get the dwarf 3 and review it
Thank you guys for making these videos they’ve been really informative and helpful !
Your welcome 🤗 glad you enjoyed watching the video
The S50 has better optics and app, but the D2 is a nice portable and versatile scope. The new D2 app will surely make it even better to use.
Ioan has been testing out the beta on Android and is quite impressed with the improvements, they are still improving the beta on iOS (what I'm testing) and they have added a lot of improvements, particularily unlocking the 4K (no binning) which makes its a really high resolution imaging device.
The portability of the dwarf 2 is top 1 of telescopes on the market, now they are upgrading also the app with new software updates. Glad you enjoyed the video!
Also the field of view of D2 is great for Andromeda galaxy, flame nebula with horsehead nebula together, Orion Nebula and Running Man nebula together. SeeStar field of view is too small of field of view for a 50mm telescope. But the price is amazing for SeeStar. Hopefully they will make a SeeStar pro with deep sky camera and not a planetary camera. The small field of view is made even smaller when you have field rotation due to Alt/Az mount. At least the field rotation can be eliminated on the D2 by polar alignment on a tripod. The SeeStar requires the device to be horizontal aligned or software will fail initialization.
yes, there are some clear pluses in D2 corners for intro DSO objects with its wider field of view
@@MrCornweda
Thanks for having me as a guest Ioan, if anyone wants to see my detailed videos about the Dwarf II or SeeStar S50 be sure to check out my playlist here: Start Your Astronomy Adventure with the Dwarf II Smart Telescope
czcams.com/play/PLYE6Mg5t2BSE--_HNudNWMokJDG9ViSfl.html
Your Welcome Graeme. Was nice to make this video collaboration with you!
Subscribed. Thank you for the link.
@@mamertobernal4460 Your welcome. glad you enjoyed the video!
I ended up going with S50 due to higher magnification and quality image.
With the S50 I can use mosaic to get larger area, but I can't solve the Dwarf low quality image due to its limited magnification and tiny aperture.
I would be nice to have these smart scopes with larger aperture and removable lenses allowing the users to buy lenses and filters for different situation.
Thank you, watching as undecided which way to go.
Your welcome is a very thorough review and me and Graeme debated on the all important aspects and showing in the same time the results i got with the two telescopes
I decided on the Dwarf2 because I can travel with it easily. I also like that it has a wide field of view. the new software looks like it will address some of the limitations of this type of telescope. If I want higher quality deep sky but still want portability, I would save up for the vespera pro. but the seestar was impressive for the cost.
Glad the video helped. If you want to support the channel you can click on the affiliate link with the dwarf 2 in the description it will give you also the best price available on the dwarflab website
You can print out a 2 inch filter attachment now from printables. Would help solve the problem I think.
That is very good
Amazing video gents!
Thank you very much! Glad you enjoyed watching
How do these two work in cold weather? Do they work in sub zero temperatures? What about condensation?
Hi @ravzir, I've tested the Dwarf II down to -27C ( czcams.com/video/EhApPXfvUiU/video.html ) and both units have dew heaters to avoid condensation. However the colder you go and using the dew heaters installed will reduce their operating time (unless they are plugged in) and I'll be testing the Seestar S50 in colder weather as winter moves in (currently I've tested -5C so far).
Hello, Graeme already replyed, but yes, they work fine under 0, trhe dewheaters work good. just watch for the baterry better to be charge outside if you want to image longer time
Hey guys I have a celestron nexstar gps 11. I was looking at the seestar or the vaois vespera. Which would you go with? The filters you have to buy separate for vespera are kind of expensive but I heard there filters are better than the seestar.
Hello. I think the Seestar is a better choice considering price/ performance. I will share soon the image results on the channel membership folder available to download starting the nebula plan
I've seen some fabulous images of deep space objects with the Seestar S50. How does it deal with field rotation during hours long timelapse shooting of deep space projects? Auto stacking rotation?
Hello, usually if you image more than 1 hour field rotation will start to be visible sometimes even less, you can check the chapter of the video with field rotation i have a time laspe video there how seestar field rotation starts to be visible
So, there is no possibility of polar aligning the Seestar 50 at present? And is it due mainly to the software requiring the scope to be level? Certainly it can physically polar aligned like the dwarf.
Unfortunately Seestar does not support equatorial mode and it wont work good if you try to polar align. It needs to be leveled with the ground and in equatorial mode it will not be anymore
Hi , I would like to know for the next total solar eclipse in Mexico, if it is possible to make a two-hour recording with the Dwarf or Seestar or if you have to use time lapse ? How much is the maximum video duration for them ? Thanks
Hello. The duration limit will probably be the memory card..be sure you clear.thendata on the seestar before starting. Seestar currently has better tracking and would be a better choice for a long timelapse. But i have not tested yet solar tracking on the dwarf 2 after the new updates. Might be good as well for.the next solar eclipse. Will make an update video when i will be able to test
I did buy both.
You eman you have them both?
What would you recommend for total solar eclipse photography in next April?
SeeStarS50 as you’ll want to record the eclipse as a video. But I’m exploring a proper 2” adapter for a proper solar filter as I’ll be right under the eclipse.
@@EmberSkyMedia can you take photos simultaneously?
either or@@Yoda1DaBestest, but for the sun the video is basically a series of photos as you won't be taking long exposures.
Hi @Yoda1DaBestest ! I think for video and timelapse captures you will get the best quality with the Seestar S50. I just tested tonight the timelapse video mode of the sun but on the moon and tracks very well, at the moment better then the dwarf2. The only disadvantage with the seestar is that is harder to find the sun compared with the dwarf. Hope this helps to decide, and if you want to support the channel you can use one of the affiliate the links in the video description
The D2 has a 8 Megapixel vs the S50 with a 2 Megapixel, How does this affect thing in Astrophotography? Does that not give the D2 a lot more zoom/crop on the image?
Hello. If the pixels would be the same size then having more pixels means larger sensor and larger field of view and less pixels will be smaller sensor and a cropped zoomed view. Dwarf will give a fov equivalent with a full frame dslr at about 675mm. And the seestar i think about 1500 mm without cropping the image
Awesome tutorial, you just made me new Dwarf II customer. How can I be sure this is the new version (better charging) so I can connect my power-banks?
Hello thank you. Have not sleep for 2 days to finish this long review. I think if it charges better is the new unit.
At this point they are selling only the new units. The first round of units (what I got) was 6-9months ago when they first game out.
sorry mein englisch ist nicht das beste,ich besitze 2 dwarf2, nutze sie auch wenn das wetter es zulässt,bin mit den ergebnissen des dwarfs sehr zufrieden und dank eurer unterstützung bei youtub was ihr übriegens sehr klasse macht,mache seit vielen jahren astronomie und bin von der leistung des dwars echt überwältigt,keine stackings mehr mit grossem aufwand,live zu sehen wie das bild ensteht,einfach wahnsinn, aufbau meiner sonstigen ausrüstung mit guiding usw,hat viel zeit in anspruch genommen,jetzt mit dem zwerg in minuten alles erledigt, im warnen im sesel sitzen und alles läuft,macht weiter so,ich liebe eure videos,lieben gruss aus bremen ,nord germany und clear sky🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩
Hello and thank you for the appreciation. Dwarflab also made some new improvements that I suggested in the last update: different names for astro fits so you can stack images from multiple nights without having to rename them and also correct white balance for lunar livestack. Will share soon more of my results with the dwarf 2 on the channel membership along with other telescopes data. Wish you clear sky and a nice time imaging with the Dwarf 2
the beauty of D2 is any filter your not reducing your aperture like Seestar when adding filters
True. Using filters on the dwarf is easier.
With Seestar solar filter its so easy to put your finger through it. Thats that happened to me. trouble is any pushfit filter holder will not be 50mm, as the aperture is only the same size as the lens 50mm, and a push fir filter will not be 50mm aperture, so reducing performance slightly. The should have a screw thread, so you could just screw in filters
Yes a screw thread would have been much better. Slightly will reduce the aperture i guess with 2mm if you will use filters in front.
So, best thing is to ask my wife if I can buy both? 😄
Good ideea!
My friend and I saw a completely different night sky through ordinary binoculars. It was absolute light, consisting of all sorts of blue, red, light stars and others, and only in certain areas there was little blackness. How could this be?
I do not know
@MrAbletospeak There are no photos because we looked through binoculars.
@MrAbletospeak Idle time I know that this is possible. Like a time machine
@MrAbletospeak Yes, a completely different sky was visible, bright and light from a billion stars. It was a long time ago, then we explained it with special binocular lenses, but time passed and more, we didn’t see it no matter how much we looked. Obviously this is a coincidence of circumstances or someone just showed us it as it is. But we know it's possible
First 👍
Thanks for the comment. If you have any questions feel free to write them in the comments
Second??? Or maybe Zero as I was in the video??
Bortle 2? Show off ;p
He is in bortle 2/3
Neither not for me
What telescop would be for you
@@GalaxyArtMedia I have proper astrophotography equipment not toys, this would be good for beginners or for school camps but not for serious astro.
I got bad news for you. Your high end equipment is a toy too. Between my planetary, deep space, and solar scopes, I have well over 10,000 invested. And they are all toys. Unless you’re doing serious research with them, they are toys.
The seestar has its place, as has been proven to be a wonderful teaching tool. Hey! Doesn’t that make it a tool and not a toy?
@@davidtotten3042 your defintion of toy is wrong I'm not here to debate the issue I answered a question and justified my opinion that is all. For ME these little gizmos are not serious astro tools as for you I don't care what you think.
If you are already intermediary or advance astronomer then your existing gear will get better results for people starting out these scopes allow them to leap frog what took me years to get similar quality images.