How to Pass an Interview, According to Ex-Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer

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  • čas přidán 14. 11. 2016
  • Nov. 7 -- Former Microsoft Chief Executive Officer Steve Ballmer gives "Bloomberg Studio 1.0" host Emily Chang one of his brain teaser interview questions.

Komentáře • 738

  • @karpediem4725
    @karpediem4725 Před 3 lety +753

    Steve ballmer didn’t even know if his answer was high or low

    • @jan2000nl
      @jan2000nl Před 3 lety +15

      Yeah I am going to take advice from this idiot. Just look at Microsoft’s performance during his so called leadership. The contrast pre Ballmer and post Ballmer to the dreadful performance during his reign is shocking.

    • @fredericb9359
      @fredericb9359 Před 3 lety +4

      The guy is a pity. Vulgar, full of arrogance and self-suffisance while he missed about every major disruption while managing Microsoft.

    • @MariaSantos-em5jv
      @MariaSantos-em5jv Před 3 lety +30

      He was changing the number. That's why you shouldn't play the game.

    • @magictrick8833
      @magictrick8833 Před 3 lety +4

      The concept of the “game” is dumb though.

    • @meandkg
      @meandkg Před 3 lety

      @@MariaSantos-em5jv This

  • @nyesExpress
    @nyesExpress Před 8 měsíci +88

    I'm quite impressed that Emily went for the binary search to find the number quickly. If she had a math/cs background, she would've cracked it.

    • @a_voice_in_the_wilderness
      @a_voice_in_the_wilderness Před 8 měsíci +30

      But we only have Steve's word that he chose and stayed with some number. I'd refuse to play unless he wrote the number on a piece of paper at the start so he could not adjust his "number" during play.

    • @keaton718
      @keaton718 Před 5 měsíci +5

      @@a_voice_in_the_wilderness you're low, I mean you're high. you're low. you're low, I mean you're high... I don't think Ballmer even remembered how the game worked...

    • @charaznable1114
      @charaznable1114 Před 28 dny

      trust me every Asian can do this.

  • @mportusable
    @mportusable Před 5 lety +59

    That Microsoft survived this guy is a testament at how incredibly strong the company is.

  • @salahomar3869
    @salahomar3869 Před 3 lety +47

    She was very excited to play, she didn’t even realize what she said yeah to 😄

  • @zanekaminski
    @zanekaminski Před 6 lety +279

    Interviewer didn't get it... the question is whether you would play the game, not what numbers you'd pick

    • @UnfamiliarPlace
      @UnfamiliarPlace Před 5 lety +6

      It was a useful demonstration, though, of a strategically chosen number that leads to more guesses than you'd expect

    • @fftvable
      @fftvable Před 5 lety +8

      Just did the maths, on average, you are going to lose approx 0.096$ every time you play this game, so you shouldn't take it

    • @hotwatermusic_
      @hotwatermusic_ Před 3 lety

      @@fftvable nerd

    • @bearkiels9032
      @bearkiels9032 Před 3 lety

      Exactly.

    • @jamesspinella7053
      @jamesspinella7053 Před 3 lety +9

      Even still she approached it the binary search way. Ballmer goes on to say "it turns out it's a binary search masquerading as a game" and basically says she failed, but like... she got it, she did a binary search. I'd say that's impressive for a non-developer.

  • @puryteevee
    @puryteevee Před 3 lety +248

    no one gonna talk about how Emily Chang jusst performed a binary search???

    • @mohdzebalam8706
      @mohdzebalam8706 Před 3 lety +2

      exaclty

    • @pieluver1234
      @pieluver1234 Před 3 lety +5

      She might not have been knowledgeable, but she was a fast learner.

    • @HouseOfHam
      @HouseOfHam Před 3 lety +14

      No, because that is exactly the strategy that the game counts on you using. She failed to recognize that the game was designed to defeat that very strategy. Performing a binary search on a range of 1-100 can take up to 7 guesses (log2 100=7).

    • @pieluver1234
      @pieluver1234 Před 3 lety +1

      @@HouseOfHam there's no "strategy". It was given that a binary search is being used, so it was a simple statistical assessment as to whether the expected outcome is beneficial. She learned the question and how to binary search from nothing. That is impressive.

    • @David-_-_-
      @David-_-_- Před 3 lety

      @@pieluver1234 Its a pretty straight forward thing to do that most people do naturally. Its literally just picking the middle point of the potential search and she didn't even do that correctly after the first 2 guesses. Thats why Balmer got screwed up on the high low when she said 60 - he was expecting 62/63. I think he may have even changed the number because she started deviating from what he expected.

  • @dannyboyz7061
    @dannyboyz7061 Před 6 lety +146

    How to pass an interview: Understand the binary solution relevant to the trick question. Got it.

  • @BoundMusic
    @BoundMusic Před 3 lety +174

    How to pass any interview: be the one that offers value to the company, act and demand according to a person that actually brings value to the company. Understand that the company is worthless without people like you and without customers.

    • @mannyechaluce3814
      @mannyechaluce3814 Před 8 měsíci

      Without companies, a person will have no jobs :D we all work for a company, the Government is a large conglomerate :D , own your own business, you work for yourself, there is no escaping that fact :D

  • @Sushilkumar92
    @Sushilkumar92 Před 6 lety +240

    Developers! Developers! Developers!

  • @itierney
    @itierney Před 6 lety +1097

    "How to Pass an Interview" by a guy who's had about 1 job, which he got sacked from.

    • @rpminc1974
      @rpminc1974 Před 6 lety +166

      Ian T Made 34 Billion with his one job !!

    • @TezukaKohei
      @TezukaKohei Před 6 lety +7

      LOL good point

    • @randomswedishdude
      @randomswedishdude Před 6 lety +24

      Has he hired a person or two?

    • @seanrobinsonjr4363
      @seanrobinsonjr4363 Před 5 lety +16

      How much he earned from one job is irrelevant. He still only had one job, so him being job interviewed is still something he doesn't have much experience with.

    • @rushi6597
      @rushi6597 Před 5 lety +34

      I think it's better to get advice from the dude who gives the interviews rather than someone who has been through a lot of interviews. (This way you are informed about what the interviewer looks for. If someone got interviewed a bunch of times and had a bunch of jobs, he might've been bouncing around a lot for an unfortunate reason.)

  • @Xalgucennia
    @Xalgucennia Před 5 lety +374

    The guy who became a billionaire by being somebody's room mate

    • @Chris-wq3pe
      @Chris-wq3pe Před 3 lety +54

      hey, it worked for zuckerburg too

    • @discoguru8363
      @discoguru8363 Před 3 lety +50

      Yeah luck placed him as the roommate. Honest hard work made him money.
      Opportunity presents itself to many people, only a few can seize it and make something out of it. You cant write off his successes at MS even though he has undoubtedly done taken some/many dumbass decisions.

    • @jbas7525
      @jbas7525 Před 3 lety +9

      thats such a poor comment. Gates was and is ruthless - he would not carry anyone and for sure Steve pulled his weight

    • @Xalgucennia
      @Xalgucennia Před 3 lety +12

      @@jbas7525
      ​ @J Bas Do you know Bill Gates personally, or or you just speculating?
      Because even the most ruthless people are usually pretty generous towards personal confidants.
      And really?
      Tell me, How may BILLIONAIRES do you think there are in the world? A few thousand at best, you think this mediocre middle manager at best, would have become a BILLIONAIRE.
      You think just "pulling your weight" at a job gets you to become the top fraction of a fraction of a percent in wealth do you?

    • @jbas7525
      @jbas7525 Před 3 lety +2

      @@Xalgucennia don't know Bill G but I know a couple of billionaires.

  • @honewhetstone1732
    @honewhetstone1732 Před 3 lety +47

    Ballmer looked more conscious asking those questions than Emily answering them. Great interview.

  • @Pasan34
    @Pasan34 Před 3 lety +136

    In the current interview process in 2020, this would be considered to be a Easy level problem. It was certainly easier to get hired into big tech even a decade ago than it is now.

    • @777jones
      @777jones Před 3 lety +7

      It n big tech companies / banks, high IQ is extremely common. The sense of how to get out of a wet paper bag is extremely rare.

    • @jopmota
      @jopmota Před 3 lety

      We can't say that for sure based only on this one question. We don't know the whole interview process.

    • @OM-el6oy
      @OM-el6oy Před 2 lety +13

      This isn't really a leetcode style problem, but i would rate it on the easier side of medium. You just need to know that the optimal strategy is a binary search and that the time complexity of a binary search is worse case O(logN). Therefore, the person proposing the game has an optimal strategy which makes the binary search go to its worst case. The expected required search time would therefore be log(100) = 6.64. At this point, the player is losing money.

    • @mirozen_
      @mirozen_ Před 2 lety +2

      @@jopmota This question was oriented towards evaluating a programming mindset and was a pretty basic example of a question that you might pose to a Dev. But the interview process "back in the day" wasn't solely "brain teaser" questions. There was also plenty of digging into past work and experiences as well as skill evaluation and "team compatibility". When questions like these were asked it was primarily to evaluate "how" the interviewee approached the problem - not necessarily whether they came up with the answer to the problem that you expected. (I rarely used questions like this when I was interviewing people, though I did have friends that used them.)

    • @bgill7475
      @bgill7475 Před 10 měsíci

      Absolutely, you need extensive knowledge and experience with algorithms now right out of the gate.

  • @AssolutoRacing
    @AssolutoRacing Před 5 lety +55

    0:59 At this point Ballmer surely thought that she failed the interview.

  • @solodolotrevino
    @solodolotrevino Před 3 lety +219

    “Do you want to play a game?”
    “No sir I’m not here to play games I’m looking to feed my family”
    Commenters: appreciate the serious analysis but this comment was made for *amusement* purposes only. No one would seriously verbalize this at a job interview. That’s why it’s a *joke*

    • @duerf5826
      @duerf5826 Před 3 lety +2

      While this is the factual reason why people apply for jobs, it is a red flag thing to say during a job interview according the recruiters that I know. In our glorious capitalistic society, companies are looking for what you can give them, not the other way around.

    • @chinchilla505
      @chinchilla505 Před 3 lety

      you have to be clever, charming and kno the basics of a job to land it. "Feed childeren!" is neither.

    • @bpisbp2
      @bpisbp2 Před 3 lety

      How to get the best probability that your comment will be read ? Reply to the most popular comment with least replies.

    • @olemew
      @olemew Před 3 lety

      @@duerf5826 Yeah. And when you go to any restaurant, you are looking for food, not the other way around. EviL CaPitaLism.

    • @unskeptable
      @unskeptable Před 3 lety

      You should definitely not mention your financial status in an interview

  • @heman248
    @heman248 Před 4 lety +200

    Literally this guy got the job because of his friend.

    • @officialjin6695
      @officialjin6695 Před 3 lety +4

      No, having the Harvard connection will get you the job as the co founder of the most successful software company of all time.

    • @chinchilla505
      @chinchilla505 Před 3 lety +5

      His Stanford/Harvard degrees aside, University teaches you that networking and having friends is important... Winning friends in high places is a difficult skill.

    • @MarvelousLXVII
      @MarvelousLXVII Před 3 lety

      He also got a perfect score on the SAT I believe.

    • @Locutus
      @Locutus Před 3 lety

      @@chinchilla505 Kevin o'Leary of Shark Tank was asked about his MBA he did. He asked if it was worth it. He said the education wasn't worth it, but the connections he made was worth it. The connections made him the money.

    • @Locutus
      @Locutus Před 3 lety

      @JuuzouSusuyaScythe TwoHandedGsKing I don't think it's sad. Some people are happy being at the business hierarchy all their lives, all they want to do in life is clock in and clock out from their job. Some people are happy with the opposite, they want to run companies like Microsoft, they want to become millionaires. Is either wrong?

  • @iTube4U
    @iTube4U Před 4 lety +38

    interviewer : answer this question and u r hired at microsoft
    candidate : NO!
    interviewer : hired !

  • @chacmool2581
    @chacmool2581 Před 3 lety +69

    Anyone with a tech, math background will intuitively and immediately reach for Probability in their mind. Any engineer fresh out of school should have said I am not playing.

    • @adampindelski2359
      @adampindelski2359 Před 3 lety +5

      Not really. First thing would be "O(logN) makes me lose at most 1$ per game so on average I should be a bit up".

    • @lutky612
      @lutky612 Před 3 lety

      And everyone out of any school should not waste time writing comments that nobody cares about...

    • @godtrader6102
      @godtrader6102 Před 3 lety +1

      @@adampindelski2359 I studied maths and I know just by intuition it' s not worth playing.

  • @luismartins3379
    @luismartins3379 Před 7 lety +213

    Misleading title.

    • @rajeshreddy9123
      @rajeshreddy9123 Před 7 lety +1

      Luis Martins no it's not misleading
      Answer is
      wear shorts and flash your skin

  • @SoftwareEngenius
    @SoftwareEngenius Před 7 lety +209

    If anyone knows anything about computer science this is rather straightforward. You use binary search, so log2(x), but you have that x = 100 so you can just calculate the worst case scenario that way ... log2(100) = 6.64 therefore implying you lose.

    • @cathalsurfs
      @cathalsurfs Před 6 lety +78

      If you know anything about anything you'd recognise the risk is the fucker is going to bullshit you with whatever number you provide, logarithmically or no. ;)

    • @peiditube
      @peiditube Před 6 lety +20

      that's the average number of searches, but to figure out if you want to play the game or not, you actually have to write out the full expected value, because there's a tiny chance you win $5, but 0% chance you lose $5

    • @peiditube
      @peiditube Před 6 lety +7

      The expected value is -6.5 cents. It's super close.

    • @xf99
      @xf99 Před 5 lety +15

      correct. You need 7 tries (it's between 2^6 = 64 & 2^7 = 128 so 7 as the integer closest to number of tries to reach 100) to find the number by binary search so you're always going to lose money, unless you get lucky. Ballmer's "explanation" about more numbers to lose on than to gain is either misinformation or he doesn't understand the binary nature of the problem (which I find hard to believe since he was a math major)

    • @mikemcmillan
      @mikemcmillan Před 5 lety +8

      That's right, but the interesting twist is that the guesser should expect that the person she is playing against will choose the worst case as their number. This let's you skip the binary search and only guess numbers which requires the maximum number of searches.

  • @a_voice_in_the_wilderness
    @a_voice_in_the_wilderness Před 8 měsíci +1

    We learned that Steve's number likely wasn't fixed at the start of the game. He simply said "hi" and "lo" in such a way as to force her make lots of guesses.

  • @Aaron-pv8vm
    @Aaron-pv8vm Před 3 lety +40

    This video was a blast. I'm surprised he can actually say something remotely intelligent amongst all the screaming he's done on stage.

  • @GreenEnvy.
    @GreenEnvy. Před 4 lety +9

    Imagine guessing the correct number on the first try only to be told you didn't get the job because you shouldn't have played the game.

  • @Tjosansa
    @Tjosansa Před 6 lety +421

    The dude that cost Microsoft billions.

    • @RickP2012
      @RickP2012 Před 6 lety +50

      Given that he doesn't seem to know whether one number is actually higher or lower than another it's hardly surprising.

    • @Teamshmo
      @Teamshmo Před 5 lety +7

      He had horrible sales for their products yet made them more money than ever

    • @ACT1O1
      @ACT1O1 Před 5 lety +1

      RickP2012 make sure to ask him to write it down before taking the brain tease

    • @drewerving7428
      @drewerving7428 Před 5 lety

      @@iMixMaSteR1 lost

    • @Unregistered007
      @Unregistered007 Před 5 lety +1

      He is playing a game with the Host... guess how many billions I lost for MS ... rofl...

  • @danielx40
    @danielx40 Před 5 lety +405

    How to ruin a tech company: give it to a business guy.

  • @amermahmood77
    @amermahmood77 Před 5 lety +8

    How to really answer the question:
    How about if I lose, I buy you lunch.
    BOOM, Win Win. You've built a relationship with the interviewer. And paid for all your wrong guesses.

    • @IAmOxidised7525
      @IAmOxidised7525 Před 3 lety

      Not really , if he declines your offer , lol , which he will...😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣

  • @harshitjaiswal3826
    @harshitjaiswal3826 Před 3 lety +33

    Now I understand why under his supervision Microsoft loses lots of money

    • @schelber
      @schelber Před 3 lety +3

      Harshit Jaiswal it’s “loses” not “looses”
      It’s “too” not “to”
      Did you help them lose money?

    • @harshitjaiswal3826
      @harshitjaiswal3826 Před 3 lety +1

      @@schelber ok I will make a correction.

    • @surendrashekhawat4155
      @surendrashekhawat4155 Před 3 lety

      Harshit Jaiswal how u knew? do you study Businesses?

  • @kotaku46
    @kotaku46 Před 3 lety +22

    Fun fact: Steve baller you know as a sales businessman actually holds the degree of economics and mathematics.

    • @magictrick8833
      @magictrick8833 Před 3 lety +3

      Doesn’t mean he knows anything about either lol

    • @RR-et6zp
      @RR-et6zp Před rokem +3

      @@magictrick8833 if you
      e a founder / cofounder , you need to know every detail

  • @ekaingarmendia
    @ekaingarmendia Před 6 lety +6

    I would answer: "If you give me 7 choices I'll play, because each time you say high or low you decrease the options by half and 100 divided by 2 seven times narrows the correct range to less than one, hence selecting the correct number". A more difficult and messy way to ask this would be same but ranging from 0 to 128 (both included). Some people will get fucked by this when their answer is wrong.

  • @armagetronfasttrack9808
    @armagetronfasttrack9808 Před 4 lety +12

    If you want to know the _actual_ exact answer, you calculate the expectation value where you multiply the probability of the occurrence times the money gained or lost from each case.
    The full calculation is: = 1/100 * (2^0*5 + 2^1*4 + 2^2*3 + 2^3*2 + 2^4*1 + 2^5*0 - 37*1) = $0.20 per game.
    Basically, each round the number of ways (out of 100 possible random numbers) that you could get the right number increases by a factor of 2. So there's 1 way to get it right on the first round (answer 50), 2 ways on the second round (answer 25 or 75) and so on until after the sixth round (which is 2^5 ways). Up to this point, you have had 63 opportunities to get the correct answer. Assuming you've played optimally but didn't win by the sixth round, you will be guaranteed to win on the seventh round which has 37 numbers left.
    Of course, this all assumes that he randomly chose the number. He can obviously choose a biased number if he wants which changes everything.

    • @F.G.30.4.91
      @F.G.30.4.91 Před 3 lety

      That cant be the full answer. If the expected value were positive you‘d play the game

    • @armagetronfasttrack9808
      @armagetronfasttrack9808 Před 3 lety +2

      @@F.G.30.4.91 It is the correct answer because you _should_ play the game based on how he described it in this video (and assuming a fairly random number). In the actual job interviews, I'm fairly certain that they phrase it differently so that the expectation value is different and negative.
      Ballmer just said it incorrectly here. He should have said that the guess after the $1 prize would instantly be a $1 loss, not a $0 wash. This would make you subtract 2^5 and 37*2 instead of only subtracting 37. The expectation value in this new situation would be -$0.49 so you wouldn't play the game if it was phrased in this way. Ballmer just fucked up here.

  • @sarabmann
    @sarabmann Před 4 lety +5

    The issue with the method is its focuses so narrowly on a unique trait serving a subset of the job functions, for example, programming. This very programmer will eventually be promoted to a manager and then to an executive position and if s/he lacks other required skills such as imagination, empathy, teamwork, etc. is bound to be failed. Many technology companies including Microsoft have changed their criteria for success after passing through lackluster times.

  • @felixmartin1691
    @felixmartin1691 Před 5 lety +7

    When she said 60, the guy really hesitated because the interviewer was really closed to guessing the number and if that was the case he will not be able to prove his point, fortunately for him the interviewer was so nervous and anxious that then she said almost a randomly lower number.
    The guy was right anyway, you should not play this game unless the number range is +/- 10.

  • @chadr76
    @chadr76 Před 3 lety +57

    This hiring practice explains a lot about Microsoft.

  • @GUTOMOFFICIAL
    @GUTOMOFFICIAL Před 4 lety +1

    That's pretty interesting! Is there a longer interview?

  • @rinking88
    @rinking88 Před rokem +1

    I would have said "No" but not because of the probability, but because my opponent has complete control over the situation and with no oversight whatsoever.

  • @Mq6vL9Bu
    @Mq6vL9Bu Před 3 lety +36

    Having worked for both Microsoft and Amazon, I must say Amazon's approach to interviewing is far superior to Microsoft's (at least the traditional Microsoft "cult of the puzzle" interview approach that Ballmer is describing here). Microsoft wants to know if you can solve a bite-sized intellectual teaser in the moment. Amazon wants to know if you have exhibited a pattern of behaviors over time that align with their leadership principles. The Amazon approach is much better. IMHO.

    • @namahshrestha3226
      @namahshrestha3226 Před 2 lety +1

      Hey what about Google? What do they want?

    • @BenRangel
      @BenRangel Před 2 lety +3

      I think Google do lots of basic computer problems (like search and sorting algorithms). and they are famous for the "reasonable approximation" questions like "How much does this building weigh" with the intent of listening more for the reasoning process than the answer

    • @Cenot4ph
      @Cenot4ph Před 9 měsíci +1

      Problem with AWS is they require you to have remembered all of it. If you haven't written it down and your memory isnt the best, forget it

  • @str8dominican
    @str8dominican Před 5 lety +34

    For the the people saying this is a stupid question sit down and pay attention, you might learn something:
    This isn’t some dumb game. He’s testing your ability to solve problems and more specifically your ability to apply known computer science algorithms to real world problems. The question is should you play the game, or better put, are you likely to win?, he’s not testing whether you say yes or no but HOW you come up with the correct answer, which is NO, you should not play.
    Answer: you have 5 tries to pick correctly before you start loosing money, so you want an algorithm that is very efficient. In this case the most efficient algorithm would be a binary search which has a big (O) of n log n. 2^5 = 32 but the list is a 1-100 which means it’s possible that after 5 choices you still won’t have the correct number. 2^6 = 64, that’s still not enough . 2^7 = 128, which is more than 100, and that’s perfect. So with binary search the most it could ever take is 7 tries to get the right answer. It could be less but worst case scenario is 7. The problem is he knows we’re using binary search because it’s the most efficient way, but since it’s a known algorithm it has very specific rules about which numbers to select. He can pick a number that will guarantee that we use all seven picks to get the right number. But we start losing money after 5. Therefore, no, you should not play the game.
    Programming is about solving problems. If you can’t handle or apply such a basic algorithm why would they intrust you with handling much more complicated problems at their company.

    • @str8dominican
      @str8dominican Před 5 lety

      InconnuGlitterBoy lol ok 😂

    • @sayanmondal4570
      @sayanmondal4570 Před 5 lety +3

      Hey thanks for the answer ... I didn't get the question from the video.

    • @str8dominican
      @str8dominican Před 5 lety

      Sayan Mondal you’re welcome

    • @armagetronfasttrack9808
      @armagetronfasttrack9808 Před 4 lety +2

      If you want to know the _actual_ exact answer, you calculate the expectation value where you multiply the probability of the occurrence times the money gained or lost from each case.
      The full calculation is: = 1/100 * (2^0*5 + 2^1*4 + 2^2*3 + 2^3*2 + 2^4*1 + 2^5*0 - 37*1) = $0.20 per game.
      Basically, each round the number of ways (out of 100 possible random numbers) that you could get the right number increases by a factor of 2. So there's 1 way to get it right on the first round (answer 50), 2 ways on the second round (answer 25 or 75) and so on until after the sixth round (which is 2^5 ways). Up to this point, you have had 63 opportunities to get the correct answer. Assuming you've played optimally but didn't win by the sixth round, you will be guaranteed to win on the seventh round which has 37 numbers left.
      Of course, this all assumes that he randomly chose the number. He can obviously choose a biased number if he wants which changes everything.

    • @kevinshiflett4449
      @kevinshiflett4449 Před 3 lety

      Best explanation in the comments

  • @user-go8cg1sz2k
    @user-go8cg1sz2k Před 7 měsíci

    The correct answer is “No” and ask Steve questions. He asked if you wanna play, not if you wanna guess.

  • @Bobby.Kristensen
    @Bobby.Kristensen Před 6 lety +7

    You don't need to do the odds on playing the game, logically speaking if somebody is asking you to play a game for money then they most likely know that the odds are in their favor and thus you shouldn't play.

  • @blakestam6235
    @blakestam6235 Před 3 lety +16

    You are looking for smart people, but here’s a former CEO that don’t even know if a number is low or high🤦🏿‍♂️🤦🏿‍♂️

    • @sentiasatransformasi
      @sentiasatransformasi Před 3 lety

      what are you trying to imply?

    • @blakestam6235
      @blakestam6235 Před 3 lety

      @@sentiasatransformasi You ask google.

    • @ziwer1
      @ziwer1 Před 3 lety

      because it's not meant to be answered. Given the details, you shouldn't play.

  • @2oldn2slow
    @2oldn2slow Před 3 lety +1

    Isnt it as simple as 5 guesses of 100 means 19:1 against getting it right ? So if you guess
    50
    then 25 or 75 so in 2 guesses you're in the right quartile but left with 3:25 against before you start losing money.

  • @twrkhanasparukh
    @twrkhanasparukh Před 4 lety +3

    Thats one question from one interview, which is like a waterdrop in an ocean, compared to what you'll have to pass in order to get hired. At least thats my expirience with the interviews in software development.

  • @ysaismartinez7618
    @ysaismartinez7618 Před 8 měsíci

    I love Emily's strategy: Start at mid point.

  • @bjbegui
    @bjbegui Před 8 měsíci

    She was smart enough to realize to solve that problem you'd divide and conquer

  • @pekarna
    @pekarna Před 6 lety +6

    You don't have to use binary search. First I would make him write the number so he can't cheat. Then I would go binary but with an offset that would derail his expectation of me dividing at exactly half. So first I would go 49, then 74, then 61. This probably changes the probabilty to my side (I didn't count).

  • @joejohnson2814
    @joejohnson2814 Před 3 lety +33

    This guy don't know what he's talking about.

  • @samuraimath1864
    @samuraimath1864 Před 4 měsíci

    The expected value of this game is actually positive if the number is picked uniformly at random (it's 20 cents). So unless you have 1$ in your account, you should play it. Also, if you suspect Balmer is going to pick numbers that make it hard assuming you'll use a simple binary search, you can take that into account and come up with a modified strategy that takes advantage of this to make even more money.

  • @Thatdude91800
    @Thatdude91800 Před 3 lety

    Makes alot of sense and funny how the same concept is showed on the tv show wire .

  • @Respect-120
    @Respect-120 Před 3 lety

    Motivation is a thing that can pushing you forward.

  • @mrhunterf2869
    @mrhunterf2869 Před 6 lety +123

    1:50 "Probablisticly".

  • @Geotubest
    @Geotubest Před 3 lety +4

    My answer would be, "I get significant utility from playing the game. For me, to play this game is fun and challenging and so I will engage in the game for the potential cost of a couple of bucks. What is life anyway when you don't take any risks? Had Microsoft not taken risks, it wouldn't be where it is today." BAM, Hired! (hopefully)

  • @carloantonio2k
    @carloantonio2k Před 3 lety +2

    ummm there's no way you could win that game if the number he's thinking about isn't written down before or there is a proof that he didnt just change that number on the go just to win

  • @hayitsdavid
    @hayitsdavid Před 9 měsíci

    first he says the number will be between 1 and 100, the statement is exclusive meaning the pick will be 2-99, so 98 possible choices.
    with binary search you would get 1x$5, 2x$4, 4x$3, 8x$2, 16x$1, 32x$0, 36x$-1.
    calculating the expected value using above (outcome / 98 * dollar value) added up you get ~$0.21. therefore statistically take the chance.
    BUT he doesn't say he will pick a number at random, so it could just be say no bc he will pick one of the 36 negative value options.

  • @keeler1160
    @keeler1160 Před 3 lety

    I wish to hear more about the guy who wrote the "This is answer" to that game or question.

  • @satyaranjan5329
    @satyaranjan5329 Před 3 lety +12

    Ballmer is crazy af

  • @levels1937
    @levels1937 Před 8 měsíci

    Step 1 have Balmer record the number he chose on a piece of paper for the integrity of the game.

  • @kaizun
    @kaizun Před 5 lety +1

    Yes everyone he changed the number on the fly to prove a point. Besides his question was would you play the game or not; not actually play the game and see if you can beat the odds.

  • @unboxingtheboxx
    @unboxingtheboxx Před 5 lety

    Great interview

  • @vinayaktripathi8307
    @vinayaktripathi8307 Před 2 lety +1

    He is teaching probability here.

  • @ScarabaeusSacer435
    @ScarabaeusSacer435 Před 12 dny

    I learned that learnings is somehow considered acceptable in corporate America.

  • @adolfoguevara6506
    @adolfoguevara6506 Před rokem

    That's why instead of hire people based on the achievements accomplished, they hire people who can solve a leetcode question .....

  • @ProBloggerWorld
    @ProBloggerWorld Před 7 měsíci

    First time ever, I found Ballmer somewhat interesting. Given, that he has a background in Mathematics I would have really loved to see how he further elaborated into his question.

  • @supcompro
    @supcompro Před 3 lety +2

    Made by someone who has never interview nor been interviewed for the position that 99% of the people would most likely be trying for

  • @gurjarc1
    @gurjarc1 Před 9 měsíci

    it is a binary search classic problem, where the problem gets halved by 2. resulting in log n base 2 . So here n is 100, log 100 base 2 somewhat equates to 6.6 (rounding to 7). So in worst case, the interviewee will need 7 attempts, but Steve is giving just 5 chances to prevent you from making a loss.

  • @Heavy_Distortion
    @Heavy_Distortion Před 7 lety +45

    The objective was to determine if the candidate would agree to play the game. Good tease. Emily Chang didn't get it. Strategist don't agree to play games they will lose, disrupters (rebels) answer by flipping a middle finger, consensus builders don't answer yes or no - instead they create their own answer.

    • @TezukaKohei
      @TezukaKohei Před 6 lety +2

      Good analysis

    • @ibnawf112
      @ibnawf112 Před 5 lety +1

      swankrecords well said

    • @UnknownUnknown-tu3be
      @UnknownUnknown-tu3be Před 5 lety +1

      My instant reaction was no I'm not playing.

    • @thegoodhood
      @thegoodhood Před 5 lety

      But Microsoft doesn't want rebels, if you have 300000 employees and they are all "rebels" and "disruptors" they will go bankrupt on shitty projects in one year.

    • @Heavy_Distortion
      @Heavy_Distortion Před 3 lety

      @@thegoodhood You're correct...unless the rebel is properly managed or "channeled."

  • @SamuelHauptmannvanDam
    @SamuelHauptmannvanDam Před 5 lety +1

    Imagine the number is 2: I say 50, low,(we're at 4$) 25, low, (we're at 3$)12, low, (we're at 2$)6, low, (we're at 1$)3, low - (we're at 0$) and the choices are: 2,1 or 0. On average, you'll pay Steve Ballmer.
    Anyone familiar with merge sort will be using it as their metaphor.

    • @armagetronfasttrack9808
      @armagetronfasttrack9808 Před 4 lety

      If you want to know the _actual_ exact answer, you calculate the expectation value where you multiply the probability of the occurrence times the money gained or lost from each case.
      The full calculation is: = 1/100 * (2^0*5 + 2^1*4 + 2^2*3 + 2^3*2 + 2^4*1 + 2^5*0 - 37*1) = $0.20 per game.
      Basically, each round the number of ways (out of 100 possible random numbers) that you could get the right number increases by a factor of 2. So there's 1 way to get it right on the first round (answer 50), 2 ways on the second round (answer 25 or 75) and so on until after the sixth round (which is 2^5 ways). Up to this point, you have had 63 opportunities to get the correct answer. Assuming you've played optimally but didn't win by the sixth round, you will be guaranteed to win on the seventh round which has 37 numbers left.
      Of course, this all assumes that he randomly chose the number. He can obviously choose a biased number if he wants which changes everything.

  • @diggingmystyle
    @diggingmystyle Před 3 lety +1

    How would he know? He has never interviewed for a job.

  • @cbalano
    @cbalano Před 7 lety +55

    This is an old, tired, strategy example. They explained this very game at the orientation day of my MBA program. I suspect Mr. Ballmer picked it up from his MBA, too.

  • @kray97
    @kray97 Před 2 lety +1

    Steve Balmer got a perfect 800 on the math SAT...not joking.

  • @Jeff-66
    @Jeff-66 Před 19 dny +1

    He does not tell how to 'pass an interview' in this video, not by any stretch.

  • @ashnasingh9280
    @ashnasingh9280 Před 6 lety +1

    Mathematically, it would take you a total of 7 guesses, if you did it correctly and always rounded down if it was higher and rounded down if it was lower. As an absolute maximum, 7. The chances of you doing it in 5 tries or less is significantly less.

  • @RebuttalRecords
    @RebuttalRecords Před 2 měsíci

    If I wanted to pass an interview at Micro$oft, I'd start yelling Developers, DEVelopers, DEVELOPERS, DEVELOPERS, DEVELOPERS, DEVELOPERS!!

  • @daliborgurjanski8586
    @daliborgurjanski8586 Před 4 lety +10

    1:12

  • @TayDuckQuack
    @TayDuckQuack Před 3 lety

    It's weird seeing him in HD and not in 144p

  • @robertmitola8182
    @robertmitola8182 Před 6 lety +2

    Emily actually had the right idea there, but it wasn't clear the actual question was whether or not you should play the game. I think she thought Steve was asking if she wanted to try!

  • @ichoudhury007
    @ichoudhury007 Před 4 lety

    If the quiz he asked wash to determine when a candidate decides to step back and think of his/her option to understand their personality, that indicates a preemptive determination factor from interviewer’s perspective and they are only selecting a candidate who thinks like they do. Why go about it through such an abstraction layer?

  • @jordanlover23
    @jordanlover23 Před 3 lety +8

    Lmao @ his incoherent blubbering when she turned the tables and asked “ok, what did you learn from that?”

  • @superdivinus987
    @superdivinus987 Před 5 lety

    he changed his chosen number, what is the expected value?

  • @genjimccorkle5518
    @genjimccorkle5518 Před 3 měsíci +1

    I would have been impressed that she used binary search either way.

  • @danm1063
    @danm1063 Před 5 lety +4

    1:25 "that you're a Dumbo for playing something you have more to lose than gain lol"

  • @alexandrechen3081
    @alexandrechen3081 Před 20 dny

    "I love this company!"

  • @Elonfuckingmusk
    @Elonfuckingmusk Před 3 lety +1

    Be best friends with Founder and CEO that’s how

  • @marioskoutras6583
    @marioskoutras6583 Před 5 lety +1

    How about going into the interview room screaming "COME OOON, GET UUUP"

    • @Chris-wq3pe
      @Chris-wq3pe Před 3 lety

      GIVE IT UP FOR ME !! WOOOOOOOOO!!!!

  • @RevZman
    @RevZman Před 5 lety +2

    I would play the game and make 5 guesses. If none of them worked then I'd stop guessing.

    • @thebasketballhistorian3291
      @thebasketballhistorian3291 Před 3 lety +2

      Yup, that's how games work. When your team is losing the game, you can just leave the game to avoid losing, lol.

  • @lenglain
    @lenglain Před 2 lety

    I'm a high school dropout and it seems clear that it would take me more than 5 guesses to get his number.

  • @mcleanblades9234
    @mcleanblades9234 Před 3 lety

    Does Ballmer write down the number before you start? So you know he doesn't change it...

  • @arashmes6273
    @arashmes6273 Před 3 lety +1

    he definitely changed his number twice

  • @maspesasmasperras5554
    @maspesasmasperras5554 Před 3 lety +13

    I guess he meant: "Just be Bill Gates roommate"

  • @oldtwinsna8347
    @oldtwinsna8347 Před 3 lety

    He would only interview high positions in leadership, not technicians, so the question has merits on how one would respond from a decision making standpoint.

  • @thebasketballhistorian3291

    When I'm asked trick questions like this in an interview, I already know it's not going to be a fun place to work at, lol.
    I'm fine with questions testing to see what I'll do in a situation and the right answer is open... but not a trick question with just one right answer the interviewer is judging people by.

    • @carck6442
      @carck6442 Před 3 lety +1

      he's judging how you handle the problem, not if your answer is 100% correct or not. It isn't a trick question, it's just a question.

    • @jessepasley5429
      @jessepasley5429 Před 3 lety +2

      That's not even close to a trick question. You can look at it as a statistics questions or a computer science (algorithm) question, but if you don't remember either approach from your university education, what business do you have working at a tech company?

  • @middernag6117
    @middernag6117 Před 3 lety +1

    He almost passed out on that presentation tho. “Developers Developers Developers Developers Developers Developers”

  • @theodorosconstantinides7417

    I wish interview questions were that easy

  • @kumar01234
    @kumar01234 Před 3 lety

    To be fair to the interviewer she did do it in a way a lot of programmers would. But going to mid way point on each group.

  • @schuiliz8754
    @schuiliz8754 Před 3 lety

    I just calculate a little bit. Roughly 28%- 32% of the chances you can get money using the interviewer’s strategy. If you are trying to take risks relying purely on luck, you will either win big or lose big.

  • @hoppinghobbit9797
    @hoppinghobbit9797 Před 5 měsíci

    my intuition: people like high numbers and avoid numbers at extremes. so think of number between 55 and 90.

  • @amanrai2505
    @amanrai2505 Před 5 lety

    He passed microsoft interview with no vision...
    .not a misleading title at all....

  • @inderjeet8659
    @inderjeet8659 Před rokem

    Just scream "I love this companyyy"

  • @iancrossley6637
    @iancrossley6637 Před 3 lety

    Where is the START button?

  • @Cvarier-channel
    @Cvarier-channel Před 7 lety +37

    log_2(n)

    • @salmanel-farsi3744
      @salmanel-farsi3744 Před 3 lety +4

      Log of N to the base 2 only gives you the number of minimum seraches which is needed to solve. Great. But, because each search has a different $ value for profit or loss, then you must calculate the Expected value to determine overall profitablility. eg
      E(X=profit or loss of one round of guessing) = $5(1/100) + $4(1/50) + $3(1/25) + $2(1/12.5) + $1(1/6.25) - $1(1/3.125) - $2(1/1.5625) . . .plug into wolframalpha . . . Since E(X) < 0, (it is actually $-1.03) so stay away. But even if E(x) > 0, there is a practicality of spending your time *if* the expected value for each round of guesses were very small. I am from Canada, so the coversion rate to USD would make this game worse.

  • @YachtEventHorizon
    @YachtEventHorizon Před 3 lety

    The guy was changing his number as he went along. He should have written the number down before the interviewer guessed.