Voldemort's Failed Horcrux | Harry Potter Theory
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- Today J dives into the Wizarding World of Harry Potter to discuss the missing object Voldemort was going to use to make his final Horcrux when he killed Harry and its ties to Godric Gryffindor!
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Hufflepuff: The Cup
Slytherin: The Locket
Ravenclaw: The Tiara
Gryffindor: Harry Potter
The *diadem
although harry was an accident
@@timhochstetler4515 aren't we all? ;)
DazedTwitch YES then what is the ring
@@nathanpfirman625 Family, Mother...?
Voldemort: Knock Knock
James: Who’s there?
Voldemort: You Know
James: You Know who?
Voldemort: Exactly.
James: Aw, Dang!
Edit: HOW DID THIS GET SO MANY LIKES WHAT-
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*the big haha*
Aaawwweeeee fiddlesticks
Grace Elliott lol keep spreading the world and I ate how people say you copied it
"sorting hat" "sword".... it is actually a "swording hat"
Jonas Vogel bruh.... Mind... Blown.....
#illuminaticonfirmed
Godric "Yeah guys we can use this and call it a swording hat"
Rowena "You mean sorting hat?"
Godric "... yes..."
The name is foreshadowing for book two "sword in hat"
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“Physical possession of the sword is not guaranteed ownership, as the sword can magically disappear and reappear at any merit it chooses. In Deathly Hallows, Griphook steals the sword from Harry after helping break into Gringotts, but the sword vanishes from his possession as he is not a true gryffindor.” So even if Voldemort got the sword, it might disappear before he could turn it into a horcrux because he’s not a true gryffindor.
Meaning it disappears before he killed Harry's mother hence why voldys soul latched onto harry potter. Imo this makes perfect sense
OMG this explains
@@ctheultimategamer172 why before killing his mother
We know Snape, a Slytherin, took the sword from behind the painting in the Headmaster's office and placed it in the bottom of the frozen pond in Deathly Hallows. So it's possible for a non-Gryffindor to take it, transport it, etc. without it disappearing. Apparently, the sword just does whatever it (or JK Rowling) wants to do.
@@c.w.9501 Sir, true Gryffindor does not necessarily mean that you should be in Gryffindor house. It means that you should have the qualities of a worthy Gryffindor to own or use the sword.
I still think it's super sweet that Mr and Mrs Weasley named Fred and George in honor of Fabian and Gideon
I wonder if they were twins too. There's no proof they were but it's my little headcanon.
@@SaraNoH27 they definitely were
@@patchworkundead4787 proof?
@@wolverineiscool7161 Well, in the pictures they look identical and they died fighting together. Seems twin-y. Technically not proof but I don't see why it was written that way if they weren't.
But Fred and Goerge are 2 years older than Harry, meaning Fabian and Gideon were still alive when they were born.
Never let Voldemort plan your wedding- or never let him buy the ring.
Let him plan your ex's wedding 😈
Agreed.
😹
Wow that joke is soooo original
ALWAYS! No... NEVER! Let Voldemort plan your wedding!
That fight between Fabian, Gidion and the five death eaters would have been incredible. Molly's older brothers must have been very very gifted wizards.
I read that as 'very very giraffe wizards.' Then I thought yeah that makes sense, they have kinda weird necks in that drawing lol
Making the sword a horcrux just seems like a bad idea
The symbolism aside, Voldemort wants horcruxes that can be used to restore him to life. Putting one in an object that might simply vanish into the hands of the enemy at any moment is a big, unnecessary risk.
You can't destroy the sword without the sword
Prince Pug basilisks can.
@@fabianbinder3681 wouldn't it be absorbed? Like last time? "The sword absorbs what makes it stronger" So... I guess if it actually became a horcrux it would be indestructible.
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I think it would simply absorb the power of that piece of Voldemort’s soul for whatever power it’s worth. So its impossible to make a horcrux out of as the piece of his soul couldn’t attach itself to the sword without being absorbed.
Voldemort would know the swords abilities so he wouldn't risk putting a part of his soul in it. Also goblin magic wouldn't be compatible with his. But the indestructible sword theory is interesting.
Lol _PERFECT_ Dumbledore Impression 😂😂
certainly a better Dumbledore than Michael Gambone
Don't forget the irony that Voldemort intended to make his final horcrux in Gryffndor's hometown, but that Harry ended up destroying the first horcrux in Slytherin's secret chamber.
Nice
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@TAD maybe he knew the sword was a fake, voldy is a very powerful wizard clearly. He ordered it to be put in the vault anyway because he knew that there was a chance harry and his friends would come looking for it? and there are only a few things more dangerous than trying to rob a gringotts vault and he counted on harry to get killed or get caught.
@@wolverineiscool7161 He had already made nagini his 6th horcrux (it was in fact 7th because harry was one but voldemort never knew)
Also voldemort was shocked to his core when he found out about the cup, he couldn't have suspected anything
The idea of the sword presenting itself to Fabian & Gideon right before they get killed by Death Eaters is kind of funny to me. Because it means that the sword just randomly shows up, even when it can't really do anything useful.
Like what if a worthy Gryffindor is drowning in an ocean while trying to rescue someone else and then the sword just appears out of the sky and bonks them on the head
Would the sword be useful in a wizard fight?
Dun bring a sword to a wand fight, am I right? 😆
I think Godric had intended it to be used for a sword duel which may have been common in his time? 🤔
At least the man himself was a fan of 'em.
@@Broockle To be fair, the sword is made by goblins. Likely, it could completely deflect spells, as goblin metal only takes on that which makes it stronger.
Voldemort: trick or treat
James: answers door
Also Voldemort: Avada kedavra
dave sharp thats not super far from how it went
@@cxfxcdude ah Halloween. The most murdery of all nights lol
Lily: not my husband you monster
Voldemort: Avada Kedavra
Man said trick
It probably went more like:
Voldy: Trick or treat!
James: Here is your candy kid... wait... you are not a kid
Voldy: no im not a kid, but you are dead, also i choose trick, Avada Kedavra
Lily: WHY DID YOU DO THIS YOU MONSTER?
Voldy: he gave me the worst candy that exists in the store next door, seriously, very rude, anyways DIE!
Voldemort is such a drama queen.
lol never heard anyone describe him that way but I see it
Well if you're going to be an evil villain, might as well do it in style.
Fancy Jammie K he is SUCH a drama queen! All his symbols and beliefs and the way he makes Hagrid carry harry back after he believes he's dead yay he's a guy who loves the limelight!
Is the 'limelight' pun intended?
Fancy Jammie K
He had a tiara, a cup, a locket, and a pet he adores
the irony is that he made harry a horecrux when he was trying to use harry to make a horecrux
Maybe oldy voldy is dyslexic
Maybe the sword reflected voldy’s soul into Harry?
True true
Absolutely, that’s some serious iron!
Rose Granger-Weasley *Horcrux not horecrux
Imagine Voldey just tries to make a horcrux but then the sword's just like:
~Slurps~ hippity hoppity your soul is now my property
Yes I really think that ancient magic of Gryffindor would be more powerful than the current magic.
Yubi yubi
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Also Voldemort specifically chose October 31st for his attack because of Sahmain, a Celtic holiday, which both Halloween and Dia De Los Muertos are based on, that celebrates the belief that the veil between the living world and the dead one is at its thinnest, thus being the perfect date to end his journey for immortality.
Peter Pettigrew/Wormtail seemed to have more regret for betraying James and Lily in the books than in the movies.
There were so many discrepancies in the books and movies it could be a book in and of itself. I think that Wormtail was so intimidated by Voldemort's considerable power that he probably felt he had no choice. He didn't want to die. So, he became what we saw in the books.
Yeah i mean he died in the malfoy manor when he hesitated to hurt harry... the silver hand voldemort gave him strangled him to death at the slightest sign of mercy..
ICE97 _98 less mercy and more cowardice or Betral depending how you look at it, it’s like what Sirius said Peter seeks out the strongest , at school this was Sirius and James, and during the war the order but as we all know he turns coat and gets an unknown number of people killed, now at the end of his life ( unknowingly) he senses Harry is going to turn the tide on Tom riddle , so he decided to help Harry most likely in an attempt to gain favour
@@ann._.002 wormtail didnt intend to show mercy to harry, its stated that a magical bond is created when a wizard saves the life of another wizard. harry saved wormtails life when he defended him from lupin and black. wormtail was chocking harry when harry reminds him, which causes wormtail to let go. since it was important to mention this bond in the book, id say that means he didnt choose to let go but was instead compelled to return the favor
S E V E N _holds up 3 fingers_ 3:37
which leaves 7 fingers down :)
@@madmeddik wow. .so true
There are Asian cultures in which the three fingers he used (thumb plus index plus middle) means 7. thumb plus index is six. maybe he's from Singapore?
I dont think he means it buy counting i think he was just moving his hands a lot while talking
Nathan Fong Hes clearly American you dunce
So. Order members seemed to drop like flies in the lead up to Lily and James being murdered, and Harry survived. Was Pettigrew responsible for all of the other deaths, if he was funneling info for a year? I suspect so.
That sounds about right
Not necessarily. The other order members weren't in hiding, I guess they sometimes launched some sort of an attack or were on a mission that went wrong and they ended up outnumbered.
I will rephrase my previous statement...when Tom was talking to Prof. Slughorn, he asked about dividing the soul into seven pieces, not make seven horcrux's. Does anyone else see this or agree that he only wanted 6 horcrux's...?
harry was not intentional..... books clearly says this
The dumbledor at the station scene states he is the horcrux that voldimort never ment to make
Nagini was only made a horcrux in Goblet of Fire. So Voldemort was 1 short of his goal when he went to kill baby Harry. He didn’t know Harry was made a horcrux, so unintentionally made one extra when he came back.
Yes but things changed from the time he was a kid to when he looked like the poster model for Michael Jackson’s plastic surgeon
Yes. Voldy's original plan for Horcruxes is the diary, the ring, locket, cup, diadem, sword. Nagini was Plan B when he failed to kill Harry. And he did not know that Harry became a sort of Horcrux.
13:06 no, the sword of Gryffindor did not just “appear “ in the lake. Snape put it there on dumbledore’s orders
Edit: also, the sword of Gryffindor was bewhiched to appear in the sorting hat for a worthy Gryffindor
ALANA BIGGERSTAFF yes but he was saying that it doesn’t have to come to you through the sorting hat
But Snape only puts it in the frozen lake because Dumbledore's portrait says it must be claimed under circumstances of extraordinary bravery.
After watching a few of his videos, I’ve noticed a few mistakes that he makes. I don’t believe he knows a lot of the finer details
Given how the sword presents itself to worthy Gryffindors under situations of great valor and the Sorting Hat stays at the school in the Headmaster's office, I very much doubt that many others besides Harry and Neville could have gotten the sword out of the hat because there would be so few opportunities to have a situation requiring valor while also happening to be in the same room as the hat. The hat is a good way to call the sword if you need it because the hat belonged to Gryffindor too, but that doesn't mean that it has to or even usually does present itself that way.
ALANA BIGGERSTAFF so it’s molnar
Something I just thought of while re-watching this video: What if the seemingly insignificant deaths were in fact emotionally significant to Voldemort? Considering his mother used a love potion to coerce Tom Sr. into a sexual relationship, it's not inconceivable that Tom Jr. would think of his mother as a "tramp" who loved a muggle. Therefore, his murder of a "muggle tramp" could have been symbolic in his mind for killing his mother. Maybe each of the other Horcrux deaths are equally symbolic in some way?
Anything I can clear up? :)
I wouldn't say that the horcrux selection implies any sort of sympathy, the sheer nature and purpose of the spell denies that as a possibility. But many psychopathic killers chose there victims for a reason, often an emotional one - even more so when they have an important goal in mind. No sympathy required, nor did I intend to suggest there was. :)
Well said
Good theory!
Mind blown 🤯
Voldemort should have just put his soul in a Nokia phone, I mean try breaking that thing.
I’m surprised that this when unnoticed 😂😂😂
The unbreakable Nokia 3310 wasn't around in the 80s, otherwise he might have.
@@eriks1765 it's a joke
@@eriks1765 oww man
@@eriks1765 you must be real fun at parties
To me, the reason why the sword often appears inside the Sorting Hat is simply because the hat was Godric Gryffindor's
If I were making a horcrux, I would make it something random, like an obscure gram of sand so that anyone looking for it would have no chance.
Tom Riddle is a psychopath/ antisocial sociopath/ malignant narcissist, he collects meaningful "trophies" or personal items like when pedophiles, other rapists, clinical sadists and stalkers keep photographs or special items from their victims. He was doing that already when Dumbledore went over to get him at the Orphanage. Dark Tetrad people almost compulsively follow neuronally nature plus nurture written behavioural manuals of predatory behaviour, that's one of the ways in which they're diagnosable, apart from lacking empathy, being remorseless, machiavellian, narcissistic, utilitarian, self-delusional and sadistic. They can troll people but in your example I'd be only if they imprint meaning onto a grain of sand, the thing is that as Voldie you would need to find it to eventually, so it would have to get some magnetic attraction towards you, or something, idk.
Interesting thought... If ordinary enough, then when it should get broken would it cause questions, because it did not break (shatter, dent,etc)? Good idea especially if just tossed and goes to a landfill, because then it would get lost and no one would be the wiser. It seemed to me that he wanted to protect them and therein was the problem. The protection alone or keeping secret automatically draws people to want to find. If that were to happen, then would that mean that evil wins and the good would lose. A good example is a hollowed out book with your valuables out in the open versus of safe on/in the wall. The safe states if you had valuables it would be there, and if not you have none for the taking. I like this thought process for being the winner. Now, if this were true, then would anyone be able to find the item(s) in time to destroy in order for Voldemort to die and the current evil with him? My guess is Harry would have died a second death, then all the world would be under Voldemort's rule.
I would choose a glass of water then I pour the water into the sea...good luck destroying that!
What are the limits to what you can make a horcrux though? Like, could you make the sun or moon a horcrux? Because that'd be pretty unstoppable
I guess they‘re very powerful and therefore easy to track down by good wizards like Dumbledore because they can feel the power. So it wouldn‘t help to take the easiest items and just dig them into the earth but, like voldemort did, secure them in different dangerous places surronded by traps etc.
"HARRAH DID YOU PUT CHOUR NAME IN THE GOBLUT OF FIYAH!?!?"
-Dumbledore said calmly
Levi Reeves *calmly*
CALM DUMBLEDORE CALMMMMM
*I'M COMPLETELY CALM*
I aM bEiNg CaLm OkAy
This is why, when the lord of the rings was being filmed, Ian McKellen literally carried the books around like a BIBLE. This is why. Michael Gambon, you should've done the same thing.
Funny thing about this theory is that he did technically end up getting something from Gryffindor… Harry
Here's a thought. When Molly's brothers were attacked by the death eaters the sword likely came to them and the disappeared when they died. Guess Voldamort heard that this happened and knew it would be presented to James too if he was attacked. So he went to Godrics Hollow believing the sword would be there.
Snape was a Slytherin, yet the sword stayed in the headmasters office, and Snape could even put it in the lake where it waited for Ron and Harry.
So the sword doesn't seem to disappear after the person who summoned no longer has it.
Voldemort must have wanted to say "Trick Or Treat!" To the potter's before he killed them. That must have been the reason he waited till Halloween
Also Halloween is believed to be a very powerful night in terms of magic. So being a drama queen, Voldemort wants Harry's death to be extra special.
it because he would fit with his costume in the muggle world
OBVIOUSLY
Or its a good night for dark magic.....
*LAUGH
S* 😂
You guys can never really escape horcrux theories can ya? (Not that I'm complaining, I LOVE these theories).
Same!
RAPTORUS!!! from the pokemon in scg!
Agreed
Some of the best theories.
what would have happened if voldemort was successful in chamber of secrets?
The easier thing to steal would be the sorting hat which used to belong to Godric Gryfindor and was then enchanted by each founder. This would also make it easier for Voldemort to find and identify potential future death eaters by the part of his soul influencing the hats decisions when sorting new students.
That is a horrifying thought.....
An interesting question is how the heroes could have gone about destroying the sword if Voldemort had succeeded in making it a horcrux, and whether it would still have been able to destroy the other horcruxes.
uhhhh, I think we should remake the Harry Potter movies and J should just play ALL the characters
(with corresponding socks of course).
That’s a shit idea
YES! That's hilarious.
Every single time you did the Dumbledore voice I kept envisioning the Mysterious Ticking Noise video. Very good Dumbledore voice and great theory as always.
Snape, Snape, Severus Snape
That never gets old and puts a smile on my face every single time. 😸
"Voldemort! Voldemort! Ooh! Voldy! Voldy! Voldy! Voldemort! Ba dum bum bum!"
Old moldy Voldy. I just love no matter how many years have past Harry Potter books, films, and other videos never go out of date. 😀
Maybe it was Alice Longbottom who summoned the sword? I can imagine Bellatrix handing Voldy the sword. Maybe she was the only one who was entrusted to handle sword related business from then on.
Valid point. At least as far as the films are concerned. She did have it in her vault which is why the kids had to go there to retrieve it.
The Longbottoms were only attacked after Voldemot disappeared.
I love the fact that they’re using the animated version of the Dumbledore puppet from Potter Puppet Pals.
1:47 "Is that a peasant? AVAVAKAVAVA!!! Horcrux!" 😂😂😂
peasant lives matter
@Pius Emmanuel Wong Avada Kedavra
@Pius Emmanuel Wong doesnt matter what he says read the books its spelled Avada Kedavra
@Pius Emmanuel Wong Its ok, just letting you know. I used to read the books like a religion,when I was younger(I still have mine,plus the cursed child) so I was obsessed with the Killing Curse!
Pius Emmanuel Wong that is how it is spelled.Didn’t you read the books?
It’s my personal theory that Voldemort got the Gryffindor sword when he killed James Potter. The would sword appeared to James Potter, who in an act of courage, tried to save his family, but died to Voldemort.
It makes sense..
But fibian and gidian just sounds so much more ... romantic?
Two brothers fighting five death eaters and potentialt Voldemort.
Idk i always had a soft spot for twins.
Btw we need an old order of the pheonix spinoff
Why would Voldemort go there without an item to make into a Horcrux though? Considering the time gap, i don't think your theory is very likely.
Oh man I love that idea!
I had this idea too, i think he tried to get it from Fabien and Gideon but it either didn't appear bc they were armed already; hence the sneak attack despite Voldemort being overwhelmingly powerful, or the sword appeared and vanished in the ensuing chaos. It makes sense though bc James was specifically unarmed and Voldemort killed him rather than use imperio to control him as he was a strong wizard himself and Voldemort says that he doesn't want to waste any magic blood.
@@duckchickenpenguin6178 its not "romantic" lol but i do think theres a better chance of it being f and g
James is restless in the house..... did JKR just predict quarentine?
🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯
Lily and James were self-quarantining. It’s completely normal.
Hahaha
'HARRYPOTTERDIDYOUPUTYOURNAMEINTHEGOBLETOFFIRE' said Dumbledore calmly.
This is a child's idea of adaptation criticism. It amazes me how so many fans are hung up on this nit pick as if it's the biggest problem in the series.
Alternate theory: We don’t actually know a bunch about how horcruxes are made, but we do know that it is a very significant magical event, which requires a powerful wizard, what if it also requires magically significant days? The Harry Potter series shows constantly that halloween is magically significant, at least to Harry, and in real world “magic lore” halloween is significant. It could be that Halloween was the closest convenient and magically significant day under which horcruxes could be made. If we go by real world “lore” the fall solstice would happen first, but it could be too close to when Voldemort received the information to matter, being only a month and a half, given that it’s possible to ritual to create horcruxes requires very specific ingredients, which is why Slughorn might know about it, being a potions master.
arent u supposed to eat the victim? i remember cannibalism being part of it
@@ryanward5770 not really.. the books say that the victims of voldemorts horcux making were unharmed, no signs of anything, just like all the others killed by avada kedavra.. so i guess one would have seen if voldy took a bite.. but there were no traces at all.. so no that is certainly not how a horcurx is made..
Also there is a theory that Rowling kind of alluded to. Its that Horcruxes are made by killing the person then proceeding to comit cannibalism as part of the ritual. This may have been a way to objectify them so then the soul would grab onto an object. And as the Potters’s bodies were found intact that may have been why his soul latched onto Harry
This would explain why he used a vagrant for one and a peasant for another, because if he was on a time crunch and couldn't find a suitable sacrifice... but he had to do it on _that_ day.
Makes sense.
@@Dunkelelf3 plus moaning myrtle said that she stayed to watch her body. She would have said something about her body being desecrated
Gabbian and Fiddeon, Gred and Forge
god I miss Fred
That Avada Kedavra sure didn't
Olly Dundas Gideon *
so does gorge
Happy now
He used harrys blood for his resurrection to get his harrys love spell in his own blood. So he could be able to touch Harry. 1st film shows what happend when he tried touching Harry!
I think that he just needed something of all his LIVING horcruxes, Harry’s blood and something from Nagini that’s why he looks like a snake
@@Hsjfiwbrbffbabs he doesn't look like a snake because of Nagini czcams.com/video/8t03h4kL348/video.html&ab_channel=SuperCarlinBrothers
I was suprised they missed that in this video as it was talked about alot but really they just ignore some stuff to put out convincing theorys.
You should bring back the “these socks are amazing”
here's a fan theory
harrys mother's love didnt save him, the fact that voldmort tried to make a horcrux out of an item that couldnt be damaged did. a fragment of his soul wouldnt make the sword stronger so it would reject it
It'd have a certain amount of poetry that the sword went on to present itself to the one who was the intended mark... from the very same source even.
@@propheinx2250 wouldn't it be interesting to think the sword accidentally made the lightning scar? I know it didn't, but it's something to think about.
Watching this a year late... but maybe he:
1. Split his soul as he cast the killing curse
2.a. The curse rebounds off Lily’s love shield
2.b. The part of the soul that he attempted to put in the sword is rejected
3.a. The rebounding curse kills his physical body and that part of his soul
3.b. The rejected soul fragment can’t go into the sword or back into his dead body (if that is even an option)
4. His stranded soul fragment flees to Albania
@please respect the roses she also said that cursed child is canon and that hermione isnt white so...
@please respect the roses fair enough
Your Dumbledore voice gives me life
Winnie Ye u should look up Potter puppet pals
I wonder if the sword would absorb the elder wand if they came into contact. I always thought sword wands should be a thing.
Kind of cool, but I think that Hagrid's umbrella wand is more practical.
J: all in the order are gryffindors.
Me: tonks and Snape aren’t!
Snape was not in the first order and neither was tonks
J listed people from Gryffindor who were in the Order and said, "All were in the Order and all were in Gryffindor!" (or something to that effect.) I don't think he was saying that every member in the entire Order was from Gryffindor, only that everyone whose names he had just listed were.
@@SapphireAbbott1987 Bellatrix I thought Molly killed you
It would have been really hard to destroy the sword of gryffindor because it absorbs what makes it stronger, as seen in the chamber of secrets where it absorbs the basilisks toxic blood or venom. This venom is able to destroy horcruxes as Hermione explains in Deathly hallows. So if you tried to destroy the sword of gryffindor with a basilisk's tooth, it would just have no effect at all because the sword would just absorb the venom as it has before in the chamber of secrets when Harry kills the basilisk.
At least that's how I understand it and Hermione explained it in Deathly Hallows.
Would the soul even be absorbed by the sword? Mortality wouldn't really help make a sword stronger. Also if it was Horcrux'd, Harry killing the Basilisk would cause the Horcrux in the sword to be destroyed due to the Basilisk Venom.
@@johnlucas2838 good point but idk if it is possible to destroy the horcrux in an object without destroying the object itself. This could however work as you described when the sword absorbs the venom which destroys the horcrux within. However I do think that it would be possible to bind a piece of ones soul to the sword eventhough it only absorbs what makes it stronger, because as far as I'm concerned objects that become horcruxes don't exactly absorb the soulpiece but rather get bound to it.
So you're saying the bound enchantment of the Horcrux would be fighting against the absorbing enchantment of the sword. Because the way I see it would be they would come into conflict. The sword that was enchanted to take in that which made it stronger while the horcrux doesn't make the sword stronger. It would seem.... parasitic in a sense.
@@johnlucas2838 it definetely would come in to conflict but I'm not sure how it would actually end up being and how the horcrux could be destroyed.
Voldemort would have become truly immortal.
J: He never managed to find something from Gryffindor.
me: Harry Potter's a Gryffindor!
Voldemort omg sameeee
Voldemort I got your nose!
a main gryffondor artifact, students dont count. the sorting hat would.
It had to be something from the founder Godric Gryffindor
Gryffindor's cape broach?
A piece of my soul would make the sword way stronger! Have you seen how powerful the diary became?
Bruh weakling
Darling is bad for your soul. Sorry to say this 🥺
I loved that the sword of Gryffindor had the power to absorb things that would make it stronger, and the first thing we know it does is take the venom from Slytherins protector. it always made me think like it was uniting the strengths of the houses under Hogwarts. wonder if its future name will be the sword of Hogwarts, once it gains something from the other two.
Unfortunately not from the Diadem though. Although, if it did destroy the Diadem as well....would you re-name the sword or re-name the school?
@@maryjoyspohrer256 the sword.
1:45 Hey a crown! Is that a peasant? avdvahavrada
Boom hocrux
“avdvahvrada”
Lol so true
I never understood why people write down exactly what happens in the video....
Horcruxes are easy
In the video he doesn't say it properly at all.
I believe that was the inspiration.
"YourBestRen" was just quoting the video, Gavin.
why would Voldemort want a horcrux that can just appear in some of voldemort’s enemies possessions?
Exactly! It would be pretty impossible to protect this horcrux
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But let’s be honest, firstly they wouldn’t even know it’s a hocrux unless they somehow do know and the sword is such an important historical artefact especially for gryfindoors that it would be quite upsetting to destroy plus the sword destroys hocroxes so the only way to destroy it is a basilisk fang but tbh not many people know about the chamber of secrets lol
Pippin's logic here ! "The closer to the danger we are, the safer we are ! Because they will not expect us !" (or something close to that :P)
But basically: why would anybody suppose that he used something like that ?
I still don't think that it was his goal since it seems a bit too random (since the sword can move at will and it's usually in Gryffindor, and not lost) and complicated to do, but I like the theory of him trying something that daring. He's Voldemort after all. He believed he could do anything, and nobody or nothing could resist him.
The sword can't be destroyed, "It only takes in that which makes it stronger
You still haven't established when Pettigrew became secret keeper, he could have been sad because Voldemort was torturing him. Voldemort could have received the Potter's location much closer to when he killed them.
Also, the sword has never merely presented itself to someone worthy, the pond was Snape's doing and all other instances it came out of the sorting hat.
The only times we've seen it present itself to anyone has been through the Sorting Hat, but there are clearly multiple cases of it appearing throughout wizarding history, & in those cases, all we're told is that it will present itself to any worthy Gryffindor, not that the hat necessarily has to be there, too. Snape only put the sword in the pond because Dumbledore said Harry had to claim it under circumstances of extraordinary bravery, so if the hat were necessary for that, he would've had Snape bring Harry the hat, rather than the sword itself. Also, it'd just be fairly poor design if the only way you could get Gryffindor's sword was if you happened to have the Sorting Hat handy 'cos A.) you're far more likely to find yourself in need of a sword & demonstrating remarkable bravery in a situation outside of school, & B.) even if you do find yourself in that situation at school, you still probably won't have the Sorting Hat nearby as that's kept in the headmaster's office.
Unless you can somehow change who the Fidelius Charm's secret keeper is (might be possible, but the wording in the books seems to imply that Sirius convinced them to use Peter right from the start of the Charm's effect), Peter would have been the secret keeper and thus known whwre they were hiding right when they went into hiding.
Fudge mentioned earlier in the book, when he was out drinking with Hagrid, Flitwick, McGonagall, that "barely a week after the Fidelius Charm had been performed --". I'm thinking all those in the Order were hiding already. And Voldemort would have to wait to see who was pregnant, for the prophecy was made before Lily was pregnant. That messes up the theories of the SuperCarlinBrothers on the timeline.
@@Groundlord could you possibly layer it and have 2 locks.
Whenever I watch these videos I can't help thinking how long it must have taken to set up all those Pixar balls in the background and get them to not fall
To add to this, what if the sword not only wouldn't take the soul piece but aided in Harry's protection by halting/redirecting the killing curse and deflected (intentionally or not) the piece of voldys soul into Harry making him the unintentional horcux, just think about it. Mind blown. If it wouldn't take the soul piece, the piece may have gone to the closest thing, Harry.
Raine250 love it.
Raine250 are you saiyng that the Sword of Griffindor appeared and protected Harry in that night?
Excellent idea!
yes omg that makes so much sense!!
sorry but no
it would go directly against the story if that were too happen
I quite like this theory. While I doubt the sword would have simply allowed Voldemort to hold onto it instead of just disappearing, Voldemort may have had some spell to counteract this effect. Other than that, I see next to no problems here, so good video!
As for whether or not the sword would accept Voldemort's soul, Horrcruxes are nearly indestructible so I think the sword may very well have accepted it as that would make it stronger, had Voldemort gotten the chance to make the sword a Horrcrux of course.
Also, I think Voldemort chose the sword for an extra reason. The sword is a powerful weapon and only presents itself to worthy Gryffindors. Imagine if some Gryffindor hero, the last one resisting Voldemort's regime, was fighting bravely in a battle and was able to summon the sword. However, the sword immediately turns on the hero, because it is possessed and controlled by a piece of Voldemort's soul. Such an insidious weapon would be a perfect way for Voldemort to combat his enemies, and if he could bend the enchantment to his will like how he can control other Horrcruxes, he could use it to track down all the most dangerous Griffindors.
That's just wild speculation, but great video regardless!
This comment wasn't all that long, but I suppose you can have a cookie anyway! See you around peeps!
And when Voldemort was thrown from his body, the spell keeping the sword from leaving was broken.
If the sword only appears to worthy Gryffindors, I think it also has something that would make it reject being made into a horcrux. Or it might just be the destructive quality of the sword that would destroy Voldemort's soul and fail the horcrux spell.
Nate TSO Nice minitheory, could be, I like it!
The sword only supposedly appears to worthy Gryffindors because it was commissioned by Godric Gryffindor; it was, however, Goblin-made and people need to keep that it mind. It's not a sword of righteousness; it's just enchanted to appear for worthy Gryffindor's a.k.a. the brave, the bold, the chivalrous. The only limitation it has is that it only takes in that which makes it stronger, and as Horcruxes are incredibly difficult to destroy, it would have become a Horcrux had Riddle succeeded in killing Harry.
Maki Horcruxes are not specifically Slytherin related and a very dark field of Magic of the kinds that I don't think Godric would've had any reason to specifically counter act that with his enchantment. As for the destructive quality; it's not the sword but the basilisk venom which destroys the horcruxes. But I think that gives another question: Would have kiling the basilisk with the sword destroyed the horcrux in the sword itself and would the sword itself survive the killing of the contained horcrux? Would the sword not appear when the needing fights something that could destroy the swords horcrux?
Considering Griphook wasn't able to hold onto the sword, I don't think Voldemort could have, either.
And, no, I don't think Voldemort would have counted as a virtue the sword would have absorbed. Voldemort didn't have a virtuous bone in his body.
Interesting the result the love potion had on Merope's baby when she tricked Tom Riddle Sr. into giving her a pregnancy.
It would be pretty epic if the same sword that failed to save Fabian and Gideon rescued Ginny from the basilisk.
Though this theory is good I think I found the real reason voldemort took so long to kill the potters: Peter became the secret keeper and sent a massage to voldemort (maybe by owl?) who was pretty far away at the time getting the sword. He was like "oh shoot" and went wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooosh flying to the potters house. By the time he got there it had already been a few months.
Or Voldemort is a massive drama queen, considering he held his resurrection at the end of the Triwizard Tournament when he could have just had Barty Jr kidnap him while at Hogwarts, such as when he caught Harry, Krum, and Barty Senior on the edge of the Forbidden Forest. I get the feeling that self-propelled flight was something he perfected during OotP or HBP, since during the former he was keeping a low profile, and in the latter his actions in the present aren't even mentioned after the summer ends; and during the Battle of the Seven Potters, everyone in the Order reacts like Voldemort being able to fly without any aid is something he didn't have before.
hahahha! voldemort is so dumb to use flying instead of apparating as a means of transportation. DUMB DUMB DUMB
Taylor Hinckley there are limits to how far you can aporate, in book seven it says that Voldemort had to fly till he was close enough to aporate
Isaac Leonard Yeah, so many people forget that in their haste to make fun of Voldemort
Taylor Hinckley Voldemort was very stressed at the time, so he probably really benefitted from that massage
Rowling should have written a book series dedicated solely to the life of Voldemort beginning at his birth or even just his start at the orphanage and at least up until the events of The Philosopher's Stone. The people want more Voldemort.
The only thing I consistently found myself wanting every time I read the books and watched the movies was more of Voldemort's story.
Even bigger question. Why didn’t Lily aparate out of Godric’s hollow with Harry and maybe even James, when Voldemort arrives.
Why wasn’t Lilly the secretkeeper of the fidelius charm? I mean nobody would find her...
One thing I’ve never understood is why James or Lily wasn’t the secret keeper, I mean, if they trusted Peter they probably still would still reveal their location to him, leading to the same outcome, but aren’t there other instances of people using themselves as their own secret keepers, and not needing to use someone else? This seems to be another instance of the continuity issues that appear so often in the books.
If potters were secret keeper peter would not be able to reveal their location sue to fidelius charm only allows secret keeper can only tell others about secret. If peter would have wanted to reveal secret to voldy he would have had to kill potters
There are obviously a lot of plot holes in Harry Potter, but it seems like being their own secret keeper would have left them easy targets every time they left their house. Also, it is impossible to disapparate in and out of houses, I think it was mentioned in Deathly Hallows that the trio couldn’t apparate in Grimmauld Place.
@@_noctua. they could still run 3 meters out of the house and then disapperate. I agree there are a heap of plot holes you can find with certain bits of magic. I think that is why JK crushed all the time turners the second she had the chance to in the department of mysteries because they caused too many problems.
bro i’ve never seen a video like this from you guys, for me is your all time great (and i’ve seen a lot of videos from you guys). i’ve learn so much you have no idea. and this theory comes is place with every aspect of it, it’s amazing.
But voldemort only wanted SIX horcruxes.
His goal was for his soul to be in seven pieces! One of those pieces being in his body.
He only had five when he killed Harry's parents, the sword was meant to be the sixth, he only decided to turn the snake into a horcruxe between the third and fourth books.
Nope. He literally uses the wording "to split the soul seven times". "Seven times" is NOT the same thing as "seven pieces", because you have to remember you're not counting from zero. You're counting from ONE, because the soul already exists. Each time you split the soul you are ADDING to the one that already existed. One plus seven is eight. He intended for seven horcruxes, plus the piece inside his body.
SLUGHORN is the one who uses the wording "seven pieces". But he's not the one creating them. The person who actually created the horcruxes SPECIFICALLY says "split the soul seven times". Eight pieces. Not seven.
@@LordofFullmetal
“Yes, sir,” said Riddle. “What I don’t understand, though - just out of curiosity - I mean, would one Horcrux be much use? Can you only split your soul once? Wouldn’t it be better, make you stronger, to have your soul in more pieces, I mean, for instance, isn’t seven the most powerfully magical number, wouldn’t seven - ?”
I can't find him ever saying "to split the soul seven times." Though Slughorn does interrupt him mid sentence, so it could go either way. Unless what you are referring to is not the memory Slughorn gives to Harry.
His goal was definitely to have 6 horcruxes. He wanted to split his soul into 7, meaning have 7 pieces, just as splitting something in half makes 2 pieces, not 3. He didn't know Harry was a horcrux so he made Nagini his "sixth" horcrux when he came back to life in order to have his perfect 7 pieces.
@@rebeccaschwartz5477 If he wanted seven why would he go to the potters to make a 7th. And if you don't believe that theory why would he make nagini a horcrux later on believing it to be the 7th or even 8th horcrux
Wasn't the sorting hat also Gryffindor's? Isn't that why the hat and sword are linked? Why isn't anyone worried the that Voldemort would want the hat? The hat himself says that that Gryffindor made him when the founders were trying to decide how sorting would work. Which is honestly just a whole other weird relationship. Like all other kids in the world "I wish my dog could talk" and then Godric Gryffindor "I wish my clothes could talk".
Yep. In Goblet of Fire the Sorting had mentions it. "Twas Gryffindor who found the way He whipped me off his head. The founders put some brains in me So I could choose instead."
@@LilyRose8959 yes.. it was gryffindors hat but all the founders made it together..
@@Dunkelelf3 Thank you!
Yes but the hat can talk, and sing. seems like a bad place for a horcrux.
Everyone knows about the hat’s existence while i don’t think knowledge of the sword is as widely known. It’d be like... stealing abe lincoln’s stovepipe hat rather than his vampire killing ax.
They were in hiding, but in the scene at the 3 broomsticks, I distinctly remember someone saying that it had been barely a week since the fidelius charm was performed when voldemort showed up, so I always assumed that they tried hiding in other ways first.
Voldemort: hey look a horcrux
Peasant: *sweats nervously*
5 Death Eaters versus The 2 Prewett's
That makes 7 people at the time where Voldemort's 7th planned Horcrux would show.
It's too perfect.
I really like this theory, but my only gripe is that Voldemort probably wouldn't have wanted an object from Gryffindor that was known for teleporting. All of his other horcruxes were hidden away from the world, so I think he would find the sword rather unreliable - but then again, we are talking about the same guy who had access to the chamber of secrets, a chamber only he could enter and yet he choose the room of requirement to store the diadem, so his judgement might not be the best.
Also, would it even have been possible to destroy the sword if it became a horcrux? The sword only takes in what will make it stronger and since it just absorbed the venom from the basilisk would one the fangs have been able to destroy it then? Maybe that would be why he would want to make it a horcrux then.
thomas jeppesen definitely bring up some great points. Although, Who knows how containing part of Voldemort’s soul would of affected the sword. It may have hindered how it would present itself.
I completely agree though, that even if it didn’t affect its ability to appear and disappear, The fact that there would be almost nothing that could destroy it would outweigh that disadvantage to him. Then there’s also the fact that I don’t think he would’ve wanted pass up the opportunity of corrupting an item from every house.
I feel like stabbing it with the Basilisk fang would have actually killed the Horcrux... but not the sword itself. I may be wrong, but I think I heard somewhere that it's possible to kill a Horcrux without destroying the object itself, depending on its properties.
The sword only takes in that would make it stronger... I think that turning it into a horcrux would probably make it weaker ...so... A rejected rebound horcrux.... And that's why Harry became a horcrux cause the sword rejected a piece of his (voldmorts) soul
I like the idea of the sword "deflecting" the horcrux spell onto Harry.
Also yeah, Voldy should have hidden the diadem in the chamber of secrets. Imagine the scene:
*Ravenclaw student* No one's seen it for centuries (shows a picture)
*Ginny* I've seen that!
*Everyone* What? Where?
*Ginny* In the chamber of Secrets
*Harry* That makes sense actually, considering Voldy is the heir of Slytherin.... Ok let's get to it...
An excellent thought. My thought was either that or the sword conveniently disappeared (do to there not being any Griffindor's present) during the creation of the horcrux so the piece of soul latched onto harry. Rebound would make more sense as that would explain Tom Riddles death and turning harry into a horcrux.
i think when dumbledore tells snape that the sword must be obtained with valor and courage confirms that the sword may not appear only with the sorting hat, but only under specific circumstances.
I just want to say, great job with the research I’m really fond of your work guys 👏🏽
Voldemort actually made a horcrux from some very well-preserved toilet paper that Gryffindor used.
Have to admire the research of SCB. The timeline analysis is so good. Great work
Ron: Happy halloween
Harry: I hate halloween
Why would voldemort makes a horcrux out of a constantly disappearing sword that falls easly in griffindor hands ?, does not make any sense.
I genuine think he is vain and arrogant enough to overlook that fact.
HAL 9000 very good point
On the other hand: If a horcrux is a constantly disappearing sword, that can only be found by very few people under the right circumstances, it's already pretty good hidden, isn't it?
What if harry turned out to be the horcrux from Gryffindor???(I know it was an accident that he became a horcrux from the movie stand point)
@@jimmonroe3123 I was thinking the exact same thing. In the end Voldemort DID make a Griffindor horcrux.
maybe voldemort shouldve used the sword to murder harry and saved himself a lot of trouble.
pebbles 72 lol 😂
😂😂😂😂but thats way too uncool for voldemort. Harry's death had to be epic
Ronald James Granger, yep that is very true! Voldermort wanted all the dramatics lol
pebbles 72 I think the protection given to harry by lilly was for all kinds of deaths but stabbing him would be too lame for teh Darkest Lord😂😂😂
That’s what I was saying lmao, like you could just kill him the muggle way, and it wouldn’t have backfired 😆
I seriously can't believe that all this, this entire world, timelines, events came from one mind. Would love to live in her mind for a day
The level of detail of investigation on these videos is amazing. Most of this would have never occurred to me.
That sword would make a fine addition to his collection
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Enrique Zazueta you’re shorter than I expected
If so powerful pun creator you are, why leave?
prequel meme on a harry potter video? you are a bold one....
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Your Dumbledore impression is now my Ringtone. Thanks!
JIC you haven't seen, I'm pretty sure it's a reference to Potter Puppet Pals... czcams.com/video/Y18LUMkVt2Y/video.html
Oh, didn't realise that, thanks for letting me know.
Niiiiiiice one! Solid research and reasoning. You're the best geek! 🤩
Voldemort: This is hallowe’en Everybody hears you scream
What if the sword presents its self to James while he was being attacked? Maybe Voldemort came up with this idea but it just took a while?
it didn't though
And Voldy wouldn't have left that much to chance!
doesnt the sword come out of the sorting hat? why would james or the death eaters have the sorting hat?
Going up against Voldemort without a wand, in my opinion, would certainly constitute a worthy Gryffindor.
I’m guessing maybe Voldemort looked for the sword for a while , but after a while he just said “well crap, I can’t find the sword. I guess I’ll just have to kill Harry and live with 6 horocruxes.” But then the sword appears to James as he tries to stop Voldemort and he says “oh hey! There’s the sword WHOOPIE!!!!!” (This comment was written for the funny dialogue which might not actually be funny).
3:01 I THOUGHT U SAID "DUMBLEDORE WAS RON", AND I WAS LIKE: seriously?
@@Someone-bg6qu oh, hi hun :)
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This is an incredibly well researched theory. One of my favorites.
I just discovered this channel, and I'm so happy I did. It hard to find good Harry Potter theory videos anymore. I absolutely love this theory. It explains so much. I wonder if the qualities of the sword could have had something to do with the spell failing as well? Maybe it wasnt just Lilys sacrifice
Great dumbledore voice.
Hats and Hedgehogs lol
But... isn't Voldemort's nose a horcuxes?!
No one found it.
Dawn Ory It explained got he caught between those magical trains
Oh.
Travis Shirley Amazing 😊
I think Voldemort's soul that has his nose is in Tom Riddle's Diary. Which was destroyed before he was revived. That's why he doesn't have a nose.
George Vincent Corneby I still think he should have made it a horcux.
You are taking these analysis to a whole new level
October 31 1981 eh.......
Voldemort: Trick-or-treat
James: Sorry we’re out of candy
Voldemort: Avada Kedavra!
Nice Potter puppet pals reference😃
What if Voldemort thought he had the sword, but it wasn’t the real sword? Remember when Bellatrix went crazy when she realized Harry and Hermione had the sword that was in her vault? That was a fake sword, a very well made copy, but not the original. Maybe that’s how she ended up with the sword in her vault to begin with. I might be wrong but I don’t remember there’s an actual explanation as to how she had the sword in her vault or is there one?
I always assumed that when Snape became Headmaster he commissioned the replica of the sword and gave it to Voldemort in place of the original, which he kept hidden since and not on display as it had been previously under Dumbledore. If I recall correctly, Lucius Malfoy would have seen the sword at the end of CoS, so the idea that Voldemort kept the fake since any moment prior wouldn't add up.
But what would’ve been the point of Snape giving the sword to Voldemort then? I don’t think Voldemort knew that the sword can be used to destroy the horcruxes.
It was explained in the books. Dumbledore told Snape to make a replica. Dumbledore knew Harry would need to original so it wouldn't do for something to happen to it. After Ginny, Neville, and I think Luna tried to steal it it was placed in Bellatrix's vault. The replica, that is. Bellatrix went crazy because Voldemort gave her Hufflepuff's cup to put in her vault, she didn't know what it was, of course, so naturally, the idea someone might have broken in and potentially taken the cup was enough to cause her to go spastic.
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Yeah I was thinking the same
They were actually in hiding for about a week becuz in prisoner of Azkaban when fudge is talking in the 3 broomsticks we says they were talking that they were only in hideing for about a week before being killed. On page 205 near the bottom “And then, barely a week after the Fidelius Charm had been performed - “
Hufflepuff’s Horcrux : Hufflepuff’s Cup
Ravenclaw’s Horcrux : Ravenclaw’s Diadem
Slytherin’s Horcrux : Slytherin’s Locket
Gryffindor’s Horcrux : Harry Potter
I think this counts as homework... I mean, theories are informative.
Braeden Donnelly Yep, thought exercise.
I says education so... sure
Braeden Donnelly --This is a serious holey one though, while Voldemort went to kill Harry, there’s no way I believe he thought HE’D get zapped by the rebound, which would mean the sword (if it was there) would’ve been there. Nope, I’m not buying this one.
He didn’t want to make seven Horcruxes - he wanted to split his soul into seven pieces.
“Can you only split the soul once? For instance, seven...”
“Merlin’s beard, Tom! Isn’t it bad enough to consider killing one person? To SPLIT THE SOUL into seven pieces...”
As in, the part of the soul still inside him, and then the six pieces of soul in the Horcruxes.
Thius very well may be my favourite Harry P theory you guys have made
It always troubled me that why Voldemort never sought the sword for making it a horcrux, since he turned rest three house artifacts into horcruxes. Thanks for answering it with your theory. You guys rock !!
how about a video on what Harry's fear would be if he hadn't seen a dementor before facing the boggart
probably voldemort.
@@quentindiaz9418 which form? Professor quil or Tom riddle...
Ketan Verma he did. On the train to hogwart when he first met Lupin
Jeffrey Chen what Ketan Verma meant was what would have happened if the dementors never showed up? What would harry’s bogart be?
If I remember correctly, it's mentioned in the book he would have seen Voldemort if it hadn't been for the dementors. In the book, Lupin stops him from meeting the Boggart because he fears this will happen (imagine the chaos that would ensue if the Boggart turned into Voldemort in front of the whole class).