The build up to Ruby's emotional collapse... | RWBY Volume 9 Discussion
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- Ruby has finally snapped and rewatching the previous episodes of Volume 9 shows the little signs of the impending mental breakdown. Subtle things that have slowly worn away at Ruby's patience...
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Honestly it kinda sounded like Blake was about to breakout one of Ruby's stockpiled protagonist speeches right before Ruby tells her to shut up, that really must of been the absoulte last thing Ruby would have wanted to hear at that moment
Right? Those speeches work when people express a lack of hope about an external situation. NOT when someone is telling you to your face that they need you to acknowledge their feelings and support them
Lets be honest, Ruby was angry at someone else throwing a speech
I hope Jaune realizes Ruby is following the same footsteps as Alyx. While Ruby has been depressed the whole volume, things started escalating after the Herbalist. Now, she’s lashing out at everyone. Jaune couldn’t save Alyx, but maybe he can save Ruby.
Completely agreed
@@silver_wolf02 I hope soo.
Maybe he'll realise that Alyx wasn't, in fact, this selfish monster he saw her as. Maybe he'll realise she was just a girl with a lot of problems
It's never too late.
By that retrospect, perhaps even Alyx was not that evil person he thought he was. Just a desperate girl who thought she had to do everything she can to get back home.
The true tragedy of this is how everyone is so used to Ruby having endless optimism that they don't notice how things effect her and accidentally force her to bottle everything up so she can continue to reassure them. It hurts even more when you remember Ruby is the youngest AND the leader. I've been waiting to see Ruby snap since volume 6 and I'm honestly excited to see where this goes.
Finally someone said this thank you Ruby deserved a lot better in the everafter and her friends know it but they never fully acknowledge it because they don’t know her so well now that her old self she’s been gone now that the death of Penny affected her
Let's also not forget that this all been happening in the course of three whole days of stress. Ironwood's betrayal, Penny crashing from the sky, seeing the truth about the Hound, Penny asking Ruby to kill her, Watching her sister falling to her 'Death', Falling to said 'Death', Finding out that Penny died, Losing Penny's sword, Talking with her inner demons, witness someone being killed, finding your best friend lived decades in the Ever After, flinching at seeing her weapon and not even hours after waking up is to force to fight which because of everything that happened has caused her not to fight, then when she was finally had the chance to talk about everything the PP destroy the dame and caused everyone to focus on that and not on her.
Yeah I don't blame her for her rant, honesty I was waiting for it.
Ruby Rose Trauma victory: 1
Ruby Rose Victories: to many to count right now.
Team WBY victory:0
Ruby's 3 days of Stress vs Jaune's 30 Years of Stress. And in that whole 3 days Team RWBY have been together while Jaune was alone. Yeah I don't think they compare. They both need help but Jaune is more apparent because he had no one to keep him stable other than a bunch of suicidal Paper people and the lovable Jackalope. And now those origami friends of his are dead.
@@NAJ_P_Jackson But also in that 30 years, Jaune found a way to cope with his trauma. Is it a healthy method? Definitely not, because he became obsessed. But at least it was something, whereas Ruby has had no time to find her actual coping method and had no time to let out everything. Every time she opens up her mouth in this Volume, mostly it's interrupted by a more pressing matter. I think the only time she opened up her mouth and wasn't interrupted was in The Crimson Keep, when she was playing the princes game, she seemed a little better than before, maybe that was her method of coping with that trauma. We don't know if it's a healthy method or not, because she hasn't done it enough times this volume to make a guess.
@makisonoda7925 What kind of weird twisted logic is this? Ruby just soloing huh? Nobody else experienced any traumatic events? I'd argue Ruby has experienced the least out of the 4 but its not really a good topic to try to compare.
@@doctornagalli3321 I think that's the issue, Jaune's emotional pain is more apparent while Ruby's pain is only slightly apparent.
I feel like there’s more to the reason of Juane snapping back the way he did. It wasn’t just because of what Ruby just said about the village he spent years protecting. I think that after he heard that “make believe family” line, his rage caused him to stop seeing Ruby.
His words may have been directed at Ruby, but I can almost guarantee that the person that was standing there in his eyes was Alyx. Because in that moment, Ruby was acting the exact same way as her, at least in his eyes. “Selfish. Cruel. Like the whole world was make believe and the rules didn’t apply to her.” She was being selfish in his eyes for daring to ask why no one seemed to notice or care about her feelings when everything that’s happened these past few days, the failure at the crossroads, leading to Juane having to perform the action that will forever haunt him, them ending up in the Ever After, and even before that, Ironwood’s betrayal, all of it happened because of Ruby. It was her lie that ultimately caused Ironwood to turn on everyone. It was her plan at the crossroads that didn’t work. In his eyes, everything that’s happening is about her.
She’s being cruel to her teammates, lashing out at them for daring to have their own problems rather than focusing on hers.
And as she herself said: She thinks this world is nothing but make believe. She believes that nothing that happens here matters at this point because none of it is real.
Juane almost 100% saw Alyx the second Ruby uttered those words about his make believe friends.
Rewatch the volume so far and I’m sure you’ll realize the trauma Ruby is dealing with when that situation happens
@@makisonoda7925 Oh no, I know that Ruby is dealing with a lot, if not more than Juane. I just thought that the idea of Juane’s anger being that of both Ruby for attacking the citizens of his village for no reason other than she could, and Alyx for everything she put him through, even going so far as to abandon him, giving him no one to direct that anger towards and forcing him to bottle it up for so long, was interesting, especially considering that as far as I know, I’m the only one that heard that “make believe friends” line and immediately thought that she was acting like Alyx and that was playing in to why Juane was so pressed with her: because the anger he fired back with was that of two people who thought the same way.
this makes so much sense and I haven’t heard this take be mentioned. great job!
She wasn't tho. Ruby was the first one to actually bond with someone from that world, Little, she helped them with their task while expecting nothing in return from it. She was also the one who actually saw Hawker (The Bird from episode 5) get killed and clearly felt guilty about it. And she actually felt bad for the Curious Cat when they ditched him to follow Jaune. If Jaune is seeing Alyx on her, that is his tormented mind projecting his issues on her.
The Paper Pleasers were very much real, the lost friends Jaune was pretending they were so he could actually save them, are just that, make-believe.
And is it really selfish to want her friends to actually see her issues and help her after having to put up with their issues first for over two years at this point?
@@makisonoda7925 Rewatch the last few episodes, and you would also realized the amount of trauma Jaune went through.
He was sent to the Ever After,alone, while still suffering from his own issues that might be on par with Ruby. Only, he has no one to look after or console with. Just alone, stewing in his own guilt and depression. What follows is at least a decade of repeated failures, constant reminders of his own unprocessed guilt and trauma.
Keeping the Paper Pleasers alive is supremely unhealthy, and against their wish, but it's the only thing keeping Jaune stable. It gives him a routine, something to do instead of contemplating his darker thoughts, while also easing the wounds of past failures.
And it all when up in smoke the day team RWBY arrived at the town. Not only does Ruby not helped, she mocked him. "...Are we supposed to mourn made believe family..." she said, as if it's not the only thing keeping her friend, an isolated, manic, depressive man going for about a decade.
Not to down play Ruby's issue, but giving a depressed person time to stew, alone and without any help, serves to only make things worse, not better. She have her own issues, fine, fair enough. But fuck her for making someone else's issues worse.
It’s very interesting how the Ever After reflects Ruby’s feelings. Not only the rain but in my opinion some of the other events. Like the dam breaking is similar to Ruby’s own emotions bursting out unstoppable and violently.
At the end of the episode, we saw Little going with Ruby, so I think Little will be the one to help Ruby in the next episode.
I have this gut feeling Little is supposed to symbolically represent Ruby’s hope, optimism etc. That maybe Little is secretly an agent of the light brother but I don’t want it to stretch it too far.
@@neofulcrum5013 I on the other hand, have a gut feeling that Little is also an "ascended" Penny. If her body fell into Ever After it's possible it's own laws of nature had the opposite effect on her body and revived her but her memories were altered. Her soul could have been still in the body and hadn't gone to the afterlife yet. She might have fallen into the tree itself and the tree subtly gave her a mission to help Ruby and get a second chance in life. Maybe she did regret having Jaune kill her after all and wanted to correct it and help her friends and thus the tree answered her call. Even in death she wants to help her friends.
Sure, it's Farfetched. But I wouldn't rule it out.
@@kidprime6863valid point. Almost anything can happen in a place where logic is void.
@@neofulcrum5013 Plus Penny's Maiden Sword could be tied to it as well.
I really hope so
Maybe all this stress and trauma will cause her semblance to evolve. Like with ren when his semblance evolved from high emotions.
Possibly, although we also have to keep the natures of their semblances in mind
Perhaps, but this is different. For Ren it was almost like his semblance was causing his struggles - and once it evolved he was mentally much better. That is not what's going on with Ruby. She's mentally struggling because she's accumulated far too much loss in far too short a time; not because something's going on with her semblance. Yes, perhaps her semblance does evolve - but unlike Ren, semblance evolution isn't going to solve her problems.
I didn't like how Ren acted in the last volume, my Zen boi became a Stress bou(too stress boi) 😟
@@jdoggivjc They may not solve her problems, but they may help her in the future.
@@jdoggivjcYeah, perhaps more of a representation of how she has changed will be reflected in her semblance.
Speaking of which, we really haven't seen blake use her semblance recently have we?
🎶You’re not the only one who needed me, I thought you understood 🎶
🎶You were the one I needed and you left me as I always feared you would🎶
Another example of someone close to her prioritizing something else over her feelings.
🎶There’s a point where it tips there’s a point where it breaks there a point where it bends and there’s a point we just can’t take anymore🎶
Man this song has a whole new outlook
@@neofulcrum5013 I’m not a musicals person but I’ve always loved how the soundtrack has supplemented RWBY’s storytelling.
Ruby has been wearing a mask for the entire series until now. She has always been broken. This just broke the outward illusion of who she appeared to be to the world at large. “Red like Roses “ paints a very different image of the actuality of who Ruby Rose really is, a broken child who forced herself to become like someone else regardless of the pressure it put on her.
Now the damn broke. Hope Ruby turns out to be more of an anti-hero like Red Hood from the Batman series than how she was up until volume 8.
@@neofulcrum5013
And to consider that theme song was seven sessions before this incident. The foreshadowing is kinda scary when you consider that bit of information in the music.
🎶you don't need me anymore, No you don't see me anymore🎶
From trapdoor the song that plays during this episode
I feel because Ruby grabbed Crescent Rose as she ran, she may be going to find Neo to face her, because of what Jaune said.
Either that or the blacksmith to change Crescent Rose. Wouldn't surprise me if a confrontation happened along the way too
@@BethyleeI was just thinking how poetic it would be if she started using her mother’s weapon to fight salem
@@neofulcrum5013 That would be poetic indeed
She be suicidal i said
@stone sky sunrise, I don't think she will start using her mom's weapon only because it's somewhat different and would require Ruby to change her fighting style. I am thinking though that much like Jaune, parts of Summer's weapon will get incorporated into Ruby's own Crescent Rose. Just my opinion, sorry if that was rude
Ruby and Jaune's breakdowns were a long time coming tbh. They both have gone through so much trauma and have been too busy being the leaders to focus on themselves.
Not to mention that Jaune has been struggling with his survivor’s guilt, it’s only natural that he’d be desperate for something he can actually do right
19:46 You think this is bad? Imagine how she's going to feel after Jaune finally reveals that he killed Penny.
Pretty sure she figured it out as Juane was breaking down and talking about having to live with it forever. Like she did with what happened to her mom.
@@lowellhouser7731
I think she only knew that Penny was gone, but I don’t think she was told that it was Jaune.
I actually think Jaune may have Unintentionally Admitted it during his outburst towards Ruby
Not that I don’t want her to know, but at this point I’m not sure it matters. Her reaction that penny died seems to have been enough for her to lose hope.
The truth of panny is going to be the worst thing to over come by the end of volume 9. I thought it would be mentioned but it was only weiss who get the little stuff Jaune said but the rest don't get it since it's extremely Paradan that the full story isn't completely explained, otherwise why isn't being talked about?
I believe that Ruby’s lashing out wasn’t merely an uncontrolled burst of emotion. I think she’d convinced herself during the preceding fight that her team doesn’t need her anymore, that she’s actively impeding them, and that they should just start hating her so that leaving her behind won’t hurt them as much. I believe the lyrics of ‘Trapdoor’, which plays during the Jabberwalker fight, supports this.
Ruby’s friends have not been able to recognize her emotional problems, but this is partly self-inflicted. I’ve been convinced for most of the series that Ruby ties her self-worth to her ability to help/protect others, and she sees no value in herself otherwise. She bottles up her problems because letting them show would cause others to worry about her, and she hasn’t believed herself to be worthy of that. This is what has gotten her through the rest of the series, as long as there’s someone in front of her that she can help she is able to push down her feelings and maintain a façade. That “What about me!?” was incredibly sad for me, because to me it felt like Ruby was just making a half-asses attempt to earn her friends’ ire without recognizing for herself that it is a valid complaint to have in this situation, and prior to this point she has been sparing herself of any thought. Her friends haven’t been caring for her the way they should be, but I have a hard time being angry with them when Ruby wasn’t caring for herself and was actively hiding her pain from them.
They should have recognized that something is wrong, but I’ve seen a situation like this play out in real life, and that makes it so extremely difficult for me to place blame on anyone in this situation.
The way WBY reacts to Ruby snapping at them is interesting to think about.
Yang reacting so protective and a bit upset makes me think she's seeing her little sister, a child throwing a tantrum for something silly.
Blake holds herself and retreats, maybe seeing a reminder of Adam or even her parents for something she did as a white Fang. Afraid of Ruby's anger even if she didn't understand completely why Ruby was angry.
Weiss retreats too but more like surprise and strong shock. Maybe like if Winter, Whitley or her parents have done the same in unexpected times too.
Jaune and Ruby share the need to blame someone, anything to feel better.
I'm really glad Little is able to see the struggle. Hopefully they don't fall asleep at the wrong time
I was extremly dissapointed in Yang's reaction, she should know better.
@@PrincessLockettesame like girl your sis FAINTED a few episodes ago 😑😑😑
@@msk-qp6fn And is showing clear obvious signs of PTSD, of your gonna take her word when she says shes fine as this shit happens. . . Its like being silent when you know someone is planning to commit suicide.
@@HUNKMrDeath-lt7kqThis is well said!
@@msk-qp6fnThis should’ve been addressed and not only that Yang should’ve noticed that Ruby was losing it for the sake of her so called sister and friends when she was willing to give away her moms Summer crescent rose for the parfait that made the others bigger again
i just noticed something (I keep rewatching her breakdown) so when ruby says “im sorry is this a bad time?(mocking way) are we supposed to be mourning jaune’s make believe friends” she rolls her eyes. (Might be thinking to into it) she’s annoyed cause when she found out penny died, she passed out just to wake up to them talking about neo then skipping to wanting to get yang’s arm n ruby’s weapon, they didn’t give her time to mourn her death but she’s witnessing them letting him mourn. Whenever others are going thru something, it’s always “let’s stop and help them” but whenever ruby is going thru something it’s always “let’s focus on that later, we got other things to worry about” which never happens.
Yep. I noticed that too. Only Weiss actually tried to say something, while Blake and Yang were practically flirting in front of them. Adding to that, the fact that her emotional points kept being delayed by "focus on getting home" having Blake and Yang get to clear up their feeling in the storm and then them all consoling Jaune definitely sparked that annoyance she felt
Not everyone knew Penny like Ruby did, for them Penny was a "make believe friend" she wasnt a real person. Ruby making fun of Jaunes friends who he had for years while she had a similar friend for only a few days tops is just cruel.
@@irmiwolf dude everyone knew penny but not everyone was a bestfriend to her like ruby was so you’re wrong. you’re comparing paperstars deaths from a story that has a 50% chance of coming back to a person in the real world who died twice and is dead permanently???? it was definitely wrong for ruby to have said that but it’s true, those paperstars aren’t real people. They’re make believe characters in a story
@@samphadhavihara4035 penny had her own soul…..that’s why she was able to have the maiden power and made into a human body finally, you’re comparing make believe characters in a story to a person in the real world do you know how slow you look ????
@@Lucas.lostglove "is dead permanently" really? What is stopping Petro to rebuild her AGAIN, or people from using the Relic of Creation to remake her AGAIN? What is a real person to you tho? Cause 1st edition Penny would not be a real person either if you want to be like that, she had an artificial body, most likely an artificial personality and used someone elses Soul. Also just because there are only two options after their death (being dead and being reborn) does not mean that both are equally likely. Jaune spent possibly years protecting the Paper Pleasers and bonded with them. Would you call someones pets make belief friends too, just because they aren't real people or would you go off on someone making fun of your mourning your pets death?
I firmly believe that Ruby didn’t mean what she said about Jaune’s “make-believe friends”. As it’s been pointed out, Ruby’s been under so much stress and pressure because of everything that happened in their fight with Salem and what she believed happened to her mother Summer Rose.
One thing I want to point out about the “make-believe friends” comment. Ruby obviously went too far and clearly didn't mean that because she was having a meltdown. The Paper Pleasers were Jaune's friends for all these years he was traped and were living beings. When Jaune was left for dead, the PP helped him to get back on his feet and Jaune was capable of protecting them, and the reason why he didn't wanted them to ascend is because he would end up alone again with the reminder that he cannot save anyone. So yes, what Ruby said was awful, however, I kinda understand where she is coming from. Ruby was very pissed at Weiss, Blake and Yang for allowing/helping Jaune to mourn the PP, beings who they only knew for a couple of minutes, whereas Ruby barely had any chance to mourn Penny, the girl who team RWBY knew for a while and someone who's very important to her.
Ruby’s motive to be a huntress was to follow her Mother’s footsteps and to be a hero like those in Fairy Tales…
Now she learn that her Mother’s footstep is practically leading her to her death, and her life is nothing like a Fairy Tale. And as a spit to the face, Yang and Blake has their happy fairytale-like romance while Ruby is suffering from bottling up her feeling.
@@pslayer8943 oh wow! I didn’t make the connection with how ruby felt like she didn’t get time to mourn penny but was in a way expected to do so for ppl she rlly didn’t even know. Great observation 👍🏻
@@pslayer8943
Ruby couldn't mourn for Penny because she is the leader and isn’t allowed to be a failure since it’s not about her anymore. She has to put her teammate first and herself second…
That is what she told Jaune in Volume 1… and that very saying is still eating away at her… her teammate is always first and her second never comes
Of course she didn’t mean it. She’s hurting but she’s not a monster.
Honestly they are really lucky that Ruby snapped here because if she and Jaune had done that back on Remnant they'd have attracted Grimm. I'm getting the impression that's why Huntsmen and Huntresses are so messed up: actually letting out your problems brings Grimm, so they keep it all inside until they finally explode and then get devoured.
Ya, Ruby's Trauma alone might have attracted a murder of Nevermores.
I want to point out that when in the clearing with penny's sword when it starts raining and the guards come upon them. you can clearly hear one of them say out loud. "Over here. someone is Sad." almost like the ever after was nudging Wiess Yang and Blake to notice. also the lyrics for the song in the background literally has the words "you don't need me anymore. you don't see me anymore." so... yeah she was thinking pretty bad thoughts.
Poor Ruby. She feels so alone and her closest allies and friends brush it aside like its not a priority for them. That SHE isn’t a priority for them. Even her older sister brushes her aside for her brand new girlfriend of all things.
Yeah.
“You don’t need me anymore. Don’t want me anymore. I am truly alone and afraid for myself.”
-Ruby Rose 🌹
If it was simply raining when she's sad then, imagine the torrential downpour possibly happening around her now.
@@acecard1413 yeah I feel for her. I have been in that state myself. all you see is the walls closing in. all the good slips away and your stuck in the fight or flight response. I just hope they can find her before she does something stupid.
@@acecard1413 I can see the closer they are to finding rwby, the more they see thunder and lighting, wind, torrential downpours, the works
While there still little information about Summer Rose, I feel like Ruby is walking a down a similar path. As leaders of their team and as silver eyed warriors they feel as though they carry the most responsibility to stop Salem. Perhaps it was this burden that drove Summer rose to face Salem alone. Now Ruby is at her lowest and it's these next few episodes when we'll find out that whether she will also feel the need to fight alone for the sake of keeping her friends safe or really dig deep to overcome her trauma and fight side by side with her team once again.
Ruby has a lot of doubts thinking about her failures, and now… now it's getting worse. So bad, she probably DOESN'T wanna to leave Ever After.
She is a leader and isn’t allow to be a failure, since it’s not about her anymore. She has to put her teammate first, and herself second…
That is what she told Jaune in Volume 1… and that very saying is eating away at her.
@@Zack_Zander also, what Ruby is going through right now is also reflects the Volume 2 opening crazy enough.
“There’s a point where it tips. There’s a point where it breaks. There’s a point where it bends. And a point we just can’t take, anymore.”
@@regulusking4299
I love callbacks, but these are just painful...
She is definitely at that final point...
I have some thoughts on this actually, I think Ruby has subconsciously not wanted to go back all this time and it's effecting Ever After as a result. How strongly and if it's just her is the big question but after seeing this recap I think I might not be far off. And now watch as episode 9 comes and I'm way off the mark hehe.
And maybe she might ascend because of that
I honestly believe that Ruby is going to go looking for Neo in the next episode. And before you all say that's too dark for this show, this is the same show that made killing Penny an official Arkos thing.
There's a bunch of ways this can go but that one seems like one of the most likely.
Why would ruby looking for neo be dark? What does that even mean?
@@CH-hn2rj Neo wants to kill Ruby. Ruby is in an absolutely terrible mental state right now. In that mental state, she might decide that since everything is her fault and that she doesn't want to fight anymore, she may as well end it all, especially if it's in a manner that gets Neo off everyone else's backs. Quite literally suicide by Neo.
@@josephcola9662 In my opinion, this show isn't "mature" enough to do something like that. Killing Penny is nothing compared to suicide. I also don't think the writers have the balls to kill off a character that the show is partially named after.
@@CH-hn2rj I don't think they're going to actually kill off Ruby, but I do think she's gonna go looking for Neo.
I am kinda worried that ruby will only really get the one episode to deal with her trauma just because, there isn't much time left in the volume probably 60 mins of animation max which could make it feel very rushed.
There may even be a chance that her trauma might not even be resolve.
If anything, the possibility that Neo is going to get her revenge and Ruby is possibly going to “ascend” is likely…
The show is mainly about Ruby so I'm thinking the rest of the Volume is going to be getting over her trauma
@@Zack_Zander heck no that makes me hate neo even more.
It all depends on what they focus on and the execution, however I don't think this get's solved in one episode. What I do think will happen is Little will somehow calm her down enough to start resolving it. Take the first step but not fix it completely yet.
@Zack Zander Sorry. I have been out of the loop for a while. What does it mean when a Rwby character "ascends?"
Ruby and Neo need to be trapped in their own Punderstorm.
I feel like that's a "Two girls enter, one girl leaves" scenario tbh
Hey, in the opening song for this season, isn't there a part where Ruby is on the same kind of bridge that Blake and Yang were on? It's the part where she turns around and looks a bit...too happy given the situation. Maybe the two of them do end up in one of those storms.
ruby already was
I feel like this video is the epitome of what I was trying to say yesterday - that while Ruby was claiming she was fine and was pushing off help by prioritizing everyone else over herself, her words and actions that were completely out of character were SCREAMING for help - and WBY chose not to listen to her. Hell, as said in other comments here, even Ever After has heard Ruby's screams for help (the rainstorms, the toy soldiers who recognized the storm ("someone's sad"), the Blacksmith, Clever Cat (especially after she gave up her sigil)) - but WBY has decided to take Ruby at her word that she's okay when everything around them has been trying to tell them that she's not... and then they looked stunned when she snapped. I didn't even realize that Blake was the most guilty of this, but as pointed out in this video Blake has been the most guilty of not only hearing her cry for help, but completely disregarding her feelings.
why would they listen Ruby has spend a lot of time blowing off any attempts to help.
@@milferdjones2573 have you ever heard of an "intervention"? Those happen when someone is headed down a destructive path and their friends decide to do something about it - regardless if that person insists that their fine. The point is they should have known something was wrong even if Ruby was denying it. Hell - this video pointed out that Blake was so busy deprioritizing Ruby's feelings she had no time to see something was actually wrong. And as I've already pointed out, various elements in Ever After were well aware that Ruby wasn't okay - and yet those closest to her just took her word for it that she was.
The thing is WBY all noticed something was off with ruby but every time they tried to ask about it or try to help, something happened that got in the way. There is also the unfortunate truth that throughout the whole series ruby has never let herself be vulnerable and always helped when members of her team and jnpr were struggling, also ruby is deeply depressed isn't ready to talk and doesn't know how to express her feelings.
@@milferdjones2573 😑😑😑😑
The fact that she's always been the upbeat one means they never learned to help her, they assumed she would bounce back so it doesn't feel like a priority to make her talk about herself. Kinda like how Pyrrha was, everyone saw her skill but didn't see her as human. They took for granted that Ruby could handle everything so they weren't watching when that changed. And remember Ruby's age, she was 15 when the series started and is now 17. How good were you at asking for help at that age?
I really hope we see a morally gray, pissed off Ruby for a few episodes. Sort of a combo of the skill we see in the Red Trailer, mixed with the bloodlusted state of mind of current Ruby. Not only do I think it would make for great viewing, but it would also show 1 of 2 things, just how much Ruby has been holding back (emotional and thus physical reactions; fear), and to her teammates, just how truly 'not okay' she really is. It would be awesome to see a bloodlusted ruby just scythe dancing between Jabberwalker clones like fodder; maybe even scaring Neo, that this isn't the same girl that she thinks killed torchwick. In many ways, I think we HAVE to see Ruby act differently for a bit. She broke/snapped this episode. If there's no continuation from that, then it's just an empty lash out.
A Ruby who doesn’t hold back. Once whose fighting style is based on pure rage and hatred. Yeah I wanna see that
That would have been an awesome transition to what actually happened
@@blakerichey2425 you mean her basically committing suicide? Because that's what happened
There's a quote from Legend of Korra that I think applies to both Ruby and Jaune right now. "When we are at our lowest point, we are open to the greatest change". This applies to both of them. I think Jaune and Ruby were both right about some things they said and completely out of line for others. Seeing these two at odds brings back that scene in Volume 4 where Jaune was comforting Ruby. Now, they yell at each other. They were the best of friends and now they may have lost that.
There is no way everything can be covered in 3 more episodes. I think the first few of next season will cover the rest. I just hope Ruby and Jaune have made up by then. (And Jaune returns to his younger body)
One of the things that struck me with the make-believe-friends line is that from some perspectives, she’s actually right.
While the Paper Pleasers are certainly real beings, I don’t feel that they are actually Jaune’s friends. Jaune is projecting his ideas of what the rest of the cast are like onto the Papers. Paper Ruby is always helping out, Paper Pyrrha needs help with homework, never having made it out of school, etc.
Jaune is literally pretending the Paper Pleasers are his friends, he’s playing make believe.
Depends on how you'd define "real beings". They obviously try the same thing every day even at the same time, just adding more actions over time.
That's much like if I'd build a robot and let it run with ChatGPT. Well, that might even be more of a "real being" then those afterians.
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Jaune even said that he was alone the whole time. So they can't be that much of "living beings". He also said "I'm not crazy", suggesting that even he questions himself being crazy or not.
Thank you! Glad I'm not the only one that interpreted her comment like that. Obviously their loss hurt Jaune but I don't think Ruby ever considered them to be not real, just his perception of them.
One thing i wonder:
What was Jaune's plan when he would find a way back to Remnent?
Would he leave the Paper Pleasers or would he stay in the Ever After?
It really seems like he really protected them because he needed something to protect rather than the Paper Pleasers needing him.
You can be right, but also be an unforgivable asshole.
Regardless of what is 'real' or not, protecting the Paper Pleasers was Jaune's life, his act or redemption, for, perhaps, longer than than team RWBY has been alive. To call them 'make believe friends' seconds after their 'death' is so patronizing and hurtful to Jaune, it's no wonder he exploded.
The 15 year old dog you've had since he was a puppy just died and your friend sarcastically dismissed him as 'just a pet' while bitching about how he hates his job. You'd break a 2x4 over that person's head.
Who else thinks the Blacksmith will appear next episode, they seem to be a very wise individual, and I support the theory that the Blacksmith is a physical manifestation of the Tree’s will. I really hope Ruby will recover and apologize to her friends.
They need to apologize to her too. Preferably first.
@@cyrus9424 I agree but what about the Blacksmith appearing next episode?
@@rileyduncan3927 It'll happen assuming she doesn't run into Neo and a Punderstorm first.
@@cyrus9424 I highly doubt we’ll have another Punderstorm scene, But what about the Blacksmiths question to Ruby in the Volume 9 trailer, what if you could leave Ruby Rose behind, what does it mean?
@@rileyduncan3927 that quote might come into play either next episode or the last episode
Ruby Rose, MAY have dropped the ball on Jaune and her teammates…
But Jaune Arc DID drop the bomb on Ruby for everything else she blamed herself for, which drove her away
What Ruby said to him was a low blow but what he said to her was the lowest of blows.
I had to go back and remember that episode when Jaune was man-handling Oscar. Everyone was yelling at Jaune but he didn't stop until he heard Ruby tell him to stop.
Ruby lashing out at bumblb hits close to home it is incredibly relatable because when you are depressed you start to unintentionally resent those close to you when they are happy.
Also doesn't Help that Yang hasn't exactly been a great sister this volume
Ruby needs to go back and see the blacksmith. So far, the blacksmith has been the only one other than Little that has acknowledged Ruby's feelings.
I’m going out on a limb here and say that JWBY will have to save not only Ruby, but also Neo from themselves and their downward spiral. Small theory, but it is very likely from the looks of it.
Not quite, WBY will have to help both Jaune and Ruby, and I am also incredibly concerned about Weiss she just saw her home destroyed and has no idea if winter, willow and Whitley survived that is weighing on her mind just as much as penny is on jaunes and summer is on ruby's keep an eye on her as well
@@sortascouseace Yang and Blake should apologize to Ruby and Jaune. Ruby was showing clear as day signs of PTSD, something that if ignored leads to suicide or violence. All Yang ever did was ask if Ruby was okay, thats the exact same damn thing as staying silent when you know someones about to kill themselves, it doesn’t help prevent the worse outcome because you won’t get the REAL answer.
It's even hurting that Ruby didn't refute Jaune's harsh words, because she knows he is right and hearing from her best friend was low blow. And the symbolism of Crescent Rose shattering may lead us to believe that Ruby will go to the tree to become Alyx or go to the Blacksmith to have a new weapon and finally be free from that heavy burden.
This may sound like a wish list from my part, but I hope that even after leaving the Ever After, this may teach RWBY to be a team again, along with Jaune.
Look she is keeping crescent rose and she is going to get back on her feet okay and apologize to wiss Blake yang and jaune
@@elijahpage7687 I’m with the theory that she does keep crescent rose but adds elements to it from pennys sword like jaune did with Pyrrha
I see her becoming Summer she has no reason to want to be Alyx.
@@milferdjones2573 I see no reason why would she want to be Summer either. You can tell by the OP how foreshadows the connection between Alyx and Ruby.
@@mariapazgonzalezlesme Also in that seen in the Blacksmith, wasn't her reflection in the Dagger Alyx's
15:49 This was said because because Penny died, but no one mourned her. No one thought to comfort Ruby with that lose. yet with Jaune, they rushed to him without a second thought. While it came accross mean, it was valid.
At this point I just want her to go Rogue, WBY don't deserve her at all
Tbh I think Ruby and Jaune wwere the only ones that actually cared for her. WBY kinda like don't seem to give a shit except themselfs. I can understand Weiss but it seems like for like 5 seasons now Yang and Blake only care about each other and nothing else.
Ruby set them up to ignore her. Ruby been little miss sunshine and brushed off any care about her feelings way to long. Ruby has been the leader
@@SyLuX636 And that is why I say they are not even characters anymore. Everything that made Yang and Blake interesting and compelling was thrown away for a goddamn ship. Does anybody else remember that Yang and Ruby are sisters? Pepperridge farm remembers. And it really says a lot about what RT has done to Yang considering the speech she gave to Raven about her #1 priority will always be Ruby. Where is that priority now? Oh right swept aside for the more pressing issue of confirming a forced ship. Lord give me strength and may Ruby tear into the whole group more. She needs this. Also WBY was like we need to help Jaune while at the same time talking mad shit about him behind his back.
@@Killjoy695 The ship on its own isn’t bad, but CRWBY has put more effort into developing the relationship rather than developing the characters, which resulted in butchering them. Blake and Yang’s relationship could have helped serve the plot and drive it forward, but CRWBY failed to do that, which is why the ship feels so forced. It doesn’t have any real story relevance because they didn’t implement it in a way that allowed it to work WITH the plot, and instead created a subplot that could have been cut without affecting the overall story that much. If Bumblebee was written to develop Blake and Yang as individuals instead of JUST as a couple, it might have allowed them to grow with the rest of their team a lot nicer. Romance subplots should move the story forward; they don’t work when they clash with the fantasy you’re trying to tell.
Trauma is a very big struggle
Edit: The song that plays when the jabberwalker fight "Trapdoor" is a very huge deal about what Ruby was feeling during the time they all stayed here
I get Yang and blake are in love and I'm happy for them. But I can take one look at Ruby from the start of this volume up until now that she has pain written all over her face. If I was her teamate, I would understand the weight of everything and try to console her the night before when everything had calmed down.
I would like to see WBY+J working together to find Ruby.
Jaune needs a lot of help to make him fully recover (even if he reverts to his younger version) but I think the starting point for this to happen will be for Weiss to motivate him to find Ruby and make passes at her. Putting aside what one thinks about whiteknight (personally I doubt that ship will materialize into something serious) Weiss is in a good position to empathize with Jaune because of what happened with Penny and has paid attention to the problems he was presenting in episode 7. It would be a great touch if they paralleled that moment in volume 2 where Jaune helped and advised Neptune for Weiss' well being, only this time Weiss would help and advise Jaune for his well being, and also for Ruby's well being. Weiss would be responsible for Ruby and Jaune eventually being able to reconcile.
If anyone paid attention to the map Jaune had on Ever After, there is the possibility that Ruby has escaped to the acre where the Jabberwalker and Neo are presumably located. If so, the next episode could be really wild and I have a feeling something might happen to Jaune.
A fantastic overview of everything in V9 that lead up to Ruby's breakdown. You hit upon every point in exact detail. I think you're exactly right that Jaune's outburst her likely did hurt the most. The two have always had such a powerfully supportive relationship. Jaune was Ruby's first real friend at Beacon, this liaison started a two-team bonding The two were generally very comfortable in each other's presence. It was Ruby who first ran to Pyrrha's side after seeing Penny dismantled, and it was Ruby and Weiss that Jaune depended on to save Pyrrha from Cinder. But after that...
Jaune and his team followed Ruby to Haven in search for answers. Two kids looking to find meaning in a world spiraling, each one dealing poorly with the trauma of their losses. Ruby sees Jaune torturing himself by training to Pyrrha's video, but she can't try to comfort him or console him because she doesn't know how to cope either, this is the first hint that Ruby's way of processing emotions may not necessarily be the most healthy. Their relationship continued to flourish, even as Jaune's distrust of Qrow did cause him to lash out, Ruby paid it no mind and even seemed to be in his corner for a time. Then as Ruby started to break down near the end of V4 it was Jaune who stopped her from declining further, "You didn't drag us along. You gave us the courage to follow you."
In V5, Ruby was so terrified of what would happen to Jaune as he confronted Cinder that her Silver Eyes activated. Then in V6 the two make a promise to see each other again as they are forced to part in order to shake the Grimm from the train, the embrace at their reunion is very sweet. It is Ruby that defends Jaune's plan to steal an Atlas airship. They don't do much together in V7 (other than hold hands in awe of the Ace-Ops teamwork). But in V8 it is Jaune who stops Yang vs. Ruby from becoming any more ugly. Jaune always had Ruby's back. Despite Jaune's accusation that Ruby's plan "didn't work!" It was also his plan. They all came up with it together.
Then we come to this chapter. Jaune has been stuck in a purgatory loop wrought by his own trauma for who knows how many years (The Ever After truly is a cruel place). After hearing Ruby insult everything he had devoted his life to for decades, he snapped in turn, no comforting words, no signs of assurance, no gentle touches. Seeing Jaune's anger and vitriol of him telling her everything she already felt about herself caused her to shatter. (I can also bet that she heard "They're dead because of *you* !" As not just referring to the Paper Pleasers, but to both Pyrrha and Penny.)
Now that Ruby has collapsed I wonder if she will point out to Neo that Torchwick's death was never her fault to begin with. He died because he was not watching his back thus a Grim ate him. Ruby does not control the Grim nor did she help them get into the city in the first place. Torchwick died as result of his own actions
A pretty good retrospective look at Ruby's emotional breakdown and the lead up to it.
Ruby calling the paper pleasers 'make -believe' probably reminded Jaune of Alyx since he mentioned how she thought the others in the Ever After as make-believe' which I'm sure someone else has pointed out, but with the information we've been given this episode, it hits a bit harder if you think about Jaune's timeline. He was poisoned by Alyx, which we knew from last episode, but now he mentioned that the paper pleasers are the ones who helped him recover from that, meaning he's been there since then. He would have already gotten close to them before learning of the (presumed) fate of Lewis and Alyx, and likely immediately jumped into trying to keep these new people safe. So assumedly since he's still there, the only ones he's been close with are Juniper and the Paper Pleasers. And now, when he finally has someone new, it all falls apart. And then Ruby says something similar to what Alyx would.
And of course in the opening, there's the scene in the opening of Alyx on the bridge, turning to face Ruby and her appearance changing to be Ruby. And the bridge looks like that of the pair of bridges Yang and Blake were on to work on their feelings. With how little is left in the volume, i doubt it, but there's the slight potential of another punderstorm/crossroads where Ruby needs to confront things, but if not, it does reflect her anger at Yang and Blake getting their feelings dealt with, but her not getting the same.
And then for the end of the volume, my guess is that they'll get out at *the* last moment of the volume. Mainly due to the fact that they've had a new outfit for each trio of volumes, and of course 10 will be the start of the next one. While it could be they get back to Remnant and get to Vacuo and are given new outfits there, With the opening showing off their evolution through the series and that they're confronting how they will move forward (though mainly that's just been with the other three), It could be they finally resolve to go to the tree to go home, and it will help them, but in doing so, it remakes them to some extent, and that's what leaves them with their new looks. Not as concrete as some theories, but it's there.
I do really like how the episode ended with Ruby leaving because now the team has the objective to find Ruby but they can also be helping Jaune in the process, so they're not dealing with two massive emotional support roles at once, there's time for both fighting/exploring as well as talking and it builds up the tension of "is Ruby ok? Will they get to her in time?"
There's a setup for another volume where they're not instantly back in Remnant (maybe in some in-between world or some difficult journey back) or she's not fully ready to assume leadership by the next volume and I love that - it feels far more realistic that this is going to take months of processing with the full support of her team than that she's fine enough to get back in the saddle within 2-3 episodes of processing mixed with fighting neo when they find her.
Alternatively, I like the idea of returning to Vacuo in the middle of the desert and Ruby having to keep busy but being able to lean on people like Qrow, while Jaune is also able to lean on his team and neither of them have to lead but can keep busy keeping Grimm and building the settlement - that to me is far more believable in terms of emotional processing and has so much potential for character growth all round as other characters step up to fill those roles while they're down.
Ruby snapped and Juane snapped also. Two characters who relied heavily upon each other through the course of the series.
What pains me the most here is that the rest of the team relied to heavily upon them both. Ruby may be team leader, but she should in no way, shape, or form be carrying the entirety of the burden either physically or or otherwise.
Juane has obviously had trauma from killing Penny at the laters request but that kind of thing mentally scars a person for life, then since they fell into the Everafter , Juane had to deal with that trauma alone, meet the “girl who fell through the world “ and her brother, got betrayed by said girl, and promptly spent close to 25-30 years in the Everafter waiting for Team RWBY to arrive. A guy like Juane should honestly in my opinion be nothing but a crazed hermit at this point, the fact Juane hasn’t become that way speaks to his unseen growth as an individual as does the line he tells Team RWBY .
“I know I’m not okay. But how can I be?”
Not to mention that Ruby should have broken long before this as well. She watched Pyrrha get dusted by Cinder on Beacon Tower back in Season Two, lost several friends most likely who died during the “Fall of Beacon” spent time in a Coma after unlocking her Silver-eyed warrior power, experienced several emotional events, learned about Salem, nearly lost Qrow, lost Haven Academy, was forced to fight against Ironwood and the Ace-Ops , fought Cinder again, watched Yang “die” , almost got killed by Neapolitan, fell into the Everafter, learned of Penny’s death, questioned her own actions while her own team was blissfully unaware of her declining mental state, had a questionnaire from her younger self from season 1-2 about who she was , and unable to confidently exclaim who or what she was ( very bad indications for rapidly declining mental health), reunited with Juane, was told the real story of “the girl who fell through Remnant “ , met Jaune’s village of “paper people “ , was so traumatized she couldn’t fight anymore to help her friends or herself, and to top it all off Weiss in her apparent infinite sense of bad luck tells Juane ( who is already pretty traumatized)
“Everything will be alright, Juane.”
Looks to Ruby for guidance with the most questionable words in this entire situation.
“Right Ruby?”
For hecking sake Weiss is 19 years old during this volume, does this situation look alright to a reasonably sane person, most likely not.
It is rather justified that Juane and Ruby finally snap from the trauma their lives have been for the last seven seasons now. They shouldn’t be dealing with a whole world on the brink of collapse and ruin, they’re only children.
Thes lines in my mind adequately illustrate the point of view of both Juane and Ruby regarding their POV’s ( and I added dialogue that I thought would be appropriate in the scene)
Juane: I know I’m not okay. But how can I be? I was the only one on that bridge who could have saved her. And I couldn’t. And I have to live with that for the rest of my life in the Everafter and back home.
My trauma isn’t something I can just fix or forget, I’m broken. I’m the RUSTED KNIGHT of EverAfter a world that won’t even let me be free from my pain, my Sin, my betrayal of friends. First Pyrrha then Penny. Both deaths are my responsibility because I wasn’t strong enough to save either of them! What good is strength, courage, optimism, resolve, determination,when you still can’t save those you cherish, save your friends or heart from death and despair?!
Ruby: why are you asking me, Blake?
When do I finally get what I need?
When does someone finally SAVE me from this?
My own sister found love in a crisis when she said we should be focusing on leaving the Everafter, great by the way, so happy you pulled a 360 degree shift in priorities Yang big help there. Also happy that you and Blake are a couple at the worst possible time in our lives! And it does absolutely nothing to help us out right now!
Weiss is heir of nothing, huntress of nothing, focused on helping Juane when her own partner is descending into despair and suffering alone! But it’s ok because it’s all about priorities right? Right!
Blake was strong at one point, now she’s hiding behind my sister like I’m a threat to her wellbeing! I can’t even hold Crescent Rose right now, can’t even fight , Blake! Where’d your fighting spirit go huh, Blake? Do I have to give you that as well as adoration?! Are you so outrageously incapable of that on your own?!
Where’s my savior in this crisis?! My knight in shining armor?!
Who will save me at my lowest point in life?!
I have no one to turn to no light to guide me through this agony I face by myself. The only person who could help me is also struggling with trauma and I just made it worse for him!
This is the burden, the pressure of leqdership...
Not saying it's fair..but that's the price you pay, when you're made the leader of any group;
When stuff goes wrong, ppl look at you...blame is on you..
When trying to figure out what to do next, if ppl aren't asking you, they turn to themselves and try to figure it out if the high stakes situation...
Meanwhile, problems, hurdles, and obstacles pop up left and right...the situation evolves ever further into, lord knows what other mode of BS...
AND THEN you gotta juggle with the feelings of everyone on the team, in the group, you interact with..so the situation can possibly turn out favorable for you...
Barely legal ruby rose is 17, and had to deal with all that pressure...
@@ajizel13 That's always been problematic in a way considering that those who follow for some don't realize when the leader may need to be saved. It's all based on trying to act strong, but underestimating things that will burden the leader unless he has a way of facing it knowing there will be criticism. Take that and people taking a lot for granted, and they took had potential to solve problems had they did more for themselves to face their weaknesses.
@@ajizel13
I agree but for the sake of this particular event in the series both Juane and Ruby were never able to be prepared for this sort of situation.
The didn’t even get through a single year at Beacon before it fell to Cinder, the White Fang, and the Grim.
And who is ever actually prepared to face events like these? It’s great to speculate how these characters should be handling the events in their respective lives, yet could we deal with this sort of stuff and be mentally stable as long as Ruby has been until now?
@@leon4000 the problem with that train of thought, is that nobody wants to follow a weak leader... if you're gonna be a leader, you gotta lead....regardless of whether or not you know what to do....if the leader is panicking, then what chance do the followers have??? If the leader is about to break down, who else do the followers turn to???
But again, that's the burden of it...of leadership....constantly putting on a performance....
A good remedy for this, is either finding someone on your level, another leader to share some with(jaune) or a mentor figure you can lean to...ruby had 1 of those, but because she chose to say the wrong thing...doesn't really have that right now....
hell, jaune is going through shit too...and ruby doesn't really have a mentor figure to talk to at the moment.... that's what makes this kinda sad...
@@makisonoda7925 I mean that basically sums up alot of what I said about being a leader too....
Nobody is really "prepared" to be a leader... it sounds good on paper; telling ppl what to do, they follow your direction, they go were you say go, ect...
But in practice, and in highly-tier situations...it's stressful, confusing, half the time aimless...one thing I do like that rwby does as a show, is demonstrate how being a leader, being a hero, is not what you think it to be all the time..how half the time the characters don't know the next step..... I said this in a previous post but- compare rwby to the MCU...MCU ppl...kids "save the world" every other movie now...can throw quips left and right...they mite have 1 bad moment or 2, but they still come out on top, 8/10...
In rwby?? They lose...everytime they win a few, they lose alot more...to the point were they lose friends..ppl who shouldn't have been lost, but are gone anyway.....if those friends aren't dead(pyrrah and penny), they turn on them(ironwood) because the situation keeps getting worse.....
Nobody is ever really ready for when shit hits the fan...
and nobody is ever really ready to be an effective leader....you just do your best, and learn...
Now the question remains of what is Ruby going to do now? Is she so full of rage and grief that she is blindly go after Neo for revenge? Or is she so full of grief and despair that she is going to run into the blacksmith again and may be considering her offer due to how she is reacting to her weapon
For some reason I just imagine her going off somewhere and destroying crescent rose.
revenge for what? neo hasn't done much of anything to ruby yet, at least not successfully
I feel sorry for Jaune the most. He lost the first person who believed in him. And is frustrated that he's not as strong as the rest of his friends.
So he became a support to them. And I think he still has mixed feelings about his position with them. Since he now knows what Ren thought about him. In the last volume.
And being the one to kill a good friend. And living with that pain. And nobody was there to help him with it.
And that's not adding, to how he feels. Losing so much time in the Ever After. The time he wasted, the time he could have had with his teammates and his family.
But he kept being a loyal friend to Ruby. From the very beginning. And to have her say that to him.
Surely hurt him more than anything.
And the thing he said to Ruby is true. Since the first volume Team, RWBY truly didn't care about their actions. The Chase in the freeway, those cars being thrown around by the Mecha they were being chased by. Freezing the road and not once thinking about the civilians.
And the Breach, that I wouldn't be surprised if some Grimm managed to kill some civilians. Or destroyed their shops, car, and houses.
They were First Year students. They should have told the actual Huntsmen or Atlas military. But they didn't.
While all of that happened. Jaune and his team kept being students. Following the rules and leaving the White Fang to the authorities.
Sorry, but not far-thought.
Yeah, shame on them/RWBY for going all out in a fight that'd have meant their deaths if lost instead of focusing their resources (that'd be needed to even win) to protect people.
Also shame on them for not reporting their doing to get things fixed that'd get fixed anyway, because of course the people there did report the damage.
Shame on them for being protagonists who need to be more interesting then a side-team.
What he said to Ruby is only about half true. They were all in with the plan. No-one objected, no-one stated a better plan. Unlike Ironwood it wasn't "everyone has to follow, who doesn't get jailed away".
Compared to that, what Ruby said was fully true, even though it wasn't nice to slap that into his face at exact that moment. It's questionable if said afterians can be counted as living beings since they obviously try the same thing day to day, exactly at the same time. After we saw them just acting like an NPC greeting RWBY.
Him naming them after people he knows say's it all. He also said it himself: He was alone the whole time.
@@EngineScypex I also agree. Yes it hurt Jaune since for the time he was there he built his whole life to bear with the loneliness, but in all of this he'd been cold to them overall. No one picked up on something being wrong that Ruby didn't even smile at getting Crescent Rose, wasn't the first to get into the fight, was actually pinned down, and actually seemed afraid to hold her weapon. His reaction was barely concerned and was anger at what he saw because he felt she didn't care about the Afterian (when it was more Weiss who made the comments).
Ruby is the youngest of all of them, yet has been shouldering it all. To blame her for all that happened in Atlas is ridiculous since none of them said "hey maybe we should work together" and that is including all of the older hunters/huntresses. To come back and say its "all her fault" when they are all trying to deal with Cinder, Neo, Salem and all the others is pathetic since he didn't speak up against it in anyway
I would add that according to Jaune, Alyx who he said was cruel and basically evil considered the entire Ever After to be make believe and the rules didn't apply to her and Ruby just called the people he had been protecting make believe.
Well, to be fair:
1) Jaune forcefully named them after his friends, just so they could be his make-believe friends.
2) He completely enforced his will onto them, even calling them crazy just to justify his actions.
3) Their tries to ascent seem to be the same, just that they add new ones from time to time. Can you really call something a living being if it does the same thing day after day at the same time?
I love how this season has been about the silence of depression. Most people hide their depression. Pushing it aside for others or for the next goal. And when they try to talk about it, something in life always comes up and once again they push it aside.
Even the interactions of the others is commentary. At some point in the season each one of them see the signs and they do try to reach out but either Ruby wasn't ready or life once again takes priority.
It's a very realistic interpretation of depression which is ironic given the juxtaposition that they are in a beloved fairy tale story.
Thank you for doing these discussion videos in as much detail as you have. Keep up the amazing work.
I keep getting blown away again and again this volume.
I also want to point out that when it was raining in episode 2 one of the Red Prince's knights had said that "This way! Somebody's sad." moments before finding the four. Weiss even mentioned that it was raining on just them. It wasn't until Ruby bottled it up again that the rain lifted. And later, in the following episode, she lost this weapon and the bargain, in which Ruby may have felt she failed at as well.
And Little in Episode 7 had been in tune with Ruby's feelings. It seems the Afterans are very empathetic as they can easily see the emotions Ruby is holding in quicker than the others that have been with her for years. Or rather, the Ever After reacts to emotions. In the same episode, when Ruby was going to give her input, one of the People Pleasers interrupted her by explaining the tree's purpose of rebirth and how Jaune's preventing it.
And I also want to mention that even if Weiss was off-balance and messing up her steps in the fight only AFTER Ruby got her weapon back, Weiss did a decent job with Jaune as her partner. Seeing that, Ruby's thoughts of her not being needed solidified and that she "screwed up" everything from Atlas's fall (Weiss's home's fall) to the fight at the Paper Town. The choice to go to the Crimson Castle, getting lost and meeting up with Herb only to be saved by CC, even the marketplace falling (something Weiss mentioned that she's tired of leaving places in ashes). Ruby feels it's her fault that all happened. And Jaune solidified that by blaming her.
Wow...the episode was hitting hard...but watching this video just made it hit so much harder...I'm not good at understanding what exactly is going on but you tell it so extremely well that I understand everything or atleast most of it.
Been watching some of these volume 9 discussion videos now but I gotta hand it to you, you take it slow with a lot of details and I'm all for it.
Guess all I have left to do now is to subscribe I think
6:56
She is the leader and isn’t allow to be a failure since it’s not about her anymore. She has to put her teammate first and herself second…
That is what she told Jaune in Volume 1… and that very saying is still eating away at her…
Edit/Quote:
“You’re a leader now, Jaune. You’re not allow to be a failure. Because it’s not just about you anymore. You’ve got a team now, Jaune. We both do! And if we fail, then we’ll just be bringing them down with us. We have to put our teammates first, and ourselves second. Your team deserves a great leader, Jaune. And I think that can be you.”
I love a callback, but not this painful…
Damn I completely forgot about that line. I really hope she gets her fighting sprit back.
I completely disagree.
The leader is the one who needs the most help, support, and understanding. Ruby has gotten none of that in this situation so far.
Well, don't just take parts of a line that you like.
"It's not JUST about you anymore". But that doesn't mean you can just ignore own problems forever, just because you're a leader. Even the opposite.
If you're on a plane that crashed, who'd get the first mask you grabbed? Yourself, because if you put on masks on others (who can't themself), then you're less likely to be still able to do other deeds.
@@EngineScypex I think what the OP was getting at was that both Ruby and Jaune tried to be the leaders her "Nope!" speech envisioned... until they _broke._
I think that the concept of leadership in that speech, heartwarming as it was in its immediate context, couldn't have worked out unless Hunter training inculcated a mindset which prioritises the completion of mission after mission after mission, while putting off grief and mourning for the after -- _whenever_ that "after" would arrive, if at all*. In other words, *a completely militarised society underlying military training on the level of, e.g. the Imperial Japanese Army of WWII.* And the inculcation of that ethos (you could say indoctrination, for it _is_ ) must start from a _very_ young age; probably 10 years of age or thereabouts, if Heinlein and all those fictional works he inspired are any guide.
In retrospect, in Volume I a seed was planted in Ruby (and through her pep talk, Jaune), the bitter, poisonous, soul-crushing fruits of which we are seeing right now.
*Or maybe a certain Tin Man's Semblance... but we all know what happened with _that._
@@makisonoda7925it actually goes both ways honestly. a leader, even the best one, can only do so much if their team is not cooperative and does not support the leader back. i should know because of the numerous group projects where i could only do a fraction of what i could do because my team was not willing to make compromises and take on their share of the load.
Long comment, sorry but like. idk why but Phoenix’s specific wording of “Ruby feels neglected” brought some things to my mind and now I have two thoughts:
“But in the middle of this madness, I’m the one you left to win this fight…You were the one I needed and you left me as I always feared you would”- Red Like Roses part II
Yes, of course Ruby loves and misses her mother, but I think there’s a part of her that is also angry with Summer. A part of her that still struggles to come to terms with Summer leaving, even though she knows why logically and even kind of idolized that aspect (not dying, duh, I mean she wanted to be a hero). She gets why, but at the same time is still just a little girl who feels like she’s been left by her mom.
“I don’t think you know what it’s like to be left…My mom left me. Ruby’s mom left too. Tai was always busy with school, and Ruby couldn’t even talk yet. I had to pick up the pieces. I had to keep things together.”- Yang, V5 E8
“You’re right though. I don’t know loneliness like you do. I have my own version. And I bet Blake has her own version too.”- Weis, V5 E8
Everyone on team RWBY has had to go through their own version of loneliness, and now it’s Ruby’s turn. Weis was emotionally neglected by most of her family, Blake self-isolated, Yang had to take responsibility that shouldn’t have been her’s as the adults around her seemed to leave. Now Ruby feels as though she’s been shouldering this huge burden and has no one to turn to (she does, but bc of everything that’s been going on it doesn’t feel that way to her and it is VALID).
to sum up the entirety of rwby "Child who lost all hope looses what little hope they didn't realize they had left."
Just a minor thing, but I found it interesting that during Ruby's yelling, Yang stepped in front of Blake as if she felt the need to try and protect her from Ruby.
makes me wonder if Ruby also noticed it and it just added fuel to her anger/frustration/grief
Probably thought it would escalate into a physical confrontation.
Honestly think Ruby should have gotten into a physical altercation with Blake. Ruby almost snapped several times before this incident and Blake only parted a glancing interest in her leader’s struggle and wellbeing. What kind of friendship is that.
@@makisonoda7925 none, she only cares about yang now
This is why I don't care about Yang and Blake. They just around for the Bumblebee ship that fans are obsessed about and nothing else.
I hope people pipe down about Ruby not having any character development now. This has been building up literally the entire series, a small spark of hope fighting against great sweeping darkness is finally buckling under the pressure that's been building and building since volume 3
Having Ruby go after Neo would make sense considering Jaune pointing it out that Neo is after Ruby. Maybe that is when the intro scene will happen where Ruby is at the cloud/bridge area (that Yang and Blake were). Like on her way to Neo, Ruby enters the punder storm again. I’m equally excited and scared for that scene tbh
Ruby’s (potential) fight with Neo will be brutal and or emotional
Why not both?
Oh, it's gonna be both.
@@thegreendragon5390it was both and more...
At 11:40 + You said something about Jaune being a leader to team RWBY but probably only to WBY, and it just made me remember the song that was totally pointed at Ruby, "Trapdoor"
There was a line there that stucked to me and it says so clearly now that you pointed it out, the line is...
"You don't need me anymore, No you don't need me anymore"
Theres also the part with
"I'm alone in this war, I am a trapdoor"
The song has a whole lot of meaning even though its short, of what Ruby may be feeling...
A trap door in a spiritual meaning is a realisation of feelings, in which you can access hidden parts of the mind, like memories and feelings... But if we go to only the word, it could have a meaning on just like a trapdoor she's hidden, or she's trapped...
And when the song says she's alone in this war, well a lot of people can tell that she's fighting on her own, fighting her minds and thoughts...
A lot of people point out that she's younger than the others and I get that, its a good thing people point that out... Even though the others also have trauma Ruby in the first Volume was always different from all of them, she had this heroic attitude, she always thought being a hero was fun and cool, while the others were more mature than her. 2 years of her life she had to focus on her team, she was just the second. Now that Jaune and her are arguing it was kind of sad how when Jaune was so hopeless and down cause he felt like he didn't deserve to be a leader, Ruby was there to show him that leaders put their teammates first and them second, Ruby believed in Jaune and Jaune believed in Ruby they just had such different reactions to their trauma.
One aknowledges it, they know they're not ok.
While one bottles it up until it possibly explodes and now it did, which turned for the worst.
It's so sad that if the Paper Pleasers hadn't toppled the stone tower at that exact moment, they might've been able to have a calm, meaningful conversation with Ruby. Even if they had held off for one more minute, they could have at least started to address it, and that would've taken the pressure off. But because they chose that moment to flood themselves, the focus went back to Jaune, and her team asking her to help them console him, which only compounded on her issues.
The wait for next weekend is going to be -torture-, and if there was ever a time that they were going to mess with us and have the next episode be a Neo-focused episode, I have a feeling that's going to be next week, before we get the episode of Ruby's healing before a big finale.
Ruby's not gonna be healed overnight. I don't think she'll ever be fully whole again and I'm okay with that. Trauma can last a lifetime. Look no further than Team STRQ. They never recovered after Summer's death and Raven leaving. We've seen the lasting consequences of their inability to cope have a serious impact on their children.
@@rebelfighter5249 Didn't mean to suggest -full- healing. Obviously, she'll carry this with her for the rest of her life. But hopefully she'll come out of this (volume/arc) with her resolve to move forward (at least mostly) restored, and a more healthy way of expressing and dealing with her doubts and her needs from her teammates and friends.
Ok so I've been waiting for someone to make a video about this. I'm not gonna go super into detail, but the summarized version of everything is: Ruby's feeling have been pushed away for so long and too much has been placed on her from way earlier in the show. Think about it, almost every plan Ruby has come up with was met with failure time and time again and the thing I cannot stress enough just like Ruby pointed out in the newest episode is, WHY DOES RUBY ALWAYS NEED TO COME UP WITH THE PLANS? Why is it that everyone else gets to resolve their pain and problems, but anytime Ruby tries it get pushed away because, "There's other things we need to focus on." She cares so much about everyone else and fixing other people that she's neglected herself, because she's had to do that or no one else could make what she's tried to do happen. I get the whole premise of,
"Oh she's the team leader so she has to act more mature than the people around her and she knew why she wanted to be a huntress before everyone else." Y'all do realize that she was 14 when the show started and she was trying to emulate her mother by being a huntress and helping people. Ozpin placed so much on Ruby from the very beginning and she has gone through absolute hell since the first season, yet none of her feelings were ever addressed appropriately and now they FINALLY are. She's been fighting, failing almost every plan she comes up with, and dealing with everyone else's problems before her own for three years in the story. It's no wonder she's starting to lash out after losing so much. No person, no matter how strong they are can shoulder, not only the fate of the world, but also their friend's worlds, at the same time. Also yes, I am aware that there are times where her friends help her through things, but no one ever really tries to grasp the real scope of the weight Ruby feels. For once people are asking if Ruby is ok and Ruby is finally asking herself, why do I really want to be a huntress and choosing her own destiny rather than what has been imposed on her for so long.
This season's writing is really good and i hope that Ruby finally gets the time she needs to heal and really find herself.
Weiss, Blake and Yang were so caught up with trying to find a way home they neglected Ruby. And Ruby bottled it all up. Sure, Blake trying to focus on the now instead of what happened then is valid. But Ruby was still struggling to cope with it. Ruby can't lead you girls without having a clear mind. They forgot that as their leader Ruby needs support from her teammates to make a good plan and to help build confidence in others and herself every step of the way. Not doing it, burdens her. They can't always turn to her for everything. She's not a miracle worker or a god. She needs them more than they need her. And now she needs them more than ever.
Having a great team isn't always about having a great leader, but it's about the bonds the team share. Something the Ace-Ops lacked. And a leader's plan is only as good as those who see it through. Everybody has a part to play. And it never hurts to check in with each other every now and then to see if they're alright. The mission is important, yes, but checking on each other's well-being is just as important as the mission. Ruby lost hope and now is your chance to reignite it. She inspired you and now you're going to inspire her before it's too late.
To quote Clone Wars: "Trust in your friends, and they'll have reason to trust in you".
EDIT: Just because her plan didn't work out well doesn't mean you should hold it against her.
Ruby's team may not have been putting overt pressure on her to lead in the Ever After, but there is an issue that they've started taking her a bit for granted. She's been such a pillar of strength and hope for the rest of her team for so long that everyone else seems to just expect that she'll always automatically be able to do that. You highlighted some of Blake's comments during the volume, but I think some moments with Weiss are equally important. Twice during the volume so far (ep. 5 at the market and now ep. 7 when they ran outside to help Jaune), there have been moments where Ruby has been lost in her own suffering, but then Weiss has responded with something along the lines of "what's wrong with you?". Not in the supportive sense of "are you ok?" or "what's wrong?", but in the sense of "why aren't you doing what you're supposed to be doing?" Those were a couple of the moments where Ruby was actually showing some signs of her building trauma, but Weiss treated it more like Ruby was dozing off in class or something rather than anything serious where her friend needed support.
Also, while the rest of the team may not be explicitly looking to Ruby to solve every problem or come up with every plan, I think a lot of that expectation and pressure is still clearly there implicitly. The rest of the team is used to Ruby always having that next plan or that morale-boosting optimism, and hasn't taken a moment to recognize that those supplies are not infinite. Keep in mind also that some of the team have been explicitly questioning or doubting Ruby's leadership recently - that's what led to the temporary split of the team in volume 8. I think there's a direct line from Yang's criticizing Ruby's decisions at the beginning of volume 8 to Jaune's lashing out at her over her plan in this episode. The criticism of her leadership is ramping up (which is fine - she has made some mistakes), but the issue is everyone else still seems to expect Ruby to come up with the solutions even as they're tearing her down for her past efforts.
THANK YOU!!!
On that one. I agree. That's how you know people get too used to taking someone for granted, forgetting the person in a position of responsibility, is still growing up.
Yes definitely this. I also noticed Weiss talking to ruby about losing Atlas, which fair I understand why weiss would feel upset losing her childhood home. However, ruby doesn’t really respond while weiss is confiding in her. I feel like that was a really good moment for Weiss to realize smg was up but instead she just kept talking about her own struggle. It’s a really small detail but it’s shows how they just expect ruby to be there for them no matter what and nobody actually pays attention to her needs.
Ruby's semblance at her most selfish: "I must go, my Me needs me."
"You're a leader now, Jaune. *You're not allowed to be a failure."* I see Ruby still pretty firmly believes this line she gave in Volume 1, whether or not it's healthy for her to.
Some of these details I didn't notice, and it was pretty masterful. I just hope we're still able to flesh out the struggles the characters have gone through in the incoming seasons in a balanced manner with them assumedly being back to Remnant now.
It may seem like an odd take, but I think when Ruby said "make believe friends," I think she meant more in the sense of Jaun's and the Paper Pleasers' relation.
Jaun was kind of holding the PP hostage, in a sense, keeping them from what they wanted (ascension). While his intentions were good, there comes a point where he's doing more harm than good (I mean, look at all of what they were trying to do to get what they wanted). So were Juan and the PPs *really* friends in the end? Maybe. But given the context they got from PP, it may seem like they weren't really friends and Ruby was calling that out.
And also, Jaune named them all after people in Remnant. It seems he did sorta "play pretend" with them, pretending they were his old friends, family and school mates. So in that sense, I don't think Ruby was wrong calling them "make-believe friends", because while they were real, Jaune sorta used them to fill in roles he had for them in his mind.
I dunno about make believe but he was definitely playing pretend or playing house considering that he named the paper pleasers after all the friends and acquaintances back from remnant. Like while it was a really mean thing to say, ruby saying make believe kinda had a point.
Sorry but I couldn't hold in my laughter at the "holding the PP hostage" istg I'm mentally 12
Thank phoenix for the kind observations of all parties in this scene analysis. Thoughtful and objective to all. ❤
Jesus Christ, I didn’t know how many time Blake has been pushing Ruby’s struggles away this volume until now.
I’ve always felt that her telling Blake to shut up at the end was a bit rough, but now… damn…
Totally deserved now
Blake's very presence at Beacon when she ran away from Adam was a red flag. Honestly, she has no business spewing out MORE peppy speeches when everything around her withers and dies.
In a way I think the didn't pay attention to Ruby because she is Ruby, the one that's allways pushing for a way out, allways ready to make things work. Yes the plans are almost allways a group effort, but Ruby is the driving force, and I think a big reason for the rest of the team to not be as messed up as she (even as pretty much the same stuff happened to them) is because they can put the weight of being that driving force on her, they trust her as a leader and that also means they can have her Ideal with the responsability
In Defense of jaune the pps not only saved his life and kept him busy for years and kept him going for years and fill his need to protect losing them broke him, especially the whole killing penny situation,he lost his cool,realized he was wrong and acknowledges he's not okay a guilt that won't go away and if it was any of them that fell first I doubt they wouldn't have did the same
I like how they showed a degration of her mental state instead of how most writers put mental breakdowns just being supressed and hinted at but Ruby you just see how it keeps stacking and you feel it in everyone elses words when they pushed away her problems. You can tell that the writer knows what actual sadness and depression is in this chapter.
I think when they get back to Remnant, Ruby really needs to seek out Qrow. I feel that he would understand her pain, as he has not had it easy himself. And Ruby needs someone outside her team to talk to, someone who wouldn't expect her to just shoulder on and pick herself up without problem.
This has been great development for her. It hurts to see her suffer emotionally from the stress, trauma, guilt and leadership but Ruby will only grow from it. Goes to show how you don’t need to physically maim a character to have them grow. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve heard people want Ruby to ‘lose an eye’ for development, not knowing her eyes are her best/only defense against the villains right now.
Due to a lot of things going on in the world and my own personal world, I haven’t seen much of you/the internet in about 4 years. Glad to see that you’re still doing RWBY content & in what I’m assuming good health. Stay safe and happy, everyone
I really appreciate the work you put into analyzing each episode and going into great detail over all of what's happening. I have autism, so it's difficult for me to grasp what these characters are going through unless its painfully, and obviously clear. These analyses that you've put together really help me to better understand and better appreciate the volume, so thank you! :)
20:16 listen to the lyrics of that song that plays during the jabberwalker fight it's called trapdoor.
"You don't need me anymore, you don't see me anymore" 😢
I’m firmly against the idea of the story using ascension to solve the Cast’s issues. Sure, purging all memory and resetting themselves into something new would solve their issues. But in the end, change on the level that ascension implies is a step too far. I’m of the opinion that none of the cast will ascend, but the remaining plot involving the tree and Neo will force them to make their changes soon. Thinking back to the OP’s lyrics, which believe are reference to this issue: “I got to let go but could I lose my mind?” Letting go in this case is changing, but ‘lose my mind’ is to ascend.
Jaune and Ruby can’t heal and move forward without changing ‘something’ about themselves. But to submit themselves utterly to changing completely and casting aside everything isn’t the answer. Plus narratively, it would honestly be rather unsatisfactory and leave an extremely bitter taste in the mouth to have the story of ‘Ruby Rose’ and ‘Jaune Arc’ end as a complete tragedy. At least that’s how I see it.
I think you are one of the few who made a truly objective analysis of this volume so far.
Good work.
I genuinely think, and kind of hope. this will be the start of a Ruby Villain/Anti-Hero Arc. It'd certainly spice things up, and make ruby stand out from the recent protagonists in media.
Why would Ruby become a villain?
Anti heroine maybe. But villain is a stretch.
I don’t think it’s to far a stretch to think Ruby will become more like how Raven was when she was introduced to us. Not a villain but definitely not a hero.
A note as well on Jaune and Ruby conflict. Jaune felt sorry after as he apologized but as you said it hit regardless and pushed her over the edge where she couldnt accept his apology. It was rough but at that point Ruby didnt want to talk about *Anything* to them. One can hope she comes back. Or her friends realize their mistake and look for her.
didnt expect ruby to be the one to shut down an inspiring speech but i am so here for it
Ruby has clear signs of depression at the start of vol 9. And as young she is, she shouldn't be struggling on her own. Her team are already mature and know who they are ,despite what happened during vol 8. Ruby lost so much and tried to be the leader. But after hearing the news of Penny's death, hit her more than the failures she endured. And what's even more sad that depression doesn't go away. Once you have it, it's hard to move past it. Especially on your own. Her team failed to comfort her loss. Pushing her feelings aside and focused on their version of the "bigger picture." So yeah. She should be lashing out. She has to let it all out. Having it bottle up inside just makes it worse.
Her team know who they are BECAUSE of the pain they've also suffered and are still suffering. That doesn't make them mature enough to be able to help her through her problems which she constantly hides.
@KingMufasa -KFP thats why they should've pushed hard to help Ruby. Weiss was the only one ready to hear Ruby out, but Ruby wasn't ready to talk. And once she was, she was brushed aside.
Her team struggled with their trauma but didn't do it alone. They had help to get through it. That's why their stronger now emotionally. But what of Ruby? What she needed was someone to listen to when she was ready. But no one at that moment cared
@@galakkun6071 it's super ignorant to think the world is just gonna stop and wait for you to be ready, that's not how it works. They had help because they were willing to accept it and she wasn't. They aren't to blame for it and pushing can do more harm than good in most cases. It's not as simple as "they should have tried harder"
@KingMufasa -KFP this is Rwby World we're talking about. It's not real life. And you should rewatch all of vol 9 and his video so you can see the clear picture
Yang and the others are going to have trouble finding her little sister, now.
Unless… they get the Cruise Cat to find her, buuuuut… Jaune doesn't trust him, and now the cat doesn't trust them anymore.
I see Cruise doing are 2 things:
1) tell them what troubling Ruby and why she left. To get them to understand.
And 2) pressure Jaune and Weiss tell Yang and Blake what happened to Penny Polendina, that their NOT telling them or much less holding back from Ruby. And they *all* apologize, for neglecting her heartache (she forced herself to suppress), and pleading her to come back.
Let's not forget that they start admitting their faults and admitting they should've supported her more as she did them. Saying that she inspired them and brought them out of the shells and that they wouldn't be the people they are now because of her. And now it's their turn to inspire her and bring her out of her shell.
I think that If Penny comes back to life or as spirit in the end of V9, it would give Ruby and Jaune closure and well as her apologizing for what she made Jaune do and the consequences that ensued because of it. While also regretting not listening to her friends and forcing a friend to kill her. They burst into tears and forgive one another.
@@kidprime6863 I do hope Penny Polendina DOES come back. But I don't know if CRWBY will, considering how they got Penny killed *3x's* times already! first time on volume 3, 2 times on volume 8 (2 on that volume, if you count the existing robot parts dying from a virus).
@@Samgreen90 I don't really count her robot body succumbing to the virus as a death because her mind and spirit were extracted out of it before it could kill her. So her body died but not Penny herself.
It's kinda like what happened to Zero in Mega Man Zero 3, when he had his consciousness extracted from his old body and put into a new one, so the old one could be repaired. Unfortunately, his old body was stolen by Dr. Weil and was used to create Omega. Zero did have an identity crisis from this before realizing the full truth but that's another story. And while Zero did destroy Omega, technically bringing an end to Dr. Wily's robots, Zero still lived on in a new body. Thus, I consider Penny dying 2 and a half times.
Penny has to come back to life. At least to give Ruby and Jaune closure. Because her death damaged Jaune badly and it affected Ruby greatly. I doubt Ruby is going to believe Jaune that he killed Penny because she told him to. And even if she does believe it, she'll probably get mad at Penny for even suggesting such a thing.
Penny wouldn't have died if she had just listened to her friends and went through the portal. She would be able to protect the people from the Grimm attracted to the Relic. Sure, she wanted to protect her friends and did what she thought was right but her clouded judgment of feeling like a puppet on strings prevented from taking the consequences into consideration and listen to people who knew what they were doing. Her insecurities got the better of her desire to make her choice. If she did go through the portal, all she needed to do was fulfill her role as the Protector of Mantle and have faith that her friends will make it. And I know that if she didn't do something, Weiss would've been killed. But she shouldn't have charged into a bad situation with bad feelings clouding her mind.
In short, this is all the more reason for RT to bring her back. I'll be damned if Penny is remembered as a suicidally reckless, naive, headstrong, insecure fool. She deserved a more honorable, noble and peaceful death, instead.
Ruby's been wearing more and more white with each costume change. She now looks very much like the inverse of Summer. I think she's been becoming more and more like Summer and might make a conscious decision to take on Summer's purpose and carry her weapon. I think she'll keep Crescent Rose too - I'm suspecting it'll eventually become an add-on or an alternative weapon she uses, sybolising the burden but also balance as she needs to remember herself, her memories, and her own life. And hey, the intro song talks about living with balance and holding onto memories.
I think Blake's trying to be the peacemaker, and focus on what's happening at the moment. With Jaune's anger, it's understandable. He has felt like he has failed those closest to them, especially Penny, who he voluntarily killed at her behest. Right now, I'm sure Ruby feels betrayed by Jaune's anger.
Goated video. I would love to see a video of basicly what you said about pushing Ruby's aside.
After you've laid this out I think I'm actually beginning to understand how this will all wrap up without needing go into another volume. But with 3 episodes left I don't want to make a concrete guess just yet either, it all comes down to how strongly connected Ruby's feelings are to Ever After.
I’m worried about there only being 3 episodes left. They have a LOT to wrap up. So far this volume has been amazing I just hope they don’t rush the final act.
Maybe this'll continue in volume 10?
Ok so I have an option that is probably not going to be popular but here it is. While I fully agree that Ruby is in a bad way and snapped for perfectly valid reasons I would suggest that her team had some reasons for not picking up on her mental spiral. Ruby has always been the strong one, the one to move forward even when she didn't know how or where she would end up. Ruby has always been the light in the dark for all those around her no matter how bad things got she HAD to be the pillar for everyone else. When someone fills that role for so long it's all too easy to think that they really do have all the answers and that someone so strong and reliable CAN'T need help. So I personally have been seeing things as WBY having mental blinders on in regards to Ruby.
That a good point. But the question is “how long before the pillar can’t support the burden of the weight it carries any longer?” Ruby was the pillar of solidarity, of hope, of indomitable will, but even pillars crumble given the pressure of time.
Ruby rose finally angry and i want to see ruby vs neo vengeance
Several observations for what it's worth:
1) Ruby's attack against JWBY was instigated by her feelings of neglect in the moment, but are fueled by her depression and self loathing. She hates herself more than anything, convinced she has failed. (Talking from personal experience, well without the Grimm and arch enemies. Just the self hate and consequent breakdown).
2) re Phoenix's observation about Blake. I see Blake as becoming a defacto second in command of the team the last few seasons. As she told Ruby in s8 she has been inspired by her. She put her loyalty to Ruby before her feelings for Yang at that same time. In Everafter, I think Blake has seen Ruby faltering, so has stepped in to provide the leadership Ruby once did. Blake's way of helping. But not what Ruby needs.
3) so combining the first 2 points, Ruby tells Blake to shut up because Blake's actions are reminding her of who she used to be. Of what she considers to be her failure. So, all in all, Blake has not been shutting Ruby down but unintentionally reminding her of her failure. Which is doubly tragic.
My take any way, food for thought perhaps.
Hm, how very interesting, i think you covered this very well.
It will be interesting to see how this will go.
The face Ruby made after Jaune snapped at her is so distinctly heartbreaking. Her face throughout most of this sequence is obscured by one thing or another, whether it be her bangs, the camera angle hiding her face, or a shadow covering it like at the very end. But after what Jaune says you can see Ruby's face so clearly, and you can see so much going on. She's trying to look angry still but you can see from the tears in her eyes and the way she's squinting she's just barely keeping together. You can't tell if she's about to lash out again or break down crying.
And the worst part about all of this is immediately after attention is taken away from her by Jaune as he sobs about how hard it's been for him, making excuses for his actions and disregarding Ruby's feelings. She's cast aside, again, something is more important than her, again, and her problems and feelings are ignored, again. Even after making a scene like that and still not getting the attention she wants (and actually needs) I can't blame her for running away.
It’s a case of visual perception vs emotional perception. Everyone has assumed that Ruby was fine if a little shaken because she intentionally set her personal emotions aside for the sake of her team and Juane.
Then you have Juane who clearly looks haggard and not at all right mentally.
So in a logical Interpretation Juane is the bigger concern for UBY not Ruby Rose, not their team leader or friend.
@@makisonoda7925which is crazy since ruby literally fainted. i sound like a broken record now but how the hell did anyone within and without the story think ruby was going to be ok? seriously like seriously
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Yeah I know what you mean about that.
Who wants to bet in either the next episode or the one after we'll get the warning about the subject of suicide
That would be terrifying and yet I think it's highly probable.
honestly, that would be dark. but fitting. I'm honestly gonna be surprised if ruby isn't suicidal by now.
My favorite part was when she called out Yang and Blake 😂
Same 😂
About fucking time 😂
Yuuuup
Someone else said it perfectly. Jaune and Ruby are dealing with their trauma in opposite, yet equally poor methods. Jaune refuses to move on, while Ruby refuses to stand still.
These are all really good points and I can vaguely understand both parties.
I do think Ruby and Neo are going to find each other soon while Ruby's breaking down and by herself, might even be that Ruby doesn't want to fight and just gives herself up, and Neo (always being good at noticing and listening) might be the one who takes pity and helps her work through her feelings
Honestly the writers have kind of written themselves into a corner. With Yang they were smart enough to have her have to go through a recovery process that still lingering considering that it came up in her trip to the herbalist. She handled it well, but it will always be there, her new normal with a part of her body just gone.
Ruby can get through this and get back to a good place, but Juane? It really feels like they are going to resort to the Magical Bullshit Tree of Resetting on him.
I hope they all keep their old bodies, as a reminder of their past.