The War Within Alpha - New Monk Talents, Hero Talents, and More!
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- čas přidán 9. 06. 2024
- Check out the reworked class tree, new Mistweaver talents, and the new Master of Harmony Hero Talent tree! What are you the most excited about for The War Within or for the Monk changes?
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0:00 Intro
0:40 Class Tree
11:50 Spec Tree
15:50 Mastery of Harmony Hero Talent Tree
23:05 Conduit of Celestials Hero Talent Update
24:25 Closing Thoughts
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I will be doing a follow up video as there has already been a new alpha build datamined as well as some things I left out due to time constraints
Huzzah
Great video!
You mean you left things out like Elusive Mist's change? - It sounds like a neat one. I am curious if the statue can keep it up and if it stacks when the target receives 2 soothing mist's.
Oh and about the falling damage when landing on the water surface with water walking active - there is a small and neat trick to avoid that from happening: Turn the camera completely vertical (as much as possible) with the right mouse button (turning your character).
This way I avoided some cheezy team kills from DKs when they did that more often lol.
What happens if you Zen flight during Dynamic flying?
@@wuuyye5702 You get dismounted and fly at the slow Zen Flight speed
Other streamers are just winging it live tabbing through VLC and megasett already has a fully edited video?? Leagues ahead of the pack on this one!
It was a great privilege to be part of this early access event ❤
Agree!!
Absolutely! I appreciate the effort it takes to make a video like this rather than just clips from streams.
By far the best patch ever for Mistweaver honestly. It's the first time ever that I see a patch with every single changes being thoughtful and positive. I'm so hyped I cannot wait for the prepatch now it can't come too son.
CF dead? EF dead? Kickweaving core? OMG YES PLEASE
Was hoping we’d get a melee range increase, oh well. Amazing that chi harmony is staying!
Yea hut it's getting a 10000% buff
Amazing video! This already makes me want to continue mine MW so much good changes!
Im excited for WW changes, talents are awesome, but here ,you did amazing job once again! Thank you !! im keeping MW as off-spec and your videos are helping me a lot ! Keep going 😊
Ive been playing since vanilla started warr then main lock for years and years. Now im mist weaving and im addicted to.. great guides im stoked for war within
Oooooh!!!! ❤ you have gotten me so amped up right now. I cannot wait to try this out. Looks like so much fun! Thanks for the great content.
I'm so hyped, thanks as usual for the comprehensive look Meg!
conduit visually looks AMAZING
Simply amazing, Megasett! This inspires me to come back to Mistweaving after I took a break in Season 3. I played Evoker in the meantime, and the new talent "Lighter than Air" even replaces the ability to avoid fall damage. I love it and I love all the changes!
So many changes coming, glad you got an early look.
you guest starred in savix's new video on TWW a little after half way in :) thanks for the MW showcase !!!!!!
Bro I was wondering what that was about LOL
Looks good! They could have put the cherry on the top though by making zen flight full flying mount speed and usable on the ground :P
Our class tree looks cool
This may sound weird, but I’d love for MW to have Fist of Fury in their kit. Provide damage and healing based on the length of channel sustained? Maybe press it for 5 or more targets along with SCK instead of spamming SCK at that target count alone.
You are the MVP of spec experts. Now I feel so exited to go back to weaving mists next expac (I was planning to do a bit of windwalking and not much else tbh).
Megasett? More like MegaHype!!!
Great video! I’m excited! Thanks
Great video, thank you!
I don't play monk right now but these changes to the class have certainly encouraged me to check out the class in TWW.
Great video, as always. Thank you!
Chi Harmony being a talent is the one thing I wanted the most and hoped they leaned into - I’m glad they did this. It’s going to be awesome.
I was also hoping they would increase our melee range and possibly change our mastery even further. Which, I’m glad they modified the mastery, but I had hopes to take it in a different direction.
I'm so glad I'm staying mistweaver for TWW cos there is so many options! I personally wanna try the harmony cos the extra passive stuff to track and work is interesting especially doing cleave damage on rising sun kick
Thank you for the great video!
Great overview, just bought the xpac. Cant wait to pvp my fistweaver
I'm super happy with a lot of the changes and the new hero talents. We will have a soothe and a double jump? Its like xmas here.
It really feels like they have a good idea of what they want monks and mistweavers to look like and are just heading in a great direction.
Thank you. Incredible analysis of the changes. There are some details here that no one else has really talked about. Overall the talent changes and new hero tree look great for MW and for the class overall. I think I'll be running MoH for both MW and BrM. Definitely for BrM.
Not sure if you play or have any interest in brewmaster, but your analysis would be super welcome on that side as well.
Sheeesh Meg this is the best spec video out so far!! Thanks a million
PRESSURE POINTS! YES!
I've wanted that since Enrages started to matter again.
This together with windwalker changes allowing them to make use of haste gives me dopamine. Great overview.
Zen pulse is FINALLY passive? My cries were finally heard?
11:32 which is a nice touch... of death
Love you Meg ty for your help
Lighter than Air looks amazing :)
I'm a Brewmaster main and I'm jealous we don't get conduit of the celestials. Such a dope class fantasy hero talent page and the visuals are great. I'm hoping they make master of harmony and/or Shdo-Pan a bit more interesting. Great video though :)
I was over the moon after reading the changes and you agreeing with the changes as well inspires a lot of confidence for TWW
Great overview, can't wait to see more of the changes.
Even as someone who loves the idea of the caster Mistweaver (I love how unique Soothing Mist is and would love to see a healer built around such as spell as its core) I am really happy about them moving towards this more Melee only focused tree (with some ranged/cast tools). It opens up so much more space for interesting melee options rather than a ~75% finished caster alternative that falls short of what I want and just eats up space in the tree for the melee style. It also means that, assuming this melee version works out as well as it looks, future changes might include moving the channeled cast style off of Mistweaver and into another new healer or spec in the future so it can get the same treatment. But that would have to be 12.0 or later at the earliest realistically.
And both hero talent options look like they'd be fun which is more than I can say for a lot of other specs. Very positive things so far.
I have been wondering if it would be fun to turn it into two separate specs since the playstyle is just so diff. I think it would be neat but isk
@@Ysidoroh they should do, 4 celestials, 4 specs, if priest can have 2 healers, one being a hybrid, so can monk
Thank you Meg
I just hope they polish the talent trees a bit more as they seem quite messy and disconnected in places where connections should be made.
Welp at this point better practice fistweaving only in preparation for next Xpac... Or a new healer. But cool and interesting changes for sure.
Great explanations.
i fear how dominant fw is going to be in pvp now, the toolkit just seems insane.
nobody likes playing against fw, including other fw.
Even as a non pvper I was concerned about the number of slows, anti snares, and mobility available now to monks in pvp but we’ll have to see how things develop!
Another thing you didn't mention, Chi wave is entirely passive now. At least according to wowheads calculator
Damn I kinda enjoyed caster mistweaver playstyle in raids. Here's hoping fistweaving in raids is interesting enough to keep me playing it. Maybe I'll play the now nerfed disc priest
I am most excited for MW and WW finally both being like, good and potentially sharing stat distributions, though I absolutely love most of the MW changes, I just wish they made shei'lun's gift 5 target and -0.5 sec talent baseline and gave us an extra flex point
As long as fist weaving stays relatively viable in Heroic raid content ill be happy. having disc as a ranged damage healer and monk as melee just feels balanced. For the longest time i remember how homogenized all the healers felt.
Overall, I'm happy with the changes. We'll have to see how tuning goes. I still would prefer more of a passive heal playstyle letting me deal dmg and heal for a portion of that. Maybe similar to Disc, but I've never actually played Disc. I was surprised to see a fair amount of these talents were passives! I was starting to worry about too many keybinds.
Haste mastery fistweaving supremacy era LETS GO (it would be so funny)
It seems I'll come back to MW in TWW. If ramp build is no longer a thing in raid I'm so back!
Yeah, after years of playing mistweaver, Clouded Focus made me take a break last season. My guildies wondered why I'd drop it when it was suddenly meta, but it just wasn't as fun. I'm glad to see it dropped. I'll be coming back.
great vid, thank you! Came back to WoW a few weeks into DF S3, have not played since Cata... tried all healers and Monk is my Fav. That said, since I'm sorta new to the tree, I noticed Calming Presence on Live- a week before S4 (4/17) is 6%. So, has it been recently changed, or actually no new change in your Alpha play?
Calming Presence is 6% for MW currently but 3% for WW/BRM, when I checked Wowhead it said 3% since I couldn't be logged into both games at the same time -- my mistake
Good job
Megatron with another banger
2:22 the default slow is 40%, and the additional talent increases it by 20%, capping it out at 60%...not 80%. At least that is what it says on the wowhead talent calculator.
All of the tooltips in this video were taken in-game so that’s what I went off of, but numbers are likely to change since it is alpha still
Was the change to Chi Wave missed or was it not on PTR yet when this video was being made ?
CF and the current ToM raid spec is what made me reroll off of Monk. I am very happy to see CF gone now and us returning to a more melee-heavy playstyle. Also Mastery getting acknowledged is a very nice thing as it was weird that we would run around with as little as possible.
All in all very hyped and MW is definitely back in my pool of specs to main come TWW.
I will continue to main monk into this expansion. I thought monk was fun already in dragonflight, but its getting even MORE FUN to play with this! Im actually happy they are going away from the mindset of the game being "balanced", because balanced is boring. FUN is the most important in a video game
I think you forgot to mention that the mastery baseline triggers on Rising Sun Kick and Jadefire Stomp no?
RSK procs GoM via talent, JFS now triggers base yes. There was a lot of things to try in a short amount of time so I missed a few things but will be doing an update video when alpha comes back this week
@@Megasett I mean everything you covered is already amazing. You are the beam of light for all Mistweavers!
Hey Meg, any thoughts on healer balance from yesterday? 13% nerf for all healing on mw :(
yeah we're fine, we were very ahead
yeah I think MW is still going to be great next season despite the nerfs. I’m guessing it’s for healing adjustments for next season but overall we’ll be alright
I hope they move Lighter than Air to middle of tree so WWs/BrMs can get it too without having to take the 4% more healing talent which is worthless to them
It's pretty sad for essence font i think.
I didnt love how it was used, but the spell in itself was really great.
I would have loved it if it was just a bursty healing cd.
i wouldnt say you were plagued with the caster playstyle XD its important that theres variety that people enjoy
It’s extremely boring to play and CF also caused a lot of issues when trying to balance the spec, so I’m happy it’s gone
i's still mandatory to play in melee or a caster build should look viable?
Depends on the context but generally it's too early to tell, though MW is designed to be a melee healer and for M+ I always recommend melee.
These changes seem nice for pvp but all these roll stuff what exactly do we gain from that in m+? Wished for more healing talents
It’s a class tree for all content and 3 different roles so it needs to be applicable to all, or most
It is quite a bit of roll/antisnare/snare stuff but we may see some changes as we progress
True I hoped for melee range buffs tbf haha thought roll mobility was fine but it's way better now and I think I was too tired and thought it was our spec tree haha
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Can i just say that it took me some times to understand how their general class design works overall until the end of DF's S2 and now that i can clearly see how their design approach work, how it maps to the game, and then seen all these changes, i can definitely saying that i see the spec evolving into something really really nice and with a lot of things that i liked to see (lots of which i send to blizz as feedback many times).
Overall huge W, the only thing that concerns me is how Transcendence works and that you have to put it on an ally i have we have more agency of this and be able to chose either a location or an ally actively, unless their goad with the change about it was to prevent us doing the crazy stuff we can do with it.
The one thing which included anyone though is and i want them to scale down this top % tuning, not "remove", just make it so it's more enjoyable for people who are not in that skill level (basically change the scaling to be more forgivable for lower bracket players).
And i really hope they finally understand that, if they don't tie up rewards on interrupts and maybe defensives, people won't have enough incentive to learn how to use them and the same problems with who gets to be abused again the healer.
They did not remove the original functionality of Transcendence, it's just with the talent Linked Spirits that you cannot place it on the ground anymore.
@@Megasett Oh thank the Celestials, i've noticed later as you went through it for the video, thanks! Great video by the way!
R.I.P. Essence Font... My beloved skill... goodbye...
Am I wrong to be excited for roll->double jump? Movement abilities always make a character feel good, even when they don't have a massively obvious purpose :)
I’m also a big fan of it lol it’s very fun
Honestly this looks too good to be true…
I cant wait to go through all this and make plans then for the devs to slam everything with a hammer 2-3 weeks in
Do you feel as though there is a contradiction in the development thought process when it comes to PvP? You're saying that it seems as though they're moving away from the caster playstyle and weighing more toward melee healing, however, they're giving all these awesome slow and kite abilities that make it seem as though (to quote you) "it's impossible to catch a monk in a PvP setting". How do those two tendencies factor in with each other, because if you're forced to go melee healer, why would you need such a robust kiting toolkit? And vice versa, why would it be hard to catch someone, who's in melee already?
I'm thinking of getting back into the game, but haven't played in ages, so would like to get the feel of where they're going with mistweaver before I make the decision.
Thanks for your analysis and informative video.
I wish dampen harm stayed bc as a fistweaver that helped a lot
Fort Brew’s shorter CD will be taking it’s place
24:38 ... having a class that through its own healing spek can create two types of action, be it meelee or range healing ... is way more cool than going more into one or the other direction... is range healing as it is in dragonflight now lost? not clear from your video. Meelee healing is very cluttered and if u also have lag spikes or other technical issues, ppls die :)) ... hope range healing will be kept in parallel and not scrapped ... really love the cast to instant hots on the target type of game play - its the only healing talent currently that can pump up any dying class, almosst instantly with no pre-prep - you only need to have full mana - this I can't find in any other class, and I've searched ... so please don't be biased as I'm sure your voice and others like you matter ;)
It’s too early to say if we’re completely abandoning the playstyle since it does come down to tuning but with CF is being removed with no replacement, that’s what it seems.
I’m allowed to advocate and enjoy melee healing just as you’re allowed to advocate and enjoy the caster side, it goes both ways, do not tell me what to do with my content (:
I'm thinking coduit is just the clear winner, idk when id want to choose harmony hero talents.
Half of them aren’t even implemented yet, let’s give it a chance to make it to testing :P
When I watched the changes to monk tree, my first immediate thought was = They will have to nerf Fistweaing in pvp TO THE GROUND.
Clash + roll over slow = Fistweaver monk will stick to your ass like wet underwear, permanently.
fw is truly a plague in pvp, i wish it was bad enough that we were forced to play caster.
not sure i like having to use paralysis just to soothe 🤔
20:24 Oh yeah, all these useless for pve antisnare talents will get heavy nerfs or changes once pvpers being whining. I dont know why they even added that. I am so excited though to see CotC actually summoning the celestials to help. Got my transmog all ready to go for it.
I do hate that they keep focusing mw on fistweaving. The main reason i dont off heal with my monk is because MWer has a 1.5 sec gcd. Swap the mana for energy and drop the GCD to 1 second. It would make the spec more unique, and give it a little more challenge since you cant just spam heals then ask for an inervate.
Buff mw
can´t we simply stand in range and heal? we are healers, not DPS.
We receive melee mechanics regardless of positioning. If you don’t want to be melee I’d recommend playing a non-melee class
everyone's so happy about the changes but i dont understand at all why
We lost so many defensive mechanics, we lost so many throughput talents, we lost some raid utility
Honestly unless they nerf all other healer the same way i see monk reverting to its old legion self - completely abandoned
How do you justify losing bounce back, save them all, both raid buffs and dampen harm at the same time?
Dampen Harm was removed but replaced with a better version of Fort Brew, we lost EF which was not pressed in raid nor keys, the raid utility loss is valid but we still bring Mystic Touch, and Bounce Back and Save Them All still exist as 1 point talents.
Classes are facing defensive (and buttons in general) pruning and MW is currently EXTREMELY tanky and needs some reeling in. There's been numerous changes and additions that shape up to be very promising for MW on release and has so much space for iteration throughout the expansion.
@@Megasett thank you for you detailed respons, that gives me hope that mistweaver wont be ditched in a dump as it usually is transitioning to a new eexpasion
Wow these new talents are sooooo useless for PVE player like myself!
no?
Great video, as always. Thank you!
Chi Harmony being a talent is the one thing I wanted the most and hoped they leaned into - I’m glad they did this. It’s going to be awesome.
I was also hoping they would increase our melee range and possibly change our mastery even further. Which, I’m glad they modified the mastery, but I had hopes to take it in a different direction.
I recently subscribed to your channel and I’m glad I did. I’ve been playing WOW since 2007 (started right after college so, yes, I’m older) and tried Mistweaver off and on throughout the years. My main is resto druid but I recently started playing Mistweaver more and more. I think my main will be Mistweaver in the next exp. They are a blast to play! They have never felt better. Anyways, thanks for the videos and keep up the great work!
I *cannot* believe they removed Clouded Focus, I'm so hyped. Also, mastery procs on damage abilities? I'm gonna cry (even if it's still meh)
Great video as always, thank you