Why I believe Dina-Averina didn’t take the Gold at Tokyo 2020!

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  • @the21stCenturyofRG
    @the21stCenturyofRG  Před rokem +2

    Subscribe for more CZcams videos & shorts like this!

    • @ilfbforever7292
      @ilfbforever7292 Před rokem +1

      Dina wasn't behind Linoy 1.50Points, it was only 0.15 Points!!!!

  • @tragerderheiligenflamme3732

    You’re right that Dina made mistakes that cost her the gold, but they’re none of the “mistakes” shown in the video except for maybe the pivot and the clubs one…
    The real reasons were her hoop routine (2nd weakest and easiest in Tokyo 2020) and the fact that she missed a pretty big risk at the ending of her ball routine.

  • @isaacmendoza1084
    @isaacmendoza1084 Před rokem +16

    The catch with shoulder is correct ❤ she even did that at Quals.
    But the other mistakes are pretty clears

  • @user-ui3zy8ce7t
    @user-ui3zy8ce7t Před rokem +11

    She definitely caught that club on purpose, you can see she is not reaching with the other hand for the rebound and that open palm of her right hand is just in case the club is in the wrong position to catch in between neck and arm.

    • @the21stCenturyofRG
      @the21stCenturyofRG  Před rokem +3

      Totally agree! At the time of making this video, I thought it was a lucky miss … but now I know she meant to do that on purpose!

  • @user-dn3ec4zi9f
    @user-dn3ec4zi9f Před rokem +8

    Can you make the same video with an explanation about Arina? Yes, we all know about her ribbon, but what about all other routines, for which she scored lower than Dina and Linoy? And if Dina for example had some issues througout her hoop routine, I think Arina's hoop was perfect in the final!

  • @anniem380
    @anniem380 Před 10 měsíci +5

    Even if she did a little mistakes, she didn't drops a ribbon in a competition!!! You can't win a competition if you drop a subject! Linoy shouldn't be proud of this "gold" medal.

    • @the21stCenturyofRG
      @the21stCenturyofRG  Před 10 měsíci +6

      So why was Dina Averina allowed to win the gold medal at the 2018 world championships? With Linoy being completely faultless and clean and Dina dropped the ribbon

    • @the21stCenturyofRG
      @the21stCenturyofRG  Před 10 měsíci +3

      Why was the Russian team allowed to win the Olympic gold with a drop? Back in Rio 2016! Why is Russia going off and completely Downing? Linoy win at Tokyo 2020… went half of their gymnasts, have won with a drop! Believe me if Dina or Arina Averina had a drop at Tokyo 2020, and still won gold. No one would be complaining.

    • @johnalamariz2491
      @johnalamariz2491 Před 4 měsíci

      Your wrong dina averina drop a ribbon at sofia worl cup 2018. Your a lier 😂😂😂

    • @patem7379
      @patem7379 Před 3 měsíci

      no part of the COP says you can't win a competition with drops of APPARATUS not subjetcs, also Dina is the best example of winning gold medals with drops of apparatus :)

  • @brau_bj2060
    @brau_bj2060 Před rokem +3

    Thanks for the video! Glad to see more content about RG!
    The only thing is that Dina´s catch with the shoulder is correct, it's a W/o vision criteria. She also presents that catch at Worl's 2021

    • @the21stCenturyofRG
      @the21stCenturyofRG  Před rokem +1

      Hi thanks for your comment, I was debating if I should put that one in the video or not… but at the same time, strongly thought that that was a mistake! But there’s no disputing the others, though the others were mistakes and obvious errors

    • @ilfbforever7292
      @ilfbforever7292 Před rokem +4

      Dina was behind Linoy only 0.15 Points, not 1.5 Points like you wrote
      The one Club didn't LUCKILY landed on her shoulder, Dina did that on purpose, like in the qualifications , during her Training in Tokyo, (RG judging posted a Video from her Club training)and 2 months later she showed that Trick at the WC.
      The mistake with the Ball was a bigger one, she missed to Catch the Ball with her legs , but caught it at the Qualifikation 2 days before. Yet she got 28.3 and in Qualifikation 27.6, I think thats why she was laughing and pointing at the Scores in the kiss and cry after her Ball Routine .
      Dina didn't get any penalites, normally If the Jurors think you are behind, they penalizes you,.. but nope , empty "penalty field".. don't know where you got this from?
      The whole scoring in Tokyo was a mess, but imo all in all they overscored Linoy af , Eva Serrano , the french Juror was biased, she said in an Interview from the 90ies that the "eastern Block is hard to Break" .
      Very telling....

    • @brau_bj2060
      @brau_bj2060 Před rokem

      @@ilfbforever7292 I don´t think the scoring was a mess at all, the reality is that with this code it's was kind of impossible made all your difficultys, nos even the Averinas could do all of their difficultys, Linoy was the cleanest until ribbon

    • @ilfbforever7292
      @ilfbforever7292 Před rokem +1

      @@brau_bj2060
      ..but isnt it Strange that Dina got more Points in the finals with at least 2 mistakes, than at the qualifikations where everything was clean? How is that possible?

    • @brau_bj2060
      @brau_bj2060 Před rokem

      @@ilfbforever7292 hmmm not really, the main thing was her execution for the beginning, she miss her attitude pivots and front scale, but I do feel she was a little overscore in the finals

  • @user-dn3ec4zi9f
    @user-dn3ec4zi9f Před rokem +15

    The interesting bit is Linoy's score for the ribbon, I don't remember seeing her getting such a high score on any competition when she's been clearly perfect...and now with a drop and some steps to get it she receives 23.300, doesn't make sense to me.

    • @the21stCenturyofRG
      @the21stCenturyofRG  Před rokem +3

      Neither can I explain it either! But also what I don’t get is why the hell Dina got the same score as Linoy in Ball when Linoy was perfect & Dina really wouldn’t…

    • @user-dn3ec4zi9f
      @user-dn3ec4zi9f Před rokem +1

      @Kira Louise Longoria well to be honest i don't know if it was a mistake because I personally find it harder to catch the ball with a straight arm as she did, so it might've been a part of the choreography, it really doesn't seem to me that she's performing it with a mistake when I'm watching it. But still, if we consider it was a mistake, the highest score I've seen from Dina for this ball exercise is 29,175 on the Ech. The highest for Linoy which I know is from the same competition and it was 28,65 as long as I remember, so they both received 28,3 on the olympics, which is a 0,35 drop for Linoy and 0,875 for Dina, so...half a mark is half a mark🫠

    • @the21stCenturyofRG
      @the21stCenturyofRG  Před rokem

      @@user-dn3ec4zi9f I wasn’t pointing out that she didn’t catch it with straight arms… I was pointing out. She touched it with two hands….

    • @josearavane4773
      @josearavane4773 Před rokem

      Doesn't make sense to me either!

    • @user-dn3ec4zi9f
      @user-dn3ec4zi9f Před rokem

      @The world of RG! As a whole, for the mistakes she did, I think 28,300 is a fair mark, as she's been receiving up to 29,200 when she's been perfect. I mean, this is a difference of almost a mark. We can't give her a 25 for that, u know what I mean...

  • @katja1289
    @katja1289 Před rokem +38

    It’s not really about the mistakes that determines who wins. It’s the overall score. If Linoy hadn’t been overscored from the beginning, she would’ve easily lost. Can you tally up all the points from all the rounds? A channel called RG judging did that, and the result was that Dina was first, Arina was second, and Linoy was third. Yes, Arina was second.

    • @azizi_zulkifle98
      @azizi_zulkifle98 Před rokem +4

      why are you trusting that channel? Haven’t you watched judging video from ClematisRG ?? Both of the channels have different view and judging points.

    • @katja1289
      @katja1289 Před rokem

      @@azizi_zulkifle98 I just looked at the channel, but couldn’t find any videos judging the 2020 Olympic Tokyo routines.

    • @azizi_zulkifle98
      @azizi_zulkifle98 Před rokem

      @@katja1289 czcams.com/video/nr2cs9JolW0/video.html ,, you should click the link on the description of the video :)) There is also a detail explanation on her website ..

    • @CJ_87
      @CJ_87 Před rokem +10

      And what about all the years when the Averinas have been clearly overscored and taken medals other gymnasts deserved? I am not against them. I love Russian gymnastics and the Averinas are terrific. But this discussion is pointless. Just because they didn't win gold one time everybody is upset and call other gymnasts undeserving. All these athletes are doing a tremendous job and all of them are equally valuable. Let's not diminish other athletes' work. If the Russian committee thinks they are the best in the world, well then why compete? Why don't they just organize their own tournaments and compete against each other? Where is the sportsmanship?

    • @rhythmicmusicswap4173
      @rhythmicmusicswap4173 Před rokem +10

      you are talking like Dina is not one of the most overscored gymansts in the history of rhythmic gymanstcis ... porbably only kabavea and kapranova beat her

  • @juanjoserochaduran6523
    @juanjoserochaduran6523 Před 9 měsíci

    Totally agree

  • @user-ui3zy8ce7t
    @user-ui3zy8ce7t Před rokem +1

    With hoop you can here a clear peep when exactly when she is done, so she did just end with the music since the peep is always part of it

    • @the21stCenturyofRG
      @the21stCenturyofRG  Před rokem

      But falling out of a pivot, and being behind the music is a deduction! What I will say, though, I don’t understand why her twin sister was 4th place in the final… she deserved more than what she got

    • @user-ui3zy8ce7t
      @user-ui3zy8ce7t Před rokem

      @@the21stCenturyofRG Agreed!

  • @MSquare20055
    @MSquare20055 Před rokem +10

    I really think Dina deserved gold.
    Even after some tiny errors,she still deserved gold.
    Linoy also had some errors too.
    I mean Yes,arina didn't got medal because she made a big mistake,but dina totally deserved gold .

    • @the21stCenturyofRG
      @the21stCenturyofRG  Před rokem +3

      People have different opinions about this competition! But at the end of the day Dina is the Silver medallists & Linoy is the Gold medallist! That will go down in history

  • @patem7379
    @patem7379 Před 3 měsíci

    Actually Dina's ball was worst performed at the Final and yet got a higher score than at qualifications, she didn't even had to be silver, yet her scores were higher than Arina who was clearly competing way better than Dina (bar the ribbon)

  • @alexisbrandon1911
    @alexisbrandon1911 Před rokem +4

    Thank you so much for this viedeo! If Dina would have performed like in qulification, she would have won. But she didn't and Linoy won. Neither is that unfair or bad judging.

  • @CJ_87
    @CJ_87 Před rokem +2

    I agree with you completely. There are so many channels that talk about this topic and most of them omit the mistakes you are showing. I just saw somewhere else when in her ribbon routine the music ends and her ribbon is in the air. Come on! And nobody says anything about this. Besides, it happened during her hoop routine as well. She performed one or two moves when the music was over. I love Dina but what with her back injury Linoy was much stronger that year. That doesn't mean, of course, that Dina has not had a wonderful career and is of course a most accomplished gymnast who is also loved by the crowds.

    • @johnalamariz2491
      @johnalamariz2491 Před 10 měsíci

      czcams.com/video/skTdv9UFE_w/video.html tis is the perfect example did anyone fight for this? Why a garbage routine with a drop/error/mistake got gold😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

    • @johnalamariz2491
      @johnalamariz2491 Před 4 měsíci

      Even when she drop ribbon at sofia 2018 wc and got got gold this maggots are silent cheerong for her😂😮

  • @saem_rg
    @saem_rg Před rokem +1

    i'm sorry to say, but the data you show in the video are not correct, there is a lack of knowledge about the CoP and objective scoring.
    To start with, the Pivot (side split w/ trunk at horizontal) is not 180 degrees, so it's not just ending with one step + loss of balance/stumbling into the hoop (0.6 deduction altogether), but the D itself is not awarded (no 0.5 pts);
    Ending with no harmony with the music doesn't result in a 1.50 deduction, but in 0.50! Possibly the very last AD wasn't awarded because there was no music during in it, but surely it's not - 1.50!
    Catching the ball with two hands is just 0.10 deduction, not a big deal at all, for sure it doesn't prevent a gymnast to get the gold medal with just an additional 0.10 deduction in E, etc...

    • @the21stCenturyofRG
      @the21stCenturyofRG  Před rokem

      Thank you for your comment! But let’s face it Dina was not perfect, Linoy had a higher body difficulty than Dina Averina… I believe Linoy was in far better condition then Dina as Dina had a back injury, and as a result, she couldn’t produce the difficulty that she is clearly capable of…. don’t get me wrong Dina is the best in the world…
      By far! And she has proven that by being a four-time world, champion! But it wasn’t her day at the Olympics… i’ve seen Dina produce far more difficulty in the past, for example, the world Championships in Sofia, 2018…. and even there she made a drop, and Linoy was spotless without fault, but the reason why Dina won on that day was because she had the higher body difficulty! And it’s the same at the Olympics Linoy was on top at the Olympics!
      And I’ve seen your channel and it looks like you do difficulty analysis on gymnasts! Which I admire… unless you’re a professional judge, don’t make those kind of videos either! But people do…

    • @saem_rg
      @saem_rg Před rokem

      @@the21stCenturyofRG I was not defending Dina in any way, never said she is the best in the world either, never made comparisons with Linoy... I was merely proving that your considerations on the OBJECTIVE scoring of the exercise are wrong. Just that! It's not necessary to be professional judges to read the Code of Points and apply the rules consistently, which you might have not done. Everything is written black on white, available for everyone to read. Aside from that, you have no clue who I am and what my path in judging RG is, you would be surprised! but I can assure you by all means that it's far more objective than yours. Also, I don't make Difficulty analysis only, you should scroll through all my videos and maybe take a look at a couple of them as well to learn something new about how the CoP, deductions, music in RG and all the other stuff works 🥰

    • @the21stCenturyofRG
      @the21stCenturyofRG  Před rokem

      @@saem_rg well, I appreciate someone telling me the facts, and I have no doubt that you are more advanced in knowing the code of points of difficulty and execution! But the key reason why I made this video is because I’m trying to show people may be coming out the pivot, and not having as much difficulty coming into the Olympics as she did maybe in world championships is the result of her losing gold! Thank you for your advice you’re clearly more knowledged in this then me :)

  • @MSquare20055
    @MSquare20055 Před rokem +2

    Linoy was so overscored in ribbon and clubs

    • @the21stCenturyofRG
      @the21stCenturyofRG  Před rokem

      Ribbon I agree with

    • @johnalamariz2491
      @johnalamariz2491 Před 11 měsíci

      Make your own analysis. We will wait for it, you have your own cahnnel right, seems your more knowledgeable than the judges, you have degree on sports? Show us, make a detailed analisys then:) your comment are redundant, nonsense.

    • @johnalamariz2491
      @johnalamariz2491 Před 11 měsíci

      Dina cany even beat sofia.rafaelli now. Be honest.🙄

  • @ladyxxsoul3772
    @ladyxxsoul3772 Před rokem +7

    давай ошибки линой?)или вы их не видели?ахахахх

    • @the21stCenturyofRG
      @the21stCenturyofRG  Před rokem +6

      These were obvious errors from Dina! Linoy only had 1 error but Dina had at least about 4 to 5 errors

    • @taniac4084
      @taniac4084 Před rokem

      @@the21stCenturyofRG Only one error?

    • @the21stCenturyofRG
      @the21stCenturyofRG  Před rokem

      Yes only 1 error!!

    • @user-jj7zw4qs5n
      @user-jj7zw4qs5n Před rokem +1

      ​@@the21stCenturyofRG у Линой были мелкие ошибки кроме потери , такие как не дотянутые стопы например. Все равно потеря огромная ошибка,по сравнению с мелочью у Дины. Тем более Линой тоже не идеальна и мелкие ошибки были .

  • @johnalamariz2491
    @johnalamariz2491 Před rokem +4

    If alina harnasko didnt drop her ribbon in Finals she can get silver for sure lol. Shes so much better than dina. Even sofia rafaelli i dont think Dina can beat her lol

  • @user-ly4lb9bl7m
    @user-ly4lb9bl7m Před rokem

    Есть СУДЬЯ ВСЕВЫШНИЙ, КОТОРОМУ ПОЛИТИКА НЕ ВАЖНА!!! ЗА КАЖДУЮ СЛЕЗИНКУ СЕСТЕР АВЕРИНЫХ ОТВНТЯТ!!!

  • @user-sl3wp2ps7d
    @user-sl3wp2ps7d Před rokem

    3 и 5 это с другого

  • @MSquare20055
    @MSquare20055 Před rokem +3

    I think Linoy was really overscored.
    Specially in clubs.

    • @johnalamariz2491
      @johnalamariz2491 Před rokem

      Not in her best shape thats it. Shes the best yes but not in tokyo alina harnasko so much better than her. She deserve bronze not silver.

    • @johnalamariz2491
      @johnalamariz2491 Před 10 měsíci

      We are still waiting for you analysis😂😂😂😂😂😂 its easy to say "overscore" but its so hard to prove it isnt it?
      You dont know how rg scoring done and yet your barking.

  • @hanaaamrani3997
    @hanaaamrani3997 Před 10 měsíci +1

    Linoy had always been overscored for the sake of her Israeli nationality

  • @weather9538
    @weather9538 Před 4 měsíci

    Linoy had Israel privilege. Dina was robbed of first.

    • @marwahussein666
      @marwahussein666 Před 3 měsíci

      Like Artem Dolgopyat in men's gymnastics 😅

  • @MSquare20055
    @MSquare20055 Před rokem +4

    I still can't understand how Linoy drops a ribbon and still gets almost same marks as Dina?
    Like seriously?

    • @brau_bj2060
      @brau_bj2060 Před rokem +3

      Couse this code had no limit on apparatus difficulty, Linoy went to the Olympics with the same difficulty as the Averinas but Linoy had higher Body difficulty

    • @the21stCenturyofRG
      @the21stCenturyofRG  Před rokem +3

      And on top of those little errors too

    • @johnalamariz2491
      @johnalamariz2491 Před 4 měsíci

      ​@@brau_bj2060only people with braun can understand that shes totally blinded by hate.

  • @pituniloveu
    @pituniloveu Před rokem

    I appreciate the girl's work, but fairness in sports is so important. It's not about our fondness or hatred but being fair and respectful of all the athlete's talent and work.
    We have our own beliefs about this. I believe that Dina deserves the gold as much as other people think Linoy deserves the gold it. Whether you like Dina or not, you should objectively evaluate her routines based on fairness and value criteria that have been set. Linoy's other routines could be stronger but remember, even when Dina was suffering her back injury, she only needed 0.150 to get the gold while Linoy should have received 0.3 more in the drop's deduction. There are some analysis videos that you can watch. Linoy was overrated and that drop should have cost her 0.7 deductions. JUST THAT DROP. 0.150 and 0.3. C'mon! A 0.3 deduction could have made a huge difference!
    No one denies Linoy. She was good, but def, not the best! I think we shouldn't dwell on this because it's traumatic for Dina and even Linoy. In the end, Linoy was known as the gold medalist. What a bitter truth but we have to accept it. No more dramas, no more hate or criticism.
    Peace!🤞

  • @plimvolilalloli589
    @plimvolilalloli589 Před rokem +2

    Linoy Olympic Champions 🥇

  • @thaliasetentaytres2275
    @thaliasetentaytres2275 Před měsícem

    Dina y Arina, auténticas reynas de la Gimnasia Rítmica, definitivamente fue un robo, la medalla de Oro era para Dina Averina y linoy no me gustó para nada, su actuación y sus leotardos horribles.!!