I am an old aircraft technician. I rarely had to heat the rivets before installation, and as others have commented, your rivets would be much stronger had they been heated entirely prior to installing in the hole. But, as this engine will only see limited work (compared to it’s life on the sugar plantation), I feel the strength of the joint is sufficient. Thank you for these GREAT videos. I can’t wait for the next.
Bonjour, What a pleasure for the steam passionate I am to discover this channel. Even if my collection is steam operated and functional model boats, steam is always steam and it is always interesting to go on learning on our passion. Furthermore, as Frenchie, I really appreciate your accent wich allows me to understand you easily and helps a lot when I have to fetch a technical word I do not know. I am a happy new subscriber. May 2022 be a great steam year ! Amicalement, Raphaël
This is an absolute tour de force. I am not an engineer just very envious. I have watched in admiration from day 1. Many thanks for the clearest and most informative explanations ever!
Wonderful progress Everyone. Yes We now have 2 part builds from the Steam Workshop with the Simplex being purchased for the boiler and wheels. She got re drawn based upon the 5 inch Fowler you did several years ago. I am calling her Fowler Complex with no axles near the ash pan and a standing platform to clean the smokebox out. Plus brakes on all wheels. Narrow gauge of course. Love David and Lily.
You guys have an amazing workshop and really cool jobs. Not a lot of folks get to do what you're doing. I used to work in historic racecar and sportscar restoration. In a lot of ways it's a similar business, you end up having to recreate a lot of parts from blueprints. But after every project there's a major sense of accomplishment. Really great work!
I'm in two minds about this project, its great that it's getting saved, restored and will rattle down the rails again, but I don't like the fact that it left Australia, we loose so much of our Mechanical history every year. I just wish we had groups like you here in Australia so we could save more pieces like this and keep then here. Loving the work you guys are doing though, keep the videos coming!
Thanks for that Jake. But you definitely shouldn’t be in two minds. The world is incredibly small these days and boarders are just signs. Worrying about where in the world a loco gets restored whilst watching hundreds of them rust away in large scrap yards does nothing for Australian heritage or for the engines themselves. For what it’s worth, we intend to bring our loco back over to run at Tully Mill, and if anyone over there wants it to be in Australia, they are welcome to buy it. The simple truth is that there are not enough people in the world willing to spend their time and money restoring all the old engines, so many will be lost. If someone finds a loco they want to invest in, then that opportunity should be seized. We can all worry about which bit of earth it sits on later. 🙂
@@TheSteamWorkshop Im probably more bitter at a few instances in in last few years where preserved, very early, Australian made machines have found their way over to the states against our poor legislation to try and prevent it. but you're absolutely right, at the end of the day the most important thing is getting them into preservation! id rather it lost over seas than lost to the elements. I'm definitely jealous of the enthusiasm and the skills you have in the UK, I wish we had more of it here! 🙂 as a young mechanical engineer, the drawings and engineering fascinate me. Love the videos and looking forward to No.5 returning to her former glory
@@TheSteamWorkshop" Worrying about where in the world a loco gets restored whilst watching hundreds of them rust away in large scrap yards does nothing for Australian heritage or for the engines themselves. "...I know exactly what you are referring too and you are of course right as a large number lay rusting not too far from where I live. BTW,we do not have open borders in Australia. 🤭
@@jakeminogue Mate and I 'used' to volunteer, restoring a Marshall Roller, Rockhampton City Council. The problem in Australia is finding those with the clout, to also have the sense to see what is going on. I have given up, (73) it's just so bloody mind numbing fighting the arseholes. czcams.com/video/aNSDCAeuNYU/video.html Yes, as much as it hurts to lose stuff, the main thing is, that it is being restored with "Love and Conviction". Well done to our mates in the UK.
Lovely to see engineering like that going. I have a Fowler Crawler and a couple of fowler stationary engines. What an interesting history that company had. Now sadly gone just like the rest.
Thanks for the videos. So much of restoration work goes on behind doors and we only get to see the finished item. Even as a volunteer on a heritage team railway I spend most of my time in the booking office or on signal box/blockpost duties.
Really enjoy this series. The vids belie the countless hours of work that’s gone into the dismantling and erection of this Loco. Steam engines are coarse brutal machines that can keep going even when everything is nearly shot, but rebuilding and reassembly has to be done to thou! But you still need big hammers. Thanks and good luck with more progress in 22
👍👌👏 Simply fantastic again and as always! Extremely well done again and as always (video and work). A lot of progress is shown, everything is coming together nicely. Congrats! Of course I'm eagerly looking forward to watch the next part. Thanks a lot for making teaching explaining recording editing uploading and sharing this great rescue and restoration mission. Best regards luck and health to all involved people.
Just found your channel and what a treat it is!!!! I will be watching all the other videos so I don't miss anything. Such a glorious engine to be rebuilding and preserving. Cheers to the entire team and thank you for taking the time to share the journey.
1/2 to 3/4 is torqued to 250 300 and 1 inches is 450 with a tc torque gun, tc bolt has a nipple on the end and a rivet head on the other the tc gun grabs the nipple turns the nut and then pops off the nipple at torque
Happy Christmas 🎄 guys. I really love this video on rebuilding the Fowler steam engine. The commentary and video footage is absolutely fantastic especially how you explain what you’re doing in easy way to understand it 🤩 Top guys cheers Stevie 🏴 👍🏻
It’s a good idea with the false rivets. Looks the part, But, if you should get corrosion on them in years to come it could be hard to stop them spinning when undoing.
Don’t worry, we have a plan for that. They are tightly fitted machined bolts so we think they are likely not to spin, but if they do, we’ll just tac weld the heads to the frames while they’re undone and the simply neatly grind off the weld afterwards. 🙂
Special thank you to you guys for the bit with Jenny step daughter keeps being told at school she can’t like trains because she’s a girl have just replayed that but and shown her Jenny working on the loco and her face has lit up and now she’s asking about trains again
Jenny manages to keep her nails perfect. They are even close to frame paint color! The faux rivets are press fit enough not to spin when you tighten the nut?
I was part of a group who built 7 1/4" model BFC models the bits we made were just smaller .. 6 in all were built .. sadly I am just about the only one left .
05:31 “A bit of a cheat”. Hmmmm, not really. It looks the part. Rebuilding a loco like Hells Phoney by effectively throwing away the entire loco and then claiming it as the oldest working loco in the UK, thát is a cheat. But choosing modern materials and modern construction methods carefully is not cheating, it is a practicality any railway company would have opted for had the loco still been in commercial service. I love the narration on the video. Well done
Fascinating series to watch. Do you have any youngsters you are teaching all these skills before they are lost. Also how are you stopping the nuts on the rivet headed bolts working loose? Steam loco's do tend to vibrate a little.🤔
It would be better to heat the rivets outside the frames with a torch or forge. Then the rivet will fill the hole and clench the plates together. Your method only forms the head and does not cinch the plates. Otherwise good work
Great series. You make quite complex jobs appear to be very straightforward! Rivet bolts are a very sensible idea, but without a proper bolt head what you you use to grab the rivet head when trying to undo the bolts, to stop the whole thing turning when taking them off?
Thanks & good question! They are all fitted bolts, so we had to hammer them in rather than just slide them into the holes, so the shaft is strongly gripped. But if they do spin, we’d just drop a spot of weld on the head to hold it, grinding it off after releasing the nut. 🙂
From a non engineer, Watching the skills of all is brilliant....thank you.....and the narration just as good...thank you again !
There must be a tremendous sense of satisfaction in renovating this hunk of scrap back to its original purpose
I never get tired of watching swarf coming off a job
I am an old aircraft technician. I rarely had to heat the rivets before installation, and as others have commented, your rivets would be much stronger had they been heated entirely prior to installing in the hole. But, as this engine will only see limited work (compared to it’s life on the sugar plantation), I feel the strength of the joint is sufficient. Thank you for these GREAT videos. I can’t wait for the next.
From a North Queenslander its nice to see such a careful restoration being done on old Number 5
Thanks for that Duncan. So hope to bring her over for a visit to Tully! 🙂
@@TheSteamWorkshop love to show you around the area and other steam items you may enjoy checking out.
An excellent video. Hello from the Tracy Mountain Railway in Colorado. 💙 T.E.N.
Bonjour,
What a pleasure for the steam passionate I am to discover this channel.
Even if my collection is steam operated and functional model boats, steam is always steam and it is always interesting to go on learning on our passion.
Furthermore, as Frenchie, I really appreciate your accent wich allows me to understand you easily and helps a lot when I have to fetch a technical word I do not know. I am a happy new subscriber.
May 2022 be a great steam year !
Amicalement, Raphaël
This is an absolute tour de force. I am not an engineer just very envious.
I have watched in admiration from day 1.
Many thanks for the clearest and most informative explanations ever!
Wonderful progress Everyone. Yes We now have 2 part builds from the Steam Workshop with the Simplex being purchased for the boiler and wheels. She got re drawn based upon the 5 inch Fowler you did several years ago. I am calling her Fowler Complex with no axles near the ash pan and a standing platform to clean the smokebox out. Plus brakes on all wheels. Narrow gauge of course. Love David and Lily.
This is so addictive,I find it so interesting well done !
You guys have an amazing workshop and really cool jobs. Not a lot of folks get to do what you're doing. I used to work in historic racecar and sportscar restoration. In a lot of ways it's a similar business, you end up having to recreate a lot of parts from blueprints. But after every project there's a major sense of accomplishment. Really great work!
Very nice with new screws. And they are self-made. The locomotive gets better than new!
I love your Videos, thanks for making them 🚂🥰😘
I love bundaberg fowler tank engines and this is epic, I've seen two of these operational before and they're very nice
Thank you again!
Excellent series.
hope to see it in action in 2022 ...
THANK YOU, KEEP THEM COMING. REGARDS R
👍 nice job. Finish is important and of course satisfying for everyone
Very beautiful work ,up you go the greasy spoon gang
Great stuffs guys! If only you were around the corner from where I live… 🇨🇦 Happy New Year!
Great series.
I'm in two minds about this project, its great that it's getting saved, restored and will rattle down the rails again, but I don't like the fact that it left Australia, we loose so much of our Mechanical history every year. I just wish we had groups like you here in Australia so we could save more pieces like this and keep then here. Loving the work you guys are doing though, keep the videos coming!
Thanks for that Jake. But you definitely shouldn’t be in two minds. The world is incredibly small these days and boarders are just signs. Worrying about where in the world a loco gets restored whilst watching hundreds of them rust away in large scrap yards does nothing for Australian heritage or for the engines themselves. For what it’s worth, we intend to bring our loco back over to run at Tully Mill, and if anyone over there wants it to be in Australia, they are welcome to buy it. The simple truth is that there are not enough people in the world willing to spend their time and money restoring all the old engines, so many will be lost. If someone finds a loco they want to invest in, then that opportunity should be seized. We can all worry about which bit of earth it sits on later. 🙂
@@TheSteamWorkshop Im probably more bitter at a few instances in in last few years where preserved, very early, Australian made machines have found their way over to the states against our poor legislation to try and prevent it. but you're absolutely right, at the end of the day the most important thing is getting them into preservation! id rather it lost over seas than lost to the elements. I'm definitely jealous of the enthusiasm and the skills you have in the UK, I wish we had more of it here! 🙂 as a young mechanical engineer, the drawings and engineering fascinate me. Love the videos and looking forward to No.5 returning to her former glory
@@TheSteamWorkshop" Worrying about where in the world a loco gets restored whilst watching hundreds of them rust away in large scrap yards does nothing for Australian heritage or for the engines themselves. "...I know exactly what you are referring too and you are of course right as a large number lay rusting not too far from where I live. BTW,we do not have open borders in Australia. 🤭
@@jakeminogue Mate and I 'used' to volunteer, restoring a Marshall Roller, Rockhampton City Council. The problem in Australia is finding those with the clout, to also have the sense to see what is going on. I have given up, (73) it's just so bloody mind numbing fighting the arseholes. czcams.com/video/aNSDCAeuNYU/video.html Yes, as much as it hurts to lose stuff, the main thing is, that it is being restored with "Love and Conviction". Well done to our mates in the UK.
Lovely to see engineering like that going. I have a Fowler Crawler and a couple of fowler stationary engines. What an interesting history that company had. Now sadly gone just like the rest.
Thanks for the videos. So much of restoration work goes on behind doors and we only get to see the finished item. Even as a volunteer on a heritage team railway I spend most of my time in the booking office or on signal box/blockpost duties.
verry impresssive and interesting video, The workmanship on the locos that I see on your channel is amazing and inspiring !
I really miss working on steam restoration.
Really enjoy this series. The vids belie the countless hours of work that’s gone into the dismantling and erection of this Loco. Steam engines are coarse brutal machines that can keep going even when everything is nearly shot, but rebuilding and reassembly has to be done to thou! But you still need big hammers. Thanks and good luck with more progress in 22
👍👌👏 Simply fantastic again and as always! Extremely well done again and as always (video and work). A lot of progress is shown, everything is coming together nicely. Congrats! Of course I'm eagerly looking forward to watch the next part.
Thanks a lot for making teaching explaining recording editing uploading and sharing this great rescue and restoration mission.
Best regards luck and health to all involved people.
You’re doing a great job! Keep up the great work!
Another great video,i look forward to them,thankyou.Well done all of you.
Excellent and informative! Thank you!
First time ever seeing this. I am excited to look back at your other videos!
Great work. My dad would have loved to watch all your detailed efforts.
Yes, it was fun again. I'll see you again in the next episode.
Happy new year to you all. An interesting project, enjoying the updates. 👍👍
me and my dad bought a 7 1/4 jessie of you and this series and helped me figure out bits and bobs to finsih of my loco
Only just started to watch this Series & I it really interesting so I now need to find the first Episode to catch up, good luck in the meantime.
Just found your channel and what a treat it is!!!! I will be watching all the other videos so I don't miss anything. Such a glorious engine to be rebuilding and preserving. Cheers to the entire team and thank you for taking the time to share the journey.
Que hermoso y delicado trabajo de restauracion estan haciendo con la locomotora
The whole rivet should be heated, this ensures when the formed rivet cools, it will shrink over its entire length and make a tighter join.
Absolutely, but unfortunately we didn’t have that luxury. They are still very tight, so we are pretty confident they won’t work lose. 🙂
Excellent work
Just found this project on CZcams. Watching the older content now, amazing work guys. Looking forward to following the rest of the build. 👌🏻
1/2 to 3/4 is torqued to 250 300 and 1 inches is 450 with a tc torque gun, tc bolt has a nipple on the end and a rivet head on the other the tc gun grabs the nipple turns the nut and then pops off the nipple at torque
Excellent content! Thank you🙏
Great video chaps , Scania only cold rivet their chassis frames
These videos are so great
Well presented and informative
Happy Christmas 🎄 guys. I really love this video on rebuilding the Fowler steam engine. The commentary and video footage is absolutely fantastic especially how you explain what you’re doing in easy way to understand it 🤩 Top guys cheers Stevie 🏴 👍🏻
Fantastic as always, really taking shape now! Look forward to the next episode. Happy Christmas guys & girls, have a great new year 👍
You can buy rivet headed bolts , or plough bolts are a good match as well. It's definitely a labour of love
It’s a good idea with the false rivets.
Looks the part,
But, if you should get corrosion on them in years to come it could be hard to stop them spinning when undoing.
Don’t worry, we have a plan for that. They are tightly fitted machined bolts so we think they are likely not to spin, but if they do, we’ll just tac weld the heads to the frames while they’re undone and the simply neatly grind off the weld afterwards. 🙂
Structural tc bolts would have been just right for that job
I suspect you could manufacture a new loco now with what you know. Plus some assemblies could be outsourced.
Special thank you to you guys for the bit with Jenny step daughter keeps being told at school she can’t like trains because she’s a girl have just replayed that but and shown her Jenny working on the loco and her face has lit up and now she’s asking about trains again
Ha,….. send her up! She can work on our engine any time! 🙂
@@TheSteamWorkshop I won’t tell her you said that she’ll think you mean it
Good work, wis I could have been there with some sort of laser scanner to measure up, would be useful for potential models.
Jenny manages to keep her nails perfect. They are even close to frame paint color! The faux rivets are press fit enough not to spin when you tighten the nut?
I was part of a group who built 7 1/4" model BFC models the bits we made were just smaller .. 6 in all were built .. sadly I am just about the only one left .
If I’m not mistaken the big drill is a 1” black & decker
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05:31 “A bit of a cheat”. Hmmmm, not really. It looks the part. Rebuilding a loco like Hells Phoney by effectively throwing away the entire loco and then claiming it as the oldest working loco in the UK, thát is a cheat. But choosing modern materials and modern construction methods carefully is not cheating, it is a practicality any railway company would have opted for had the loco still been in commercial service. I love the narration on the video. Well done
Fascinating series to watch. Do you have any youngsters you are teaching all these skills before they are lost. Also how are you stopping the nuts on the rivet headed bolts working loose? Steam loco's do tend to vibrate a little.🤔
Why do you not wear eye protection when using the angle grinder?
Excellent videos, one question though, how did you stop the rivet headed bolts from turning when you tightened the nut.
Fascinating restoration. How do you hold the rivet headed bolts from turning while you tighten them up?
It would be better to heat the rivets outside the frames with a torch or forge. Then the rivet will fill the hole and clench the plates together. Your method only forms the head and does not cinch the plates.
Otherwise good work
Fantastic video. Those rivets looked perfect!
What material did you use to make the forming tools for the press?
Keep up the good work!
So interesting! Your videos are so excellent! Question: Did you harden the bolts that you made?
I thought rivets were compressed with pneumatic hammers?
Would it be a good idea to add locking washers and possibly lock tight?
Great series. You make quite complex jobs appear to be very straightforward! Rivet bolts are a very sensible idea, but without a proper bolt head what you you use to grab the rivet head when trying to undo the bolts, to stop the whole thing turning when taking them off?
Thanks & good question! They are all fitted bolts, so we had to hammer them in rather than just slide them into the holes, so the shaft is strongly gripped. But if they do spin, we’d just drop a spot of weld on the head to hold it, grinding it off after releasing the nut. 🙂
Ahh. Got it.
But your a steam team,want some work,try Thirlmere railway museum,your still the finest team
Where is this loco going when it’s finished?
At 3.39 - grinding without goggles! Please ensure no-one does this again because once they have damaged their eyes they won't be much use to help.
bravo ,vous accepter un apprenti de 57ans qui demande a soif de savoir
Are you a voluntary organisation
This is looking to be a very interesting project. Can I just mention that your guys need to wear at minimum safety glasses.
We do a risk assessment for each process & wear protection where we feel it to be appropriate. 🙂
Please, a Bridgeport? As the grandson of the cofounder of Linley Brothers mfg makers of milling and riveting machines, I take offense. Smh😔🤓