Crimewatch UK September 1991
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- Sue Cook and Nick Ross present. Cases include the murders of 7-year-old Angela Flaherty in Huddersfield, Penny Bell in Buckinghamshire and Leeds prostitute Julie Dart who was found dead near Grantham in Lincolnshire.
I miss my old friend julie dart still to this day we were at school together as well. Bless her she would have been in her 50 s now rip julie xxx
I felt so sad about Julie Dart after reading her letter after being kidnapped. ;*(
And the bastard that murdered her Sam's is still breathing no justice.
Sick basted rip mrs
god bless you
She seemed like such a lovely young lady, Such a sad cruel way to pass away. The world is too evil for some people. Sorry for the loss of your friend Julie Dart 🙏.
Don"t know why the BBC ever took this programme off the air. Shame on them!!!
It didn't really work in the same way anymore. Was a product of its era in the end.
cutscutscuts and then made the show shite
@@michaelbowling4685 Yeah.I suppose things that don't change feel dated to new viewers, but they went way too far. Rav Wilding, as an ex police officer, had good potential, shame.
This kind of live TV doesn't work any more as most people watch on catch up. The viewing figures had dropped massively.
To all those who go on about how society has changed, doesn't work anymore, blah blah blah, listen. It is still on tv. The BBC insisted on trying to fix something that wasn't broken and messed it up. Check the lisitings, Crimewatch Live.
That's Rick Astley at 27.02! A full confession is what he's thinking of... But he's never going to give himself up!
😅
I remember the case of Julie Dart mostly because of the killer. He went on to bring the British prison services to court for ridiculous reasons. I think he even won a case if I’m not wrong. Michael Sams you’ll be meeting him downstairs in the next life if you already haven’t.
Julie and all the other women he killed may you rest in peace, dear angels.
The Stephanie Slater abductor?
I think that the harshest thing about the Julie Dart reconstruction is to know that Michael Sams would strike again AND that Crimewatch would feature it. But, that's the same for the Railway Murders of the mid-80s...
Watching the Railway Murders one at a time on these old shows and knowing that it was the same pair who were responsible was awful. As you say, same with Sams.
The 1960s-1990s were the "golden age" of serial killers. We saw quite a few of them on Crimewatch - as I recall, there was one episode in 1986 which featured the victims of a number of serial killers. We've seen Crimewatch cases of what turned out to be the Sidney Cooke gang - Crimewatch covered three victims: Mark Tildesley, Jason Swift and Barry Lewis. As I recall, Crimewatch also covered a number of the victims of Robert Black and Peter Tobin.
I worked with Julie Dart for a few months in a DIY store in Leeds. she was a nice person.
Very sad !!!! Stephanie Slater was covered on EVIDENCE OF EVIL recently on CBS Reality.
Cool sorry bo
Penny Bell's case had some developments. The police believe it was someone who knew her, and her daughter believes that she knows who did it - someone who had been pursuing Penny, but whom she wasn't interested in. A former neighbour, John Richmond, was arrested in 1992 after he sold a story to The Sun newspaper saying he'd been the man Penny had been with that morning. He also claimed to have been in a secret relationship with her. He was later released but then interviewed by police again in 1994 after he claimed that Penny had been the victim of a paid "assassin " and he knew who had ordered it. He said he was paid £30,000 by this man to keep quiet.
Probably her husband
Could be fantasy and made up
@@kevintraynor4508it's a very weird case. All round. Hard to know if he's so mentally ill that he actually did it. I wonder if the daughter was actually referring to him
It was Michael Sam's ex wife who called the police after hearing a tape recording on crimewatch. There is a crimewatch solved all about the case
Alison Blackwell yes he was caught when his wife recognised his voice early 90s I believe he's still in prison now
On the call he said "never mind" and she knew it was him because it was his way of shutting her down when they argued
Stephanie Slater.
Good evening all fellow Crimewatchers.Good evening RedCard74 it's that time again - Crimewatch time !!! Thanks again for the upload R.C Have a great evening one and all
The woman who played Julie Dart in the reconstruction played Mandy in Grange Hill in 1988/89.
Oh yeah, mandy freemont, i would never have placed her if you hadn't have said
You need to get out more, but after Lockdown LOL !!!!
I'm impressed that you know that.. but I found it good to know
The Julie Dart case is creepy enough on it's own - but of course it takes on so much more significance the following January and February
I wonder if Mick Reid ever rang in 😂😂😂 .I bet his mates were sat in the pub laughing,and decided to phone the incident desk.
The Penny Bell murder...never even close to being solved. It seems it was someone she knew who wanted to kill her. How well she knew him isn't clear. Business relationship or personal? Was he blackmailing her? She seemed fine though by all accounts. The envelope with £8k, worth way more back then, was gone. She was clearly struggling with the passenger as well, knowing she wasn't safe. He probably had a knife to her. Motive...that's the hardest part.
Tom Graham I’ve always thought it was a hijacking. The man keeps adjuuating her steering. It’s like she was trying to get out to get help but he wouldn’t let her. The car was expensive and it appears penny was well off. No idea how the money could come into it though. Maybe not linked in any way to her murder
@@MrJacksparrow07 interesting, and perhaps. But then why would she have been picking him up in that park? Her car was distinctive so you'd think the witness would be reliable. Although, that could be a red herring I guess as witnesses see all sorts in hindsight when their minds start to embellish. But on balance you'd still take that sighting seriously wouldn't you, and it suggests she knew him as according to the witness there didn't seem to be any commotion and no reason for her to have gone there. But still odd that he'd stab her in such a frenzied way in broad daylight. He must have been covered in blood too. Perhaps it was a robbery gone wrong...or an attempted sex attack from an unknown hijacker that went wrong when she resisted him trying to direct her to a remote place, and he just happened to notice a huge amount of money, or she tried to distract him with it and he took that and her life. I still don't feel certain of anything on that case. On balance I still suspect it was someone familiar to her, even if only through a phone conversation or a brief business interaction.
Very odd and very sad !!!!
CAR JACKINGS WERE VERY RARE IN 1991 !!!!!
The detective said he did not think the motive was robbery. What was it then? Revenge? Why carry £8,000 in cash. For business transactions pay through the bank. What did her hubby think about her taking this sum of cash from their bank account. Did she tell him what it was for?
Evening gang, hope all are well! Thanks again Redcard you star! Starting off with a murdered child. Couldn’t get much worse! Always struggle with these kinda cases 😢
Like many of us, I would expect.
I want the robberies as well
Excellent channel , good old programmes and no ads , thanks ,.
You are my hero mate, i look forward to watching these every night now. Keep em coming 👍
Same hear can't remember watching years ago missed loads must have been in pub
@@avagrace8893 did u say in another comment that your a glesga boy? I had so many of these episodes on tape but my mum threw them all out years ago lol
When there were pubs LOL !!!!
Eire still does a Crimewatch type prog !!!!
why hell do people kill 4 no reason
Thank you once again for posting Redcard!
Penny Bell case still unsolved - I had read a bit about this case but didn't know about someone being seen getting into her car near the woods or the truck driver following the car driving slowly. Perhaps neither of these sightings involved Penny. I hope her family will see justice done.
Donal MacIntyre had an hour episode on her case during his series a couple of years back.
Brendan Meskell I’d be very surprised if they didn’t involve her. The Jaguar XJS is a distinctive and eye-catching car, and was relatively rare and being seen near her home soon after she left and then on the likely route to the swimming pool at the material times makes it highly probable that it was her car.
It was on again about a month ago and it will be the 29th anniversary of her sad death on Sunday 6th June 2020 !!!
When crimewatch had a run just this past few weeks in a mid morning slot, they did a reconstruction of Penny Bell.She unexpectedly took quite a large sum of cash out of her account. I have a feeling she was being blackmailed him and maybe didnt bring enough to please the blackmailer.It was a very frenzied attack indeed
But would you kill someone who you are still getting money from? You won't get anymore from them if you do.
I think carpet samples were found in the car which would suggest it could have had something to do with that, but I think whoever did this wanted more from her than money and reacted in this way when they couldn't get that. I really hope this gets solved, having seen the recent appeal I get a feeling that the police now have someone in mind but need just a bit more to nail them.
Watching these children being left to roam in remote places is mind boggling.
Up until the late 80s/early 90s that was the norm...
No it wasn't the normal maybe in the 60s that was the norm. Most kids that done this got buggered
Thank you so much Redcard, been looking forward to this all day.
Excellent uploads as usual, thank you redcard74, always a guarantee NOT to sleep well tonight, lol thanks Nick Ross.....😀😀
An 18-year-old Anthony Craven has been sent to jail for murdering Angela.
How old was he then though? Xx
@@katemissfilanpurrmcdevitt .He was 18 when he committed the crime.
@@katemissfilanpurrmcdevitt if he was 18 now he wouldn't even have been born when the crime was committed 😂
Was he one of the people jumping down from the wall onto the road ??
@@muls9571. You are so clever, that you are stupid. Google the case, that is if you can read. And then bring your arse back here and tell me what you read.
Another early upload many thanks RedCard74! 😁 evening CW UKers!
This presenting team were perfect for this show. Sue Cook and Nick Ross were great front people with their calm, non dramatic delivery, and the police officers reassuringly "police like". I don't feel that the following presenters quite got the right note
Agree, though Jill Dando was quite good and well respected, Fiona Bruce I actually thought did it well and was a good co-presenter. Kirsty Young though was dreadful she always looked like she was sucking a lemon the entire time, she always looked very rattled too after each reconstruction and had to give is her own view on each crime as if she were the Daily Mail or something. I didn't rate Jeremy Vine either or Rav, but the production values had become so bad by 2015-17.
The 18 year old who murdered Angela Flaherty was only given a 17 year sentence and was released in 2009. Shockingly lenient!
Yeh..sick. Where do these bastards disappear too?
Does anybody know why craven only got 17 years? If someone did that to a child today they would get life.
Wonder where he is now.
That's not actually correct. He was sentenced to be "detained during her majesty's pleasure,"
@@sabercrosby8128he was actually sentenced to be "detained during her majesty's pleasure" - something which was used as a version of a life sentence for juvenile offenders, which he was at the time.
I'm from Huddersfield and remember this episode being aired when I was 16 Local girl murdered :(
Does anybody know why craven only got 17 years? If someone did that to a child today they would get life.
@@sabercrosby8128I was just thinking the same thing. I live in Huddersfield and was about 13 when this happened and I remember the police taking blood tests from men in the local area: this was a few years before DNA testing became widespread in the collection of evidence. From what I can remember of the guy they caught, he had learning difficulties which rightly or wrongly, account for his short sentence. I think he was even caught in one of the press shots with police chatting to local kids in the area and he was sat on his bike.
What always surprised me was the lack of national media coverage this story got at the time, in comparison to say that of the abduction of Sarah Payne 9 years later. Obviously it got shown on Crimewatch, but there seemed to be much more of a national outcry with the Sarah Payne tragedy.
@@dominicberesford5459its down to the parents if they want fane or not, nost decent families will refuse to want fame for it so the press don't bother with it
The Penny Bell reconstruction is not quite how I remembered it ... I could recall her being seen with a man in her car, but I'd always remembered a moment where passengers in another car (or possibly a bus) saw the woman fitting Penny's description mouthing "Help me" to them as she was driving along that busy road??! ... I was waiting for that bit, but it wasn't there, so I'm now wondering if I've mixed up this one with a similar case on CW?? ... Any ideas CW fans?
Ah ... I've just watched the December 1991 programme and seen the update on the case... THAT's what I could remember
@@roberthowell2726 you're thinking of the Seeboard lorry hijack in June 1993 where the guy was told to take his trousers off and was in the back of a car and mouthed help, police
@@rs-qt1qg Yes I've seen that one - that involved passengers on a bus ... But it was definitely the Penny Bell case. Like I say, I've since realised that it comes from an update on the case in the December 1991 programme ... A new witness says he saw her mouthing "Help me" ... That was what I'd remembered from the time and thought it was in the original reconstruction
There's an American car manufacturer Dodge that has a car called DART, the promotional tagline is "Don't touch/mess with my DART" I always think of the Julie Dart case
I don’t trust witness descriptions of suspects after watching Crimewatch stage a fake robbery to see if the public could recognise the suspects. Most of them described the faces differently.
Edit: Not their fault of course, people don’t usually study strangers faces. Even if you do find them to be strange.
Many people have been wrongly convicted of crimes-even executed in the USA because of either deliberate lying by an eyewitness, or regular flawed eyewitness testimony-sometimes driven by deliberate police tactics in showing them photos with the main suspects face blown up on a copier to twice or more the size of the others, or dressing them a certain way for the identity parade different from the others.
I can vividly remember when I was about 8/9 years old minding my own business playing marbles in the school playground & suddenly a teacher from the infant side appeared with a young girl who was saying I had stolen her marbles & the teacher automatically assuming I was guilty, thankfully the kids I was playing marbles with vouched for me having been there the entire time & the marbles I had were mostly very distinctive Marvel Comics ones. The teacher made the kid say sorry.
Being accused of something you didn't do has got to be one of the worst experiences! My friend and I went to a party, we left right away because everyone was much older and we were teens. We had been invited, perhaps because I lived in the building. The next day the phone rang and I was accused of stealing a camera. The camera was found after few hours in their closet. But what if one of the grown-ups had taken it?!
Evening All ...
I believe penny's own car was used, probably difficult to get one in the same colour. PC Christine Ashby had the unenviable task of driving the Jag in the reconstruction. She must have a strong stomach. I wonder what became of the vehicle given it's value at the time. Although people were hardly queuing up to buy it, if it's still around could any DNA evidence be obtained given the progression in modern technology in the intervening years? Penny's murder was an horrible waste of life, totally senseless.
That barstewards had 17 years for that little girls murder so probably out years ago
In from Football and this is waiting for me. Win and a classic Crimewatch! Cheers Redcard.
Watching programmes like this makes me wonder how creative men can be in the crimes they commit.
Yeah that's what normal people think the art of murder!
@@MrThedonheadYes, and women never commit crimes, do they?
Just watching last of the summer wine but this in next on my list to watch. Thank you.
I'm sorry to hear that. .
Me too.
When Julie Dart called her boyfriend
The rock group The Doors song Light my fire was playing in the background. RIP Julie 🙏💔
23:40 The detective: "We have a home video of Penny which is a very good likeness of her..." Well of course it is a very good likeness of her you fool - because it IS her...!!
And so a very good likeness...he tells no lies!!
Where is the sound ? Upload again please, with the soundtrack.
Penny died in Perivale and l liked in Northolt was before l moved there. But l have been to the leisure centre. Shame still not clue as to who killed her. I would look at the babysitter again!!
They did a reappeal a couple of weeks ago when Crimewatch was on in the mornings.Also McIntyre did an Unsolved programme about this. She took a lot of money out of her account for no apparent reason. I wonder if she was being blackmailed over something. She was seen with a strange man in her car. Sad 30 years later it still nowhere near solved
poor penny bell. 27 yrs later and her murder is still unsolved.
Now it will be 29 years on Sunday 6th June 2020 !!!!
@@IanP1963 they know who killed penny bell, but cant prove it.
What's your take on it then ?
www.thisislocallondon.co.uk/news/18456288.letter-gurnell-memorial-fitting-tribute-murdered-penny/ - I had following letter published in Ealing Times recently !!
Can't they still follow up on any old DNA samples at all ? Is the Jag still around I wonder ?
Evening all
I'm here again fish and chips a beer plus crimewatch now that's a night :)
Beats watching the garbage they put on Tv now.
Actually you're not wrong made1984. It's become a ritual I'm also enjoying watching the crimewatch files.
@@chucky2316 Never seen much of those, my parents used to watch them.
I'll maybe get round to watching them sometime.
RIP Penny,very sad case
29th anniversary of her sad demise this week !!!
15.13 - i've been watching these in order but very slowly. So wasn't there a body found in the GU canal a couple of years prior to this featured in previous episode? Just saying.
28:53-George Galloway.
Medium weight,did you see the size of the witness they had to say that
They did a fantastic job with the Julie Dart actress it almost could be the real thing.
smck 2016 I thought so too.
Yep, makes a change from some of the non-lookalikes. A couple of episodes back Sue said the reconstruction actress looks nothing like the victim-wtf?
@@Hi-kq1vi they probably couldn't get anyone who looks close enough to her. Not that weird.
@@Hi-kq1vi this was sometimes deliberate casting and mention of a lack of resemblance where the victim was still living, in order to protect them.
Anyone know anything on the unidentified “John Doe” man at 28.00? Not very good to have his eyes closed.
PhotoCall! Looks like Ken Barlow
Incredible likeness & not too many years ago Ken was also accused of sexual acts with minors.
I thought it was at first 💯
Thank you dear boy !!!
‘Cushty’ 🤣 Funny to know the word was used way back in 91!
@@UncleJay101 Yeah, was about to say David Jason was probably the one who bought it into modern parlance in the 1980's.
Yeah Del was cushty Rodney was cosmic lol
Del boy
Why did you stop in 95
27:02 Rick ‘rollin ca$h’ Astley! : D
19:10-Graham Gooch moonlighting.
I wonder who the second man was jumping out from the copse
Probably somebody different, but possibly the same person but they got the description wrong. Eye witness testimonies are often very wrong. Whoever it was, they got the killer fairly quickly.
Sue Cook...the older she got the fitter she got.
She was posh Totty Jolly Hockey 🏒 Sticks Type of sexy Englishwomanhood
❤❤❤
Yes, that’s what I used to tell her …
RIP Angela she would have been my age :(
Really sad I was just five she would’ve been 35 now such a sickening thing to do to an innocent child RIP sweet princess Xx 😢😢😢😢😢
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From a Huddersfield Town AFC website:
"...the police came onto the pitch to appeal for information regarding Angela Flaharty. We were playing Bradford [City] and you could have heard a pin drop. We had a 'friendly' against Leeds [United] the day she was killed. It was eerily silent and quite moving, I remember looking at people near me thinking it could have been them."
Anthony Craven was a sick pervert who had sex with her and then killed her to keep her quiet. 😥
David Batthews WTF? Do we know if he was caught? Xx
Yes. He was caught and served 17 years. Sadly he has now been released. 😥
Ken Barlow and a guy with a cocaine vest on photocall ffs
Anthony Craven was teased for not having sexual experience, so he chose Angela to "practise" with 😮😟🤬💔 He hit her head with a brick to shut her up. He was 18 yrs old at the time. So the age the witness gave wasnt a bad estimate. May Angela Rest in Peace 🙏🏻🌹
thank you redcard :)
31:38 isn’t the female friend the same actress in the reconstruction for the Wendy Speakes murder in 1994 the women who had the killer on her doorstep and she wouldn’t let him in
wow, the penny bell reconstruction.
I read somewhere that the Jag in the reconstruction was the actual car she died in, I couldn't have acted or driven in it !!!!
@@IanP1963 I wonder what happened to her car afterwards
@@loulou7963 Good question !!!!
@@IanP1963 you would have thought the evidence and DNA in there would be huge. There is no way her killer could have been that close to her for that time and left nothing behind.
@@loulou7963 You would have thought...!!!!
27:03 Rick Astley
Thanks Redcar)))
Love it.....keep them coming
Notting Hill Carnival murder never got solved it appears.
thanks, i came to the comments to find out.
28:34 - tunup? I’m here thinking that sound like tun-up which is Jamaican for turn up…just a thought lol
Thx redcard74
36:09 Michael sams did drive a red car when he was arrested
Vanilla orange Austin metro
Why would you write a letter stating that you have been kidnapped? its very strange...
You wouldn’t find it strange if you took the time to find out Michael Sams forced her to write it.
Looks like David Duchovny @ 27:02 😆
27:02 Rick Astley ?
Julie darts killer used to work for my uncle.
Lenora Paige wow bet that felt to close to home!
Did he find him odd/creepy, or just a normal employee?
My cousin used to work with the Darlington cannibal aswell (weird links to murderers in my family) I was only little when they found out but I overheard a conversation about him a fee years later, from what I gather he thought he was weird, but would obviously never have guessed that. He was just a casual cash in hand labourer for him, from what I've heard he actually worked for him at the time. My uncle said if he'd of known he'd of given him a hiding (his words)
Lenora Paige congratulations? 🏅
Brilliant 'serious' music.
Penny bell???? Another famous unsolved mystery
Woody pecker2020 how the hell is this murder unsolved ?
Because it still is. It's the 29th anniversary of her sad demise this week and Sunday will be the actual 29th anniversary date !!!!
i was probably somebody close. business co-owner maybe. husband. it sounds like a contract killing. the way that it played out it sounded premeditated. contract killer for hire. husband or feud with another business.
the taking the money was just to try and make it look like a robbery.. to throw the cops off.
The ultimate mystery or who-dunnit !!!!!!!
Was angela Flaherty murder ever solved?
Yes
Yes, a local 18 year old was convicted. His friends had been teasing him for not ever having sex, so he attacked a kid. Obviously had quite serious problems.
@29:45 Hugh fearnley whitingstall
hi all
Did Julie Dart ever appear on Bullseye?
Did your brain ever have a lobotomy
IT'S TRIGGER AND DENZEL CUSHTY !
Always bother at that festival
28.00 LOL
"I could see his waist quite clearly, which looked 28 to 30 inch" - clearly a black guy.
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I barely remember
my dad was in this episode 33:45
Was he an actor?
@@redcard7475 yes he was!! he doesn't do it as a job anymore but occasionally cameos in things
@@lunamakesfilms That's great, did he have a copy of this already or was it the first time he had seen it for a while? Always good when people have a special link to a case or reconstruction.
@@redcard7475 my grandma most likely has a copy of it but this was the first time he'd seen it in a while
@@redcard7475 he was also in the crimewatch episode a murderer's game as the same role
16:18 guy has a Cocaine top on lmao
i remember all of these cases the julie dart case was solved but it was along time coming penny bell case has not been cause at that time there were not a lot of people about but i think its someone she knew and the little girl i dont know but there seemed a lot of child murders back then
Penny Bell case is still unsolved sadly, 29 years on Sunday 6th June 2020 - may she RIP !!!!
Angela Flaherty's case was solved. A local teenager. There did seem to be a lot of child murders then.
HelloHelloHello Redcard
Oh that's him hes got fair hair whats whatever mean 😂
Grunge 🎸🛌
Was Angela's murder solved?
Yes, Alison. The killer (Anthony Craven) was released in 2009.
@@janettemohan5056 what no way
Early tonight.
Mrs Richards: "I paid for a room with a view !"
Basil: (pointing to the lovely view) "That is Torquay, Madam ."
Mrs Richards: "It's not good enough!"
Basil: "May I ask what you were expecting to see out of a Torquay hotel bedroom window ? Sydney Opera House, perhaps? the Hanging Gardens of Babylon? Herds of wildebeest sweeping majestically past?..."
Mrs Richards: "Don't be silly! I expect to be able to see the sea!"
Basil: "You can see the sea, it's over there between the land and the sky."
Mrs Richards: "I'm not satisfied. But I shall stay. But I expect a reduction."
Basil: "Why?! Because Krakatoa's not erupting at the moment ?"
Evening all
It’s four in the morning ffs.