The Flagellum Bacteria: Proof of Design?
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- čas přidán 29. 12. 2022
- When reporting on the subject, mainstream western media portray Intelligent Design (sometimes referred to simply as I.D.) as a battle between religion and science, between the ignorant and the educated, between people led by blind emotion versus logically minded scientists. But is this what it’s all about?
What a creator we serve .
No proof whatsoever about any Creator. And also no proof whatsoever about us serving him.
How can someone make 2 wrong assumptions in a single sentence is beyond me...
First you assume that there is a creator by simply smelling your nails and going "tHeRe iS a CrEAtOr dUh... DoNt yOu sEe hOw cOmPleX tHiS mEcHaNiSm iS?"
And then you also assume that not only that is true, but also that you are a servant of that God.
That's not logical thinking, that's schizophrenia with a good dose of Stockholm syndrome.
Amen
Slavery...well covered in the bible
Serve on....
I rather worship Jesus in discovering and science than traditional worship. That's the beauty of the living God, we can know him in many different aspects, some one vibe, some in workmanship or some in the aid of helping others. God is nothing short than a mad scientist in my books.
Thank you for both the information and the quality you put in these videos!
... is AWFUL.
Thank you for your kind words. Glad you enjoyed our content.
How can we test whether an organism has been intelligently designed or not? (Or even ascertain the degree or stage of intelligent design.) Do we just have to guess? Merely saying, "Looks like intelligent design to me," isn't science.
There is indeed no way to test wether something is truly designed or not. The reason structures like this look like they have been designed by someone is because they work, sometimes awfully well. The reason we only see structures that work is because the ones that don't have been lost to extinction billions of years ago already. If you look at the way the human eye is constructed, with the layer of cells capturing the light placed behind the layer of neural cells that send the information to the brain under the form of electric signal, I doubt you'd think it was designed intelligently. That's because it wasn't designed, it's just the way our eyes spontaniously evolved to be, and as that fault doesn't hinder our vision to the point of compromising our survival, it stayed.
If every complex thing needs a designer, then the designer of flagellum must be extremely complex and therefore he needs huge gigantic designer himself and maybe it will carry on to infinite numbers of designers 🤔
It doesn't work that way. The designer of he Universe for example, is outside of space and time, and has always existed. Within space and time, we know it all had a beginning.
@@flamingswordapologeticsSo god can do anything because he exists outside the rules of logic? That’s a pretty silly argument
@@oberonpanopticon No, because He exist outside of space and time, which we KNOW has a cause, by the laws we observe, therefore, the Creator must be outside of this.
You either believe all of this came from nothing, which is truly and utterly illogical, or you believe it was created.
Life is running on a program, DNA is literally code.
@@oberonpanopticonOur logic is at most only 10%. To say The Creator that created both time, space, this insane cell and literally everything we see lives somewhere in that percentage is pretty insane to say.
Logically minded monsters made earth unavailable😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢,
This is referred to as
“Irreducibly complex”
And this will be fun
Great video.
Thanks!
Stop equating the whole of evolution with randomness or blind chance. No evolutionary biologist makes that claim. Evolution is not a random process it is a guided process.
Hi Critical Thinker, can you tell me who or what is guiding this process?
It is guided by natural laws.
@@MrFossil367ab45gfyth well said
@@raymondquinn4529 "can you tell me who or what is guiding this process?"
Selective pressures.
Evolution is a tool of god to make thing to its eventual form or make. Most people mistaken god as one who created us and will punish us when we commit sin. That is very illogical human must use his logic to know the truth, religion is such a big scammmmmmmmm.
You need faith and science. One with out the other is like a bike missing a wheel. You will go nowhere and be stuck defending your position. No person should stay ignorant. It leads to stagnation. It is in you and all around you. Embrace life. The marvel of nature is beautiful
Simultaneously believing that some things needn’t be proven and don’t have to obey logic, and that all things must be proven and must obey logic. Yep, totally rational.
The facts doesn't add up. It's illogical !
Thank you god for also inventing the complex molecular machinery that allows children to get diseases that rot their bodies from the inside out 🙏🛐 only a loving creator would test us so thoroughly
1:53 Why is his animation is so out of focus?
go get em
My question to theists is this: If god wanted to make a flagellum why would he not fine tune the universe so that they’d evolve naturally?
Why go to all the trouble of setting up the Big Bang just right if he’s gonna have to come in and tweak stuff every now and again? He’s all knowing and all powerful, so it’s not like he couldn’t have set it up from the beginning so that the flagella would emerge naturally.
And don’t give me that “god works in mysterious ways” stuff. Nothing happens without a reason.
Thirty years ago, I studied that the eyes were irreducible complex, that they couldn’t have evolved over time. But scientists subsequently showed how they could evolve.
Now, with flagella, they certainly are vey complex. But I think research already is showing that they developed from much simpler forms, maybe even for different uses.
A motorboat engine also couldn’t have just appeared either. Somebody invented pistons, a small engine, a propellor, spark plugs, wire, bolts and so on.
Show us those experiments please. Even the simplest bolt needs to be exactly precisely designed to fit the other parts. Hoe is this different? We see an INSANE complexity and cooperation of parts. But somehow it must have evolved because we believe it. Great argument!
Most excellent example of how impeccable our Creator is, Mr. Weston! 🍎🍎🍎
Nope, that's just a God of the gaps syndrome. Just because we don't know how something's done, then it CAN'T have an explanation... It MUST be made by a magical and mystical being that somehow cares about what you eat and who you have sex with...
A Big F to you and to your god of the gaps.
The problem you have is that you are utterly impermeable to knowledge, as usually happens with religion and religious people. All what this man is saying is false, but you don’t care, do you? You have your bible’s ideas about Universe, and will refuse anything that they tell you that goes against it. I would suggest to you to study, to read and to follow well prepared people. If they speak about theology, listen to a well documented priest, but if they speak about science, go to a scientist!
Steven Muller and John Tour are some of the best at speaking on this topic at an Academia level..
Lol
Hilarious, he can't even get either of their names right. Not off to a good start there Vince.
This has been explained and debunked.
The flagella motor actually is way more efficient when a specific human made mutation is inserted, so clearly God didn't choose the best one I guess.
Also, flagella can still move and function even when some proteins are changed. It's a little more or less efficient and fast, etc but again, this just shows that you don't fully understand it.
Sure I'll believe everything you said at face value😂
@@mrhow2712You’re willing to have faith in the bible, and that’s more than 2000 years out of date. Why’s a CZcams comment such a leap?
DNA is God's complex code for human programming. Just the letters G,A,T,C can be sequenced in such amazing complexity that there is almost no one who is genetically identical to you. Even if you are an identical twin, triplet, etc., you probably don't have identical fingerprints to your identical sibling(s). God engineered us all to be unique.
Thank you for the comment--DNA is a fascinating example of design!
@@TomorrowsWorldViewpoint No it's not.
There is NO conclusive proof that there is intelligent design there let alone design from a supernatural being that cares about our sins and hears our prayers.
At best, this is inconclusive. So to draw a conclusion about something inconclusive MEANS that you have an agenda, that doesn't care about the scientific method and draws conclusions too early and too dumb.
Science prevails, religion and the "God of the gaps" is a dying breed.
"DNA is God's complex code for human programming." No, DNA is chemical. These are chemicals behaving exactly as chemicals behave.
"Just the letters G,A,T,C can be sequenced in such amazing complexity" Failing chemistry and being amazed that it works, does not give you license to cram your superstition into the science and act like it belongs there.
"God engineered us all to be unique." Shitty engineering sounds like you give your imaginary friend excuses. Why does it need YOUR excuses? Or do you have no scope at all? Maybe this should be a clue: birth defects destroy any concept you have of your imaginary friend being just, good, or even balanced. The fact that you will get cancer, or you know someone that has or will get cancer shows a shitty engineering job if that is what you want to stick to. The concept that you talk out of the same hole you eat with instantly murders many of the population due to choking, is that good in your eyes? Now stop being dim.
No, there IS nobody that it genetically identical, not 'almost' nobody, and twins fingerprints are ALWAYS different, similar, but different. They may look the same, but put them on a fingerprint locator and they will not come up a perfect match.
And the fact that you can string together four characters or symbols to be of "amazing complexity' means absolutely nothing. I can do that with ONE string of TWO characters, and in fact, in a computer, exactly that happens, with trillions of bits, in a decent home PC. If you want to picture it, or do it, just take any irrational number, like pi, for example, and put the number of zeros shown by each successive number in the string, follow it with a one each time, and you can make something so complex that it is INFINITE, which means literally infinitely more complex than DNA. The fact that you don't realize that, and even moreso, the guy that uploaded this video doesn't in the answer he gave, speaks volumes.
Not to be mean, but you just took your final conclusion, that their is a designer, based on literally nothing, tried to sound smart to 'prove' it, and fell flat on your face in the attempt. If you are a kid, just ignore that last sentence, you have a legitimate excuse, and stop reading here.
If you are an adult, you need a class in logic and the most basic of patterning theory, if there is such a thing. If we are engineered, god is a HORRIBLE engineer. He did dumb things all over the human body, and I'm talking things that are ludicrously stupid. You religious types should REALLY leave the science and math and engineering to those types of people, unless you are one, and if you are working as one of those, I see some problems in your future. Much like the Russians, with their smokers, and claiming more tanks killed than the Ukrainians even had, and more Bayraktars shot down than were EVEN PRODUCED at that point, in total, you just sound goofy.
@@MrJdsenior it's interesting to see two sides of a subject like the example here with the original post and your reply, belittle the other since they're so certain their bullshit smells better so "logically" must be the right choice.... and when you break down to the fundamental level of our sciences you quickly find that most of it is strictly theory and is as plausible or easily proven as someone who is religious or spiritual as the answer to life's mysteries.... Which is where I'm at at this point and maybe the only thing thats certain which is the fact that we don't know much of anything thats based upon proof with evidence of repeated results in experiment and instead made it up to satisfy the fear of not knowing we have figured out how to bury but is still held by all of us.... And hell if we think we're so smart and have figured anything out then we must truly be like a retard at fat camp excited and full of confidence to win the science fair award for example in the fact that we still fight wars by following orders given by fellow retards that hold power we give them and send us to die for them when they could care less about us
Stop calling people by their last names. Call them by their first names.
Intelligent design is obvious everywhere. Only fools don't see it.
Only the willingly ignorant
God is amazing
TLDR:
this guy thinks that because something is complex and not yet fully understood it must be from some intelligent creator.
Highlights to note:
limited reference material showcased and a clear agenda given in the context.
Opinion:
Blind chance is an incorrect assumption, billions of failed iterations likely came before as is the basic process of natural selection, we don't see them because they failed or were removed from the gene pool by more successive and favorable designs.
some interesting points raised nonetheless.
Better than finding a computer on a beach and thinking it grew from the ground😂
@@mrhow2712
I completely agree, It is in fact best not to make wild guesses but instead try to fathom logical conclusions with the empirical evidence to support them.
incredible - no doubt created by an engineer
I'm into ID, but I accept evolution and natural selection. Just give things time and they'll setup and balance out. I think God used these methods to let life diversify into it's many forms.
Stephen Meyer has done much to convincingly demonstrate that the “given enough time, anything is possible” fallacy by showing in countless instances the astronomical odds against the immense complexity of bio molecules, membranes, cellular activities arising from random, blind processes.
John Lennox has also demonstrated the impossibility of evolution in explaining Life.
The origin of existence, consciousness, of all physical laws, of what we call life itself, is not explained in anyway by Neo-Darwinism.
It's more interesting to study the way things self organize with the help of energy, rather than just say God did it.
... 'more interesting'... but interpretive b.s. just the same... lol
Science is great - when you stop ignoring the facts.
Yes it's better to pretend that things build themselves even though you never see it around you anywhere😂
In a paper by someone has been written that intelligent design hypothesis is quote “ridiculous”; hence I’m now putting forward an argument about how ridiculous your arguments are based on that. We especially need to understand that this theory is made of a very complex combination of lack of basic scientific knowledge and common sense. As such it cannot really be the fruit of chance but surely is the byproduct of an intelligent design.
And the earth is flat.
2023: getting mind blown by a hair protruding from a bacterium ?? yess !!
Darwin's Theory of Evolution is simply wrong....I figured that out years ago.
You are simply wrong....on multiple levels.
@@Steelmage99 so I'm wrong on multiple levels but I haven't made comment on multiple levels, I've commented on Darwin's principle only.
@@robertnicholson1409
"so I'm wrong on multiple levels"
Yes.
"but I haven't made comment on multiple levels"
Of course you have.
You are wrong, because you are hung up on Darwin.
Modern biology and evolution have moved on from and refined Darwin's ideas.
That is one of the levels on which you are wrong.
In addition, evolution is an observable fact and the theory of evolution is demonstrated to be correct and productive on a daily basis.
That is another level on which you are wrong.
Here is the thing;
You can disagree with evolution as much as you like, for any reason you like.
You can claim it is unsubstantiated made up nonsense all day long.
You can state that it is impossible and in violation of several known laws of physics.
You can proclaim that it contravenes the teachings of your holy book.
.................But at the end of the day, scientists are using evolutionary theory every day to better mankind, in fields such as computing, agriculture, medicine, biology and ecology.
You might not like it. You might think it is lies straight from the pit of Hell.
Your feelings about evolutionary theory doesn't change the demonstrable fact, that it is used successfully every day.
You might as well try to argue that aerodynamics is wrong, despite planes flying around.
You might as well try to argue that modern medicine is wrong, despite people being cured and infections prevented all the time.
You might as well try to argue the Earth is flat, despite travel times and fuel consumption being successfully calculated using the ball-Earth model.
Your feelings on this issue simply doesn't matter.
@@Steelmage99 there's a lot to unpack there. Have you ever thought about therapy or phycological counseling because I think you're having personality problems. Best to get these things seen to before they become more serious.
@@robertnicholson1409 You are trying to change the subject.
You can wriggle all you want, little fish.
Your feelings about evolutionary biology doesn't change the fact, that evolutionary theory is used every single day in diverse fields to better mankind.
Pure bull.
How did this anti-science bollocks appear on my feed?
Let's be VERY clear on this subject.
Biological evolution is science, it's supported by other entire fields of science.
ID is creationism, a beLIEf.
We can contrast the two, but your attempt to blur the lines by elevating a beLIEf to the same status as something so well understood, so well documented and measured, it shows a level of ineptitude and dishonesty that needs to be looked at.
If your goal is to use fallacious logical argument to support some iron age fable, that is recognized.
If your goal is to change the science or change minds after they have been exposed to the science, you are wasting your time.
It looks like your goal is to make money on the backs of the ignorant. That's shameful.
No refutation, eh genius? You cannot demonstrate a physical pathway from ape skeleton to human skeleton. You cannot demonstrate chemical pathway of ape DNA to human DNA. You cannot demonstrate two distinct gene codes evolving at exactly the same time to produce both XX and XY humans. But for some reason you still beLIEf it. No such thing as species evolution, but you beLIEf it anyway. Remember "junk DNA", genius? I do. You liars still haven't apologized for lying about it because you're liars.
You cannot account for multi purpose, multi function cell parts. You cannot demonstrate one single example of evolution of single purpose into multipurpose.
All you have is appeal to authority, which is ALWAYS wrong. haha.
@@ludwigkirchner08 "No refutation, eh genius?" Refute what exactly? Assertions without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. Are you saying that you stand by ignorance as a methodology?
" You cannot demonstrate chemical pathway of ape DNA to human DNA." Chromosomes? Maybe you have not heard of them. Maybe your level of education is kept so low that it's beyond your understanding. DNA is a chemical. It behaves as a chemical. This is not mysterious nor is it magic.
"No such thing as species evolution, but you beLIEf it anyway." Not sure you get the basics. Do you have ANY education is biological evolution at all? If not, then WHY are you maligning something we have measured? Maybe you need to read that again.
"You cannot account for multi purpose, multi function cell parts." So on and on in an argument from ignorance.
Let's make it easy for you. Show your methodology for determining truth that you apply equally to everything, without hipocracy. When you show that you have none, you can slink back into your cave of ignorance. You offer NOTHING.
"All you have is appeal to authority, which is ALWAYS wrong." How is the consensus of scientists globally based on numerous fields of science in support "an authority"? Last checked, you had an iron age plagerized fable's origin story as your only source. Got anything better than your avoidance of education, and writings from before we had toilet paper?
@@frosted1030
And it's you that is stuck in 18th century fantasy quack science land. You still believe in germ theory, right? Because you appeal to authority. But remember when Bechamp DEMONSTRATED proof that it was quack science? No. You don't remember because you never read. Same with quack Jenner. You still believe in vaccine theory, right genius? Because again all you have is appeal to authority because you've done zero research on your own. Remember when Creighton and Biggs DEMONSTRATED vaccine theory to be quack science? Nope. You didn't know that either. You are stuck in 18th century "pre-toilet paper" era science. You probably still beLIEve the electrons orbiting the nucleus nonsense, eh genius?
@@ludwigkirchner08 "it's you that is stuck in 18th century fantasy quack science land." Not sure what you are referring to, try and be specific.
"You still believe in germ theory, right? Because you appeal to authority." Let's see.. a scientific theory.. vs.. what? Some nonsense? Come now, you are unarmed flailing about now.
"But remember when Bechamp DEMONSTRATED proof that it was quack science?" LOL You think that had anything to do with discrediting biological evolution? LOL
"You still believe in vaccine theory, right genius?" Again.. you are stuck between epidemiology, viral immunology, and what? Nonsense, again.
"Remember when Creighton and Biggs DEMONSTRATED vaccine theory to be quack science?" See, this type of drek is why you have no clout. You attempt to quote mine, appeal to fringe, and wow.. not one citation. Nothing. LOL
"You probably still beLIEve the electrons orbiting the nucleus nonsense, eh genius?" Let's break this down for even the lowly theist:
1. You don't have a clue what you are talking about. You have demonstrated a lack of knowledge, lack of process, and lack of methodology.
2. You want to discredit biology. Go for it. Completly, use your "ignorance" methodology to discredit all of biology. Waiting... oh look, you came empty headed and empty handed.
3. Back to the original piece. ID has ZERO qualitative methodology behind it. We know it's pseudoscience. Why? Because there isn't so much as a model, or even a single scientific paper written to outline the concept (in an established peer reviewed scientific journal). This is because IT'S NOT SCIENCE. Simply put, creationism dressed in pseudoscientific clothing convinced you. That's a reflection upon you. Instead of defining and finding support through qualitative methodology, you rant against entire fields of science. So what? You are no one. Nobody cares.
Go back, do your homework. When you can produce a methodology for determining truth that you have applied equally to ALL THINGS without hypocrisy, let's talk. Until then, you are spouting nonsense and you are dismissed.
beLIEf system like the big fake bang
Well it can be explained by blind chance because we live on a planet that's billions of years old.
The Human mind is just too small to understand how much time that really is.
But even if this is some sort of design. It doesn't mean that it's a design from a supernatural being.
At MOST, it would be a design from some kind of being that is infinitely more powerful or complex than us, maybe even created the entire Universe on its own, but that only puts it in the ballpark of transcendental.
It would simply transcend our understanding. But simply because we cannot understand it doesn't make it supernatural.
And the CORE crux of every religion, is that "God" is fundamentally supernatural (aka: magical). Which means that "God" defies ANY possible scientific explanation which makes religion the OPPOSITE of knowledge.
Im sorry but you had made some good videos on this channel. But I can see now that you, just like the woke are EQUALLY fanatics.
Im sorry but I'm an Atheist. And also sorry for the woke but I'm also NOT woke. But most of all, I'm against fanaticism.
Unsubscribed.
By the way time doesn't solve the issue with spontaneous generation. RNA degrades as fast as a tall glass of milk in the hot sun, at room temp and you cannot get polypeptide to form in an aqueous environment. The ones that you can form are less than 1% oligomer >3 and these quickly break down in water hence the water paradox. Go read their book. You might actually learn something.
God has not called everyone to understand.
@@daniellecole1026 That's not how understanding works.
Understanding something requires EFFORT. Not smelling your nails and going... "Uh... God made duh"
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And exactly how is it that you know the age of the earth? You have faith in the statements of others. Or you have first hand knowledge. Meaning you were there at the beginning?
@@hitthelikebutton9611 I don't believe anything.
I just take the scientific consensus of the rough estimate of the age of the Earth as more likely to be true than not.
I don't feel an urge, to believe something for the sake of believing. I feel more humble saying "I don't know" than saying "I know conclusively".
The most likely scenario is that the Earth is indeed billions of years old, just like science tells us. But science could be wrong, so I keep some percentage of doubt for that to not be that way...
I'm happy that my belief isn't conclusive, and that I include all possible scenarios.
But a supernatural, basically magical God, is not a possibility. Since magic makes no sense. There is no logical way of thinking that can get you there.
And I believe that the world should make sense. Not necessarily to us Humans, but in general there should be some way for everything to make perfect sense.
If you believe otherwise, then we hit a roadblock, our discussion ends here. But if you think that the entire world should make sense, then there is no room for magic in it.