"No Longer Veganâ 2018-2024 - The REAL Reason Plant-Based Dieters QuitâŠ
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- Äas pĆidĂĄn 6. 04. 2023
- Why are they no longer vegan? Here's the REAL reason plant-based dieters quit...
Why do you think we are seeing an influx of ex-vegans? Let us know in the comments!
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A Vegan You Tube channel, Veggie Rose bought a dog from a breeder a few years ago she was upset at the feedback from many Vegans but also had many so called Vegans siding with her it was awful to see how many apologists there are. Buying from breeders is cruel and not Vegan.
#adoptdontshop
@@Incredible43 So if you are not a vegan then you can shop and not adopt.
Iâm certified in plant based nutrition - within the studies we discovered that there are those who are gluten intolerant, but it goes beyond that. One thing the studies have yet to dive into are bacterial and viral loads. Someone who has celiac disease actually just had a bacterial or viral load overgrowth - it feeds off the gluten and itâs neurotoxins cause disease. Modern science calls this an autoimmune disorder - the body attacking itself in many cases; this is what they say when they donât really know thatâs going on. If someone has brain fog, thatâs usually neurotoxins from the Epstein Barr virus (EBV). EBV will feed off of: heavy metals like mercury from fish, eggs, gluten, GMO soy and corn. Most people donât have overgrowth so they can tolerate these foods, however others can have chronic illness that modern science has yet to unravel. Source: NYT Best selling author, Medical Medium. If more got educated on the information theyâd never have to leave veganism; instead they could learn how to knock down the viral loads and live a healthy life with the least amount of impact on others.
@ happy gilmore. Why not, at least by having no regard for dogs non vegans can be _consistant_ .
Adopt from a shelter. Don't support breeders.
For sure!!
Support your local butchers
@@rondarkman. Hell yes.
Why?
â@@rondarkman. lol how bitter most someone be that makes a whole CZcams channel just to trigger vegans? đ
Her brain was not functioning proppertly? So that was not the drugs and alcohol then?
And definitely not the traumatic brain injury she got as a child when riding the bike with her dad, LOL.
@@Ella.L. I see your point, but I do not find a "traumatic brain injury" Funny.
@@RainWalking Jesus... my LOL was in regards to her blaming everything on the vegan diet instead of the actual horrible things her brain went through.
@@Ella.L. Jesus was not vegan or vegetarian either. Well you made the statement and then LOL at the end of the statement.
@@RainWalking Seriously? Sigh... why do you take everything literally and make a big deal out of it? We both mean the same thing. Let's leave it at that.
I've been vegan over 30 years, it's not that hard đ€·ââïž
Be careful you don't go senile. Your brain needs fat. It's made of fat.
Sometimes i have vegan food next to my meat great balance
Playing pretend for 30 years must be exhausting.
You literally use animal products just like everyone else here.
You know you don't have to play pretend to comment right?
@@rondarkman. Not really
@@DBASSDAN
It actually is
A hard lesson for vegans to be less reliant on influencers and focus more on nutrition advice and better everyday meal planning I think. Good video đ
But it's supposed to be about the animals. Nutrition be damned.
Or maybe actual science and then realize that humans are not herbivores....
ââ@@tinknal6449egans preaching the wrong message. Classic.
There is no child deficiency. But there is a choline deficiency, and its affecting 90% of Americans. #1 source of choline is egg yolk. #2 is liver at 65% RDI. #3 is caviar. #4 is fish. #5 are mushrooms at a measly 21% that is far less bioavailable.
#antinatalistforthekids
#antiveganforthehumans
An overwhelming majority of supposed 'nutritional science' is either one-off studies or propaganda campaigns paid for by the supplement industry & animal agriculture. Focusing on nutrition is not a good idea.
@@tinknal6449 Where are your fangs for ripping apart flesh that every other meat eater has?
Humans are opportunistic eaters, we can eat whatever. And one opportunity is to not participate in the most horrific & cruel act of violence this planet has ever known.
Miley quit smoking weed thatâs certainly made a difference to her brain function đ
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Itâs hard sometimes realizing how many people donât care about animals even though they say they do but glad to see certain people do care and show it with their actions
Yeah, I believe if you eat animals, you shouldnât call yourself an animal lover youâre just a species. Not you, but Iâm talking about those others that say they love animals, but they will eat a dead cow.
Wow. I also started eating wfpb after reading The China Study at my doctor's insistence. I then saw some factory farming footage, so now eat wfpb for the animals as well as health reasons. It helps me to have multiple reasons. I don't always do it perfectly, but am still trying.
The China Study has been proven to be a farce many, many times.
Reason #1: They weren't vegan for the animals(did it for personal health reasons)
Reason #2: Ignorant about nutrition
Reason #3: "Convenience"
The problem, for the vegan movement, is that there's no contractual element involved in beginning a 100% PB diet &, therefore, no requirement to seek permission to quit. The Vegan Inquisitors have no sanctions available to them!
It's obviously not healthy as you say. Do you hate yourself so much that u wanna make yourself sick?
@Radical Ponder đCatch 22! You need to prove your sanity before being permitted to "go vegan" but going vegan is considered to be an insane thing to do.đ”âđ«đđ€Ł
Or they woke up to the lies of veganism.
@@NevilleWran6666 Nah, we woke up to your lies. That's why people go vegan.
I think most of those influencers have narcissistic personalities. It just fits the narcissistic personality type pretty well to have all this attention and admiration. And they probably never were vegan for the animals in the first place, but rather for the attention. And the second they realized that ex-vegans get as much attention as vegans... they jumped back onto the band waggon.
You hit the nail on the head. Whatever gets them views.
How true.
I always think of the women from south park when I see these type of influencers. czcams.com/video/ENEBRFOVuXI/video.html
I wouldn't stay that's true for all of them, but there are definitely narcissistic personality's amongst them.
@@vioheubach3112
That's why I used most. đ
Omg. Going vegan made me realize how strong I really am. Once I saw how easy and lifechanging it was for me, followed by observing others acknowledging it is the right choice, but not being open to living in alignment with their own morals because of social pressure and addiction shows me how weak they are.
Meat makes us go weak at the knees. Yummy.
It's not a matter of weakness, it's a matter of discipline. Vegan diet is more work. Especially for families. I would
suggest a vegetarian diet instead, whereby fish and eggs are included.
I do fine with a vegan diet, and lots
of homemade meatless alternatives.
@@carollen5633 I will stick with my cow, it is made of grass after all.
ââ@@NevilleWran6666 Yeah, it's been proven to be noxious to the body over time, so that makes sense about your knees what with the inflammation and all. Take care of them knees! It's a shame you don't feel empathy for the pain cows go through, but maybe some day you will.đ€đŒ Maybe consider getting a blood test and take care.
â@@NevilleWran6666 Dude, maybe just stick to the plants then and do the next generation a favor.
The Miley one always cracks me up - as if reducing the copious pot use wouldnât have substantially helped her cognitive function LOL
Iâm certified in plant based nutrition - within the studies we discovered that there are those who are gluten intolerant, but it goes beyond that. One thing the studies have yet to dive into are bacterial and viral loads. Someone who has celiac disease actually just had a bacterial or viral load overgrowth - it feeds off the gluten and itâs neurotoxins cause disease. Modern science calls this an autoimmune disorder - the body attacking itself in many cases; this is what they say when they donât really know thatâs going on. If someone has brain fog, thatâs usually neurotoxins from the Epstein Barr virus (EBV). EBV will feed off of: heavy metals like mercury from fish, eggs, gluten, GMO soy and corn. Most people donât have overgrowth so they can tolerate these foods, however others can have chronic illness that modern science has yet to unravel. Source: NYT Best selling author, Medical Medium. If more got educated on the information theyâd never have to leave veganism; instead they could learn how to knock down the viral loads and live a healthy life with the least amount of impact on others.
You are so silly! That was a good one!đ
yep and the mental health decline following her divorce
Veganism is more damaging to brain function than pot.
I guess the people without a plan have less success. Same goes for every other aspect in their lives.
Don't wing it! đđ
Meat is meat as far as health impact. Same with birds, fish, eggs, dairy products. It doesn't matter how they're treated, which is a moral factor on top of the health impacts.
There are plenty of professional science backed long term studies and successful vegans gaining muscle, having life changing health for the better. đ±đ
I've been vegan for 11.5 years, and have been poor as hell for most of that time.
Anyone can do it, you just.habe to care enough to try when things get tough.
You just habe eh?
You literally use animal products needlessly for entertainment.
No need to make things up.
@@janieswanson2549 sorry I can't spell.
And I only use humans for entertainment.
@@zenape619 You use animal products needlessly for entertainment.
Being in denial doesn't change that.
I accept your concession since you can't refute me.
Watch Out Janie Swanson is back in the comments gonna debunk all of our vegan asses with her expertise đđ must be a troll in disguise as a Karen
â@@janieswanson2549 Perpetual troll. It's so obvious when an omnivore is threatened by the vegan lifestyle. Why should you care unless you have some deep-seated guilt about consuming animal products.đ
That part about salmon inducing a wet dream was hilarious đ
No it is sad and poorely... and that is all it is...
Lol yep it was hilarious. Not something to brag about in public if you are polite. Heâll give granny a heart attack.
Enjoy this one. The human brain is sixty percent fat and twenty percent cholesterol. Neither of which you can get from vegetables. Don't starve it.
@@pepper419Your liver makes all the cholesterol you need. Give it a Google. You donât need dietary cholesterol, that just leads to heart disease. â€
đđ I can sortaaa relate because I was vegan for a few years and then ate one egg and the next day got my period after not having it for about 3 months. (And donât tell me itâs about calories because one egg is like 80 calories)
Iâve been vegan for 17 years. The only health issue I had was low iron. Which I also had as a non-vegan. These people were never vegan but instead plant-based dieters with a low key eating disorder. đ
It only took you 3 words to start lying.
You literally use animal products needlessly just like everyone else here.
No need to play pretend.
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I also had low iron before going vegan but actually never had low iron again, lentils changed everything. I know you also can change the amount of iron your body absorb from eating lentils by associating with lemon for example (water and lemon for me)
U do know more animals are killed in making the vegan crops from the Polly tunnels to Farmers having to kill of all the local wildlife because the crops grown for vegans are highly attractive to pests. The fact that you fly in all your food from 100s of miles away.
That having more fields ploughed leads to alot more carbon emissions because how much is stored in the ground.
Or that the methane cows release is net 0 along with the fact methane isn't a pollutant that needs to be worried about. We're part of a natural food chain we're made to need animal products.
Cows enjoy being milked, sheep need to be sheered otherwise they'll die of heat exhaustion.
Who do you think maintains our beautiful landscapes farmers yeh and they need to make money if it's not used for farming the lands going to just disappear for other purposes ruining our landscape
@J Slice Exactly. The "No True Scotsman" fallacy.
In my opinion, the fault is also of the vegan community which elevates to its spokesmen VIPs and influencers, people often without awareness about their diet. We should support more vegan activists, nutritionists and environmentalists.
I don't like influencers at all. I only support credible animal rights activists like Earthling Ed and Joey Carbstrong. And of course plant based doctors like Dr Michael Greger
And you should support empathic and human approach towards people who have problems adapting to plant based diets instead of shaming people who eat meat
In my opinion I don't see a community being Vegan. Although that would be nice. I don't support activists or environmentalists because we should
leave others decide what they like. Although it would be nice if more would convert to a vegan diet, for the sake of their own health. The more you try to shove concepts or ideologies into people's throat, the more they do the opposite. Take care.
@@carollen5633 A big problem with the concept of a vegan world is that we would still need to kill animals in order to control their populations.
@@carollen5633 thing is, most people actually agree with the ideology, but because they find it hard to practice (change is always difficult) they then act like they are fine with animal abuse.
I have been vegetarian for 50+ years and vegan in the last few. It happened when they killed my calf. The doctor in the family said that I would die. My whole family died instead, all of cancer in the following ten years. I have always thought I was spared because of help from the animals.
I always wandered if my dad died of a rare pancreas cancer because of his cheese indulgence. What types of cancer did your family die from ?
@@Tanouuuu breast, bone, and probably colon ( too advanced ).
Only the good die young.
All the Vegans seem to live for ever?
@@IvyMay-qn2ys Very true: all the animals people eat die young!đđđŒđŸ
I turned vegetarian after working near 2 slaughterhouses in Southeast PA. Seeing those cattle and pig haulers coming through our pattern every 2 minutes with the animals thrashing around and screaming inside those trailers was absolutely horrifying and heartbreaking to me! I had trouble driving home from work the one day
I never wanted to be vegan, but stopped eating meat and dairy for health. Then realised that animals didnt have to die just because Iâm hungry and havenât looked back. Sometimes i miss a pizza piled with carcass but quickly remember that is bits of people and not food and i come back to reality. 58,000,000,000 a year is absolutely heartbreaking to me and i hope i never forget it. RIP to all those people that didnât have the luck of being born as a human âïž
Animals are not people, you do understand that right?
@@NevilleWran6666 they are people. It is you that does not understand
HappyCarnivore
We are all earthlings though m8, cows share 80% of our DNA, pigs share 95% of our DNA, it is said that human flesh tastes just like porkâŠ.
So if you couldnât get a beef burger would you have a friend for dinner?
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lol. animals are people.
â@@NevilleWran6666 They feel pain, fear, happiness, loneliness, just like people. They are very much like us in the way that matters.
I've been vegan for 12 years. I researched how to maintain my health by taking Vitamin B-12 and D3 and now I take an algae based EPA/DHA for my Omegas. My arthritis disappeared, my aches and pains disappeared. My son went vegan and now they can't find any signs of his Ulcerative Colitis. I also care about animals and once I learned about how we raise animals for "food" - I stopped eating animal products. I've never been sorry.
You use animal products. No point in lying about being "vegan."
It's good that you admit that only plant based diets aren't good for you since you decided to start supplementing to make up for what you lack.
@@janieswanson2549 40% meat eaters worldwide are also B12 deficient and FYI, a majority of all supplements are sold to meat eaters. Vegans don't use supplements made with gelatin capsules. If you go to most supplement health store you have to search for the vegan capsules to get vegan supplements, so obviously non vegans use a majority of supplements that do not say vegan or vegetarian capsule on their bottles. Also DHA from Fish oils is extremely popular product so don't tell me that meat eaters don't use them... Most people need to supplement with something now days to achieve optimal health. These are no reasons to argue or fight with a person who is making a dietary health choice for whatever reason. You do you but don't say these stupid arguments and think you're winning some war. That's so sad.
â@@janieswanson2549supplementing for the lack of nutrients in the soil is fine. Even carnivores need lithium and magnesium, it isn't in the soil.
If you have to take supplements then it isn't a sustainable diet or a natural diet for that matter. If we can live as vegans by taking supplements then you can for sure make the argument that we should in order to reduce suffering. But don't claim the diet itself actually works. A diet only works if it requires zero supplements.
U eat like my grandma
Veganism is the life-style of abstaining using animals and their by products, so even thought it is particularly related to diet, it adopts the philosophy that rejects the commodity status of animals. A plant-based diet, is a diet - the people who eat plant based may have little concern about speciesism and the use of animals as commodities. Vegan is a label on food packaging which makes people think of it as only a diet. The is nothing extreme about veganism, just sensitivity of seeing and knowing how poorly humans treat animals for their personal gain, a bit like when one feels angry about those who mistreat pet dogs/cats etc, vegans care for all animal species and wish for a peaceful life connected with nature, respecting life and our planet, the best way we can. If veganism is extreme in any way, then it is extreme in compassion. For those who simply do not understand this, are still caught up in old traditions, and may never understand...
It is extreme hypocrisy and inconsistency.
You literally use animal products needlessly for entertainment pleasure while pretending to be against it.
At best, you're just on a plant based diet just like everyone else claiming to be "vegan."
Plants are sentient being that feel pain and communicate with each other. This has been scientifically proven. And you murder them with no thought to their feelings.
Got nothing against on vegans, but preachy ones (especially who doesn't concern on human health or condemns those who continue omnivorism) are annoying and triggering.
Vegans for religious or dietary reasons are fine with me. I wanna transition to Piscinetarian or Polotarian to Lactovutarian (Eggs and Milk Vegetarian) until I can totally go Plant-Based (tho I'm poor so relying on pills and supplements may still be financially detrimental so, slow and baby steps).
I think as much as Vegans advocate against animal abuse, they fail to realize there's no perfect method to sustain each people, and exploitative animal factories are to blame for taking advantage of humanity's need for sustenance... Unlike the olden days of hunting or primitive farming where selective breeding isn't too extreme (or at least merciful slaughter/single stroke killing) but with rise of modernity/urbanization and the need to feed plenty, it can't be avoided...
No better way is absolute nor they are perfect. It's just baby steps.
I used to hate veggies as a kid but growing up, I know veggies are good for me and that animals (and plants) are living creatures too, deserving of life and freedom from suffering. Often, I just say to myself... Death is a mercy... Free from pain and that their death means they're free. It's still unjust yes but we're still nowhere near a time where animals aren't needed for sustenance.
Instead of being judgemental and condescending, we should try to understand each other's shoes or perspective.
Iâm 70 and have been vegan for over 15 years. Iâm healthier than Iâve ever been. I weight train three times a week, and the only medication I have to take is thyroxine because I had my thyroid removed 30 years ago. I didnât even do it for my health, but it has been a happy accident. There is absolutely no excuse to not eat plant based, especially when you see the horror of animal agriculture. There is no ethical way to eat flesh, or milk or eggs.
There is more horror in plant agriculture . Animals are killed to protect the crops that you eat. You are eating a living thing that actually screams when you eat it. That living thing you eat has defense mechanism to it cause it wants to live and pass on its seed . Humans have been hunting animals for 10s of thousands and thousands of years raising live stock . If live stock was let loose and allowed to be freed they would get hunted down to extinction or near extinction by predators . Have you seen a field and how it looks from mono cropping ? There is plenty of "excuses" not eat plant based . Sorry but life is harsh and with that comes harsh realities. So there is no ethical way to eat the plants that are living and the animals that are killed to protect that plant you eat that is box ripen and not picked from you in nature like it was for 1000s of years until modern day . Veganism is also a modern concept . Man will always eat animals until evolved from it not pushed away from it from the likes of a vegan population of maybe 2% of the world population and agenda globalcons .
But hey you do you . Eat all the plants you like and I will eat all the meat I like .
I raise my own chickens. Treat them as pets. And I eat their eggs. What is unethical about this? (the original chicks were not from a breeder. From a friend that has been keeping chickens as pets for 20 years).
Great, 90% of the stuff you eat to make up for the proteins and fats you're not getting from meat makes me vomit, people have allergies. And lastly, you're ethics are not my ethics. And I'm sure theirs plenty about the ways you live your life I could pick apart as being unethical according to my views. So get off your high horse.
4 years on a COLORFUL and DIVERS WHOLE FOOD plant based diet. Reduced alcohol consumption 2 years ago. Stoped alcohol 2 months ago. Swapped caffeinated coffee for matcha green tea 2 weeks ago. Feeling great. Lots of energy. Lots of focus. Blood tests are perfect. Same for my partner.
Good work
If an influencer is chasing a bigger following, a sure-fire way to do that is to be pumping out material which makes the biggest number of people feel good about their bad habits.
Sadly this is very true. đ
Bingo.
Like vegans! All vegans.
So true
Love that you said "Plant-Based Dieters" in the title, PBN, because that's all they ever were -- at best.
Every member of a cult says the same thing about those who leave.
@@ikemreacts Funny how many heard someone say veganism is a cult and just repeat it like drones in comment sections without understanding what veganism is and what cults are, let alone how to explain how one is the other.
@@thebowandbullet Every cult member says "I'm not in a cult!" until they leave. It is a new experiment. This is undeniable. How presumptuous of you to think you understand dietary requirements better than Native Americans, ancient Africans and all traditional people, NONE of whom were vegan. That's why I know I'm right and you are wrong. It's as simple as that.
@@ikemreacts Your reply proves my point perfectly. Thank you.
@@thebowandbullet As usual, refuse to engage with the subject of the argument to avoid cognitive dissonance. When you eventually quit like all the rest, you will then admit you were wrong. Laughable.
Great video. When people assume Iâm weak on a vegan diet, Iâll ask how many marathons they have done. None? Iâve done five and feel great! Stay strong and eat lots of beans!
You hero đđđ
But most marathon runners eat meat, so what is your point?
@@NevilleWran6666 Exactly, that's the point. Vegan or not, it doesn't matter with proper training.
@@nmoyer Yep, steak is my preferred protien.
â@@NevilleWran6666 are you slow? The point is he's able to do it.
I think they just have mental health issues cause their entire life is build around their YT channel and an online presence. It seems that going from one extreme to the next is one of the only ways to stay relevant in this buisness and knowing how dissociated someone can be from the real world by living on the internet, it makes a lot of sense why these channels exist. Let's be real, if you got health issues, the one time you eat animal products isn't actually cleansing you of that. But it certainly helps your view count if you make a video about it and sell bullshit.
I was especially disappointed about Cosmic Skeptic, because âseafoodâ is slowly suffocated to death when itâs hauled out of the water. Of all the animal flesh humans consume, thatâs probably the most cruel.
I love seafood was up in North Queensland last week had a platter of prawns,bugs,oysters and salmon, everything that happened to these seafood was worth it for my taste.
I'm flying down to Tasmania soon and trying their local seafood products I can't wait
Goes to show Cosmic Skeptic never cared, it was all just a show.
No - religious slaughter is the most cruel - but you never see leftards campaigning against Halal or Kosher where animals are cruelly bled to death - because that would upset some of their protected groups.
đ the Rawliverana âhiding her fish â thumbnail pic is forever iconic
If you have health problems, go to a doctor. Me and my wife have been vegan for 4+ years now. Sure we have had some problems, but nothing that could not be solved with still keeping a vegan diet. I had some blood sugar problems as I was eating too much carbs and my wife had a minor iron deficiency - both of which we solved - I reduced carbs in my diet and my wife started to eat more iron-rich foods and took some supplements for a while, and now we are feeling great. I can't imagine going back to a non-vegan diet as I have researched a lot and seen so much suffering from animal products. It bothers me that people who have understood the suffering they were causing can so easily go back to consuming animal products. For me it's worse than people who have been eating animal products for all their lives and really did not understand (or did not want to understand) the suffering they were causing.
You literally use animal products needlessly for entertainment.
No need to make things up.
@@janieswanson2549 Can you elaborate on that? I just expressed my opinion and said what bothers me. The world is not ideal and some suffering will always be involved, but my goal is to reduce it as much as possible.
@@ogthegreat "but my goal is to reduce it as much as possible."
Then you are failing your goal.
Like I said, you literally use animal products needlessly for entertainment.
Needlessly = possible to avoid.
YT is an entertainment platform.
Animal based stearic acid (livestock tallow) and animal based activated carbon (livestock bones) are the industry standard in processor manufacturing.
How did you comment without using something with a processor? Smoke signals?
I accept your concession because denial is not an argument.
I did and my doctor said to eat eggs as I was showing choline deficiency symptoms. He said oysters for my diagnosed iron deficiency. He said salmon for the omega 3 deficiency. He basically told me to stop being vegan and eat a lot more animal products to fix my deficiencies. So yeah. My doctor's orders. đ€·ââïž
I couldn't tolerate many supplements for a long time too. I try to get it from the diet but its best to include supplements to heal from those 4 months.
â@@carnivoroussarah A doctor that eats animals is going to give you advice that supports their beliefs. If you had gone to a plant-based doctor or nutritionist, you'd have been told something completely different, just saying.
As a 12 years of vegan male at the age 52 now I'm:
- 178 cm hight and 76 kilos weight
- Blood pressure 110-70
- Heart beat rate 60
- Hungry blood sugar level aroung 80, fed 95
- No chronic disease
- No disfunctional body effectiveness
- Reversed rheumatism and stopped taking anti-rheumatism pills.
And I need to add:
- B 12 tablets are needed
Within last 2 years I discovered that beign vegan is good but not enough to be healtiest if you consume:
- Processed foods
- Oil/fat
- Refined sugar (fruits are OK)
And I believe that not everybody has the same body type, which work for me can not work for everyone but work on majority and there may be exceptions. I believe "Whole Food Plant Based Diet" is the best style for health. Sorry about avoiding chips :(
"And I believe that not everybody has the same body type, which work for me can not work for everyone but work on majority and there may be exceptions." True point.
No traditional society has ever eaten a plant-based diet save for starvation conditions but of course, this is the first time in 40 years anybody has suggested this to you because you live in a vegan echo-chamber. Veganism is a fad and new Western experiment. I don't know why you people believe you are better than old cultures who ate meat and had zero carbon footprint while you rack up thousands of air miles every time you set a plate.
I agree VEGETABLE oil is really bad. Animal fat on the other hand is good for you.
@@lukebruce5234 It's not good for you if you have high cholesterol, it's not good for you. And if you eat it all the time it will give you high cholesterol and high triglycerides.
we know are a cheat
I was 15 when I first tried to be vegetarian (for ethical reasons). I failed miserably and was feeling sick because I had no idea how to cook well, about basics of nutrition and I was one of those who thought vegs only eat salads. Luckily, my mother always let me be so she never was pressuring me into eating meat or never told me I would lack protein or those stuff. I went back to eat meat but I never blame vegetarianism for that. I just simply thought "It is impossible that these people only eat salads", I didnt know about B12 or omega 3 or anything. So I spend like 2 years researching and reading about nutrion, plant based food, veganism and all those stuff. Now I'm good, I'm still a vegetarian (eating eggs for covenience and hoping to go fully plant based/vegan soon). Also I see a nutritionist (she's a vegan tho) 2 or 3 times a year just to make sure I'm doing it right. Like 5 months ago I learnt I have an iron deficiency, again, I didnt blame it on vegetarianism, my brother eats meat and has iron deficiency too lol. I just take an iron supplement and eat more spinach (that I didnt have in my diet before) now. You just have to eat right and balanced no matter what diet you have.
I just ate a balanced diet that included yummy animal products, whatever works for you I guess.
Good on you, that's a very mature way to deal with things :)
And trying to eat whole foods is a big help too. Avoid processed food no matter what diet you are on.
Very mature thinking. Even as a teenager, to realsise something was amiss rather than going "I can't eat vegan". For the iron, Id recommend estimg a wide range of greens,(spinach has alot of oxalates, other greens don't), kale, cabbage, broccoli, brussel sprouts, are all great. AND take your iron or iron ricj foods with vitam C(like orange juice, or bell peppers etc), as this helps absorption â€â€
Very mature from you! But please be aware that spinach do not have so much iron, there are better foods for it. For example you can use cumin when you cook, it has an insane amount of iron :)
A bunch of people with the means to consult a plant based doctor or program to help them but decide to just be ignorant and make excuses.
Straight up.
I really appreciate all you do on this channel. My husband and I are among those who fell off the vegan diet, and became ex vegans. Thankfully, we returned to our senses, and have since become ex-ex-vegans. More committed now than ever. We've done a lot of self-reflection over the past year trying to really get to the root of what caused us to fall off. Yes, at the time, we had health issues, gut problems, or blood test results that we claimed were the reason. I can see now that there were an awful lot of other pressures we were under, along w/ some very negative social situations that affected us more than we realized at the time. Our conscious minds, or egos, can trip us up creating stories based on unlooked at subconscious beliefs, and unresolved old wounds, like being rejected by family for one's dietary choices. As we know from Doug Lisle, we seek pleasure, and try to avoid pain. The social stigma of 'not fitting in' can take a toll, depending upon the circumstances. We actually never felt very connected within the vegan community at the time either. Actually, I only now found out you had reached out to my husband, Don at one point. I appreciate your videos because as another woman said in one of your recent shorts, you share the facts, and aren't otherwise attacking people, like many do in social media these days. I will say, we experienced a huge amount of remorse, and feel quite disappointed and embarrassed for not having the wherewithal to just stick out some rough spots. Feel free to reach out again if you ever feel inclined. We are in our 60s now, and certainly hope to help others help avoid our mistakes. ~ Tracy
Please read the book "Becoming Vegan: The Complete Reference to Plant-Based Nutrition (Comprehensive Edition)" by Brenda Davis, RD and Vesanto Melina, MS RD for proper vegan nutrition guidance before becoming a vegan. Happy vegan journey!
@@ponnamy Weâve been vegan/ vegetarian since before vegan became a household word. I grew up in Chgo and first tried brown rice and beans in my teens ~ during the 70s ~ at a neighborhood restaurant that offered a variety of menu options, including more whole grains and beans. Weâve studied macrobiotics, and Iâm certified thru T. Colin Campbellâs Plant Based Nutrition course (2012), and FOK online cooking school (2022) and have a degree in Chinese Medicine with extra training in food therapy and Ayurvedic medicine.
We have an extensive library with books dating back to the 70s before this whole âno oil, salt++â craze started.
My point for commenting was that youâd think we would have managed to maintain our vegan whole foods macrobiotic/ nutritarian way of eating! But, we didnât and we really regret having been among those who bounced into the other direction. We definitely had some health challenges ~ some of which weâve now been able to better manage with simple tweaks. Like a lot of bloating, gas, and even off and on constipation despite all the fiber!
Weâve learned that those blanket no oil, salt, sugar only Whole Foods approaches are not necessary for all, and not always best!
And, there were some very real social and familial pressures that likely undermined all our decisions! So we can better understand this ex vegan trend.
I hope that makes sense. I appreciate the book suggestion and will definitely check it out. Thank you.
I am sick of vegans . It is up to individuals whether they want to be vegan or not . Everybody is different and what works for you may not work for someone else .
@@louisaklimentos7583 Then why are you here?
Itâs a meat centered culture. Many vegans deal with a lot of ostracism from family and peers. Vegans are simply wanting others to have empathy for the trillions of animals of land and sea that live in enormously cruel and disgusting conditions ~ largely because people believe they are entitled to eat what they want without giving a second thought to the cost and consequences.
Imagine the many people who were against slavery being told âIâm sick of you freedom living, equal rights for allâ types. The more a society allows this level of exploitation, the more the trickle down into how we treat each other.
You will become ex-ex-ex-vegans. Only a matter of time.
Have been vege/vegan for over 50 years. Am far healthier than my surviving siblings and most of my surviving cousins. I have always been the only vege/vegan in my family. I really donât understand the difficulty. Being vegan is so easy. Have never found it difficult. If it is not vegan it isnât food, simple.
Would you agree that anyone who eat or uses animal products intentionally and needlessly isn't vegan?
Yeah maybe not everyone is like you genius
That is great to hear Julie, you have reduced animal suffering greatly in this time and your excellent health is to be expected and is proven in many non industry funded studies.
Do not bother responding to the trolls, your example proves that their tired rhetoric is nonsense. Do not validate them with a response.
Anecdotal claims not really something to base diet choices on however.
@@NevilleWran6666 thatâs very true. I am an ethical vegan, health benefits are just a bonus. Reading studies NOT funded by the animal agriculture industry, support how much healthier a vegan diet is. So win win.
Thank you for your GREAT JOB. I HIGHLY APPRECIATE. Keep strong VEGAN BROTHER. WE, the Vegan activists, have to be strong facing the ignorance and a poor excuses for the absolutely atrocious bestialityđ€đœđżđŸâïž
There is little to no tolerance or consideration for the individual health needs or conditions of others. If someone who was formally a vegan for 3, 8, 12 years but finds they are having deteriorating health issues and add even a little animal protein to their diet, they become heretics and are told they were "never" vegan and they were "doing it wrong." It's a ridiculous notion that ironically lacks the compassion that so many vegans like to think they possess. Some simply do not do well on this diet -that is the nature of individual differences.
I don't think ignorance is the issue
anymore, there are plenty on vegan info.
Perhaps it's just too much work for some. In the beginning had to get
organized, get all types of vegan recipes
revamp my kitchen with necessary kitchen gadgets for processing.
Then after a 6 months to a year, it
started being routine. Now it's much
easier. One thing to always remember you can never have an empty pantry when on Vegan diet. Single people
do have a problem there.
@@carollen5633 Mostly people are just happy eating healthy meat.
@@NevilleWran6666 meat is a not healthy, they just like the taste and are socially conditioned.
Meat is moral and healthy.
it is all about whole food-plant based nutrition! Never looked back. I'll draw my blood against any meat eater. Ready, set, draw.
LOL
If you're a vegan, you'd better not have too much blood drawn. You will probably pass out.
@@Ella.L. your a blind fool. 100% American. Are you the 99%? Yes! or the 1% Big pharma has got your back later on when you need the pills. Blood don't lie and I know for a fact that my blood draw would embarrass anyone who consumes meat and dairy. Guaranteed.
I am happily eat my steak and watch you do whatever you want.
@@NevilleWran6666 Big AG is ruining the earth and your health. Big AG is power in Washington and you trust that scenario? Their wealth comes before your health!!! It is known for 50 years that meat and dairy is causing a multitude of health issues. Typical American attitude, not us? Our way is the only way and we refuse to open our eyes and look at reality. America does not like reality. Fools with no morals or conscious. You probably throw trash out your car window too. Ready, set, blood draw.... You certainly are going to have health issues and continue to add to the health issues with your stupidity.
Those people were never "vegan"
They are, always have been clout chasers, nothing more.
Just like everyone else here claiming to be "vegan."
Everyone here uses animal products needlessly for entertainment pleasure.
I am happy to say I have never been vegan.
Yes, there are people who were die hard vegans who changed their diet, mostly due to declining health. Initially, many doubled down on their vegan diets and tried harder, but they continued to deteriorate. They have benefited from adding a little animal protein (a complete protein). Some people can manage a fully vegan diet and maintain their health for the long term if they live in the right climate, own their own land, have access to local markets or shops like Trader Joe's, and/or have the finances to support them on their fully vegetable, fruit, grain, and supplement diet. However, just because some have altered their diet to address their health problems doesn't mean they were never vegan. Actually, many still avoid meat but may eat cheese and eggs, etc. Everyone's healthy considerations are unique.
I agree in a sense many were
looking for a niche to make money.
If you don't believe in what you sell
failure follows.
@@carollen5633 Very true. Most people are trying to turn their channels into income streams.
As others have already mentioned in the comment section, I think that this transition back to a carnivore diet is due to the influencers' (often) narcissistic nature. For them, veganism was not about the animals nor the environment, but about themselves.
As you mention in the video, the vegan influencers often combine their diet with peculiar "sub-diets" like raw food (how can that still be popular BTW?). I think many influencers are just looking for as long a "title" as possible, to "be the most unique one" and therefore the most "interesting" person/influencer. As if they have an internal competition going on.
It is also noteworthy (as the video also covers) that the influencers transition back to a meat diet is rarely a flexitarian diet, with a supplement of meat. These ex-vegan influencers often take it to an extreme where they almost ONLY eat meat.
ONE IMPORTANT NOTE ABOUT INFLUENCERS, is that they run a business. Their primary purpose is NOT to share knowledge about vegan diets that is based on scientific facts. Therefore, I think we should focus more on referring people to reputable sources, CZcamsrs and such, if they want to get more information about veganism, rather than fancy influencers.
every Vegan is doing it for themselves. The animals don't care. They would eat you if they could. Veganism can't improve the environment because the environment is built on th circle of life. There is no organic regenerative farming without cattle, because cattle plays an essential role in the circle of a plant's life.
Same as being vegan is about yourself. You get to feel good about yourself doing the "right" thing.
â@@izoobal I used to hate vegetables and had a gag reflex eating beans before becoming vegan.
I had to stomach that torture for 1 month and a half where everything I ate tasted like shit. So no, it's not about ourselves.
Eventually my taste buds or gut bacteria changed and it became even more tasty than what I was used to, but I was determined to live my whole live like that and you know why? Because of the sheer disgust I felt once I watched some animal footage videos and saw them screaming and despairing. I can not partake into that.
â@@samvega4648going to a slaughter house changed my opinion on eating meat.Horrendous experience.
Anyone who comes out of a slaughter house and isn't affected is a lunatic imo.
@@izoobal Actually,its'about the animals, but also needs to be about yourself. Whereas the carni mentality is about "ME".
The problem with most of these people is they don't get enough calories. Not enough calories leads to deficiency. Pretty simple. I've eaten a vegan diet for 18 years.
I think it is difficult for most people to care about the animals long term. Feelings rarely last. Self interest is a much stronger motivator long term.
> The problem with most of these people is they don't get enough calories.
I agree. Almost all my adult life I've been ~140lbs, so I never thought I needed to 'count calories' -- that was something only fat people needed to do. But I was wrong. I almost have to force myself to clock at least 1,500 cals/day.
@@rabbitcreative yea for sure
If you went vegan for the animals, itâs hard to quit being vegan. Thank the universe that is why Iâm vegan.
@@ConGamePro there are a small portion of the population with that amount of empathy for animals. I personally don't have a lot. I would have no issue on a moral level killing and eating an animal. My issue is I would prefer to limit my risk of cancer and heart disease, so I will never eat an animal unless I was literally dying of starvation after not eating for a week
â@@benjones5799 nice chap you are
Those people are clearly lying. I wonder what made them lie. đ°đ°đ°
Yeah money, they are too lazy and stupid to do a job.
Like that vegan couple, the vegans activist, Jordan stevens, Benny the vegan lolđđall frauds
Memorial day weekend 2020, one of my brothers had a heart attack and found out he needed to have a quadruple heart bypass. His surgery was delayed in order to stabilize the type 2 diabetes that was discovered and he also had hypertension he was unaware of as well. He had healthcare coverage, but didn't get checkups. He was not obese, but ate all the foods that contributed to his condition, which were lots of meat, chicken, fast food, fat, salt, dairy, eggs, refined flours and sugars, etc. I helped in his postoperative care and struggled to figure out what kind of food to serve him. After much searching I found out about whole food plant based diets and the great results in those with the same health conditions my brother had. We both went whole food plant based immediately as I didn't want to end up sick as well and also wanted to support him. He was able to go back to work in March 2021 as his health was vastly improved. My health has improved as well. Regular exercise is also an important part of our daily lives. I also found out about the environmental detriment of factory farming, and the cruel treatment of animals. Even though it sometimes feels lonely at meal time when people around me aren't making the same choices, I don't see myself eating any other way.
I'm pretty sure that if he kept off the fast food, deadly sugar, carbs etc, he would have been more than healthy.
Meat and fat is highly important for a healthy diet, and you need fat for your brain to function correctly. You need to learn nutrition, and not from these 'nutritionist' vegans.
I really appreciate this rebuttal. Very informative, great advice with terrific tips. Thank you so much
Iâm still vegan. Why do I care about these people? They donât care about me đ
Klaus, you're a total boss. Thank you for the consistency, for the solid representation, and for the high-quality content. I've been vegan for about eight years and I ran my first three marathons ever all in this past year and I still eat some vegan ice cream. I'm mostly WFPB, but I still have some junk food from time to time. đ€· Human! Feelin better than ever though. It's hard to go against the societal current, I think that's the crux of the matter for these ex-vegans. The passion in realizing what happens to animals fades and what they had been eating previously is still pushed so enticingly by the industry, but I'm not them, so who knows. What I do know is vegan is so much better. đ±đđŻđ€đŒ
Excellent review. Disordered eating contributes to a lot of this. They want to get away from "labels", yet they use grass fed, free range and cage free nonsense. None of these people consulted plant based doctors or nutrition experts.
I became vegan in part because of that Tim bloke and I would thank him for that.But I will never willingly go back to eating animals
As someone who lives with Crohnâs disease and Lupus ~ I found my friends and myself struggled with meat and dairy, when omnivores. My parents tell me of stories, about how I would complain about âtummy achesâ, and would avoid meat products as much as possible! My father was a hunter, and both parents enjoy meat and fish still, but find it difficult to digest, and choose to eat a Plant Based Diet when staying with me. They both have more energy and feel physically better, when they stick to a Plant Based Diet! They both have arthritis and have had heart bypass surgery, so they feel it very acutely!
If anythingâŠmeat causes both me and my Crohnâs friends great gut distress - often leading to intestinal blockages, which in turn lead to emergency surgery. If you have never had your intestines chopped up, resectioned and sutured, then an OSTOMY (a bag put on your side for collection of waste) - I am THRILLED to hear so! But, for those of us who have endured this process, and struggle every single dayâŠdo EVERYTHING we can with our diet to remove as much PAIN and future surgery! For us, remaining meatless and dairy-free has made a massive difference in our lives!
I also adore animals, and have rescued many wild and domesticated breeds. But, my main point was to address this from a personal, medical experience. Combine minimizing my own personal suffering with that of animals, and it leads me to a Plant Based DietâŠjunk food free of course!
I wish everyone a great week!đŸđšđŠđŸ
All the food you eat on a vegan diet irritates your gut and makes your Crohn's disease worse. Don't take my word for it ask the medical world. Your digestive system is acid based and designed to digest meat and animal protein not cellulose based foods.
Let me tell you my experience⊠after being vegan for many years, I went back to eating meat in 2022, bcuz I thought a high protein diet would give me the tone I trained for and desired. By the end of 2022, Iâd gained 10 pounds and my thigh cellulite had increased. Went back plant-based for new year and Iâm building back better! Lost the weight effortlessly. Thighs are shaping up too. I canât believe I doubted this lifestyle.
So you think health means not having any fat on you? Being rail thin is healthy suddenly? If you're a woman you need a certain fat percentage on your body in order to carry a child and be healthy. But hey carry on, it's your life
You are assuming she is rail thin. She never said that or indicated it.@@Crysalis-bd9so
I wouldn't be surprised if meat businesses paid them in order to say that.
It is easier to conform to the mainstream way of eating. Being vegan requires work.
It requires being a strong person to lead. Weak people follow.
Yes it does require work, especially in places that offer very small or no vegan options in restaurants.
â@couldiBEanymorevegan?
Lol the self importance you place on yourself is hilarious, happy Easter my prawns are even more tasty now
@@rondarkman. Dans le genre con, tu fais fort!
@@isabellezablocki7447 I'll stay weak. Steak pour moi.
Once when I was vegetarian, way before going vegan, I had salmon sushi for a week straight. By the end of the week I was having nightmares, so I guess salmon works differently for each of us đ
Funny! Especially compared to Tim Shief's reaction.
Those weren't nightmares. That was your brain waking up.
My family love sushi.
â@@NevilleWran6666
Sushi is delicious
@@rondarkman. Indeed.
Like most religous cults there are people who escape it and try to live a happy life afterwards.
My question is, of all these CZcamsrs which ones are secretly taking money from the Animal Agricultural Industries?
Probably none, they just woke up to the fact their bodies started feeling like sh*t on the 'healthiest diet' đ
My question is, of all these vegan CZcamsrs which ones are secretly taking money from the pharmaceutical Industry, the most corrupt and profitable industry on earth?
The answer is no. They just prioritize their health
A very useful overview of these people. Glad you chose to support your points with medical opinion. Being an internet influencer is also a recent social phenomenon, wherein mostly young people put themselves forward with strong views. Young people often try on different lifestyles and in each of these phases is absolutely convinced it is the right and only way. We've known that about young people for a long time but the internet makes this previously accepted young people behaviour into a crime. Young people are heavily influenced by who they are with, who they believe in, and so if their companions change, their opinions might change too. I think we should not be investing too much of our own lives based on younger people's opinions, until they mature they will often change their minds. However, some young people stick to their vegan commitment, which is wonderful, as a vegan I agree 100% with doing that. It's just important to think about how the internet and their age and stage of life was probably a part of this. Great topic Klaus!
These people were never real vegans to begin with. There were not in for the animals, they were in either as a trendy experiment or for their health or whatever. They were also never fully informed, transformed and at home with veganism as a life style. That is why we see them constantly yell about how veganism was difficult, impractical, impossible, radical, imbalanced, insufficient, dangerous etc, etc. The morals and ethics of veganism are hardly ever mentioned, and if so mostly by regurgitating meat industry's long debunked claims of veganism being bad for the planet because a, b or c. But 99% of their talk is about how they "regained health, strength and energy" by eating dead animals stuffed with medication again. Ex-vegans are trending because they validate carnivore's biases and help them silence their guilty conscience. And, of course, they know that they will trigger these points and receive a very warm welcome-back from the carnivores, because they help each other feel less guilty. Veganism is still on the rise, however, and it is the lifestyle of the future. The planet and the animals are still two major issues and they are still two of three main reasons (health being the third) why more and more people are waking up and making a change. Nothing and noone, including the trendy ex-vegans, can stop us now.
Jon Venus used his child as a silly excuse to not be vegan anymoreâŠwhy would he not be vegan if it was just about his kid?
Why do you use animal products intentionally and needlessly for entertainment while pretending to be against it?
From past experience with you, I predict you will evade the question consistently with nonsense and justifications instead of answering truthfully, directly, and factually.
I will go ahead and accept your concession now since we both know you will never answer directly.
Because he doesn't want his kid to follow in his footsteps and grow up weak and anemic like other vegan kids.
Because he does not want his kid to think veganism is healthy, when it is super unhealthy
@@janieswanson2549
I donât eat animals, dairy or eggsâŠI donât wear animals skins, fur or feathersâŠand I donât do animal testingâŠcan you say the same?
@@GarudaLegends
If veganism is âunhealthyâ then how did Dr Ellsworth Wareham live to be 104 year old by living the last fifty years of his life as a vegan?
Convenience and social pressure lead to forgetting the horror the animals go through and somehow make up stories.
I never forget.
I never forget how many delicious animals we can choose from
@@rondarkman.Tiens, le mĂȘme con encore!
@@rondarkman. Yes, like dogs, cats and rats. Very yummilious.
@@ponnamy don't know don't eat em
â@@ponnamy
If you can't tell the difference between a chicken and a dog, i am afraid there is no cure for this. And there will never be
The reason these ex-vegan say they feel better after eating fish is the iodine. Supplement with Lugol's iodine and save the fish
Yes iodine is an important nutrient that can be lacking in vegans because they don't eat enough seaweeds but I don't think that in one portion of fish, all of the sudden you can get all your iodine.
Seafood is glorious
You can also just add seaweed to the diet
@@rondarkman. But the picture of yourself is not.
â@@SparklinYoga
Or fish
Iâll never understand how people can have their eyes opened to the animal holocaust only to shut them again.
They see their children getting sick.
@@pepper419 Iâm going to assume youâre new to this trolling thing because that was next-level stupid. Even if true, which it isnât, what bearing would that have on the parents continuing to be vegan? That would be about as dumb as a parent giving up, say, writing because their child was having trouble learning how to write.
Animal holocaust đđđđ
Why do you use animal products intentionally and needlessly for entertainment?
Answer that truthfully and factually to get your epiphany.
So worried about a "fake holocaust" that you're stuck in denial about your own contributions to it.
I think my only reservation with the idea of working with doctors and even dieticians can be that their training can be animal product based (and many doctors have staggeringly little nutrition training). I once chatted with one of the NHS dieticians who worked with my late mother and she told that they are NOT ALLOWED to reccomend vegetarian or vegan diets! Despite knowing that it was better, she wasn't permitted by the UK's major health organisation to promote a plant-based lifestyle! I found that very worrying!
So glad you said that!! Interesting because the BDA supports it.
My daughter is seeing a dietician and she's bloody awful!
I haven't eaten any animal products including dairy for 11 years. It's helped with my health
This is so sad. I don't think I could ever go back after physically feeling the animals' pain and crying each time I see a cruel video of animals suffering
Donât worry, you will eat meat again.
@@longevitycoach1573I havenât and wonât and Iâm 6â3 220lb heavy highway construction worker! Iâm proud of not eating meat but also donât look down on others for doing so. I changed after doing some work on a kill floor in a beef plant as an outside contractor. It was the most horrifying and despicable thing Iâve ever witnessed. Beyond heartbreaking
I work in post-disaster locations around the world. When I am in a good country, I continue to be vegan, but in hardship countries, I have to eat whatever is available to keep my energy up. I feel very bad, but I have no choice. If there are any recipes with simple stuff which I can have in hardship locations, then please share that with people like us.
I think rise ,beans ,corn are everywhere. To add some banana,apple,cucumber ,some greens impossible?People looking for excuses...sadly
@@1tyorganist44 it is not that easy. In Africaâs remote places, you can get beans and rice. But you cannot eat that every day. In the area I lived in Sudan, there was only onion. People eat starch from roots and onions. That causes malnutrition.
Don't lecture about excuses to people. Because you never worked or lived in remote poor places.
Here we have to work 8 to 14 hours abd after that you can it go out and forage. 100% veganism is a dysfunctional concept for these locations.
Do what you have to to continue your work. Its more important anyways. â€
@@carnivoroussarah > Do what you have to to continue your work.
Yeah. "I'm just doing my job." Get another job.
I did everything ârightâ for over 5 years eating plant-based. I supplemented most of that time for B12 but needed to stop because I was having heart palpitations between many brands of the supplement. I stopped the supplements for a year, checked my B12 levels hoping I was getting it from my own home grown food because we have very rich organic matter on our property. My levels were dangerously low. So I integrated eggs from the birds my partner has had on his farm for years. I honestly was having tremors and felt brain fog before I started eating eggs. Iâve been able to reach a place where I feel healthy and balanced which happened very quickly within months. I still consume very consciously (including where my veg comes from because this isnât spoken about enough). I can relate to many of these ex-vegans. Eating in the long term as a vegan does take access to high quality ecological supplements and even then âIs it enough for every person the same?â I think itâs dangerous how much the vegan community tries to push 100% plant based. The China study wasnât that. The small amount of access to B12 through unprocessed animal foods makes a huge difference. I will say tho, that itâs a slippery slope to go from vegan to introducing small amounts of animals products. The key is to remember that you can be a ânon-veganâ and still be very conscious of the foods your consuming. And Iâve honestly never met in-person a vegan who really read into where their food comes from. Growing your own food and making your own condiments, soaps, detergents, and everything else is the most healthy way you can treat your body and the environment and the animals. But this takes real passion and understanding of ecological systems. I wish everyone the best of luck on their health journeys and ecological awareness. I can say for the first time in my life that I feel very proud where I am at after spending years now learning about the soil and permaculture.
You seem to have a balanced perspective and Iâm glad you feel better †permaculture is the way
Exactly, Vegans most of the time deflect from the harmful effects that plant cultivation in general has on our planet or they blame animal farming.
And your experience is the reason why the German Nutrition Society does not recommend a Vegan diet for vulnerable groups. It doesn't view the recent studies as strong enough to support the idea that a vegan diet is safe for all stages of life because they are aware of cases like you. Cases where it goes really wrong with Vit B12 suppplematation and recommending this for pregnant ladies would be crazy.
Glad you are better. I have to ask though, why did you not have b12 injections? My father a massive meat eater had to do that. Secondly, eggs don't contain that much b12 not in the grand scheme of things. There are x4 types of B12 and x2 are best taken together for those rare cases where absorption can be tricky.
@@panes840 Thanks! I live in the countryside of Bolivia where thereâs no B12 injections. The nearest city is 3 hours away and even if they had them there itâs an extra expense (we are farmers who donât make hardly any money), and getting it from food I will always prefer. I immediately noticed feeling better only after introducing eggs to my diet. I no longer have tremors nor brain fog. Itâs crazy how long I went suffering from those things.
So they quit because they want to be healthy more than to fallow some mainstream moral issue? Good for them.
As a longterm vegan holistic health coach, I come across people and content about being "a former/ex vegan" ALL the time. I correct the terminology first: vegans are committed to a full lifetime of avoiding violence and harm if/when possible, whereas a person eating plant-based for their health may choose to do so temporarily. The first is on an ethical/moral (and often spiritual) path in consideration of the victims of violence, while the second is focused on self only. 38 years without meat, and 14+ years vegan, and I continue to thrive, shattering the beliefs and accusations of my haters and critics. BE the example, go vegan and stay vegan. Keep defining the terms we use correctly to dissolve the confusion on the topic: veganism isn't a diet or a fad.
"vegans are committed to a full lifetime of avoiding violence and harm if/when possible"
And yet here you are using animal products needlessly for entertainment pleasure that are "possible and practicable" to avoid.
@@Ollieya945 I see you missed the definition of veganism. Try again. Plant based eating, for some, can be a fad. That is not veganism.
@@mamaveelove I see you missed the definition of "veganism."
It's both possible and practicable to stop using animal products needlessly for entertainment.
YT is an entertainment platform.
Animal based stearic acid (livestock tallow) and animal based activated carbon (livestock bones) are the industry standard in processor manufacturing.
How did you comment without using something with a processor? Smoke signals?
Just another person who derives more worth from the claim than the actual practice.
@@janieswanson2549 did you mean to reply to me, or the fad diet person wo commented under me? See my original comment and thread for clarification.
longterm vegan here, helping to educate.
@@mamaveelove Yes I meant to reply to you.
If you read my comment then you would know you use animal products intentionally and needlessly for entertainment.
The definition adds to that in the case of you using animal products that are "possible and practicable" to avoid.
That literally means you're not "vegan."
Glad I could educate.
The problem with recommending 'working things out with your doctor' is that many doctors are the ones that recommend people not to keep their vegan diets. I've seen several ex-vegetarian friends starting to eat 'eventual meat' because their doctors have advised them to do so at the slightest complain with their health.
> many doctors are the ones that recommend people not to keep their vegan diets
Aye. "Doctor" doesn't mean anything. Doctor-A isn't Doctor-B. I'd like to start hearing pro-peacers say "consult your plant-based doctor". (Even though I dislike adjectives...)
When I hear âwhen I was veganâ I like to replace it with âwhen I was against animal exploitation, abuse, and suffering.â Then to say ânow that Iâm no longer veganâ means ânow that Iâm no longer against animal exploitation, abuse, and suffering.â I canât imagine that actually happening to a person. I donât think any of these people were ever vegan.
Exactly
as a vegetarian... not eating meat doesnt give you moral superiority
exactly. Ex-vegan is an oxymoron
You underestimate the flexibility of human psychology. Nazi Germany as an example
Not to mention a lot of the examples in the video appear to be particularly flighty people
Been vegan for almost 8 years now ⊠Iâve learned everyoneâs biology is different. After about 5 to 6 years I noticed I was struggling with heavier endurance activities and started doing research, there are certain nutrients that are harder to absorb from plant sources especially if you let your diet get a little sloppy time to time. Naturally if youâre doing heavier endurance you should be watching nutrients regardless because you are depleting them quickly and deficiencies exist for people on all types of diets especially if you drink caffeine and alcohol etc. I played with a lot of supplements experimenting and Iâm at a point where I can confidently say Iâve found the dietary support I needed and feel great again! Just did a trail race a few weeks ago with only two months training and took a 3rd place and the winner happened to be plant based as well, Iâm also 40 this year so it felt really good haha! Here is a list of things to look into, Iâm not saying someone needs to take all of these things especially if their diet is really healthy but investigate them because itâs not uncommon to struggle with a couple of these (on many different diets): B12/B complex, Creatine, Taurine, Iron, calcium/magnesium, Zinc, K2, D3, algae based Omegas, collagen support (Irish sea moss for smoothies), if you struggle with vitamin A conversion it can be an issue for some on a plant based diet .. anyhow if you are feeling crappy on the diet and donât want to quit, you have the option to see if a supplement can make you 180 if your biology struggles with absorption or production of a couple of them. Regardless of your diet choice I wish you happiness and health âșïž take care of yourselves.
If you have to supplement then it isn't a proper diet.
That goes equally for all people who need supplements on a omnivorous, carnivorous, or plants only diet.
You literally use animal products needlessly.
No point in lying about being "vegan."
idk anything about irish sea moss but you can just supplement the amino acid glycin from a vegan source
1/3 of collagen is made from it but it's healthier & more effective than collagenđđ»
This is what they say generally, after 5-7 years there is downfall as vegan in terms of health
3:34 that is not a placebo effect. That is your brain treating you because you finally gave it what it yearned for and it wants you to repeat it again and again.
I'm plant based but it does always make me smile when plant based speakers talk of the healthiest people in the world with no heart disease eg the China study being predominantly plant based otherwise known as omnivores. Again I'm plant based but it just makes me chuckle that the super healthy populations they speak of did eat meat but they pretend like they didn't. Predominantly plant based đ.
Klaus, please cover the new IPCC's report. As Mic the Vegan pointed out, a lot as been left out. This matter needs more coverage because the meat industry successfully blocked the attempt for the IPCC to recommend a plant based diet. Thank you!
The Ag Industry at work ! Agriculture causes 25% of the greenhouse gases...our earth is dying and our grandkids are the ones who will suffer because us older folks could not stop the gas and ag industries.
You should asked Mic about his kid and the diet he had it on...
Long story short, it didn't end well for his kid.
We posted an article about this Aniceto! You can read it here: plantbasednews.org/opinion/opinion-piece/ipcc-report-key-points-vegan-foods-animal-farming/
â@@janieswanson2549 how do we know it was the vegan diet for Mic and his kid? I don't have a strong opinion because it wasn't my life and I wasn't there.
EAT, MOVE REST and their YT channel havechad x2 successful pregnancies and kids are throving but the haters hate and try to say shirty things.
Humans are vile.
Thank you Klaus, for another great video. Veganism is not a fad diet, it is an ethical stance against animal exploitation. These people were never vegan, you become vegan for the animals, NOT for your health. But saying that, a plant based diet is the healthiest there is. When I went vegan for the animals, I didn't realise the incredible & positive effect, it would have on my health. I reversed heart disease, type 2 diabetes, hypertension & lowered my BMI from 36 to 23!
I feel like the cutting out dairy and eggs thing is a tad bit extremist. Bulls do not respect your rights, and chickens donât either.
I've seen a documentary about farmers that grow much of the popular food vegans consume and they are on the record saying since the diet became more and more trendy that the demand on their crop yields increased dramatically. They said they could have purchased more land to increase their yields or they could address the issues that involved their yield losses. They resorted to killing, moles, groundhogs, squirrels, rabbits, skunks, foxes, snakes, birds and even deer from threatening their crops or causing damage. These farmers claim it is a full time problem where some tried to capture in humane ways but they ultimately ended up finding killing these animals was a cheaper way of handling the loss of their farm yields.
You still can't argue the fact that people who don't eat a healthy amount of meat and fish and live on mostly carbohydrates do, in fact grow shorter, by far than the meat-eaters, that grow much taller and stronger. This has been shown all over the world and is showing up now among modern vegans today.
Dr. Matthew Nagra had great points, I appreciate that he mentions studies but more so was impressed with his factual, though pretty much common sense, arguments...that I never thought of. I would love to hear more from him. Thanks for a great video!
He is fantastic. You can find more of him on Instagram by just searching his name! He produces amazing and educational content.
Another thing to mention about plant exclusive children is that some
may seem "stunted" with their growth compared to their peers before or around puberty (because most children are getting large amounts of growth hormones from animal meat or from dairy consumption)
Then after puberty hits, the children who has continued to eat plants, they grow to the same or larger size then other children.
In my view the majority of these people never ate a healthy. balanced, whole foods predominant diet. If they actually cared about animals theyâd have done it properly. Iâd certainly have been willing to advise them for free as would plenty of other nutrition professionals, Iâd wager. They basically didnât give a shit, so they never asked or looked into it. And they wouldnât have thrown the animals under the bus to protect their egos either. Wastes of space
You literally use animal products needlessly for entertainment from the same animals normal people eat.
Thanks for admitting by your own logic that you are a waste of space.
I'd be willing to advise them for fr$$.
@@lashedbutnotleashed1984Iâm sorry that those who are not cruel to animals make you feel uncomfortable and feel the need to lash out childishly. Bless ya
@@HenchHerbivore Hench, my friend. I am a zoologist and I love animals because I understand them as they truly are. Vegans like you do not understand them in the slightest, instead thinking of them as four-legged humans that smell funny. No, they are what they are, and no amount of humanizing them will turn them into people. The vegan "love" of animals is totally fake and based on their own narcissism. It has nothing to do with the animals. It's nothing more than a way to pat yourselves on the back and feel vindicated.
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I'm an ex vegan, I regret it all the time. I lost touch with my moral stance on food and lifestyle when I started to feel isolated socially from others after highschool. Now that I'm older i don't care anymore if social events are awkward, if people bombard me with questions. Now I just care to feel healthy, stand for what I think is right and no contribute to horrendous agricultural practices.
So are you a vegan or an ex vegan?
These Videos should be labelled 'Never Really Vegan'. I do not believe there is any such thing as an Ex-Vegan. End of Story.
No disrespect, that is the no true Scotsman fallacy.
You can see how calm and collected those ex-vegans are. While vegans are emotionally motivated and angry.
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@@derbykirby3627 calm and collected? More like crazy and pretentious
Ikr, how often do you hear about anti racism civil rights leaders who wake up one day racist? It does not happen, most of these 'influencers' follow the money, they are shallow people with no principles.
I think the community relied too much on these influencers. We have to remember that someone starting or stopping a diet that did not work for them is not science. You need researchers with multiple subjects and a clinical controlled trial for it to be true science
> You need researchers with multiple subjects and a clinical controlled trial for it to be true science
I disagree. When I benchmark a piece of software, and record my results, I'm doing 'science'.
I don't know why I am watching this when I am hungry and waiting to eat food. I am not a Vegan and never will be. I believe that people have been so far removed from the food supply that they don't understand.
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I know I went a year occasionally eating dairy and it felt (uck) during my 7 year vegan journey. However after taking a class and getting certified to be a nutrition and health vegan coach, I realized I was doing it wrong. Because I was on a JUNK FOOD vegan diet... I was eating junk. Now I went back and I feel like heaven on earth again!
Well, I'll tell you why I quit:
1. too much volume of food, too much fiber (I have UC and it's complicated to handle the right amounts)
2. have to learn recipes or you end up eating the same bland shit over and over again
3. have to get protein from a number of sources necessarily
4. vit B12 and D deficiency
5. tough to have a proper social life or even find something vegan
6. the constant "terror" something might contain something non-vegan
7. people constantly mocking you or calling you a snowflake
8. vegans pressuring you to make vegan choices 100% of the time, otherwise you're out.
I'm sure I could come up with a few more, but you got the gist.
All i see are people who either starved themselves by not eating enough calories/nutrients or went to the extreme side of the spectrum such as raw fruit based diets....it's absurd. There is no reason to eat raw or high fat/keto or whatever, it's not sustainable or healthier, where as cooked starches are, be it potatoes or beans or anything in between. Cooked starches + greens/spices and some fresh produce like fruit is really all you need to live life-long on plant based diet...maybe toss in soem veggies, not these crazy, non-sensical short term fad diets.
I did that and it messed me up bad.
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I've been vegan for like 8, 9 years? i don't even know. Seriously this kind of stuff is just SUPER SUPER SILLY. Look it is really, really really EASY to be vegan. I understand some people have issues, and there are ways around that, but i understand people can struggle. Practicality in general can also be a giant huge big deal i also understand that. But for the most part, and for like, let's say, 8 out of 10 people, it is really easy. Here you go, how to go vegan:
1: Don't follow fad diets. 2: Have some variety. Doesn't even need to be much honestly. 3: Eat fortified foods or take something like a multi vitamin once in a while. You're probably already taking it anyway. 4: Eat what you like. Don't be an idiot, don't be afraid of sauces or particular foods or whatever, i don't know, there's so much stupid information out there. Food is food. It's that easy. And when i say "food is food" i mean it. You're not gona die and you're not gona turn into superman either. There are no magic foods, no magic ingridients.
I don't think there's much more to it to be honest.
Being motivated is a necessity to get where you want.
Vegetarian since birth and went vegan 12 years ago at the age of 16 (now 28). Would never, ever go back as once you truly make that ethical connection you can't go back. It's also super easy for the vast majority of people to access an abundance of vegan food options these days. I'd typically eat porridge with fruit & peanut butter/smoothie for breakfast, veggie sandwich/soup for lunch and curry/dhal/chilli/veggie burger/tofu stir fry/veggie pasta or lasagne for dinner. Legit so many yummy healthy recipes to keep you full. Then having a couple of treats like a vegan magnum or something is good for a bit of balance!
what a sad life
@@lukebruce5234 what a arrogant
I am have been vegan for twelve years and before I was vegetarian and I feel great I am 62 years old
Self deluded or not, they were ALL grifters right from the start.
humans have been predominantly vegan/vegetarian since our beginning. That is fact
Nope. We have been eating animal foods for millions of years. Proven by anthropological studies.
â@@lashedbutnotleashed1984 Why do you hate animals so?
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@@Siegfried5846 Why would you make such a silly statement? Are straw man arguments your only means of debate? I am a zoologist who has been studying animals for many years and I know all about them. I like them because I understand them. I like them on their own terms. You think you like them because you do not understand them and think of them as hairy human beings with 4 legs. That is disrespectful to the animals. The more you understand animals, the more you will understand their place in nature.
@@GarudaLegends That's like saying that the man of today travels to space to fight Thanos with the avengers
I went vegan a few years ago and ended up with kidney stones. Plant based diets contain high amount of oxalates.
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Iâm so grateful you created this video đđœ I also offer that social media may make these individuals feel cornered in a way constantly placing their lives for viewing (which of, course may be choice) and judgment. It is almost their behavior is to gain âcontrolâ over themselves.
I start full carnivore diet tomorrow. I love eating animals.
I think that these people were most definitely deficient in something and not looking after their personal health the way they could have been. Itâs super disappointing watching them go down like flies after a certain number of years. I hate hearing those âIâm no longer veganâ stories from massive celebrities. But on we go, the ones who keep going. Iâm coming in to my 8th year, could my health be better? Most definitely! But I take that into my own hands with cleaner eating, and sometimes supplements. No need to put it on the animals. Iâm the healthiest Iâve ever been, but always room for improvement
Celebs with unlimited resources can't get veganism right? It's most likely the diet.
Great video! đThank you, Klaus/PBN! đ 18 years vegan here btw! âđ
I cleaned up my diet and went super lean meats, veggies, fruits, nuts, and avocados etc and I felt freaking amazing, lost weight, had tons of energy, depression decreased, hair fuller. I've been mostly eating vegan and pretty health version of vegan (not like oreos) with my boyfriend and have noticed a significant dip in energy, depression creeping back, hair thinning, weight gain, but the worst is feeling hungry again after eating soo many calories. To me the lean meats kept me full for a LOT longer. I think even if the package says it has x amount of protein. I don't think our bodies break all protein down the same way
Unfortunately, this video failed to address the research cited in the video from What I've Learned, which showed that vegan diets were unsustainable for a number of reasons: poor nutrient absorption, "adequate" (same language used here) but not optimal nutrient intake, adverse effects of excess fiber, the fact that vegans rely heavily on highly processed foods due to the expense and inconvenience of preparing vegan food, and the fact that there is little to no long-term data (i.e., generational data) on vegan diets. "Primarily plant-based" (describing other cultures) is not the same thing as vegan, and the "ethical" arguments of an omnivorous diets aren't even discussed in the original video so it's a bit of a red herring here.
Fortunately I've never heard of, let alone followed, any of those influencers. My "followings" are heavily based on the scientists and medicos who have done the research, maintain the effort, or, report on the research. And yeah, never vegans in the first place once you *know* what animals suffer. Such a fly-by-night attitude to animal cruelty on an industrial scale shows, frankly, what intellectual lightweights they are. I do think it's hard, though not impossible, to sustain a raw food diet unless you live in the tropics, so, yes, there can indeed be a lot of work in some vegan diets. But finally I would challenge anyone to find doctors around any street corner who will help you with your vegan diet. We are largely on our own there, in my experience in Australia