Auto water changes - Kamoer X2SR Review
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- čas přidán 18. 03. 2021
- Automatic water changing systems are a favourite gadget of mine, they make reef keeping significantly easier and I recommend them to everyone.
But which system?!
There are some great units out there like the Litermeter, Versa, Auto Aqua Smart AWC and more - now there is a new unit from the team at Kamoer.
How does it stack up against the competition?
What a beast of a unit. Love the transparency and honesty on this channel. 👌
Cheers mate!
Not in the market for this but really appreciate the level of detail and information you provide for products like this in your reviews . Keep up the good work.
Thank you for the feedback!
Thanks for the review! Fingers crossed we get this stateside!
You should be able to get it :)
awesome explanation double thumbs up :-) bought one today after watching your video, got a good boxing day deal .
Oh nice, Boxing Day deals are the best!
Thanks for the review - love the lego reference! : )
Love some John guest!
I just purchased this, I’m very excited!!!
It's a great bit of kit, you'll love it!
@@ParkersReef good I’m glad, your video definitely help me decide so thank you!!
Man, that tank is looking beautiful
Thank you!!
Great review Sam, covered all the bases as usual but not likely to change my Versa out as we have two tanks daisy chained and I'd need two units. Love the honest feedback
yeah fair call mate! Each system out there has some nice little benefits that the others don't. The size and versatility of the versa is hard to beat. Hopefully ecotech come up with some more stock soon!
@@ParkersReef I managed to get my hands on 3 replacement tube after reading some of the feedback so I think I'm set for a while. I have only had to make a minor adjustment on the calibration once since installing so not too bad so far
Thanks for a good review 👍
Thanks for watching!
Definitely getting one
If you can deal with the noise, it’s a gray unit!
Sold me on this Sam. Can't wait to pick it up from Deer Park next week
Yeah nice one. Let him know you’re chasing one and he’ll get one in (if you haven’t already!)
The pro's of it being able to draw water from far away, and the portability of it I think cancel out the negatives of sound.
I always like to buy equipment I think could be used in a variety of ways so I can always repurpose what I have. And the quality aspect of Kamoer is always reassuring for me at least.
Absolutely, lots of upside to this unit! Plus I have since found out you can run the pumps longer and slower for even less noise
Hey Parker! Thanks for your videos- they’ve given so much information that I haven’t found anywhere else.
Have you had any experience with the liter meter 4 yet? I am trying to decide between this, the liter meter 4 and the Versas for a single 75G tank AWC setup.
I have not, but I am keen as mustard to try one out. Spectrapure, if you're listening - hit me up!
Nice review . Quality
Glad you like it
Thanks for the review Sam. I wouldn't mind getting one of these, but have it away from the tank, in the garage, so that it keeps the noise levels down. I presume though this would mean that I wouldn't be able to take advantage of the ATO features of it though? Final question would also be which is your weapon of choice still after the review? Still the liter meter?
I would still recommend the litermeter, but they are hard to get hold of, expensive and have their draw backs (as an old platform).
The new one should be interesting though :)
Depending on how far the unit is from the tank, you potentially could still use the ATO. Even if you had to utilise a relay to get the job done :)
Nice ! Good video
thank you!
Awesome review i love your tank and videos. So i don't recall if you said this but you mentioned the manual water change feature, so in the scenario where you need to dilute an issue in a say a 250 US gallon tank and need to quickly change 200 gallons, how long would that take? I would not want to wait 2 days to try to fix the issue. Thanks!
you might be waiting that long! It does 300ml a minute, therefore 200 gallons would take 42 hours....
Thanks for the great review - what configuration would you recommend with a similar setup of Remote RO/Mixing Shed and Display Tank - would you put the unit in the shed (less noisy) or tank end (sensors for sump high/low). How do you use the various sensors when there is separation - would you just rely on the accuracy to perform the simultaneous water in/out ? Cheers.
If noise is an issue, I would honestly leave the sensors out and run it from the mixing shed. That being said, you could likely extend the connections with some cat6 network cable, at worst you could run some relays to make it work - but I would be fine running the unit without the sensors (just check in on it every now and then!).
You would also loose the ability to use the ATO if mounting remote, although you could connect any peristaltic pump to the 24v outlet and run it remote too...
That looks pretty great. I recently picked up an X1pro2T based on your review video, for continuous kalk dosing. Any thoughts on setting up an AWC using two X1-T’s as opposed to this unit? Scheduling each pump individually to turn on and off at the same time, obviously lose the sensing capabilities, but it’s almost 1/2 the cost. Thanks!
Yeah two X1 pro-ts would work well. More flexibility in size and the fact that they are separate. No extra sensors, but yes, a lot cheaper and the fact that they are two separate pumps
Always looking forward for a video...parker..😂😂😂👍🏻
Haha thanks mate
Great video again, have you ever heard of the AWC reefloat from England? Cool idea, no so easy to understand for some people, but I think a completely different approach on AWC and easy to rebuild if you don't have to left hands 😉 cu gregor
Yeah I have seen them, I much prefer a plumbed in solution though. But I’m sure it has its place!
Just wondering whether you determined what the head height was when you had it connected to the RO tubing?? I saw that it was easily able to pump up your 1m rise in the backyard, but what about say 3m vertically? I’m thinking about the feasibility of running tubing from under my tank, into the roof cavity, then say a 10m run through the roof down into the laundry in my case. Obviously after all that, I’d still want a decent enough flow rate. I ask because I don’t see the head height for the x2sr published anywhere. Thanks!
that line in the backyard runs down the entire length of my house and into my fish room. Its about a 25m run and has an inclination of about 1.5m. It is enough to gravity feed RODI down to my fish room :)
This unit looks awesome!!!
Looking at my setup I’d figure I would like it in the garage but what about the ato? Can you extend the cabling? From the quick look at the video the connection looks like a headphone jack
Yeah you likely could. How far I am not sure though, as dc power doesn’t travel all the best - but a few extra meters no trouble :)
@@ParkersReef With which cable can you extend the cables?
@@marioe.2687 headphone extender
Thanks for this review, Parker… Could you post the no-flex tubing sizes you used to replace the green hoses? I’m thinking of doing the same runs for my fish room setup. Greatly appreciate it!
hey mate, I dont have the unit with me anymore to be sure - but I just used john guest stem adaptors. Probably around 3/8 size
@@ParkersReef - Thanks, chief.
@@kalasag9113 anytime!
I just put my Maxi Doser back in the cupboard and dragged the Litermeter back out. A really great test/comparison would be around noise (all systems do pretty much the same in theory). Kamoer vs. EcoTech vs GHL Maxi vs. Neptune DOS vs. Litermeter. With continuous AWC does it really matter how often or quickly it happens? But noise matters unless your pump is outside....
Agreed, noise is a big factor
Just rewatching your video as I’m considering this unit or the smaller X2S.
My question is…. After you converted it over to “Johnguest fittings”, did that smaller diameter line throw out the calibration or the volume of water that the X2SR can move?
And if you’re going to swap out for JG fittings then would the smaller and cheaper X2R be the better option?
Thanks.
The X2S isn't really a smaller version, it is the earlier model (as far as I am aware). So you might have trouble finding that one now, but even if you did - I'd always recommend the latest version which is the X2SR. No issues with John guest tubing adaptors, it is a peristaltic pump which isn't impacted (as much anyway) by tubing diameters. Of course you can and should recalibrate after changing the length and/or diameter of the tubing to be safe though.
Awesome review. I am tossing up between this and a Neptune DOS as an auto water change system. What are your thoughts/ opinion on the DOS system? I already have a Neptune apex so that part of it isn't a added cost. All reviews that I can find on CZcams seem very biased and mainly focus on its setup and not its performance.
DOS will get the job done nicely. If you already have an apex, the cost isn't too bad. They are probably the loudest pumps on the market though, so just keep the unit in a location where you cannot hear it :D
Killer unit! Question for you on saltwater reservoirs: how long is saltwater useable after you mix it? I was reading that magnesium and calcium will precipitate out after mixing so it doesn’t have a long shelf life.
I use NSW 95% of the time :)
Artificial Salt water I mix in batches of 200l at a time
I have used salt water mixed 2 weeks ago, I keep it in a clear container and don't see any precipitate. It is a 3 gallon container since my tank is only 12 gallon and I have used Fritz, reef crystals, and tropic marin salts and have not seen any precipitate with any of them. There may be a little film that forms but that happens for each salt and in mixes that I just mixed. After I used the salt water, I usually rinse it out and let it dry before putting in new RODI water and starting the process all over again.
Hey Sam, just picked up this water change pump, what barb connector did you use to connect the stock hose to John guest, im planning on doing the same but can’t find the correct fitting.
Appreciate the review video too btw
Hey mate, I just used 3/8 barb to stemp adaptors :)
@@ParkersReef legend, thanks mate
Nice review sam. I still prefer the Litermeter 3 though. You don't want to sell 1 of your Litermeter units by any chance? Seriously over not being able to purchase one here in Australia.
not selling mine just yet :) I am looking forward to their new model though (not that I have any inside word at all about what will be different with it)
Hi Sam, can this unit be run in conjunction with a separate ATO? Also can it be connected to an apex?
Yes separate ATO no problem. Doesn’t really connect to a apex though
Hi Sam, thanks for the review. To clarify if it senses an overfill situation it actually stops the AWC pump? Not just sound an alarm and keep pumping? I believe this is the case in the X2S.
Yeah great question, I don't have a unit here to test but I do believe that it will stop the AWC pump. I will try and track down a proper answer for you though
@@ParkersReef legend, thanks mate.
Can you share what you used for adapting the tubing to the 1/4” John guest system. Thanks! Also if I can’t do that way can you tell me what size that green tubing is? Thanks!
Chris.
Yeah just saw your other comment, the adaptor is stem to barb adaptor from John guest. You want the barb to be the same size as the hose that comes with the Kamoer (which I cannot recall off the top of my head) and then the stem can be almost any size as you can adapt that to whatever size John guest you want to use easily.
Hey Sam I have just brought this Kamoer and setup its running great 500ml per hour every hour 800litre setup, my question is do I now need to clean the sand ? I used to do it when changing the water. Now its automated do I even need to clean the sand bed?
I don’t clean my sand, that’s a job for snails :)
Just ordered one of these. Going to run the john guest tubing like you did. You think would be any issues using 3/8 tube. How did you join the hard pipe to the machine.
3/8 would be fine, I ran 1/4 inch without problem :)
I show the adapter pieces I used in the video, I just had them in my “John guest bits” bucket. See if you can warm up some of the included soft hose, then squeeze over some hard tubing that you can adapt to whatever size you like :)
@@ParkersReef ill do that. Wasnt sure if had to order and special fittings. Only just ordered it today so hoping to get it all installed befor my next fifo job
There isn’t an “official” fitting, but I’d like for a barb to John guest fitting in the sizes you want :)
What did Kamoer have to say about the safety and long-term impact on the pumps when you force it down to John Guest tubing?
They didn’t say anything. Bring a peristaltic pump I don’t foresee it as an issue, not like an impeller pump
Can you use the 2 main pumps for a ATO without the 24DC pump? Does the liquid level sensor use the main refill pump or the small pump?
Great question. From memory (I don’t have the review unit anymore) there are separate sensors for low, ato level and high.
Being that I am into 3D printing, and 3D printers use stepper Motors, one of the recent developments with 3D printers is silent stepper drivers. I wonder if these machines could be upgraded in the future to use silent stepper drivers to bring down the noise level of the machine?
Yeah that should be possible
How do you think this would go moving water a significant height? Wondering if it would get water upstairs.
No problem. Big peristaltic pumps will move water a long way :)
Hey Sam. How long would it take to push 100L you think. I’m think of having it set up and then just “unrolling the tubing” as needed to do an insta warer change on command.
300ml a minute man. So 100l would take 5.5 hours
@@ParkersReef you seem to be breaking up, sounds like you said 6 days is that correct...? 🤣
Hahah must be a bad line 😅😂
How do you ever leave your home to go on long vacation (holiday)? We left for about 26 days and had our friend (with plenty of instruction) care for our tank. Now the only living things are the 3 clown fish and mushroom corals. Almost 20 years of an established tank decimated by low salinity (1.023 to 1.020 for about 1 week) which is normally kept at 1.025. Our 55 gallon tank is covered with diatoms and we did some 10% water changes, added phosphate media. We use RO water, got salinity back up gradually in same day we got home and 5 days later we got some cerith and turbo snails to eat the diatoms. How do you leave your home and tank? Are there professionals that come and care for your tank while you are gone?
there are professionals that can come and check for you. I would highly encourage that for a 26 day absence, I normally go away for a week at tops and in that time frame my tank can manage itself. If it is more than a week, I would have a reef keeping buddy come and check the tank every 3-4 days to ensure all is well.
I know it’s an older video, did you ever have to calibrate it at all? Did you attempt larger water changes at all? I have had this for a few months now that I bought for my 360 gallon total volume system with the intent of doing 4 gallon water changes a day in the middle of the afternoon, I am using the tubing but my length of runs are longer than what came with it so I had to buy more. I’m having an awful time calibrating the flow speeds to get it to do an even 4 gallons in and 4 gallons out simultaneously, did you struggle with getting it to do the correct amount in and out at all? Or have any tips or suggestions on properly calibrating it?
Afraid I don’t have the test unit anymore so I can’t see what the software updates have done to the calibration steps, but I have heard it’s quite complex?
@@ParkersReef it’s an absolute pain. I’ve wasted days trying to get it to calibrate correctly. And there is little to no info out there on the calibration process to help anyone get it even close to right. The explanation they give makes it seem easy, but i have yet to get it right after days of trying to calibrate it following the steps they supposedly say you have to take. Just so little is out there on it that helps show you what to do
Hi Sam, Do you know where is a good place to get 1/4 inch John Guest tube in Melbourne in lengths greater than 10 meters. having trouble finding it locally. I'm looking for around 20 meters. Cheers
Hey Mark. Williamstown should have it on rolls I think, but best check with them first :)
Saturday 12:00 Watches Sam's review of the Kamoer X2SR
Saturday 13:00 Tries to work out how I could possibly plumb one of these into my house / tank
Saturday 13:30 Gives up trying to work it out based on where my tank is / lack of space / lack of clear path to outside water storage & drain
Saturday 14:00 Starts manual 10% water change - Approx 30 litres
Saturday 14:15 Finished cleaning up the 15 litres of saltwater I managed to dump all over the floor when I accidentally pulled siphon out of the sump during said water change
Saturday 14:30 Re-visiting how to add Auto water change to avoid this fiasco again. Options include drilling holes in walls / removing walls / moving house... Whatever it takes!
I don't believe in fate, but.....
Hahahahaha this literally made me laugh out loud 😅😂😅
@@ParkersReef To (mis) quote the great philosopher Mr Robbie Williams - "I am here for your entertainment".
It was less slightly funny at the time, but glad someone can get some amusement out of my pain :)
Hahaha sorry mate 😅
Classic Nigel, I have the same weekly dilema
@@chrisconnolly3239 I am sorry :D
Does Kamoa void warranty if you change the tubing as you’ve demonstrated in the video and something goes wrong?
Certainly not. You’re not modifying the pump at all
Hi Sam, thanks for the review! Please can you confirm that this unit can be permanently plumbed to perform SW water changes and RO ATO.
It sure can. Comes with a 24v impeller pump for ATO duties, so if you want it to do ATO you would need the unit to be near the tank :)
@@ParkersReef cheers Sam
Another newbie question, does it fill and drain simultaneously so if there is a separate ATO, RO water won’t be added unnecessarily? Thanks
You can set it to do at the same time or empty first then fill (in which case it will not switch on the ato)
Hi Sam first off great review really enjoyed it .
Second i know its a long shot but i have a quick question , i want to mount this unit under the house and run water lines through floor to tank in my bedroom to cut down on noise , I see the float sensors have a headphone plug that plugs into main unit do you know if i could extend these cables with headphone extension cable so i can run main pump unit under the floor and still run float sensors with extension cables . Thanks in advance for any help .
Hey Mark - thanks for watching! Yes you could, but I would be conscious of not extending too far (and if you do, you might need to add a relay to the system). That being said, I haven't tested extending those leads but I think you could likely add 10m or so to them before needing any complicated relay setup :)
@@ParkersReef Thanks for that Sam 10 meters would be plenty i think i might be able to get away with 6 meters i will keep in mind to keep as short as possible
@@markcooka1233 I think 6m wont be an issue at all mate - but do keep me updated!
Ii am waiting on John Guest fittings for RO unit and X2SR so i can run all John Guest piping right through auto water change system and also waiting for 6m headphone extension cables once hooked up will let you know how it goes .
@@markcooka1233 Sounds awesome!
A bit off topic Sam but my two clownfish are sticking to the upper corner just like yours. I’ve had them for two months, they’re the only fish in the tank, and I’m bummed!
Do you have any hope that they will eventually venture out?
They’ll likely stick to one spot as clowns don’t tend to swim far once settled.
They may pick a new spot in time though
@@ParkersReef I have exactly the same thing as both of you - two clowns hanging out in the top left corner of the tank.
I'm going to claim something scientific like alignment with the Magnetic North Pole or something similarly technical. No way is this a coincidence :)
One of them - very occasionally will go for a mosey to the other end of the tank - just to explore - but a few mins later they work out that there's no place like home and scurry back to the other corner to find their buddy...
Mine will swim the whole tank at feeding time, but otherwise their home is the top left corner :)
So if you had to set up AWC to only service the dream reef tank, would you stick with your litremeters or get the kamoa?
I’d be keen to see what and when the new litermeter is like for my use case as I need it to be very quiet :)
I have been messaging Litermeter every couple of months I can’t get a answer on the release date yet. I would be interested to know if anyone has any ideas when it could be released
We’d all love to know 😅
I just received mine and I’m having a few issues, the ends of each tube always drain a few inches of water out of the tube after it stops pumping, also how did you connect the RO/DI line to it? I would really like to do this as it seems much more appropriate, do you have links to what you used?
hey mate, yeah that will just be the soft hose depressurising. You can adapt to john guest style tubing with a stem to barb adaptor. Measure up the hose on the unit for the barb size and get the stem to suit whatever hard line you wish to convert to.
@@ParkersReef oh alright thank you I appreciate it, but I was hoping you had the links or know what size fittings because I have no idea how to figure it out
Would love to have one of these babies
They’re good units!
I am late to the scene...but still Let me start off by thanking you for the super informative unbiased content you put out for everyone in this hobby. Just like everyone else i also follow yr channel. Thanks again and 👌🏻👌🏻.
So now coming to this AWC thing, its really is one of the most sought after things these days and its proving its worth i suppose. I did watch your Litermeter AWC content and this one now. My doubt/question is if the system has a gravity ATO system like in Cade (which even u you have ) how does this AWC work? Does it mean that we have to bypass the gravity ATO system completely and use the sensor based system or is there any other way ?
Reason for asking is in next couple of months i am setting up a Cade S21500 and this question is lurking on for quiet some time which will also decide if i shud opt for any of these AWC systems.
Thanks and Regards.
thanks for watching and following the channel! OK, so with AWC and top off, it is not actually as bad as you think. It goes one of two ways:
1. You pump water in and out at the same time and ATO is not affected
2. You do it at different times and it is affected.
However, even if it is affected, as long as you are not doing large changes in a staggered timing (which you wouldn't anyway) your ATO will be fine. The litermeter for instance, splits its daily amount up into 144 chunks. So if you are changing 10L of water a day, it will change 70ml at a time. If your pump to move water out goes on and removes 70ml of water and that sets off your ATO, in 5mins time, the pump to bring water in comes on and brings in 70ml of water. Potentially raising your sump level by 70ml more than you want (a TINY amount). Then the ATO wont go on again until that has evaporated.
A good video to review would be this one:
czcams.com/video/Uqq5nf3Lv-0/video.html
@@ParkersReef Hey Sam
Many thanks for your prompt and valuable reply. This really will help me as far as Cade gravity overflow is concerned. Just little initial trial and fine tuning will be needed, but that anyway is needed with any controller. The Myth/facts video further made it simpler.
Lets see what i end up with as either of these 3 ,Autoaqua, Kamoer and Litermeter will have to be imported. Kamoer will be easier relatively.
Thanks again
Regards.
@@sameerjathar8062 personally I am using 2 of the Kamoer X1 Pro-T2 at the moent and they've been fantastic
@@ParkersReef Will have a look at those too.
Thanks
Can you do a video on how you converted to John Guest fitting please
Simply barb to stem adaptors. You can pick them up in a number of sizes :)
Hi Mate, I’m in Australia and trying to find that exact adapter, are you able to point me out. I’ve also been touch and go about this 2nd version so answered my questions.
Adapter to John guest?
I just used a hose barb to 3/8 fitting and then a 3/8 to 1/4 adapter
I wonder how well this would deal with long hose runs and different water heights.
Very well actually. If you watch the whole video, I actually test it over a 25m run. Peristaltic pumps are beasts 👌🏻
Hi mate, I'm contemplating freeing up my weekends with one of these. If I can find one in the country. What size stem goes into that plastic tubing?
It’s about a 12mm from memory, check with deer park aquarium - I believe they have some in stock
@@ParkersReef Done. Should I say Parker sent me for some action?
Always!!
When can we get a update on your dream reef tank dude.I am a big fan of your dream reef tank.
it's coming soon, I only did the 3 month update a little while ago and don't want to bore you with the same info. Just gotta take it slow, but will give an update on how all the corals are going really soon!
Hey Sam how are you mate. I bought this from deer park afew months back. I'm having trouble connecting the device to my home WiFi? Is that a common issue with these? Cheers
Hey Niko, Make sure you are using the Kamoer remote app, have your 2.4ghz and 5ghz networks named differently and follow the instruction in the app and you should be fine. Yell out if you have trouble :)
@@ParkersReef got it all figured out thanks appreciate it 😊
Love your videos i have 8 - 4 ft Fresh water tanks with central 6 x 2 sump what system would you recommend for automatic water change i premix my water in 1000ltr tank to suit required ph Cheers
yeah you bet, would do the job nicely!
@@ParkersReef Thanks for getting back to me are you the Stockist i,m in Perth
Great video. Is it me or is reefing equipment becoming ridiculously expensive?
It is, but it’s also becoming significantly more advanced
It's a lot less work though. Also the bankers are printing money like crazy and lining their pockets so inflation is always at an all time high nowadays.
All of that extra vibration in the smaller quarter inch tubing would make me nervous about anyting unplugging itself over time
use proper john guest fittings and tubing and you wont have any issue
Did you ever change the hose over to 1/4 instead of the thick hose that came with the pump? I’m thinking about getting a unit to pump from my basement. However I don’t think my wife will appreciate me drilling that big of a hole in the hardwood floor.
I did in this video yes :)
Thanks for the reply. I watched this video some time ago. However I forgot how you went thru the whole testing process in the video. I only looked at the first part of the video today. So I should have looked at the whole video again today. Thanks again for the great videos and for getting back to me. Next time I will look at the whole video before I ask a question that has been answered in the video.😁
Haha all good mate, had me questioning myself as I was sure I did put it in the footage 😅
Thanks for watching and comments are always welcome 👍🏻
How do those hydraulic pulsations affect the fish?
I haven't seen any effects
Hi, what do you recommend buying.... The Kamoer x2SR or Spectrapure Litre meter 4? Thank you
Kamoer. The spectrapure is a quality bit of gear, but the post sales support is not there
@@ParkersReef 👍
hows the noise iwth doing say 40ml / min? atm using versa's for auto water change and happy with them, can barely hear them
As far as I can see you cannot adjust the speed.
@@ParkersReef does it have the ability to do a constant water change on the schedule, ect, set the schedule for all day / night and then set the amount to change, it might adjust the flowrate to suit that amount of water
No it works like your normal doser whereby you set the amount you want to change a day and how many times a day you want to split that by.
Can you please tell me what size tubing I will need? I need like 30 feet of tubing!
Check out the size of the tubing that comes with it, from memory it was around 3/8 inches (but I don't have one here to check against)
Would be nice to have this but unfortunately kamoer units aren't available by us anymore, even the ato which you reviewed isn't available as much. Apparently to import its gone 3x the price pre covid so now it's not worth it for the shops
Where are you located? These are available in australia easily enough?
South Africa bro, kamoer isn't brought in anymore cause it's 3x the price it was its about 318 aus dollars once u converted it
Used to be R1200 which was about 106 aus dollars, then the shop said it would cost him 3x as much to bring in a box of 30 of the ato so it would increase 3 fold and ye now its 300 dollar once u convert it
Could I accomplish the same with 2 Pro T pumps? Assume it's all within ten feet - no long runs.
Absolutely, that’s what I use
I was just thinking about getting this, good review!!! , it still as loud if not louder than my Neptune DOS though, I’m looking for a auto water change system that is virtually silent, I was thinking maybe 2 kamoer fx-stp since they are supposedly dead silent
it's not as loud as the dos, those things sound like a jet taking off! fx-stp is quiet, but look into the much cheaper Kamoer X1 pro-t ;)
@@ParkersReef yeah I find the DOS Are very loud no matter what they are doing, thanks I will check that out!!
How often do you need to calibrate the pumps?
I’d recommend every three months.
I need to figure out an automatic water changing system for a freshwater aquarium. I need something to green one or two gallons a day down into a sewer and then fill from a safe tap source [well water] .
typically with freshwater, you just do an overflow system and have it gravity fill
@@ParkersReef can this be done without having input or output water buffer tanks?
so, the output will go straight into a drain, an din input line will be plumbed from house water? [private well with water safe for the fish] No extra water tanks?
What's the vertical pump ability?
About two stories
Litremetre still your no.1 for awc?
Kamoer x1 pro t2 is my go to man.
Hi Sam, is this unit available with Dave, deer park Aquariam???
He is placing an order now. Shoot him a message to add one to it if you’re keen :)
@@ParkersReef will do I guess as I need one now can’t wait for the one you have as they are just not releasing the new model.
@@mudasirmohammed6778 I am sure you will be pleased with this device - it is working a treat
@@ParkersReef Done I have messaged Dave on messenger. Hopefully he will see it and order one for me. I will swing pass his shop on Monday. Cheers Sam
I believe has has six coming this week :)
Kamoer x2sr or 2 ecotech versa? Thx
I'd actually go 2 kamoer X1 pro t or t2 instead :)
Wow. I wanted for water changes and need to push 15 meters. I will follow your advice and go for t2
I’m using T2 and loving them
The Ecotech Versa maxes out at 300ml/min
Yeah but it is crazy noisy at that speed
@@ParkersReef pumps manufactured in the first year were but they have been redesigned and improved Im in my 4th pair and the new ones are definitely quieter, none the less I only use them at 100ml/min plenty to do 2% water change/day
Good to hear! We don’t have any stock available in australia and haven’t had for a long time :(
Is that a major bloom in the sand? The "skip the ugly stage" really seems like a myth.
I certainly wouldn't call it a "major bloom", but yes, that is my ugly stage. Never expected to "skip" it though
Skipping the ugly stage doesn’t mean that you will never encounter algae. That bloom on the sand has nothing to do with an ugly stage. If you wanna know what an ugly stage looks like just jump over to Tidal Gardens channel and watch their SPS show tank go through a proper ugly stage.
Exactly. Plus I never said I was skipping the ugly stage :)
Saying that you said that you would skip the ugly stage was never my intention :). But I sure hoped that you would avoid most of it with the amount of pre cycled media that was used in the tank. I am in the planning stages of a zeovit system in which live rock is stated to be required for a 14 day cycle. I cant nor want to start with live rock so I was hoping to use my already mature media from my current tank abd cruise the 14 day cycle. My hopes are down in making it without seeing the nasty stuff.
Ugly stage is nothing to fear!
Wow for under 700 bucks this kills the auto aqua which I paid over 400 bucks for, with the wifi control and added sensors which I would want for fresh salt and RO water storage means there would be now worries with running out of saltwater for water change and I could get a warning for low level of top off water etc. The auto aqua has none of that and also just uses basic 12 volt dc pumps for moving water. Definitely a nice system to look at especially for that added peace of mind.
Yeah it certainly oozes quality. Noise is a side effect of big peristaltic pumps which I am happy to deal with for the performance they give :)
@@ParkersReef I'm guessing you will be buying one for yourself.
I’m hanging to see what litermeter do with their new pump, only because I’ve used them for about 7 years so have a lot of brand loyalty.
But, if I don’t like it, I’ll be going Kamoer I think
I don’t understand why you don’t use an Apex. You have all these individual components when it can all be in one place. The apex DOS is the best water changer by far.
I don't understand why everyone likes to put all their critical components under the control of a system that is not what I would consider reliable? What makes you think the Apex Dos is the best water changer by far? I'm not a massive fan of them, they are incredible loud, expensive and large.
But yes, they have some benefits - you can control it via your apex (although you can control this via an app) and you can set it to not turn on your ATO (like this) and have some safety over and under float switches (like this....)
@@ParkersReef I run my entire system on Apex and have for 10 years. I control and monitor everything also all info in one place. I am a building controls professional by career and their system is very reliable and easy. The steppers on the DOS is the same as the ones you just reviewed. All steppers make noise as you stated.
@@Wyz1981 that's good mate, glad you enjoy your apex. (Y)
The stepper motor isn't the part that makes the noise, it is the peristaltic pump and they vary greatly from brand to brand.
I'm really sorry but this review is inaccurate. This pump set at 60 rpm will move 110ml in 30 seconds and you can barely hear it. The only reason to have it set to its default speed would be for large manual changes and even then you could set it lower than the default for sure. So it is not loud at all in my opinion. NDOS is 20 times louder and moves far far less water. As for the size and weight it is necessary. The weight actually keeps it grounded and it has zero vibration. When you refer to a product that accurately moves large volumes of water like this indeed does you want it to be heavy. I think of quality when referring to weight in this situation. I ordered 3/8 id black vinyl tubing and it holds the water even in that large of tubing. It runs from DT area to bathroom drain, also to my new saltwater in garage, so even with large tubing and different size run lengths it still changes the exact amount on both heads. This product is worth its weight in gold and should not be compared to any of the water change systems mentioned in this review. Its quality deserves a professional video. I would have edited the back shed footage because I was distracted by the tree growing in. Parker I have watched, enjoyed , and learned from most of your videos. So I would never make it personal. You seem like a great guy so my apologies if any offense is taken but even if the consumers are rushing you to get content out there it is important to not rush it. Personally I don't like loud devices so that part of the review almost made me not make the purchase. Due to the limited availability of all WC systems I went ahead when I found one finally on aqua cave. I am so glad I did and I think if you spend more time with it you will agree it is second to no other WC system on the market at this time. Honestly if there were other videos on this specific product I wouldn't even comment but because this is 1 of 3 out there I feel it would help some get a better idea of how this product works. It is early in my testing but so far this product could change the game on top of the water it changes. I currently have it set up in my home and can't hear it at all. The NDOS in my GARAGE could be heard each and every time it turned on INSIDE MY HOUSE. The X2SR is 3 feet from my DT if that and I can't hear it at all. Zero!! Even when I'm watching it I only hear a soft hum. That is the absolute truth. Go out and get you one of these bad boys, you won't regret it.
Hey Jeremy, sorry you didn’t think this was a positive review?
At the time of filming, I don’t believe there was an option to change the pump speed - which has been a huge step forward.
But thanks for the feedback, I’d love to see your review if you’re doing one?