Hand pumping the .25 cal Air Venturi Avenger
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- čas přidán 26. 08. 2024
- Using an MK5 Hill hand pump - which claims capability up to 4500 psi.
I've only pumped to a max pressure of 4350 psi (that's the max pressure for the Air Venturi Avenger .25 cal).
This time I only pumped to just over 4000 psi... to keep the video shorter.
Thanks for proving that it can be done! People pay big money for Gym memberships, they just need a pcp and hand pump!
Yep... I'm not a huge exercise buff, but this kind of exercise I actually enjoy... maybe I'm nuts.
~Mik
I’m right there with ya Mik!! Good working, and good fun!
104 strokes! Holy Moley! Thanks for the video!
Pretty cool that this thing doesn’t need a fill probe! Just hook up and pump!
Hand pumping this PCP rifle is not for an old man... I've done it two times and the air compressor arrived in time ... no more 190 reps.
Nor for this old man, I'm 70. My Omega 4500 psi air compressor is one of the best buys I've ever made.
@@bltefft I'm 80 and I have no trouble filling my BSA CLX quite quickly to max. The Hill pump is amazing compared with a cheap one that even with my full 75 kilos would not push the air in.
Fuck that I'm about to die and didn't fill out anything pumping for 2 days 😢
Next video; how i can drink from a bottle....
Think I'd open up that front stock and pull the small tube out and plug it. Lose a few shots but I don't think it would be a bad trade off to get up and shooting faster. Had a tumor on my lower back so I don't think I'll be tackling that beast to start with. Fun watching someone else do it though. lol
Interesting thought!
The only air rifle I am ok hand pumping is the origin. It's 120 to full 3600. Oh and the new notos. That is about the same
Hey, I am less than a week out of a major heart procedure and I can pump up to 3k doing the technique properly by using my legs. Hatsan pump, same airgun.
Nice!
@@mik1705 Yes 67 and dodged the big one. Word of advice, if you are willing. Learn the difference between heart burn and you heart tying to tell you something. I felt no pain but strangely my heart felt just a bit tired. Almost like curling a two pound weight and quitting before the burn. It’s a subtle feeling in your chest that maybe a gulp or two of water won’t take care of. Do not talk to your doctor but write them. When words are put down then they react with speed. This insured and kicked off test after test then a stent. The widow maker was blocked 100% but my heart grew additional arteries to restore the flow. Yes Virginia this is the body trying to survive. Another was blocked at 95% and opened to 100% flow. The kicker here is my ejection rate was 69% before the procedure which can indicate no tissue damage occurred and/or was replaces by scar tissue. The old pump was going to give me all it had till it stopped dead. I am so very fortunate that my pump is still pumping so I can, with plenty of caution, pump my airgun pump. With permission of course. 10 shots 30 yards, 3/4 inch yesterday. 30 yards is as far as my property will allow without pointing at the neighbors house. POW POW POW. DonnL + summo……what they don’t know can’t hurt them.
If I can add one more bit of body trying to tell you something. This is my feeling not backed by science and not playing doctor. Think about it, when your heart is screaming at you to pay attention, it also at the same time it is screaming at your blood supply to repair the damaged area. It does this by increasing the inflammation in the area that needs attention. The body the blood then brings all the building material that is needed to repair the damage in that area. Unfortunately the whole body gets the inflammatory response. And so other areas of your body that need a little help well, they get a lot of help. And in cases like minor back pain, that pain will increase because the swelling in that area will increase because of the unneeded inflammatory response. Does that make sense? So when you start getting aches and pains that you didn’t particularly have before or were calls from overexertion. And your white blood cell count rises but there’s no infection and there’s no fever. These should raise alarms. You should question your body as to where the inflammatory response is being called. Listen to you body snd do not ignore the smaller aches and pains that do not result from exercise. You heart maybe talking to you subtly like mine did. As Jesus has said listen to the still voice. It is screaming at you. My back pain is gone! Could this be because of rest? Maybe. Could this be because my overall inflammatory response is less? Maybe.
that was a lot more pumps than I was expecting when I saw you start at 3k PSI. I just bought a $60 pump on amazon. Wondering if I should have just spent $300 on a compressor lmao
I'd be interested in more details about the Amazon pump... how many stages, and what max psi it says it's capable of. Many hand pumps aren't capable of getting up to 4350psi which is the max for the Avenger I have. And, you are correct of course, when you get up in those higher pressures, it takes a lot more pumps to make progress 😓
My Hatsan Vectis has a 165cc tank this one has 180cc I think? It’s regulated also, so you can use the power that you need for your application.. I’m looking forward to that! I have a Benjamin pump.. it works well. It is a workout, but worth it.. eventually I’d love to get a tank.
у меня был хилл мк 4! после 2 лет сломалась резьба на второй ступени что входит в ступицу внизу. сейчас мк5 посмотрим сколько прослужит...
yup it is just like that to pump my Hatson bull pup ... got to love it ... and I do
👍
from 3k to 3 7k i have to modify into a full body dropping technique to make any progress and at roughly 3.7k, i simply can't pump it any further regardless of what acrobatics I've tried. that's it. also, im definitely too winded to do it all in one session
same here. I am 70 and hand-pumping my hatsan bull boss takes me 2 days. I am thinking about modifying a press to do the work for me. fill up a couple of tubes and you are ready to go.
We gonna go hunt wabbit
How do you like the Avenger? trying to decide between this and the Gauntlet.
I love the Avenger... based on vids I watched on the Avenger on AEAC channel and reviews of both... it seemed to me that the Avenger had better reviews and more features than the Gauntlet, so I went with the Avenger. No issues so far... I really like it. I have not played with the tuning yet. I have to get a chrony first. No sense playing with the tuning, in my view, until I can see how the speed is affected.
Someone on Reddit said: "Avenger has one huge advantage over the Gauntlet, adjustability. Gauntlet doesnt have adjustable hammer spring tension and you have to disassemble the reg to adjust pressure. Both are in the "needs polishing" price range, both are pretty darn accurate."
@@mik1705 You can adjust the hammer spring on the Gauntlet. You can even put a small hole in the stock to adjust it similar to the AV.
See STKO channel. Hajimoto Productions channel shows everything about the Gauntlet. Southern Gunner channel has every caliber of the Gauntlet and each is highly modified, he also has the AV, as well as every other PCP you can think of. You can also add a big bottle to the Gauntlet.
To me the Gauntlet is nice as a bench rifle, or for still hunting.
The AV is nice for carrying while hunting and is easier to adjust.
I would buy both.
@@heithwatkins ok thanks! I was just going by what I read... thanks for pointing me in the right direction.
@@heithwatkins im fairly sure the avenger is putting out significantly more fpe, at least in .25. yesterday i took out a starling 90 yds away and at least half that distance up a tree with about an 8 inch holdover. was a thing of beauty
So in real time it takes 6 minutes to fill a 4600psi pellet gun up? Even with a cheap 3 stage hand pump?
I can only speak about the MK5 Hill Pump... I don't know about other pumps. In this video, I started at 3000 psi, and pumped it up to just over 4000 psi (to keep video shorter and because its not very exciting). The max is 4350 psi, and I have done that... so if I had gone from 3000 to 4350 psi, that would have taken a couple extra minutes.
I have another video where I went from 3000 to 4350psi in 7:23 (7 mins, 23 secs).
czcams.com/video/lDPl7cCszBU/video.html
Takes longer if starting from 0 psi, and likely have to take a break to let the pump cool down at least once.
Another one I did from 1700 to 4350 psi took 13:44.
czcams.com/video/bmBiJGx8l3I/video.html
@@mik1705 Thinking of getting a 350$ air compressor from Amazon first. Is that a good Idea? Has decent reviews.
@@pricelessppp seems like a good idea to me, but I can't vouch for it (no experience with that compressor)... I just didn't want to spend the money, until I was confident I liked PCP's... this is my first PCP.
@@mik1705 I think I'm going to have fun with PCP's It's better than break barrels and c02! What's a fair price for a entry level PCP portable Charger?
@@pricelessppp when you say charger... I assume you mean compressor? If so, the one for $350 that you mentioned would be a very fair price... if it was a good compressor. They are usually priced at a minimum of $500-$700 for budget compressors.
So to consistently fill my gun air reservoir at the ideal psi, my tank must always be at the psi?
Example: I want my gun consistently at 2900 psi, my tank cannot be lower in psi, to fill my expected psi?
If you want to be sure to always get exactly 2900 psi... then, Yes... you could keep your reservoir at 2900 psi. This would mean, that after every shot, you would have to pump the reservoir back up to exactly 2900 psi. Course the gauges accuracy might not be that good... so you'd still have some variability.
But, the .25 cal Avenger is "Regulated" as you likely are aware. This means that as long as your reservoir pressure is greater than 2900 psi (assuming your regulator pressure is set to 2900 psi), you should always get 2900 psi of pressure for every shot until the reservoir pressure drops below 2900 psi.
However, the regulator gauge likely also has some variability (and mine creeps up from where I have mine set, I have mine set now at ~2000 psi, and it creeps up to 2200 psi so my first shot is faster). So, regulator likely has some variability as well. For a $300 air rifle the gauges (reservoir and regulator) are likely not the most precise.
~Mik
Which pellets are you using and what's your regulator set at?
Using JSB Exact King .25 Diabolo pellets 25.39 gr mostly... I also have 26 gr FX Hybrid slugs that I use, but mostly the pellets so far. The regulator came set at 2900 psi from the factory, but for plinking I wanted more shots per fill, so I turned it down to 1800 psi.... see the Owner's manual before attempting so you don't break the regulator.
@@mik1705 thanks!
Show me accurate test in Air Venturi .177;🙏 please
I only have a .25 cal. So I can't show you the .177 accuracy.
~Mik
you made that look way too easy
With the G9 pump this takes 240+ pumps. Not sure how you many you needed? (From bleeding the gun completely to 4000psi.)
I'll check and get back to you next week. Busy now
I'm trying to decide what pump I should get?
Yup, that's a big question I think for most people and also a barrier to entry for a lot of people considering getting in to PCP airguns. Of course, the "right answer" as is usually the case, is - it depends.
It depends if the person buying the pump can physically actually operate the pump up to whatever pressure their specific rifle requires for starters. If not, they should go with an electric pump.
Then, how much do they shoot, and are they going to be ok pumping up the gun 6-10 mins each time, 3x per day if they shoot that much (I get 25-30 shots each time with my .25 cal, then I have to pump again.).
I bought the MK5 Hill Pump from Pyramid Air, and added on the optional dry pac system... although I think it was Steve Shalley from the AEAC channel that said these modern airguns are designed to handle a little moisture (you get some moisture with high pressure air - that's just how it is). So, it may not be necessary to pay the extra money for the dry pac add-on.
I like the MK5 Hill pump, and don't mind pumping up the gun with it. But, I'm not shooting a ton right now... as it is pretty cold now. And, I don't shoot competition. If you shoot a lot, you might need an electric portable pump and/or a carbon fiber bottle you can fill up to 4500 psi, but those are ~$600 too).
Here's a link, in case its helpful:
Hill MK5 Hand Pump, Up to 4500
www.pyramydair.com/s/a/Air_Venturi_MK5_Pump_Kit_by_Hill_Hand_Pump_Up_to_4500_PSI/9655
~Mik
I got one off Amazon for $150 that came with the de-humidifier kit. I believe the brand name was Ox. No issues with it and it’s been 5 months already.
I have a 45$ eBay pump and am honestly quite happy with it :)
@@PraetzelProjects what kind/brand is it? And, how many psi / bar can it pump up to?
@@mik1705 310 bar
4500psi
May be a bit more finicky than it’s more expensive brothers
After all of that work how many shots do you get?
I did another video where I started at 4200 psi in the reservoir and got 40 shots... but I had turned the regulator pressure down to 1800 (2900 psi from the factory). Turned it back up since to ~2400 psi, and get ~32 good shots. That's plenty for me... in a hunting situation I can go for days with that. Target shooting it would be nice to have a compressor but I'm still liking the rifle and hand pump. Maybe I'll get a compressor some day, but not yet.
~Mik
Here's a link to the other video I mentioned:
czcams.com/video/uPr56Egrj4o/video.html
@@mik1705 That's strange. Been looking into buying my first PCP, and recently read a couple of articles by Stephen Archer on Hard Air Magazine online ( hardairmagazine.com/reviews/air-venturi-avenger-hand-pump-tune/ ), where he discusses his "hand pump" tune for the Avenger. He claims to get 90 consistent shots with just 3000 psi, and 48 with only 2000 psi. This is using 14.66g pellets at an average velocity of 801 fps (roughly 21fpe). I also watched a video on AEAC Vlog's channel where he covers the details of three tunes he developed. His "Eco tune" produced numbers similar to Mr. Archer's. Based on this article, and video, I was thinking that an Avenger and hand pump would suit my backyard needs just fine, with the ability to bump things up if I ever felt the need. With this in mind I was strongly considering buying one. But, with your above comment, and the shot count you report, at the pressures you mention, I'm not so sure that this gun is for me after all. Maybe I'll save the $$$ and labor, and just stick with my QB78....
@@michaelc3416 it looks like they were tuning a .22 cal Avenger. Mine is a .25 cal Avenger. So I'm going to use more air than a .22 cal. Also, I'm seeing guys say they were losing air around the bolt probe... and that later they changed the material of the o-rings maybe? I'll have to check that... one guy said drape a piece of single ply toilet paper over bolt and shoot it and see if the toilet paper moves. If it moves your losing air... I'll have to check mine.
~Mik
@@mik1705 The .25 vs. .22 may be the difference. Although, I saw somewhere, that due to budget constraints, the only difference between the two calibers was the bore dimension itself. If that's the case, I wouldn't expect such a wide disparity in shot counts. Most especially with the wide variance of beginning tube pressures. With the work of the hand pump, for my uses 30-30 shots per, at over 4000 psi starting pressure, this gun wouldn't be for me. I need to do more research on what most people are getting for shot counts at various settings and starting pressure... Thanks for the reply!
@@michaelc3416 hardairmagazine.com/ham-columns/pcp-efficiency-what-is-it-what-changes-it/
Here's an article related to how much energy used per shot... (if reading between the lines). If shooting .22 cal with 14.66 gr pellet vs. .25 cal with 33.95 gr pellet which I'm using now, and both were at velocities of 860 fps which is where my velocity is... a 14.66 gr pellet would have ~24.08 fpe and a 33.95 gr pellet at 860 fps would have ~55.8 fpe. It would take more air per shot to generate 55.8 fpe vs. 24.08 fpe. Hope this makes sense.
~Mik
Air venturi avenger bullpup cilyander life please answer
Sorry, I don't know about the bullpup.
@@mik1705 your air venturi avenger cilyander life please answer
@@saddamhusainsaddamhusain8377
With .25 cal Avenger... I got 32 shots when I pumped it up to 3500 psi.
Here's the video for that:
czcams.com/video/gJNBIWB-djY/video.html
I got over 40 shots when I pumped it up to 4350 psi. But that was with the regulator pressure turned down to 2200 psi instead of the factory regulator setting of 2900 psi. I didn't have a video of that.
@@mik1705 what is the validity of air venturi avenger cilyander
@@saddamhusainsaddamhusain8377 Sorry, I don't understand the question. Please rephrase the question.
Air compressor only 300 bucks last bout 2 yrs !
Which one?
How do you enjoy the avenger? I’m deciding in between the marauder pistol or some Olympic style pistol that can be converted to be a carbine.
I like it! I was thinking I'd be shooting dime-sized groups from 10-50 yards no trouble... but found out, gotta shoot at 10, 20, 30, 40, 50, and know how much it shoots high or low at those ranges. Once you get this and know it instantly it will be good. And don't introduce too many different projectiles into the mix. I'm a practical guy and not too interested in too much fiddling around... so, I'm planning to dial it in at all those distances with one projectile and tape a card to the side of the stock with the numbers for drop... so I can instantly hit a dime at all those distances by holding over or under as required... if when I get this done and the rifle is capable of this... then I'll love the Avenger. So, far, I have more work to do.
~Mik
@@mik1705 Glad to hear you liked it! Curious I'm also thinking of looking at a PCP pistol as well any recommendations? And do I really need a scuba tank or a air compressor to Jump into PCP's from the get go? I'm really looking forward to giving one a try I'm just not into nitro piston rifles.
@@pricelessppp I can't recommend any pistols... never had any PCP pistols, so I don't know anything about the pistols. I don't mind hand pumping the Avenger... and I'm 185lbs and not the most physically fit. Can't imagine it would be too difficult to pump up a PCP pistol as the tanks on most have to be smaller than the tank on a rifle. If I really get into PCP rifles, I'll likely get a compressor some day... and a tank would be nice too, but with what I would buy... I'd be looking at $1800 ($1200 for compressor, and $600 for carbon fiber bottle). So, not ready to commit to that much $$$ yet.
~Mik
@@mik1705 Can I use a shop compressor that can pressure wash? It has a bleed valve etc also it has a 3000psi rating and also can create air for said guns also we can use it to fill bike tires etc also can swap out to valve nipple to fill the gun up.
@@pricelessppp not familiar with that kind of compressor, but if it can attain 3000 psi, you could pump up the Avenger say to 3000 psi and get probably at least a dozen could full power shots out of it. Top pressure in the .25 cal Avenger is 4350 psi... so quite a bit more than some. Other PCP's have lower max pressures so 3000 psi would be good for many.
I think I’ll take the $350 and buy more Ammo for the guns I have
On average, how many shots do you get out of a "typical" charge?
I couldn't recall for sure... so I just went out and shot a quick series:
I have a .25 cal Avenger.
I'm using .25 cal JSB Exact King Heavy pellets (33.95 gr).
I started with approximately 4050 to 4100 psi in the reservoir (I typically don't pump it all the way up to 300 bar (~4350 psi)).
I have my regulator pressure set to ~2400 psi.
I shot 24 shots and the reservoir pressure was still above the regulator pressure, so I shot 8 more, for a total of 32 shots.
Reservoir pressure was now down to 2400 psi, same as the regulator pressure. So I stopped.
I got 32 good full power shots.
I'm sure I could have shot another 8 shots with decent power but since this was a quick experiment I didn't have my chrony with me so I didn't... as I wouldn't have any idea how good the shots were (how fast they were going). I had tuned my Avenger previously to shoot these 33.95 grs at around 860 fps.
~Mik
@@mik1705 Thanks so much for taking the time to do this! I have been intrigued in this gun, but honestly have not spent enough time researching and understanding it just yet. This goes a long way in helping me understand. It has been a while since you first posted. what is your feeling on the guns performance? Do you still like it? Again, Thank you!
@@jeffreinardy7570 I still really like my Avenger... just busy so no postings. for some time. I wanted the .25 cal for larger varmints... but haven't hunted anything larger than squirrels so far. If you didn't "need" the power of the .25 cal... I'm guessing but do not know for a fact, that the .22 cal would get even more shots than the .25 cal.
~Mik
@@mik1705 Last question, how long can the charge stay? If the gun sits for some time, do you want to take the pressure off, or will it diminish over time? OR will it stay charged, "indefinitely" and is that OK? Appreciate it!
@@jeffreinardy7570 I've never noticed it lose any pressure... it came with ~1000 psi in it when I received it, and I understand that it should always have pressure in it when its stored for long periods.
Here's an article on storage pressure:
www.airgunnation.com/threads/pressure-and-storage-of-a-pcp.288940/#:~:text=I%20rarely%20shoot%20down%20past,I%20pick%20up%20the%20gun.
What pump do you have
MK5 Hill Pump
Fill you the pump with coolant?
No coolant in the pump. If it gets hot you have to stop and let it cool off.
@@mik1705 The Chinese manufacturer writes in the instructions:
"The water of the air-cooled barrel is between the secondary and tertiary tubes. The water has already been added. Sealed inside, no need to add water-cooled
conduction heat, not refrigeration. Fever is normal, indicating that heat is
discharged to continue working."
I think the manufacturer poured some liquid. And I do not know whether it is worth replacing it with antifreeze, leaving it as it is or removing it altogether.
@@user-tu9jv3ct9c ok, thanks for the info. I'm not familiar with that pump design. My MK5 Hill pump does not have water cooling. So, I can't comment or advise if it would be ok, to replace with antifreeze.
@@mik1705 Thanks.
I got the benjamin pump only goes to 3500psi. What PCP should I get next I currently own the benjamin maximus .22 and it leaks so I want to get another airgun
I think you could still get the Air Venturi Avenger... I got the .25 cal, but could likely get 25 good shots if I "only" pumped it up to 3500 psi. When I dropped my reg pressure down to 1800 psi, I got 40 "good shots" if you saw my other video. And... if you were willing to go with the .22 cal Avenger (instead of the .25 cal), you could get even more shots with the .22 cal, if you set your regulator to 1800 psi and pumped it up to 3500 psi. You could probably get 40 or 50 shots. Look at AEAC channel at 5:55 into the video czcams.com/video/oUpBxCbi5o8/video.html where Steve did a few different tunes for the .22 cal. He got 115 shots out of the .22 cal with the regulator turned down even more, to 1400 psi (he calls it the eco tune - this is for the .22 cal, probably can't turn the .25 cal regulator down that low... I have mine at 1800 psi as I said). You should be able to get a good idea how many shots you could get if you pumped it up to 3500 psi.
~Mik
@@mik1705 thanks a lot I checked that vid out and am definitely think of it now and I just want a .25 for small game hunting,
@@mik1705 any leaks on it I'm just hunted by leaks 😭
@@killer_bro_empireitsme3613 I have not had any issues with it and... no leaks.
I've got about 400 shots through it so far.... just not enough time in the day to do more.
czcams.com/video/gJNBIWB-djY/video.html
I was doing another experiment so I figured... why not just pump it up to 3500 psi and see how many shots I can get... see the link to the video above. Note: as mentioned, I tuned my regulator pressure down to 1800 psi (down from the factory setting of 2900 psi for the .25 cal) I got at least 24 good shots and maybe as many as 28 (I wasn't watching the reservoir pressure between those last shots so I got down below the regulator pressure of 1800 psi - I got down to ~1450 psi but it was still shooting fine). I shot 32 shots total, and while the last few may have been unregulated shots (likely the reservoir pressure was below the regulator pressure of 1800 psi) - they still felt good and shot just fine.
First, never stand if front of the gun especially when you're working on it under pressure.
Thanks
I'll take a break barrel or an under lever any day, i have 1 pcp with a hand pump and it's collecting dust 😜😜
What is the make and model? I’m interested in buying a pcp rifle and pump for the right price and product.
@@Evoheart620 Hatsan flash in 22 cal..it has maybe 100 pellets down the tube and dime size group at 30 yds the pump is an off brand from Amazon i may be interested in selling for the right price 😜😜
There has to be an easier way !!
It's called yong heng. 😂