Why Didn't Jesus & the Holy Spirit Know the Hour?
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Why doesn't Jesus say that He and the Holy Spirit know the hour of the Tribulation in Mark 13:31 and Matthew 24:36? Many have tried to answer this, but I feel the wrong approach has been taken up. Maybe Jesus was saying something completely different than what we expect.
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This explanation is in harmony with Jesus saying he is preparing place for us in Father's house (John 14)
antocjo Jewish wedding talk amen
false , because jesus was a prophet . there is only one God .
False because Jesus and his kingdom has not come Jesus was the first of over 250 claims that he was coming at a specified time, and none came true, it is a lie.
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Jesus as a Jewish Son was being obedient and showing respect to His Father. A Jewish man would pay a price for his Bride they were then in an engagement period during this time the Jewish groom would prepare for his marriage , a home etc He would wait for the Father to give the word for him to get his Bride with the sound of a ram's horn the wedding party and witnesses would get the bride The Father had to be satisfied that all was fulfilled . Jesus was showing love and respect for the Father
+Mike M So you are saying Jesus really did know when he himself said he did not know. Not to mention the Holy Spirit also knew when Jesus said "he" did not know. I fail to see how being deceptive is showing love and respect to the Father. This makes no sense.
TheCaledonianBoy Did you watch the video dude? This guy well explain it but you still do not get it. Watch it again and listen carefully. That's the reason you have an ear. Do You read your bible??? Do you know what is Context clues? I listen to this and read the chapter and it makes a lot of sense for a learner like me.
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If you are a Christian, you should listen carefully to what the video explains, and then pray about it. If you are not a Christian... what are you waiting for ?!
@@madilee2437 This dude said he was God... and then arrives on earth and now he doesn't know? No wonder jews think gentiles are missing a few marbles.
A Jewish son is not the same age as his father.
Listening 10 years later and this is perfect right now❤️
When Jesus did not state the hour, he stated something that is so "Godly". That God is merciful, abounding in love, slow to anger, quick to forgive.
Abraham interceded for Sodom that if there were ten righteous persons left, God promised to withhold judgement.
King Hezekiah was about to die by prophet Isaiah, but he prayed and negotiated with God and God added fifteen years to his life.
Nineveh was about to perish in forty days, but when they repented, God also relented on the judgement due to them.
If Jesus had stated the hour, and there will be no room for abounding grace, abounding mercy, nor abounding love. There will only be impending judgement for mankind.
All glory to our risen Lord!
Winston Loh You are confusing knowledge with mercy. God can be All-Merciful & All-Knowledgable at the same time. This is not a contradiction. Jesus only spoke about KNOWLEDGE in this passage and told us WHO knows the hour: no one, including himself, knows the hour EXCEPT the Father. This is crystal clear. Jesus was limited in knowledge and thus cannot be God. Also, are you then implying that Jesus was merciful and the Father (who knows the hour) is NOT merciful?
Abdul S.
Come on, Abdul
You just denied the deity of Jesus Christ, and that is wrong, very wrong !!
All of you folks that deny the deity of Christ, Jehovah's Witnesses, Arians, Muslims, Mormons, etc, keep missing a great big point.
Jesus does not leave any other alternative open to us other than that He is God the Son, God manifested on Earth in the flesh (John 1:1-3,14 & 18; 1Tim.3:16; Luke 1:68;& 7:16; Phil.2:5-8,etc,etc)..
Jesus is God visiting His people.
If Jesus is not who He said He is, and what the Bible claims He is, God, then you are all saying Jesus is a Liar and or a
Lunatic !!
There is no other alternative...Jesus is either God manifest in the flesh, visiting His creation as the old testament foretold, or a Liar/Lunatic.
He cannot be a good teacher, a great man of history, a sage, a blessed man, or even a prophet or Messiah.NO, He is God...or false !!
You choose, this day who you will serve, God, who spilled His very OWN BLOOD FOR YOU AND ME (Acts 20:28),or an idol, like Mohammed, or the Watchtower, or yourselves.
Stop claiming Jesus is not God, the Father wants us as well as all the angels to worship Him (Heb. 1:6)...
Now, why would God want that, unless Jesus is indeed God in the flesh.
Come on people, comprehend what you are reading, not argue with it !!
Winston Loh:. Very well answered.
Bron Jon
Where in the bible did Jesus say (I AM GOD)?
Yes Winston good answer
I love how you put things in a jewish context. This is almost essential for understanding the bible. I will watch your other videos, let's see if they are as good :)
Peace from a brother in Christ in Poland :)
A real Hebrew context would be saying Jesus isn't God he is just the Messiah Jesus was born a man died a man resurrected as a man, God is Spirit, the Holy Spirit,
READ YOUR TORAH TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE MESSIAH IS!
@@JJFrostMusic Read Romans to realize that at this point you are unable to understand the things of God: Rom11:25 "Lest you be wise in your own sight, I do not want you to be unaware of this mystery, brothers: a partial hardening has come upon Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in." My prayer is for you to one day have the veil removed so you can see the Glory that is Jesus Christ.
@@awalsh8011 i know the glory of Christ, it is given by the father, Jesus states the father is working in him, so did the disciples in Acts. Get that Catholic dogma out of your head
JJ Frost That’s a * Judaic context.
A hebrew/ Jewish context can complement Jesus being God as the 12 apostles and Paul are all Jews and recognized this...
Watch out, inspiring philosophy has some opinions which make the study bias and incorrect. Like one of his video it says that the tree of knowledge of good and evil isn’t necessarily bad to eat but it’s only bad that Adam and Eve ate of it without Gods permission and that God would have eventually revealed it to them.
The use of a Jewish wedding and subsequent preparation, is an absolutely excellent analogy to explain what Christ meant! This has also given me a further and deeper understanding of the sanctity of marriage. I am afraid, being a child of the 60’s and 70’s, I grew up in a generation of people who considered themselves the ‘enlightened ones’ who no longer needed to get married, and the advent of the contraception pill reinforced this viewpoint! But even though it is late in the day, I am deeply grateful to our Lord, for giving me this insight, I have made some mistakes though the last 59 years, but I have been forgiven. I know this because the Lord is Good and has promised to turn no one away when they have a broken and contrite heart. All praise and thanks to God!
Yes, I have heard this as well. I directly deal with this in "Refuting Objections to the Trinity (part 1)", the 6th link in the information section. The basic confusion is when skeptics say that Jesus was praying to Himself, as that is to confuse the Trinity Doctrine with Modalism. The Father is not Jesus, and Jesus is not the Father, as I point to in my video, "What is the Trinity".
You tell me if once they've always saved is true
I've seen the verses that prove this prove this thing so if Corinthians chapter 5 is not proof what about the one way it says that Jesus Will give rewards like gold for those who build on the foundation gold silver and precious stone and Woody and stubble and every man's work would be accounted for but the person who work does not withstand the fire will not be destroyed but he himself shall be safe even though by
fire
Can you recommend a book on the study of Hypostatic Union?
Thank you
What is the actual proof about the wedding ceremony is there like a source that you can cite from history that it functions this way
Please google what feast of the Lord that no man knows
Well put would like to add that the Greek word “Eido.” To know actually translates to reveal. So Jesus was saying only the father will reveal the last hour. God Bless
In Ancient Greek mean know. In the modern Greek means reveal.
According to both the Thayer and the Strongs concordances, the Greek word "Eido" means *TO SEE WITH THE EYE / PERCEIVE WITH THE SENSES*
www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G1492&t=KJV
Therefore the Angels and the Son (on Earth) do not see it because they are within TIME, whereas God is Eternal and OUTSIDE THE CONSTRAINTS OF TIME, meaning God in His Omnipotence and Omnipresence, experiences and perceives all things at once simultaneously. People have access to time only in part. We can only recall the past and experience the present. God is OUTSIDE TIME and has no such limitations.
Jesus Christ, whileon Earth bore the flesh of man and therefore in that state, though he is God, the Son, because He came to us in the flesh, would be perceiving as a man. And In that way be limited as we are limited.
@@MichaelSmith-ku7ki biblehub.com/greek/1492.htm at the very bottom.it says ,,tell ,, and synanimous to ,reveal... so yes eido is tell, reveal..and pls check Genesis 22:12 and read carefully when God said NOW I KNOW..does that mean God dont know if abraham fear Him? thats why he was testing abraham? no for God is all knowing ..that is why eido was used as well meaning now it has been revealed that you fear me
This question has been concerning me so far, and I am much sure at last it was solved! Yours is the most relevant answer, bros! Thank you all and God bless!
@@narminagasimova1952 Praise be to God ..sometimes im getting tired of defending the true gospel but God did not give up on me so i shouldnt..also pls when you have queations concerning God ,pray and ask Him to give you wisdom as i am amazed how God gives me an insight to about His nature..
2. Remember as well that the bible was witten ""for us"" BUT not "to us" meaning ,we have to include the cultural background of the bible when it was written as it was written to the jewish people so their culture is different for example is this very verse..to the jewish custom and culture it was a show of respect of the son ( groom) to the father to announce/reveal the date of his sons marriage but that doesnt mean the son himself does not know the date of his own wedding..see Genesis
22:12 And He said, “Do not lay your hand on the lad, or do anything to him; for NOW I KNOW that you fear God, since you have not withheld your son, your only son, from Me.”
if you take this literally that would mean God dont know if Abraham truly love God .
but we know that God is omniscient He knows everything...God bless
and one more use Hebrew translated bible than septuagint or koine greek as hebrew is more accurate
It is all throughout Revelations (Revelation 18:23; 19;7; 21:2; 22:17). I hope that helps.
This is harmonious with the notion that the younger Jesus grew in wisdom. Something to ponder. Thanks so much for sharing.
How could he grow into wisdom if he was already God... God knows the earth and he knows it well.
@@SeerSeekingTruth it was literally explained in this video that he let himself be limited as a human. Hence, he hungered, learnt, felt pain. Did you watch with your eyes closed?
@@SeerSeekingTruth He became a human, not only to die in our place at Calvary but to also "know" as we know and become our perfect Mediator. He was sinless and could only be that if He was God. No angel, no man, no imperfect being could pay our infinite debt.
Interesting video. I learned some things here. Thanks.
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This came at the PERFECT time for my life, thanks so much God bless !
Muslims and unitarians often cite mark 13:32 which reads:
But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.
They interpolate and butcher the verse by reading out of the intended context and conclude that Jesus does not know all things hence he is not omniscient, but the bible goes in stark contradiction to this statement ironically, for example lets read some verses
John 21:17
He said to him the third time, “Simon, son of John, do you love me?” Peter was grieved because he said to him the third time, “Do you love me?” and he said to him, “Lord, you know everything; you know that I love you.” Jesus said to him, “Feed my sheep.
Matthew 11:27
All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.
John 16:30-31
_*Now we know that you(Jesus Christ) know all things and do not need anyone to question you*_; this is why we believe that you came from God.” Jesus answered them, Do ye now believe?
Notice Jesus does not rebuke them for saying he knows all things instead affirms them meaning the muslim interpretation of the verse in mark 13:32 has already failed afterall how could Jesus Christ be the the exact representation of his(The father's) very being without knowing the last hour as said in hebrews 1:1-3
Hebrews 1:1-3
God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
He is the reflection of God’s glory and the exact representation of his very being,and he sustains all things by the word of his power. And after he had made a purification for our sins,he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high.
So no wonder he is said to have known all things about the father which nobody knows save him(Jesus Christ), but one might argue that its a contradiction for which we shall explain the words of Christ in the proper context
The word for "know" in mark 13:32 in greek is "eido" bearing this in mind lets read another passage
1corinthians 2:1-2
1)And I, brethren, when I came to you, came not with excellency of speech or of wisdom, declaring unto you the testimony of God.
2)For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified..
The same word "eido" is used for "know" in verse 2 same as in mark 13:32, but here the context of the verse does not mean Paul learned from the people about Jesus christ and his crucifixion but it means to make it known to the people about Jesus Christ and his crucifixion alone and refrain from speaking about other complex doctrines to avoid unnecessary debates.
Bearing this in mind and applying this new knowledge of the word "eido" as making things known or manifest or reveal we see that the context of mark 13:32 is not about Jesus knowing the hour or not knowing it but about revealing the hour as it says in
Acts 1:7
And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
The father is the one who announces the marriage not the son, As christians we know Jesus Christ is our bridegroom and we as humans are his brides and the father is the one who makes known this marriage time so the faithful bride will be ready all the time lest the father and the bridegroom suddenly come and catch them off guard. Jesus does not reveal the hour because its the fathers duty, The humans and angels do not reveal the last hour because they do not know when it is by nature of them not being Jehovah.
Just to further enforce my answer I will be quoting the church father Augustine who answers the same question in the way I answered so that people reading my answer may know that I am not creating my own answer using my 21st century apologetic mind or that its a heterodox view .
Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers, Series 1, Volume 3, pages 30-31,
Augustine: On the Holy Trinity, Doctrinal Treatises, Moral Treatises:
Chapter 12.-In What Manner the Son is Said Not to Know the Day and the Hour Which the Father Knows?
Answer:
Again, “Of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven; neither the Son, but the Father.”136 For He is ignorant of this, as making others ignorant; that is, in that He did not so know as at that time to show His disciples:137 as it was said to Abraham, “Now I know that thou fearest God,”138 that is, now I have caused thee to know it; because he himself, being tried in that temptation, became known to himself. For He was certainly going to tell this same thing to His disciples at the fitting time; speaking of which yet future as if past, He says, “Henceforth I call you not servants, but friends; for the servant knoweth not what his Lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you;”139 which He had not yet done, but spoke as though He had already done it, because He certainly would do it. For He says to the disciples themselves, “I have yet many things to say unto you; but ye cannot bear them now.”140 Among which is to be understood also, “Of the day and hour.” _*For the apostle also says, “I determined not to know anything among you, save Jesus Christ, and Him crucified*_;”141 because he was speaking to those who were not able to receive higher things concerning the Godhead of Christ. To whom also a little while after he says, “I could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal.”142 He was “ignorant,” therefore, among them of that which they were not able to know from him. And that only he said that he knew, which it was fitting that they should know from him. In short, he knew among the perfect what he knew not among babes; for he there says: “We speak wisdom among them that are perfect.”143 For a man is said not to know what he hides, after that kind of speech, after which a ditch is called blind which is hidden. For the Scriptures do not use any other kind of speech than may be found in use among men, because they speak to men.
Yes, now look at what Jesus says in the prior verse. "Therefore, stay awake, for you do not know on what day your Lord is coming." Sure, they did not know the exact day, but they were told in verses 32 through 39 of what to look for when the time as drawing near.
The times are under the control of the Father!
God's Son is not omniscient.
(Acts 1:7) The times and seasons are under the control of the Father GOD JEHOVAH.
Matthew 24:36 said “But of that day and hour knoweth no man…” Now, read the verse just prior which is verse 35. Many, many people ignore this verse. “Heaven and earth shall pass away…” THAT is the day that no man knows; the day that heaven and earth shall pass away. Continue reading the rest of the entire chapter and Jesus says that no man will know the hour that the Son of man comes. We are told to watch and if the goodman had watched, he would have known. So, we can know the day but not the hour that the Son of man comes because we are Watching. Verse 50 said that the lord of that servant shall come in a day when he (the servant) looketh not for him and in an Hour that he is not aware of. Children of God, we are to look for and be aware of the day.
Yes but what is Jesus returning for. A wedding and his bride correct? All are invited to the wedding correct?
@@KyrieEleisonMaranatha All are invited to be the bride but not all will be the bride. Remember the story of the ten virgins.
@@ArizonaSusan that's irrelevant the story the context of his wedding. Which would follow Jewish law as Jesus is a Jew.
@@KyrieEleisonMaranatha Well, all I’m going to say on your comments is, God’s will be done. No need to reply.
This explanation is flawed because jesus didn't know other things aswell
Mark 11 : The next day as they were leaving Bethany, Jesus was hungry. 13 Seeing in the distance a fig tree in leaf, he went to find out if it had any fruit. When he reached it, he found nothing but leaves, because it was not the season for figs.(M) 14 Then he said to the tree, “May no one ever eat fruit from you again.” And his disciples heard him say it.
This fig tree is a parable where Jesus preached the Good newd to the Jews for 3 years but was not received by them. Fig tree is the symbol for Israel and 3 years his ministry and no fruit means no repentance or no acceptance of what He said i.e the Good News.
Because you don't understand the nature of fig trees, before the actual season fug trees bear small fruits, if they don't produce small fruits before the actual season there won't be any fruits growing in the season. It's similar to cherry trees, not the same but if there are no flowers on cherry trees before the actual season where cherries are growing, there won't be any cherries growing in the season. It's a fruitless tree, often times dead that can't produce anything.
The Greek word in these passages refers to a knowledge which teaches others. All Christ was saying was that the Son does not know and teach others as the Father knows and teaches others about this. So essentially, Christ was saying that he would not teach them this information. Nonetheless, for the most part your explanation was pretty good. This little extra just helps explain why Christ said "neither the Son".
Interesting, I did not know that. Thanks for sharing :)
Spot on. You are correct my friend.
You're welcome :) and thank you too my friend.
thanks brother. But could you send us the greek word it self please.
Interesting definition for εἰδῶ...
@InspiringPhilosophy I just wanted to say God bless you for all the content you are creating. A lot of Christians have so many misunderstandings by not looking into the history of the ancient world, especially that of Israel and its culture. This creates so many misunderstandings, which will ultimately create confusion, not just for Christians, but for other people as well. I feel like that Christians need to study more on ancient history and ancient cultures to understand what they were about. I am glad that God uses somebody like you to put this kind of content on CZcams. God bless you, brother!!
Jesus didn't say "it is not for me to reveal, only the Father." If that's what he said, the analogy makes sense. But that's not what he said.
Acts 1:7 he says that verbatim
@@captainblocker4324 “It is not for you to know”
Read 1 Corinthians 2. Paul is talking and it gives a better understanding of what the word know is. Not that he didn't know more about Jesus but he didn't make it known
@@unshifted8949 Yes, that reference. It kind of seems like you’re trying to piece something together out of context.
@@gimel77 The word used is "Eido." It can refer to an action / make something happen. In Genesis 4:17, when it uses the word "to know" were they talking about intellect or something else?
None of this refutes what I just said. You are first, assuming John is writing in order, which we know John did not do. This is one reason why John's gospel is not a synoptic Gospel. From verse 21 to 31 is describing an event (as a preterist this happened in 70 AD), then goes on to say what to look for.
That’s great wisdom coming into this explanation!
God has revealing that to you and I and we very well pleased .
Thank you 🙏
God keep bless you
If i may remind everyone here, life and death are in the tongue! Pls be careful how you reply to each other. give in love. each will stay in a state of harshness towards one another and will only escalate from there, rather let's be in a loving state as our Lord expects from us, who claim to be a child of God that is. It's the spiritual gifts of God we seek on a daily basis, freely you have received, freely give my brethren.
(Matthew 24:36) "But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only."
(Mark 13:32) "But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the
Son, but the Father."
Do these verses contradict the Doctrine of the Trinity? YES! The Trinity Doctrine was invented by the Catholic Church! The Catholic church follows pagan rituals, such as praying to dead people, and baptizing people by SPRINKLING, instead of being submerged under water, as John did with Jesus!
Therefore, the Trinity Doctrine is Satanic Heresy!
Jesus was the only BEGOTTEN of the Father! Jesus was human and felt pain, hunger, sorrow, anger, etc., etc.!
God, who is a Spirit, lived within that body He formed inside the womb of Mary!
God did the work THROUGH that body! God spoke to people THROUGH Jesus Christ!
(Hebrews 2:9) "But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man."
(Philippians 2:6-7) "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: {7} But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:"
DO YOU SEE HOW THE ESV TWISTED THE WORDS AROUND TO FIT THE TRINTIY DOCTRINE? IT'S BLASPHEMY!
Why wouldn't say the Father and the Holy Spirit know the hour? Because the Holy Spirit and God are one and the same being! Simple! This again, disproves the Trinity Heresy!
What? verse 21 through 31 is describing the tribulation, But then in verse 32 Jesus starts explaining what it will be like leading up. Which is why he gives a lesson from the fig tree and says "So also, when you see all these things, you know that he is near". He is clearly referring when the time will be near because that is what He says.
Hello, that is understood by context. The context shows that Jesus was speaking about people (verses 25-26), that no human knows God, & thus, is in need of Christ to reveal him. Jesus refers to God hiding his wisdom from the intellectuals & revealing it to babes. This clearly refers to humans, that God has chosen to reveal Himself to people that the world considers as unwise (1 Cor. 1:18-29).
Umm, you realize there was a giant ark being built, and when it was finished the rains came. That is a pretty big sign.
could you cite your source which states it was Jewish culture for the father to have the final say in the finishing of the building?
@@everythingsgonnabealright7924 no need for source. It is true. Even in my country marriage is pre arranged. Parents of both groom and bride decides the wedding date.
right!
Amen bro this is what i was always saying to others, finally someone who laid it down nicely...Praise the Lord Jesus Christ..Amen
It doesn't lay anything out nicely, it is a false teaching. God is ONE not THREE
@@SeerSeekingTruthGod is indeed one and he is 3 persons
@@thesterrave 3 isn't 1. 1 is 1 and 3 is 3
@@SeerSeekingTruth what is 1x1x1?
@@SeerSeekingTruth1x1x1 is? And think of the UK its 4 countries in 1 or the body 1 skeleton, 1 fleshy bit under the skin (idk its name) and one flesh yet its 1 body.
A beautiful explanation, weldone. For the first time i now understand this verse. GOD BLESS you with WISDOM and INSIGHT sir.
Thank you Ip.I was about lose my faoth in christ when muslim asked this and i cant find the answer and i searched and this video thankfully exist by Gods grace.My faoth got even stronger than ever
Try also showing the Muslim.
Hi did you try to Actually search behind has sources? or you was looking for a ready to go answer? He made so many claims under many verses, it’s gonna be more truthful to look behind each verse he claimed and looking the full context. You will enjoy truthfully Journey.
There's a good chance the muslim had been given this answer at least once, but like with all their "arguments" they keep trying them in hopes they'll work.
common sense tells us God keeps the universe together...so if he came as a man and the universe stayed together,one might wonder,and realize he is capable of both,and be the holy spirit. Trinity does have some common sense.
you just said the same thing with different words ? The jews know what he meant. In english"only begotten son" means God came to us. eigo ami or I am means,I AM GOD to the jews....I just translated into english for you,your welcome.
Are you saying modalism? I'm confused. Modalism is that theres one God who changes from Father, Son, and Spirit. Amen and Shalom :)
Bigga No God is three, There are not 3 gods , just 3 divine spirits , each distinct but they are all one GOD.
Saying god is the the father. And holy spirit and Jesus as his creations is the best fit. You should give it a try.
@@MJ-qu9ls Jesus is not a created being. The Bible says all things whether in heaven or on earth were made by Him, so how did He make Himself?
By this explanation, may we comprehend that the members of the Trinity don't have the same level of authority?
May we assume that the Father has the highest level of authority?
Learned something new today! Also, this video does a great job reinforcing the importance of understanding the historical and cultural context of scriptural passages when interpreting them.
Yup, this video alone changed my mind on the importance of historical and cultural context when exegeting scripture.
Wow, its actually making senses, it was very hard to reconcile the trinity with such a text. Thank you very much, may God bless you!!!!
This line of apologetics it important for de jure objections. Regardless, arguing we have "burden of proof" is not an threatening argument, as theistic philosophers will never argue they can prove their beliefs. They argue they are the most rational to hold to. If you say "burden of proof" you have created a straw man, because that is not theistic goals.
It was an analogy, and analogies by definition are not perfect. Attacking the analogy is just a straw man, as it doesn't refute the point that is actually being made.
No, Philippians 2 says Jesus willing gave up being equal with God to be man for a time. Since God is 3 persons it is logically possible for one person to became man while the Father is still omnipotent and in heaven.
You're taking the hypostatic union out of context. Jesus has two full natures, not two natures mixed.
Jesus said, “Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the
Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my
Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’” John 20:17. I chose to worship his God and Father.
John 5:23 that all may honor the Son, just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent him.
1 John 5:12 Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life.
1John 2:23 Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either; he who acknowledges the Son has the Father also.
@@susanvarghese9916 None of the verse you quotes speak of worshiping Jesus. Only to believe in him and showing him the respect and sacred place he deserve
@@NoureddineAteur do you honor the Son just as you honor the Father?
@@susanvarghese9916 You dont understand i think. It does not mean to honor him at the same level. Bit that you should honor him also and not just the Father alone. We have the same in Islam we have to obey and love the messengers of God just like we habe to obey and love God, but of course not the same love as God is unique.
@@NoureddineAteur do you want me to show you versed where it says Jesus is God?
Your explanations are phenomenally outstanding. Praise God for the knowledge and wisdom He has blessed upon you.
If I may know, do you happen to be studying at a seminary? You're really good with all your research proofs.
Inspiring Philosophy considers going to seminary but he needs more funding to go full time
Jesus isn’t god he himself says pray to only the father , but he is are mediator so we go in his name you understand
Jimmy Rawlings blasphemous words you spew... In the beginning was the word the word was with God the word was God... Read before you speak
@@barberuvdayear what happened before God said the word?
@@barberuvdayear also this verse says he became God. Who was the God before the word became God.
@@barberuvdayearalso the greek scriptures of the word God in the scripts are different
Notice what i just said, I never said infinite. Second, infinite is only impossible in the finite world, which God is not bound by.
No, once again that is simply an assertion. Jesus had two natures, not a mixture.
sigh* and the Trinity doctrine agree there are two persons, but not two Gods.
No you are confusing the second coming with the tribulation. I am a preterist, so this distinction is noted for separating when the Bible says the sign will be building and it will come as thief in the night.
Would u be doing a series on preterism in the near future? Really aporeciate your work
So what you mean to say is that ONLY The Father has the authority to announce the final hour not Jesus not even the HOLY Spirit
So speaking of Trinity which says The Father’,JESUS and Holy Spirit are Gods and equal is a false claim
Because clearly Father has more authority over Jesus and Holy Spirit
The concept of Trinity tumbles here my friend😅😂
You know that’s what the Trinity is right? The father the son and the holy spirit you see how the father is first and the son is second
No it doesn’t disturb the trinity because it’s okay to one of them to have more authority but they share the same divine essence. Your boss has more authority than you but you are both the same essence you are humans
So different roles = trinity debunked? Muslim brain rot 101.
"Why Didn't Jesus & the Holy Spirit Know the Hour?"...because watch hasnt been invented yet.
+Rata Touille xDDD
Ba-Dum-Ts!
Sun Dial?
lol
That is a better explanation than what was provided
If Jesus was not Omniscient during his life on earth in human form, how did he know (for example) that Judas was about to betray him? There are other examples in Scripture, which show that Jesus exercised his knowledge (the woman at the well, for example, declaring to her that he knew of her other husbands, and her current condition of living in sin). So how does THAT knowledge fit, in light of His statement that the Father knew something that He did not? Selective knowledge?
+nutmegger1957 Omniscient means "knowing everything". When Jesus was in heaven, he was above time and space. He could see what was going on on earth. That is why prophecy can be so accurate. God knows the end from the beginning. Daniel 9:25 is a classic example. Check it out!
Well, the Holy spirit reveals things🤷
Jesus was the prophet of Deut. 18 , and the servant of YHWH. If he knew anything beyond human comprehension it was revealed to him by the Father.
He has now been exalted. He has been ordained and declared as more than a prophet, he is also High Priest and King.
It is written in the Psalms.
They are basically saying jesus said something but did not mean it. How do they know? It is clear as day they are saying he did not mean it because it does not fit their agenda.
Jesus often says things that aren’t meant to be taken as literal and even u can agree to that
the Father knows when to pull the trigger. Why are so many assuming the Father knowing the hour means He knows it already? Jesus submitted to the will of the Father to go to the cross. The Son submits to the Father. They are the same yet still different personalities. The Father will send His Son when He decides to pull the trigger, doesn't mean The Father knows already exactly when it is going to be.
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Peace be upon the prophets of God.
God is not bound by time, what we understand by past, present and future do not apply to God.
Humans are bound by time, you having to experience an event in the future is because you are subject to time. Hence you experience past, present and future.
Therefore when we refer to the knowledge that is with God its absolute, complete, not missing anything.
This what we understand when we say God is all knowing, since God is always present.
The past does not precede God, nor the future is ahead of God.
God has all knowledge, past, present and future.
The confusion non trinitarians get is when trinitarians say, The Father and Son are both God.
Jews and Muslims for example believe only The Father is God.
This is a point of discussion.
If both are God, and the basic understanding of God is that he is all knowledgeable.
The question raised to trinitarians is, if The Son and The Father are God, how come Jesus is saying he doesnt know the hour, only the Father does.
Being God, Jesus should know.
Matthew 24:36
"But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.
The bible verse is clear.. The Son is saying he doesnt know.
Only The Father knows.
Nicely explained. That's a whole different perspective on it. Thank you InspiringPhilosopy for a well made video.
… so god limited himself?? Doesn’t sound like a god to me. I’m sorry, I came here with honestly the biggest intention of hearing from a Christian themselves the explanation for this verse, but your answer is severely flawed. “Even though Jesus said he doesn’t know the hour, he actually does” even though he literally states in the verse “NOR THE SON” lol… common man…
No, Catholics say Jesus knew the hour because in Greek the verse is ambiguous and could mean “I know the hour but will not tell”
@@logicus.thomistica that’s a different story. Is there a Bible with that saying on it?
@@mranderson1635 yes, its in greek
JESUS IS GOD. I don’t care what Gold Diamond said or ISLAM SAID. Great video brother, HOLY TRINITY ROCK.
Yes, I agree with that. God is omnipotent, omniscient, and omnibenevolent. This is why you can't just say God is infinite, as it can mean God is infinite through out space or infinite it time, which are both incorrect.
Well..... completely different. I am actually a preterist and a postmillenialist. There won't be a rapture or a tribulation as most premillennialists think. Eschatology is much wider than just the popular futurist view:
forerunner . com/eschatology/X0003_3._Premil_Rebuttal . html
Yeah, because in Jewish customs the groom did know, but gives respect to Father to issue the word.
So Jesus was applying human customs on God
Was he also implying the same in john 17:3.... the holy spirit isn't mentioned too
@@patrickngunjiri5340 are you an atheist?
@@John-tb2ds nope
Jesus was fully human to redeem mankind.
He did not come as a God to save Gods, but people.
First Adam [human] sinful = The last sinless human son Jesus salvation people.
@InspringPhilosophy, then Jesus would have worded it different, like "it is not for me to say, only the Father," or "it is not for me to reveal, only the Father." But that's not the words he used. You have false doctrine.
This was incredibly well done
I like your handle. God bless you!
I cant thank you enough for this. I was literally slipping away from faith when I questioned this
He didn't even answer the problem. Lol
Does anyone actually think this is a good explanation?
That the verse means literally the opposite of what it says..
@@Gaga4Parma he did
@@Some_Ladno he didn’t. Read it again and next time pay attention instead of tuning him out because it wasn’t the answer you expected.
@@Some_LadNo, he did answer it.
The fact that Jesus said his Father knew something he didn’t does not call his divinity into question but rather tells us something about the Trinity. Not only is the Father not the Son and the Son not the Father, but they can have separate thoughts. Anyway, Jesus said he would tell the church everything the Father told him, and even Paul, to whom so many revelations were given that he was forbidden from telling them all, said we don’t know the time of the rapture and should all live accordingly.
The video is showing this doesn't negate Jesus's divinity or that He did not know. So in a sense, yes.
It is hardly an answer.
For Jesus, if he emptied himself from being God( regardless the self contradiction of this statement), then at the end of the day, he was not god in that period of time.
As for the Holy Spirit, there's no answer. It is an overstretched imagination projected to that verse while clearly that verse has nothing to do with it. Especially in the context in which Jesus was emphasizeing that no one knows! Even the Angels in heaven nor the Son. So to say he only said that in out of respect to the Father is obviously a desperate try to avoid the obvious.
Koran is false.. Why ?
1. No eyewitness or testimony on Jesus. Muhammad never met or talked to Jesus before ; how could he testified about Jesus 600 years later whom he never met before ? It is just like calling Obama a Japanese man by someone in year 2621.
2. If Allah in Quran cannot define Trinity correctly, how could it be divinely inspired? In the Quran , Trinity comprises Allah , Jesus and Mary which is wrong. Trinity in the Bible is : Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit.
Surah 5:116
"And as Allah said, "O Isa son of Maryam, (Jesus son of Mary) did you say to mankind, "Take me and my mother to your selves as two gods, apart from Allah '?" He said, All Extolment be to You! In no way is it for me to say what I have no right to. In case I ever said it. then You already know it. You know whatever is within my self, and I do not know what is within Your Self; surely You, Ever You, are The Superb Knower of the Things Unseen."
3. Quran and hadith are full of foolish delusions.
e.g. 1
(Al- Bukhari Volume 4, Book 54, Number 537)
If a fly drop into your drinks , one of the wings is poisonous, the other wing is the cure said Quran .So Quran advice dipping the whole fly . Wow..to get maximum germs😆😆? ....Tell the scientist all over the world that flies are good for your health.
e.g.2
Have you ever seeing monkeys acting this way?
(Sahih Al- Bukhari , Book 58, Hadith 188)
Narrated 'Amr bin Maimun: During the pre-lslamic period of ignorance I saw a she-monkey surrounded by a number of monkeys. They were all stoning it, because it had committed illegal sexual intercourse. I too, stoned it along with them.
4. Scientific errors in the Quran.
a. Sun sets in a murky water
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Sura 18: 85-86
"He [i.e. Zul-qarnain] followed, until he reached the setting of the sun. He found it set in a spring of murky water."
Sunan Abu Daud No : 4002
Narrated Abu Dharr: I was sitting behind the Messenger of Allah صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم who was riding a donkey while the sun was setting. He asked: Do you know where this sets ? I replied: Allah and his Messenger know best. He said: It sets in a spring of warm water (Hamiyah).
Explanation:
According to this surah, Alexander the Great traveled west until he found out what happened to the sun. It went down into and under the murky waters of a pond. When it was completely covered by the water, darkness fell upon the earth.Darkness came when the sun went down under the dark waters of a pond.
The mistake was based on the erroneous assumption that the earth was flat.
b. Mule is not created.
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Sura 16:8
"He also created˺ horses, mules, and donkeys for your transportation and adornment. And He creates what you do not know."
Explanation:
Mules are the offspring of a female horse and a male donkey. But mules generally can’t reproduce on their own. There are mismatches in horse and donkey DNA. Humans have bred mules for thousands of years and they are not created like the horse and donkeys.
c.Allah created all things in pairs.
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Sura 36:36
"Glory to Allah, Who created in pairs all things that the earth produces, as well as their own (human) kind and (other) things of which they have no knowledge."
Explanation:
Some snails are considered hermaphrodites, which means they have both male and female reproductive organs .Also, many bacteria, protists, fungi, and plants reproduce asexually ( without sex organs).
5. Muhammad's character a big question, not befitting a prophet.
Sunan Abu Dawud, Number 2116
"Aisha said: The Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) married me when I was seven years old. The narrator Sulaiman said: Or six years. He had intercourse with me when I was nine years old. "
Surah 23:6
"And they who guard their private parts except from their wives or those their right hands possess, for indeed, they will not be blamed "
Sex for Dihya then pass it to Muhammad ( who condoned rape)
Bukhari Volume 3, Book 34, Number 431:
"Narrated Anas:
Amongst the captives was Safiya. First she was given to Dihya Al-Kalbi and then to the Prophet."
Jesus is the Way, the Truth and the Life. Accept Him as your Savior and Lord.
John 14:6
“I am the way and the TRUTH and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me”
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I was given authority Jesus said. Clearly some one ABOVE Him gave it to him. It wasn't His. Yet Christian keep insisting that the Father, The Son and Holy spirit are Equal ? Pffff.
@@yestofuture.byethost5._om 1 Thing I could say. Author of Your Holy Books is Anynomous. We don't know who wrote them. The reliability and validity are unable to stand against even the fakest hadith. Why should we fully trust it when no reference about the source 😅
Well last time I visit chruch it full of Mother Mary statue and people actually worship her. Pray to her ask from her. And define your trinity. Bcz there is no verse said that trinity Consisted those 3. The Only verse supports trinity was found to be Fabrication/forgery.
Edit : Don't forget those Unitarian, Trinitarian, Oneness and JW. You all guided by the same holy Spirit aren't you. Euuw seems holy spirit differ from one group to another. That mean Holy spirit more than one thus trinity is invalid. 🐒
[El Elyon YEHOVAH PSALM 83:18] did not send a god [YESHUA], but a human!
Yeshua said no one knew the hour of His second coming, not when the tribulation would be.
Gospel Jesus said he knew......
Mark 9,1 And he said to them, "Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see that the Kingdom of God has come with power."
Mark 13,30-31 So also, when you see all these things, you know that He is near, right at the door.
30 Truly I tell you, (THIS GENERATION) will not pass away until all these things have happened.
Fake News
@@lutkedog1
Maybe stop taking out of context
Jesus was referring to his transfiguration on the mountain when he said some of you will not die before seeing the heaven
@@davidstrelec610
Here's context for you ....
Jesus says he will return with all of
the Angels, the Transfiguration story
Don't work ...Jesus also says that at this time every man will be judged and rewarded or punished the Transfiguration story fails here, also take notice that the next chapter Matthew 17:1 is moving forward in time 6 days after he gave this timely returning Kingdom speech, why would Jesus say some here will not taste of death until this happens if he is talking about 6 days later.
The bible story don't hold water just like Noah's Ark.
in Genesis 3:9 God did not know where Adam was and I quote " but the LORD called to the man , "where are you?" so does this mean that God is not all knowing either? then God would not be God! I think is fair to say, Jesus not knowing something does not disqualify him from being God. John 1:1, or from being all knowing. John 2:25 -revelation 2:23 or else God would not be God if this was so!
Bernardo Flores I'm pretty sure the question that God asks Adam is rhetorical.
accounts like this makes me realize god being all knowing really means he has perfect use of his knowledge and can choose to know or not know something at any time. Just like his omnipotence doesn't mean he is always using his full power but has full control over his power. That being said I still think Jesus is not all knowing xd.
@@blaisewebster6711 I agree because he also asks why they ate of the tree, not that he didn't know but that he wanted them to confuse they had disobeyed God's command, this is also true when Jesus is walking in the crowd and the lady who's sick touches him and he stops everyone but the disciples are confused because there in a crowd bumping into people and Jesus wants the lady to confess, it's of humility from Adam and eve and the lady to confess these things to God
Bernardo Flores if god says he is all knowing then he is all knowing. You Christians are delusional and hate to accept the truth. Jesus is not god.. he is a prophet and messenger of god. Get it right. Matthew 24:36
“No one knows about the day or hour, not even the son, but the father only” if Jesus was god, how can he be limited in his knowledge??
John 5:30
“By myself, I can do nothing: I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not please myself but him who has sent me” Jesus admits that he can do nothing by himself! So he cannot be god as god has no restrictions or limitations and he does what he wants when he wants. So somebody tell me Jesus is god again..
@@kingzoor2279 couple of issues with your claim, first is the knowing part. The greek word used to know also means to reveal which applies elsewhere in the old testament where there interchangeable on top of it being a parable which he was famous for, it was Jewish tradition for the father to reveal the wedding of his daughter to her husband even if they already knew the day. The wedding is Jesus coming back for the church, his bride in revelation. On top of the fact that you quote from John where it clearly states in the first couple chapters about that the word was with god and was god and became flesh, and as for the passage you quoted from in John he says that because he only came to do the father's will the first time which includes dying for the sins of everyone who would believe on him and voluntarily humbling himself to human form and doing only as the father commanded. God bless.
I don't see in the immediate context where this event is likened to a wedding. Altough in Matthew 22 He speaks of it.
That is incorrect. The analogy of the thief in the night comes from Paul in 1 Thessalonians 5:2 and Peter in 2 Peter 3:10, not Jesus. Try reading Matthew 24 or Mark 13 before you try to critique it.
what the person in this video does not realize is that Jesus was talking about this when he is in heaven because, the key sentence here is as to "that day and hour only the father knows" well what time and how is he talking about?
that then when he was a man on Earth or in heaven because he said "as to that day and hour" which is talking when he is in heaven.
So your entire video does not give the full answer my friend. So explain this , now that he is in heaven does he know that day and hour ? Also look at Acts 1:7 when the apostles asked him the same question he said it only belongs to the father and he was already Resurrected so your points does not cover the true meaning of what the bible really teaches. Only the father is truly God.
One translation has said " no man make known the hour" and He was truly MAN. SOHe could not make known.
Derek Hanna That's true. Jesus basically told them it was none of their business even if he knew it wasn't his authority as a man but fully divine to reveal the knowledge. He probably knew the hour, but the Father didn't want it to be known so the Son didn't reveal.
@@maryah8642 If he knew the hour, then it means god lied = bible is a lie.
Follow your assumption moment
Very creative explanation.
Good point! Two ways to respond, He was omniscient and Mark 13:31 just shows Jesus was borrowing language from Jewish wedding customs not that He truly did not know. Or The Holy Spirit gave Jesus their thoughts. Either way it doesn't affect the Trinity. I hope that helps.
And that doesn't contradict what I said, there were signs building up to it. How does your comment change the cultural context that this video points out?
Your video does nothing to establish the Trinity doctrine and you actually contradicted what Jesus said at the 3:48 marker. You have false doctrine. Not one single verse in the Bible supports your doctrine. NOT ONE.
Fantastic answer. Very, very helpful, thank you 🙏🏼
I've heard this before, but I have never seen any sources that this is how a Jewish wedding worked, or what this was an actual expression.
The Kenotic view IS NOT POSSIBLE at all, since it denies God is immutable and is temporary Arian and confuses the natures of Christ. You cannot have an ignorant God as St Augustine said.
OrthodoxCatholic1 I have sources in the info section.
***** I didn't see a discussion about the father of the groom in Mielziner or Epstein, Carm--as usual has no references. However, I cannot get a hold of the Levitt book
The passage does not suggest the holy spirit does not know the day of Jesus' return.
matt 24: 36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels..
two categories of beings did not know the day. Human beings and Angels. since the holy spirit is neither man nor Angel, the verse doesn't Apply to him.. So the question why the holy spirit did not know becomes baseless...
Ashwin s half true. you left off the last of the verse. from kjv...
Matthew: 24. 36. But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
(but my father only)
Mark: 13. 32. But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.
(but the Father)
John: 4. 24. God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
Genesis: 1. 2. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
God the father is spirit and truth. No one knows but the father who is spirit and truth.
yet there are many spirits we know not where they come so....caution.
This TRINITY believers are DELUSIONAL..
I agree....and scripture confirms the Spirit as always "knowing the deep thing of God".
Jesus is one with the Holy Spirit, which is what Messiah means- Anointed ( with the Holy Spirit). And Jesus is one with the Father. So if Jesus does not have knowledge ( which is impossible because he is GOD, then the Holy Spirit also would not, but that is what he is refuting! And the point of why he brings the Holy Spirit into this discussion.
Jesus is not merely man, but is GOD become man ( Last Adam) 1 cor 15: 45.
Point is, it is not that he does not possess the knowledge but it is a Hebrew Wedding custom to give the honor to the Father to say "now". That is the point.
Since the fish and dogs were not mentioned yet we know they're not angels or human beings, can we also assume they knew the hour and the verse doesn't apply to them??
This is what happens when you split God up. It's nonsense. The Trinity doctrine is false. Not a single Scripture used in this video, or this guy's explanation, supports the doctrine.
The statement made at 3:48 is literally a contradiction of what Jesus himself said.
Jesus didn't say "it is not for me to reveal, only the Father." If that's what he said, the analogy makes sense. But that's not what he said.
The Holy Spirit is not mentioned as a distinct person because the Holy Spirit belongs to God, it's his Spirit, and the fact that there is only one eternal Spirit means there is only one divine "person," which is God. God is not one "what" with three "who's." God is a "who," and there is only one "who."
When people say God is infinite they mean different things. I don't say God is infinite because it is very vague, and we are not sure what infinite means. So I wouldn't even use that adjective. So I will disagree and I fail to see a contradiction. Have a nice day.
Hey IP, love the video, I'm so intrigued by Jewish customs especially those around marriage as they reflect (in a manner we can identify with) the relationship between Christ and His Bride.
#oneQuestion where can a dude (me) who doesn't go to seminary (assuming that you do) learn more about Jewish culture and customs so I can study them for myself and not have to wait to stumble on a video like this to understand the context of the New Testament better (thus interpret scripture better)..?
Thanks :)
Check out these books to start:
Misreading Scripture with Western Eyes
Jesus through Middle Eastern Eyes
Is God a Moral Monster
I hope that helps.
WHAT A MAN!!! Thank you!
Sweet manna Jewish WEdding stuff
The answer is that Jesus was a prophet of God not man God
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What will happen if Jesus says the hour
@@mibraddamibradda9474 simple. It's that God relayed that secret to his messenger/prophet. Nothing Godly here. If Jesus does things under the authority of the father or because the father allows him. Then by default, Jesus is not the source of the power hence he is not God.
thank you for explaining. pls make more videos. God Bless.
You are just being ad hoc, and addressing any argument I gave.
I was always under the belief that the reason why was because He would have told us. That’s how much he loves us. So The Most High had to leave that tidbit of info out of His programming.
Man it’s amazing how u force it to be untrue even though he said that clearly “he doesnt know” . he will be on the other side of u on the judgment day for u have been laying on his behalf.
Peace be upon him,,, he was the messiah and a true servant and prophet of god as all the other prophets which is clear in the bible,,, but u keep forcing the trinity doctrine upon ur minds by giving all after fact explanations assuming the trinity is true while it makes no sense at all.
By the end of the day I believe that we have to look for the truth and not take our born with religions a granted truth, if u do so then u’ll find it if u seek it with an open honest heart ,,, i mean consider all religions and make up ur mind to what makes sense ,,,
its clear also in the bible that "He lower himself, lower than angels" its not reasoning or forcing, its the truth.
@@chsrogiematthewpanares1551
Can God be anything he isn't? If God is immortal can he stop being immortal? Jesus died, it doesn't matter if he rose again, he died once, that's one times too many for an immortal God.How about never growing tired? Jesus got tired. The thing is God's qualities are ETERNAL meaning UNENDING. I'm sorry but if you think Jesus and God are co equal, you are an idol worshiper and have no place in the kingdom to come, repent.
@@hitoshura2800 you're questiong God, you're just like trying to measure an infinite thing, but logically yes, he can stop being immortal but, he can resume it.
@@chsrogiematthewpanares1551
Hahah I'm questioning God? You are limiting God! You are saying God can die? That's insane, GOD CANNOT BE ANYTHING EXCEPT WHAT HE IS, if the bible says God CANNOT die and then we have a human named Jesus DIE, then guess what? JESUS CANNOT BE GOD. God CANNOT stop being God, you are worshiping God in lies. Repent
@@hitoshura2800 no, you the one who limiting God, you demote him his ability being multi personal, you demote him that can't form himself to be a man like us, you question him why Jesus sacrifice himself just to save us from our sin, you question the divinity of Christ.
Real simple...
1 Timothy 2:5 KJV
[5] For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
There's ONLY 1God; & that 1God became a man, as scripture says!
1 Timothy 3:16 KJV
[16] And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
There is no such thing as a trinity. When the 1God became a man, he then became the son. 1God with 2 natures. As God he is Devine as man he is the son. Which is why the son (man) did not know. As far as the Holy-Spirit; it is what God is. We can not separate God from what his nature is. That would be like saying human being is a separate person from myself.
+Truthseeker424 I refuted this: czcams.com/video/xrmTjifCmw8/video.html
1 Samuel 15:23-26 KJV
[23] For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the Lord , he hath also rejected thee from being king. [24] And Saul said unto Samuel, I have sinned: for I have transgressed the commandment of the Lord , and thy words: because I feared the people, and obeyed their voice. [25] Now therefore, I pray thee, pardon my sin, and turn again with me, that I may worship the Lord . [26] And Samuel said unto Saul, I will not return with thee: for thou hast rejected the word of the Lord , and the Lord hath rejected thee from being king over Israel.
InspiringPhilosophy agree that Jesus is God! amen
Truthseeker424
I’m afraid you will run into the same heresy that Islam has with Jesus being God. If you believe Jesus was God, you’ll have to believe that God died for 3 days. If there isn’t the trinity the crucifixion doesn’t make sense. And you’re forced to admit 1 of 2 things. Jesus isn’t God, or Jesus wasn’t crucified.
Very interesting presentation.
If you accept Jesus in to your heart, you don't need to know or worry about when the hour,day,year of his coming.
Bcz the Father is the real big boss here. Jesus said I was given Authority (Some one AUTHORIZED above him gave him permission. It wasn't His authority from begining. unless you guys have different interpretation). The big boss with FULL AUTHORITY didn't share them information about the hour.
pure brilliance just incredibly amazing god bless and keep up the good work.
So, according to the bible Jesus lied to the people. Never expected Christians to get so low to try and justify a clear verse with a false analogy.
So, according to your comment, you seem very concerned with lying. Never expected someone would get so low to try to put shame on Christianity.
I like it. Praise the Lord!! :)
IP...bringing it yet again! So proud to call you a friend!
I couldn’t figure out how God has predestined us but we still have choices to make, then I came upon this verse: _“A person’s heart plans his way, but the Lord determines his steps.”_ Proverbs 16:9
Wow, anymore gymnastics you'd be ready for the Olympics
So God submits to God? 🤯🤭
Imagine it like this
Your Brain tells your Arm on what to do and how to move.Both your arm and your brain are still part of your body, so your body just obeys to himself then
(keep in mind that this explanation is not for the trinity but on how the son obeys the father)
Correct, but when u look at Islam, Muhammad submitted to who? Looks like no one
It’s hilarious how Christians put spin on the bible 😂
The first explanation is good enough, the Greek Bible does not have the word "only".
Check the KJV translation which is the word to word translation of the greek.
"But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.
Prove is a strong word. I am showing this verse doesn't show Jesus isn't God and refuting it as a supposed unitarian objection. Again, Jesus didn't cease to be God, He took on two natures and willingly cooperated with the one for a time. Read Philippians 2. he took on a 2nd nature and cooperated with that.
IF you want to rebuttal my argument, address the issue of historical context. This video is answering a de jure objection to Christianity, so I just need to show consistency.
I didn't make Jesus say anything, I took His words in context of the culture He was speaking to. I did not imply He lied or s schizophrenic, that would be modalism. Stop straw manning trinitarianism by confusing it with modalism.
Confusing really ,every things in Christianity not make any sense
Explain, what did you find confusing?
Ngl what ever came out of the mouth of an illiterate man is more confusing
@@MovieRiotHDthe fact that he didn't explain why the Holy Spirit wouldn't know? He just said that the Holy Spirit would let the father reveal it
That was good
Jesus and holy spirit do not know the hour is bcoz simply their not God..period.
true
U doesnt care what the video says and made up ur own conclusion cos ur muslim
See the rest of my channel. I have presented the Teleological Argument and the Ontological Argument on my channel. I am getting ready to do the Contingency argument and the Simulation Argument for God's existence.
Well, the Holy Spirit didn’t know the hour because the Holy Spirit isn’t a person. It is just Gods directed force. Created every time Jehovah acts.
Jesus and really literally everyone other than God doesn’t know because that is Gods will.
Because Jesus is not God , simple as that 🤷
He is, lmao. Jesus always uses ancient traditions to explain his teachings to his disciples.
@@chessresourcesphthis doesn't mean he's God tho. He can have divinely inspired knowledge and be a prophet of God and this still explains his knowledge as God gave him the knowledge to know these things. Jesus being a prophet also explains this verse and explains why he prayed to the father as well.
If you seen me you have seen the father @@wavez4224
@@wavez4224 No, Jesus prayed to God not because He's a human, but to show us what should be done to please God. In fact, that's even more logical that Islam. Since if Jesus was God, then God can manifest himself in such a way that He became tangible to His creations. In Islam, Allah cannot do that.
Yet God says in Isaiah that he does not share his glory..................and we see Jesus speaking of sharing Glory with the Father in one of his prayers. So he is God.
You realize that didnt answer anything right?
you explained why the son and the holy spirit didnt know .. but you didnt explain how this doesnt make them (not) god!
To explain:
You said the son is both fully god and fully man... so if the father and the son is one .. does that mean the father is fully man also?
if not, why? it doesnt make much sense ....
God is tripersonal, thus Son can manifest in flesh, and the Father does not have to. All three persons are one in essence, not in person.
@@davidgeorge6410 but that means theyre different then?
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Distinct in person (hypostasis), One in essence, substance, being, will, and thought.
@@davidgeorge6410 so like a hive mind?
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Not really.
The people who are part of collective consciousness were not always so. But all the three persons, as being eternal, are one in essence, substance, and will.
Moreover, the only 'oneness' of those who are part of hive mind is that they share the same mind or consciousness. But it is much more with God, like I said earlier, essence and being.
Muslims are right. Jesus is just a prophet and Messiah, not God.
Jesus made it clear that he was God incarnate. Why should I believe the Quran written 600 years after Jesus over the Gospels.
@@HodgePodgeVids1 If you really cared or periods of when scripture existed mattered you wouldn't be Christian, you would be a Jew as their texts are hundreds of thousands of years older than the NT.
Let's not pretend like this is a good argument.
@@Gaga4Parma It is, in the fact that the NT is very coherent with the AT. Unlike the Quran, written long after Muhammad's death, that has very little to do with the revelations it says it completes, but that it contradicts so many times. Well, as it contradicts itself often too, this is no surprise.
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nah the quran written when Muhammad “peace be upon him “ was alive
but the first bible was written between 90-110 years after jesus “peace be upon him” died even the writer in unknown
@@usamatii Of course the Bible was written after Jesus left earth (first passages about 10 years, the latest about 40 years) about , but not after He died because as you know, the Qur'an says Jesus is still alive in the presence of God... until He returns as King and judge of mankind ; but the authors of the gospel are very well known.
Even better than the authors of the Qur'an, in fact, as scientific research have shown in many ways the texte was rewritten several times, notably to fit the Omeyaddes power.
Please check by yourself, you'll learn a lot.
He didnt know the date and time because he's not God. He only confessed to being the promised Messiah.
God is unlimited.... What does this mean? In power? Wisdom? You are not being clear.