M&P 2.0 Compact vs. CZ P-10 C
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I wouldn’t call a Glock a porsche 911. I would say it’s more like the Honda Civic or Toyota Camry of the gun world
Agreed
You what's going to be the Glock killer is Glock it's self. Still the same plastic sights, poor trigger, and overpriced for what you get. Both these guns are what a Glock should be. Instead everyone I know with a Glock has changed the trigger and sights . So pay $600 for a gun then put a couple hundred more in to it?🤔
I'd say f150
The M&P 2.0 Compact is a "Toss it in my coffin" gun. I've never heard of anyone not liking the CZ though. I jus don't run a ton of different guns. Maybe back at the beginning of carrying a gun I went through a number of guns. I carried a Glock 19/23 for well over a decade (closer to 2). So changing to anything else is hard to do. The 2.0C is the first gun I've been excited about since buying my first (G33) Glock 18yrs ago. I see all these guys making comparison videos with all the new pistols and changing what they carry every couple months from a Sig to Glock to CZ to Smith to HK to Walther to whatever... I did some of the same when it was new to me. If you're rolling in money then great but most folks have to save up to buy a $500 gun. People are definitely more well informed now on guns. The internet has helped that a ton. Thanks for the video brother.
Sonny Gunz lots of wisdom
As always- excellent comparison video!
My heart is still set on the CZ P-10C, but this S&W M&P 2.0 is worth looking into.
Thanks for sharing.
Great review...I saw the nod to the M&P at the end! Keep up the great work!!!
As usual, great stuff. I just picked up a used M&P, fantastic shooter.
This may be the best pistol comparison Ive ever seen. Extremely close. Great video! You make shooting small groups look easy.
Aw, thanks. Some days I do okay. I give the credit to the gun for being easy to shoot well.
Another Excellent head2head JO!
Variety is the spice of life...while I prefer the P10C, the M&P has a lot of love out there.
My condolences on the loss of your best buddy, it is always hard to lose a dear companion.
Another great job ..........you have nailed it on reviews. A ton of great info on both pistols. My wife just picked up a PPQ so I was re-watching your video on it. You have some talent my friend
While I think I shoot the M&P better (note the one-handed shooting in the video, particularly), I don't want to part with either of these guns. They are very comparable! What are your thoughts?
Justin Opinion would you like to review a holster for the 2.0 compact?
Joe Schmoe, All of my M2.0 holsters (4.25") holsters fit my compact since it is only 1/4 inch shorter.... That said, in response to the question, I like CZ products but shoot the M&P's really well so I have several now.....
Keep them both
Justin Opinion M&P 2.0 Compact all the way. I am a 10 mm man myself, but that gun just flips all the right switches in my eyes. I never cared for 9 mm until I saw this gun. It also seems to be objectively one hell of a little rock chucker!
Now if only S&W would make a legitimate competitor to the G40MOS. Drool...
Justin Opinion do you have a Patreon account?
Fantastic overview of these fine handguns. I'd imagine both are great. I own a 2.0 9mm Compact and absolutely love it. I'm going to be picking up a 2.0 with the 3.6 barrel soon. The M&P 2.0 is the perfect handgun for my personal preferences.
Great comparison, if I had to choose one, it would be the M&P 2.0 Compact...tough choice though!
I concur!
It's been said before, but I appreciate the class and decency of your vids. I'm appreciative of all the 'Pew-Tubers', but your channel is especially great because of the 'caliber' of your character. Keep up the great work. #GodBlessAmerica
I have both the full-size and compact versions of the 1st-gen M&P9. The compact's trigger is far better, so to hear that the 2.0 improves the trigger further is very encouraging.... I'm really looking forward to trading in my full-size for the new M&P9c 2.0!
...Great video again, just enough info with plenty of shooting action, keep up the great work!
Justin, this IMO is your best comparison video yet. We are truly fortunate to have so many good pistols to choose from these days. As for triggers the best one for me in the last years selection of new striker fired pistols has been Berettas' APX, so I'm looking forward to their upcoming Compact version. Again a truly enjoyable video, keep them coming.
Thanks much. I also like the APX a lot - it was maybe the biggest surprise of the year for me. You'll see more of it here, too!
the APX is my favorite also.
Good review Justin..... I like how you put the specs on paper 📝 so we can see it ... thanks
Justin, I liked the target in the right hand side of the screen. I've only seen two other gunners use that format. I wish they all did and tell us the distance shot from. Really enjoy your "head2head" videos.
The M&P seems to be heading for my short list! Thanks!
Great video, thanks. Still can't find a CZ P-10C locally to try one out. Other CZcams reviewers got significantly lighter trigger pull weights on their CZ (4.5 lbs). I tried the M&P 2.0 C and just don't like that curved trigger. I'll hold out until I can handle the CZ before I will decide.
I test fired an M&P 9 compact, and intend to buy one very soon. The ambi slide stop worked very easily on both sides.
You didn't pick a winner, but sure kept looking at the M&P when talking about them being equal....the eyes never lie:) I think your in love with that fine American Made Piece of Art!!:) Smiths are awesome guns, great video!!! The comparison I was waiting for
Glock 19 by far!!!!! PERFECTION!!!
@@OmarGonzalez-gx1ks why because you have one and nothing else could be as good cuz it was hurt your ego
Nobody Just the facts!!!
Andrew Schwab To each his own my friend. BTW there is no opposition . Both parties are a joke. This coming from a former Republican . A NWO Agenda is coming.
@@OmarGonzalez-gx1ks no junior. MP2.0 is the glock killer "by far" .. go cry to mommy
Great gun camera angles at the end! I especially liked the angle from underneath, facing the muzzle.
Thanks. I try to keep it interesting and not just do the same old thing in every video.
Wow. This was a great comparison video. Your videos are comprehensive and to the point. This was the video I was looking for. The CZ P10C has a cold hammer forged barrel plus a more tactile trigger but I still love the m&p 2.0 with its great ergonomics and grip texture. Both are great choices.
Thanks for the kind words. I try to provide good info that's easy to watch.
A great review on both gun that I liked, I love watching your channel.
Awesome video. Never have watched one with shooters point of view regarding sights. Know which one i am going with now!!
We enjoy & appreciate your videos. I always gain from your insight & info. I would be courious if you had the PPQ in this mix, if you would lean more toward the PPQ over either of these. I have the M&P 40 in Mod2.0 & original. Though I am very pleased with both, I definitely prefer the Mod2.0. Thanks again.
Excellent review JO. I have two of each of these guns, though one P10C is back at CZ for the slide release/spring issue in which it pops out. Anyway, so much good in both guns, some quirks but both are great IMO. I would probably pick the P10C due to the trigger, if I had to choose. Luckily I can keep them all, along with my new Gen 5 G19. Anyway, well done video. BTW, still jealous and hate your car ;)
Great review Justin , Thanks your a real pro.
Aw! Thanks!
Another great video, thank you.
I scored big time a couple months back, and picked up the S&W M&P 2.0 on sale for $319.00. Wasn’t looking for another 9mm but couldn’t pass it up at that price.. Love my M&Ps..
You hit a home run.
Will be picking up a new M&P. My duty firearm is a 19 but maybe I can convince them to change over. Great video but there's just one thing that always gets me, the magazine thing lol. Seems like a bad habit to have in the event of a defensive situation.
I couldn’t find a review on the Steyr M9, C9, or S9. You talk about great triggers, and I agree Walter PPQ is great but you need to shoot the amazing Steyr. I look forward to a review on the Steyr. I own 3 and many other makes but it’s hard to beat the other Austrian gun- Steyr Arms.
I love my m&p m2.0c and find it to be an extremely good shooter. I was on a p320 kick for awhile but the m2.0c does everything better, which pains me because I'm heavily invested in the 320.
I currently have a 320 as my goto and thinking to go with the 2.0. So overall your glad for the switch? how reliable is it? how many malfunctions through round count have you had? Last question, If you have a high palm grip, do you hit the slide realease?
I sold my p320c for a P07. No regrets.
I have both also, I prefer the trigger on the 320. But my M&P 2.0 has proven to be more reliable.
Good comparison video.
I would try the CZ because of cost and I have nex=ver tried one yet.
Both are great firearms, I would go with m&p more comfortable, I would just change the trigger not the springs so you can leave the trigger pull to manufacture spec for carry , great job would also put a fiber optic front sight on and a black rear
S&W has an m&p performance center version with fiber sights, tweaked trigger (though still the split trigger type) and ported barrel which retails for less than $200 more than the standard one.
Run a few rounds through the M&p trigger is great on the 2.0 or at least mine is every bit as good as my high end 1911s I can’t see changing triggers if you do t like the split trigger design. But they definitely are an improvement over first model
I want to thank you for all the reviews of 9mm striker fired guns including the M&P and P10c. Went to a range near me yesterday and rented 6 9mm guns and the P10c came out on top with the M&P and PPQ in a close race for second, followed by the VP9, FNS, and in dead last the Glock 17. For me the trigger, amiability, and the grip comfort are perfect. My only concern is living in communist NJ is the availability of 10 round mags, which are available, unlike the FNS. Going to pick up the P10 next week. Thank you.
Honestly lovem both and don’t own either. But I give the m&p the very slight edge. Two of my favs right here for sure and you really can’t go wrong with either it seems.👍🏾
Great video as usual Justin...always like to see your dog
What brand of ear protection are you using in this video? Thanks!
Great comparison!
I own both firearms and I like the M&P M2.0 compact better. The grip on the 2.0 really locks in my hand. The CZ P10c is a great firearm but it gives me a nasty blister on my trigger finger.
its that dang "dingus" on the trigger shoe that does that. I get a blister as well on the p10c with many rounds....
That's what I love about the Canik tp9sf and SF elite. The dingus doesn't stick out far and it's flat with rounded edges and the entire face of the trigger is extremely comfortable.
Great video as always. Is there any difference between S&W's "Armornite" finish and the old Melonite ? Why the change ?
I never understood why people get bent when they slap in a fresh mag and the slide automatically goes into battery. That's like your tv turning itself on and tuning to your favorite channel whenever you sit on your couch.
The problem is that its not always reliable, the auto-forward is caused by hitting the grip really hard, not because of the magazine, so if you bump it before fully seating it won't pick up a round or it might malfunction
The armornite suppose to be a tougher finish over melonite only time will tell just like Glock on gen 5 they redid finish because the gen 4 finish doesn’t hold up as good as there older models. Plus it’s probably another selling point
I like when the slide "auto loads" on the MO 1.0 and then MP fixed it with the 2.0. Thats one feature I give the cz credit for as the auto load "feature"
Fantastic Review. Thank you
Glad you enjoyed it!
thanks again for the video by the way!
Is it a better quick shooter the 2.0? I saw some good quick shooting off of it. I do have a shield 9 and love the grip. Never shot a CZ though. Hope my local range has one to rent. With the Shield 2.0 literally right around the corner do I wait for the 2.0 shield? Wish the shield would go over the 7-8 rounds but if you're on target then it wouldn't matter.
I too shoot low left.....and I keep hearing this amongst a few different channels. Please let me in on the secret of this commonality. Thanks for the Vid!! Subbed!!
Maybe tightening fingers or slapping / jerking the trigger (shooting right handed). Look at a pistol correction chart. It depends on if you're a left or right hand shooter. Maybe that will help.
Have the 2.0 compact in both 9mm and .40. Excellent and reliable quality for the price.
Exceptional presentation. 2 thumbs up! Think I need to subscribe.
I would go with the M&P all other things being about equal, I like the looks of the S&W and the fact that it is made in the U.S.A. Disclaimer , I do own my first and recently purchased C.Z. 75B urban grey suppressor ready and love it and have owned three different M&Ps one of which was the 9mm c. All good guns just not so much on the triggers. Great review as usual and fun. ROCK ON.
Good comparison going with the m&p just feel like home in your hand
I’ve got both of them... the M&P is way better for ‘run n gun’ type stuff in my hands... both are great guns, but I’m keeping the Smith and selling the CZ.
i hear a lot of people are selling their p10cs.. funny after it got so much praise from so many people. perhaps some glorification was involved initially?
Yup. I had a P10c and an M&P 2.0 full size (pretty sure the compact feels similar in the hand) and if I had to pick one it would have been the M&P, too. My biggest gripe is that I have trouble calling the P10c a CZ as it has none of the positive attributes that I loved about my old CZ75; I wanted a CZ, not a Glock Gen 6. They are both gone as the family all agreed they liked the P320 compact and full size better than either. I also kept the VP9 because it was my own personal favorite by just a hair.
former pilgrim CZ is bigger like the ppq . CZ will go in my safe with the others(sig 320,PPQ, ) because size matters in IWB.
former pilgrim good choice!
Did you ever sell the CZ?
I also have both, you can get 17round extended p10c mags if you poke around a little bit. Also I’m surprised that your p10c trigger weight is 6lbs. Mine out of the box averaged just under 5lbs and settled in after a thousand rounds at about 4.5. I have same trigger scale. Anyway, great video. Great guns. The best of 2017.
Id rather have for a couple of reason the CZ P09 over the P10 I dont know but I can shoot better with the p09. As for the M&P I haven't tried it but soon I will because it is on my list to buy. Thanks for the video. Great job as always.
Nice video as always
FYI the P-10 has factory 17 round magazines available. It can also use 19 round P-09 magazines.
Good point - thanks!
Good point - thanks!
Justin Opinion my p10c came with 15 round mags. You can put baseplates on to upgrade but the standard capacity mag for the p10c is 15
CZ has plus 2 base plates available for the P-07 (P-09) and P-10C.
David Giles base plates are cool but the gun comes with 2 15 rounders. My point was it comes with the 15 round capacity not that you cant change it.
I would be real interested to see if you have any projectile markings on the bottom of the feed ramp on the p10c ????
Justin, I just got a new 2017 CZ P-07 and it came with 2 P-10C mags. I'm assuming the new P-09 mags will be the same just with a larger capacity, so you should be able to use them in the P-10C.
My M&P 2.0 Compact will be in tomorrow. Curious about it. I loved the full size 2.0 and love buying American so I don't think I'll be disappointed.
Hey Justin just wondering how you feel about the recent p10c findings. Do you think it’s being overblown or a legitimate concern?
I just bought the M&P 2.0 compact. Before I fired my first shot, my 5'2" 102 lbs girlfriend was able to drop the slide using the slide released left handed. (She's right handed). She was able to drop the slide. But it wasn't easy for her.
Thanks!
" . . . and I'm cheap . . . " says the guy with carbon fiber underwear. ; )
You been peeking again? ;-)
The right side slide stop- release works just fine on my 40 caliber 2.0 compact
I'm opting for both.
They changed the slide release, to a slide lock only, on the 2.0 versions. It fixed the auto slide drop and made it difficult to release cause you’re not supposed to.
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For ypur grip index comparison, was that using the Medium backstrap/swell for each?
Or comparing the Small's of each for the smallest possible index?
Yes, medium for each. I try to do the comparison that way since that is how they are shipped. Good question though!
Either one of these firearms would serve you well. On the topic of paint, I think the 2 or $3 cans of paint + primer are the best bang for your buck.
Lost my private range...(friend's land, he moved). I love to shoot fast and realistically, public ranges throw you out for shooting faster than a round every 2 seconds. I'm envious!
get off my lawn join a club
I own and love both. I will say that the M&P has a slighty lighter recoil over the P10c. Both are deadly accurate. I stick 3" splatter pasters on all of my steel tatgets and fire away at 20 yds. the pasters only last a few seconds with these two.
Lol, I watched this video right after the first 100 on the P10C where you said the slide stop doesn't work as a slide release, now the P10C wins that battle. Haha.
And it's interesting when you say the CZ doesn't have the +2 baseplate option yet. I realise this video is pretty old, but here in SA my P10C came with those base plates for each magazine. Lol
I had such a bad experience with the first gen m&p I haven't even considered. I might try a full size.
My cz slide release paddle broke off not to long ago. I love that gun but I’ve started looking for another one
In the Video when you are comparing sight pictures, on the M&P that Front White Dot Just Jumps Out !!
You are right Gerry, I also could see the front sight much easier then the pz10c.
Is the smith barrell fluted? Or is it aftermarket barrell
I carry a M&P 9C (1.0) and enjoy it but have been wanting something slightly bigger for home/range fun. I’ve been unable to decide between the 2.0 C, P-10C, and Canik TP9 SF Elite. Your video didn’t help and I still can not rule either out!
The M&P slide stop will loosen up over time. They're always stiff like that when they're new.
I’m personally not a fan of external safeties. Plus CZ nailed the ergos and I was able to get an optics ready version.
Greetings from Colombia for this CZcams channel @justinopinion #justinopinion
Love my M&P. I want the p10 I ordered one a year ago from my dealer and iam still waiting.
Your dealer sucks bro
Great head to head video!! I can't wait to get my cz p-10c back from the cz repair shop. they have it cause my slide release spring kept coming off. so if it still happens when I get it back I will trade it for either the 2.0 m&p compact or the Glock gen 5. being a left handed shooter i like the slide release on my cz a lot. the slide release work fine on the Glock gen 5 good for me. but i really like the new grip on the 2.0 m&p compact. not sure of what I will get... your thoughts?
Don't get the Gen 5. M&P 2.0 if you aren't invested in Glock already. If you gotta get a Glock, go gen 3 with night sights and talon grip, Vickers model, or gen 4.
The CZ comes with two +2 base plates for your magazines. you can change one or both of your magazines to 17rds instead of the flush fit 15rd capacity.
I own the P10c, a 2nd gen, and an M&P9 1.0. The 1.0 has a 17 rd mag without extension, and the p10c has a 17 rd mag with ext. just throwing that out there. they are almost the same size and weight when the p10c has the extension.
hey, nice video, but CZ does have a 17rd mag for the p-10c as of this video however, hard to come by.
Hard to compare when you can’t even get your hands on the cz p10c right now. I’ve searched high and low and can’t find anyone who has them in stock. That said I just got the m&p 2.0 compact and love it. If anyone can help with locating the p10 please let me know thanks
I have the CZP10C and the S&W MP2.0c as well and a Gen4 Glock. I like how the CZ feels but had multiple stove pipe failures straight out of the box (after initial cleaning and oiling). Sent in for warranty work, got it back and have not had another issue but still regaining trust in it. The Glock just loves to eat anything I throw in it. Only complaint, it is uncomfortable compared to the other 2. The S&W has tough grips and after a while can cause irritation but I love it and trust it as much as the Glock.
Sorry for your loss brother, may mr doggo be happy chasing the mail man in the great beyond
Thanks, bro. He took my heart with him, and the hole where it was hurts like hell.
#justinopinion @justinopinion Mr Justin opinion which is best weapon or gun The CZ P10C or The Smith&Wesson M&P9 2.0 ? Thanks for your help and opinion
Greetings from Colombia for this CZcams channel
P10 all day....But I really like that 2.0 as well...I did upgrade my trigger with the HB Industries, and it doesn’t get any better
A - I can't believe I've been watching this channel for 5 years. Time flies!! B - I own both of these and a Glock 19. What's on my nightstand? The Smith and Wesson 2.0 Compact. The difference between it and the P10C is minuscule, though. All are stock except for the sights (all the same Trijicon sights). For my money you can't go wrong with either the Smith and Wesson or the CZ. The Glock 19 is great, but it's definitely coming in third, for me.
Three big reasons I went M&P instead of glock
1: USA made
2: Trigger, great breaking stages and almost necessary to change out your trigger unless you're a fan of Flat Triggers.
3: No need for Kydex on the pistol out of the box, scalloping on the slide is perfect where on some pistols it's an add-on (Sig 229 Legion for example versus their original 229)
Accessories are readily available, mags are decent price, universal holsters tolerate them greatly, and the backstrap replacing means I can quick change out from a fat, chunky grip during range shooting to a medium size carry grip ( I practice with both, but prefer the medium for carry)
OK so I went out and got the M&P 2.0 Compact today. Couldn't resist any longer. Went and ran 150 rounds of Blazer Brass through it. You are right, very shooty. Ran flawlessly. The grip might be too grippy though. Might need to tame it with a Talon. However there was no bone showing after 150 rounds so...
Steve Neal You should try a Pachmayr grip I put one on my SD9 VE and I will try it on my M&P when I get it.
I like the Talon grips on my P320's. I also put some on my M&P 45. I will have to check out the Pachmayr
Get some 200 grit sandpaper and take some off a little at a time until you get it go how you like it. Fairly simple and it works.
Damn, what’s up with all the soft hands these days? Is this the computer-generation buying guns that punish their soft mitts?
Why are you referring the the triggers as DAO when they're single action?
Guns America just sent me your video about the Glock 50 GI. I didn't know if you knew they were bootlegging your stuff.
No, that is a GunsAmerica video that I made for them. I do reviews for GunsAmercia as a regular contributor, and also write full written articles. But thanks for having my back, because that stuff does happen!
Pink? Good job. Much more visible than plain old gray.
I have a smith and wesson m&p 2.0 9mm and love it the weight is perfect compared to other guns I have owned it fit s my needs perfect and is a great daily carry gun for me since I live in Indiana and we have a no permit to carry a gun
My P-10c is my new favorite carry gun! Especially with a more comfortable HB Industries trigger, which according to Mr. Lyman, pulls at only 4.25 Lbs average. And the P-10c (after several thousand rounds) auto-loads routinely.
The M&P 2.0 has a better stock trigger than the stock M&P 1.0(?) and more comfortable than the stock P-10c, but S&W lost my purchase because of the way it would not auto-load. I now only have 5 M&P 1.0's all of which auto-load nicely during competition reloads. Necessary to fix S&W's typical trigger short comings, 4 of mine have complete Apex triggers, and the remaining one has a stock Performance Center trigger, but with Apex guts.
Personally for me, the auto load feature is a big negative for me.
Got my M&P Compact about a month ago but cannot get any range time due to the current virus closures, VERY frustrating. As a leftie you’re right about the slide lock, I’d lave to be a gorilla to use it as a release.
Hello. Thank you very much for your review.
I want to start in IPSC and I am hesitating between the M&P standard version or the compact version.
What would be the best size to enjoy this discipline in particular? Will there be much difference?
Thank you very much
Even on the M&P full size 9mm and 9c slide lock is stiff but it gets better with use.... Just shoot more!! 😂😂
Immediately hit the subscribe button after seeing this bad ass duel wielding both of these gorgeous guns at the beginning. #merica
LOL - thanks! It's only downhill from there!! ;-)
Justin truthfully you shoot much better with the M&P you had all 15 on the plate 1 handing it, where you missed over a1/3 of them with the CZ. Now I'm not dogging CZ because in all honesty I am a pretty serious CZ Fanboy I have owned probably close to 10 different CZ pistols over the years and have never had a single issue with any of them they were all 100% function and are extremely accurate out of the box with unrivaled ergonomics IMO.
That said the M&P even the first gen with the trash trigger are very ergonomic shoot very flat with laser cut accuracy. I have not shot the P-10C yet so I cannot compare its performance with any of the poly-pistols I have shot to date. I will say this I have shot PPQ, TP9sf-Elite, Ruger Sec-9, SR9, Glocks of all calibers, CZ P-07/09 and a few FN's and they all have their strengths and weaknesses, however the best I have shot recently was the M&P 3.6 compact.
The M&P 2.0 is a vast improvemnet over the first gen in a few areas. Ergonomically the removal of the beaver-tail was wise making it more IWB friendly, the grip texture is by far the best of them all on the market in my opinion, the refined trigger system OMG gen 1 and gen2.0 are light years apart, the hinged trigger still is not my favorite but even its contours have been smoothed so that it didn't bite my finger, the feed ramp on the 2.0 is much better as well being wider and tapered better, then last thing is how they redid the mag release section of the grip so that it isn't as encased with as much of a humped protrusion was wonderful I don't have to break my shooting grip to get to the release like I did on the gen 1.
Most people probably don't consider the 2.0 as having all that much done to it but in my eyes it has been completely overhauled in all the areas needed to make it a Glock19 destroyer. I would not have mentioned any of this a month ago as I despised the gen 1 pistol to the point that I wouldn't look at a S&W M&P pistol due to the beaver-tail and worst trigger imagineable. A trip to my local shop to check out the P-10C a couple weeks ago changed my mind. There was a M&P 9 c 2.0 with thumbsafety in the display right next to the 380 EZ that caught my eye and with some coaxing and reassurance that the 2.0 trigger was vastly better the clerk got me to handle it and I'm glad he did because the 2.0 is way better than the M&P of old and I ordered it in 40cal this morning after talking to S&W directly to clarify some options.
The CZ is too new for anyone to really say that it is better than the rest, but once there has been a few years worth of data collected, and some upgrades to design come about due to consumer feedback. I imagine it could be in the top 2 easily and that is just my going off every other CZ I have ever owned and shot. Only time will tell.
@Viking and?
I'd say the M&P, only because the CZ is about as big as the M&P compact with the 17 round mag. I wish it was more concealable, but only the M&P and G19 are in that 4.9-5 inch sweet spot.
SerenGetter you hit the nail on the head! Duplicating the size of the G19 makes the M&P the real winner here. This attribute made the G19 reign supreme until now, win for the 2.0!
Agreed, the G19 and M&P are true compacts. The P10C,while nice, falls into that full size category that’s missing 2 rounds (i.e. VP9 and PPQ)
4.9 - 5" ???
Why not choose a favorite trigger? I was hoping you were going to choose one.