Description of Shien Lightsaber Combat
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- The fifth video in my series about lightsaber techniques, focusing on Form V: Shien and Djem So.
A highly offensive and strength-oriented style based the principle of defending and instantly countering, with Shien focusing on blast-deflection, and Djem So on lightsaber dueling.
Djem So. if your opponents lightsaber is not getting pushed back into their body you aren't hitting them hard enough.
too true lol.
If someone masters both Shien and Djem So he/she is (at least on paper) prepared for anything. He/She can handle blast deflection, can fight off multiple opponents and be a pretty good duelist at the same time. That's the reason why Form V is my favourite form of lightsaber combat.
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Trouble is Form V has problems with single lightsaber combat
+KumaoftheForest That's the reason for mastering both variants of the form. djem so is optimzed for lightsaber dueling while shien is optimized for blast deflection and fighting off multiple opponents. Look at Anakin Skywalker: In episode 3 he fucked up count dooku, one of the best duelist at the time. During the clone wars he survived lot's of battlefield engagements using shien for blast deflection. You should listen to Jensaarai.
+Danmaru San The issue I see with Djem So is endurance. It's so taxing that lasting long in duels can be difficult, especially if dueling with a Soresu specialist. The Soresu duelist could theoretically outlast the Djem So duelist, with its focus on "BRUTE FORCE BRUTE FORCE BRUTE FORCE."
Only if you're someone of obi-wan's caliber.
I love that bit toward the end. As if to say:
"I may be about to lose this fight, but I assure you, by the time we're done here, you'll be eating all of your meals through a straw for the next 10 years.
who said that,vader?
Pierce Wise it's not said he's talking about the bare fist beating Vader dishes out at the 5:52 mark
Darth Vader does deserve the position of a Form V poster boy. Considering his defeat at Mustafar at the hands of Obi-Wan Kenobi, Vader still managed to re-obtain his prowess with Form V. That and unlike his former Jedi self, Vader learned to use Djem So in a more controlled manner instead of simply battering his opponents to dust.
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It's all Form V, be it Djem So or Shien. Also, Vader was still good at the Shien aspect of Form V.
Apparently he did have alot of time, considering his careers as both a Jedi and a Sith. He was still very adept at what I sometimes call Shien: "retaliated blast deflection" as Vader. Not only that but he was a Sith almost as long as the years he was as a Jedi. I'd say he had plenty of time, even when he was retooling his style.
Not that there's anything wrong with beating the enemy into submission, sometimes brute force is the best way
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Well for one thing, Shien was developed from Soresu, which was also a lightsaber combat form in which you simply don't wish to be hit or when you're stalling for time. So Vader would have had enough time to develop his Shien technique from that form. Also, it should be noted the Shien was not very useful against a single opponent. But the fact that Anakin was able to use it against Count Dooku for so long during their first duel was a bit of an achievement.
Also, in Episode II, Anakin didn't even use Djem So against Dooku. He was using Shien. He wouldn't delve into Djem So until during the Clone Wars and against his final duel with Dooku. Much like how when Obi-Wan fought Dooku when he was using Ataru, not Soresu.
+99thJediWarrior on the wiki it says when anakin was fighting dooku he used a shien opening stance to throw off dooku then return to his actual Djem So strokes/attacks
I LOVE Form V. Mixed with Soresu you pretty much become a lethal stone wall against blasters
Possible explanation for the Shien user preference of reverse grip: It puts the blade between the attack, saber or blaster shot, and the duelist, sort of like a narrow shield. As a more defensive form, it is better to be making your offensive counters while still defending. Reverse grip keeps the blade close to the body, allowing for tighter movement and less flourish which could mess up your defensive flow. Think of a reverse grip saber like a shield and it makes much more sense.
Though something that rather surprises me is that we see the Gungans use hand held energy shields which are able to nullify blaster fire at least, so its strange that I don't think I've ever seen a Jedi employ such a shield. Even if it was useless against sabers, I would rather have a shield covering most of me while taking blaster fire and then countering with my saber than to rely on the saber alone.
The reverse grip is HORRIBLE in actual swordplay. Lesser defenses and options for attack than a traditional grip. Take a look at Skallagrim's video on it as he's proficient in actual swordsmanship.
Actualy, I beleive the reverse grip is not geared toward efficiency, but more like a suprise attack. Not that you wont see the shot coming or anything but more that you cant keep your eyes on it. Like some chinese user of martial art or assassins in general, you'll know they have weapons but they keep it hidden until they strike. Its basicaly because people will keep their eyes on the blade to aim at it and judge the lenght to anticipate the 3d maneovrability of the blade. Without that sight, its a bit harder to go on. Someone used to fighting wont be troubled much, but someone else would be put off a bit. Hell, it'd be a bitch if the blade had multiple lenght choices.
that's really for any form. part of using the force is attempting to read your opponent's moves by how they affect the force around them to determine a next attack or sense presence
Shien is just such a good form to practise, it is perfect blast deflection and is actually great for one on one lightsaber combat
DanTMusic to be fair as long as its not a djem-so or juyo user you're fine when fighting one on one, parry, strike, rinse and repeat
DanTMusic shien requires greater focus on where you send a blaster bolt you've deflected so you can't deflect as many oncoming attacks as seresu would be able to
"Djem So practitioners are scary as all hell!" Damn right. And Vader... pray for whoever duels the dark lord of the sith.
Vader is a fucking tank. And even when he is getting beat, he will fuck,you,up.
Best description of Vader I've ever heard.
I loved the "he will fuck you up" part
Same here.
" He will FUCK.YOU.UP"
I would like to see a remake or addendum to this video, now that you've analyzed how Shien can be applied in lightsaber combat in the Vindican vs. Luminara video.
Personally, I would base my lightsaber fighting style on Djem So and supplement it with Makashi’s precision and leverage based counters and Ataru’s mobility, deception and acrobatic nature, making it similar to German longsword only more agile.
This is by far my favorite lightsaber combat style. Has no MAJOR weaknesses like the rest of the forms
besides mobility(Djem So) and Shien(difficulty against single opponents)
+Pierce Wise It's ok if you a little slow you have a brick wall defense, and a strong offense. And honestly I would say Djem So is not all about brute force, but timing, precision and power. There are four main things to consider in terms of stuff like this, Speed, Power, Timing, Precision. And a master of Djem So has three of the components locked down, and of course they can build up speed and mobility through training.
+Josh Campbell yea. Anakin used Ataru in unison a bit with Djem So. I guess that helps. But as for a pure specialist of Djem So, yea I think they can over come their weakness in mobility via training as you said
Pierce Wise Which is important if you find a weakness in your style correct it, figure out what you need to do to fix it and become better.
+dasd282 Its lack of efficiency against single opponenst (Shien) is a pretty major weakness, just ask Kit Fisto. As well as Djem So being very physically demanding due to it's emphasis on constant offense and power strikes, plus the lack of mobility.
It's my favorite form in stwor it's hard hitting
I absolutely love the part where you describe vader. it makes me laugh every time. "HE'S A FUCKING TANK! HE WILL FUCK. YOU. UP!"
well remember: The Sith were secretive as hell. Even when inside their perspectve in writing they're secretive. When they fell, nearly all their knowledge went with them. You're probably right that there were entire wings that could fill a library based upon combat, but by that same token, Sith hate each other and devise their own philosophies probably even down to combat. So while Juyo and Shii-Cho and the classic Jedi forms are among them, there's probably loads that are hidden or destroyed
That juicy old school halo score...
Ok I'd use djem so. Mainly because I'm aggressive as hell. In a duel BRUTE FORCE is what I usually use.
You sure must engage in a lot of stick fights huh
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Not much of an acrobat. Ataru uses lots of acrobatics.
Maybe you should try Juyo/Vapaad
A little too aggressive for my taste
I think that the main reason for Shien's alternate Reverse grip is that the default Zone 5/ Zone 6 parry was a drop parry, and since drop parries could also be used for Zone 2/Zone 3 parries, using a reverse grip would make parrying more unified to help with the defensive focus of Shien.
I love Form V, as a kid I always wanted to fight like darth vader lol (even had a plastic darth vader lightsaber that lit up and made sounds). Anyway guys I have 2 questions: what mark of contact does Palpatine use against Kit Fisto and Saesee Tiin? What marks of contact does luke use above the sarlacc pit in ROTJ? This has bugged me for years
Brute force! Brute force! Brute force! Brute force!
Great vid, and series!
Djem So seems to be one of the most practical styles, especially for real life people who cant use the force
Form V is my favorite mainly cause its versatile. It can be used for both Light saber combat and using it do use an enemys blaster bolt against them. Plus, its aggressive which I like.
I think the reverse grip is to more easily twirl it to deflect repeated blaster bolts like what Galen Marek does in the games if you've maxed out his blaster redirection abilities.
One of the best vids out there. thanks bro
Darth Bane was a master of Soresu If you read Dynasty of Evil he was able to use this form in a monsoon to keep any rain from hitting him. On the subject of Rain, it was also this style that Darth Zannah used.
What is that brilliant music you put in these videos and all so very good lesson even though I had all ready learnt form 5 light saber combat by my self I still found this lesson entertaining.
As A swordsman I can shed some light on your question regarding the shien reversed grip. In a nutshell the reversed grip grants greater control over your blade, allowing you to do more with less movement. The defensive advantage to this against blaster fire should be obvious. The drawback to the reversed grip is decreased reach and range of motion. Against blaster fire this makes little difference but in blade to blade dueling is a severe disadvantage, hence Djem'So.
I also like how vader and luke used shien/djem so on each other and many opponents. i must agree that vader has the toughness of the t-800 terminator and he's smart enough to change his tactical advantages due to the fact that he borrows other lightsaber combat elements from the other contemporary forms.
First love the halo music in the background and 2nd iv practiced this lightsaber form for 3 and a half years . I saw Anakin use thus form and I'm physically fit enough and I use this at many reactments and other places . This video breakdown does very good at explaining this so good job
In my grandfather’s day… they only allowed you to serve 2 tours. Because of psychological reasons. But now there are some people that are expected to serve 8 or more tours. I don’t know about you, but I have a lot of respect for these guys that are missing a part of their leg, & are expected to carry the same weight load & perform on the same level as someone who isn’t blown apart yet.
shien is my favorite form because of its obvious and visibly counterable attacks in theory, until you realize their swinging at you with the power of a truck.
That picture at 5:42 is awesome. Truly terrifying its like looking at a living corpse of pure evil, anger, aggression and pain.
Diversity in combining all the forms is the key to victory in any battle.
I would say the best reason to explain why it is weaker against single opponents is because of the way it utilize its key strength over djem so: mobility. A shien practioner tends to bounce from opponent to opponent, dancing around their aggressors in circular paths and taking the straight line against their enemy only if the opportunity appears. In a one on one saber duel, this tactic is much more difficult to apply, unless the difference between your agility and his is so vast.
If I remember the mythos correctly… the robotic limbs are made out of some sort of light weight metal of some sort. In 1 book that I read… it was described as being like fiber optic cable. I know that there is something there that allows the person to feel through the limb. So there is a sensation of touch.
+SuPah Man Shien is geared towards blast deflection and is bad for dueling, while djem so is geared for strong attacks with a good defense. Luke uses soresu, ataru, and DJEM SO, because his soresu already gifts him with awesome blast redirection and deflection
My favorite by far!! xD
If you actually watch, Starkiller strikes with the reverse grip in one direction, and a traditional grip in the other. This allows for better power and speed in both directions, since it allows you to utilize your wrist and elbow more effectively, allowing you to move the blade faster with more power.
"Vader is a fucking tank." XD This is the truth. Anakin was always geared more toward his lightsaber use and physical attack than his Force powers during his time, so it makes that Vader would only amplify those traits with his use of the agression of the dark side. Well done!
@Jensaarai1 - Excellent video. I myself prefer Form: V over the other forms, with a focus on the Djem So variant. And thank you for the laughs when you talked about Darth Vader being the poster boy. "He is a fucking tank!" Got me laughing out loud.
Thank you for another great video.
This has to be the best Lightsaber form on it's own. So many strength's and very little weakness. I hope to combine this form with Makashi one day.
you jusy like it cuz its brute force krogen
If that were the case my form would be juyo, simply relying on my secondary and tertiary organs to absorb the damage. But I appreciate someone who knows what a krogan is.
Why? You have guns that Lightsabers can't bounce back! Just use a lot of Claymores and blow the fucking Jedi away. XD
Mandalorians-Krogan Alliance is my dream utopia, by the way.
Bullets or "Slugthrowers" can be used against efficiently, but their not full proof. A jedi can use telekinesis or tutaminis to stop the projectiles. These tactics are not the best for dealing with master swordsman.
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True, but I'm talking about first contact, shooting them all by surprise. They will take a while to adapt.
Also, don't Mass Effect guns actually shoot "highly accelerated molten lava slugs"? That does some mean damage, and not all Jedi have Darth Vader or Galen Marek-levels of Telekinesis.
Vader is by far and always has been my favorite sith lord.. there so many layers to him
This is the form that a lot of those see you lightsaber form websites said is most compatible to me
6:16 I died sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo many times on the Boss Battle
*shudders*
loved the vader commentary on this one!
I am very unsure about which style I'd want to do. I'm pulled between Djem So and Ataru, though I'm kinda leaning to Djem So and I'll explain why. I kinda want to base this on how I approach my Tae Kwan Do fighting style. When I did it, I was a frickin' monster. Nobody screwed with me. When I get a beat on you, there was no escape. I was fast, I could defend and evade, and I attacked like a beast. I was calm while I stormed my opponent. Sometimes I'd hurt my opponent unintentionally. Ideas?
well from a logic standpoint, the fighting styles have existed for centuries before them, so it all came from somewhere as well as (spoilers) Revan was kept in stasis for 300 years so the Emperor could've realized strengthening his army by using Jedi skills (plus field experience during the war) and it could've been written down. Sidious considers Juyo a Sith style (and it is), so Djem So is probably their "Defensive Form" because of its raw aggression.
I really enjoy the use of Djem So, though I'm a noob to lightsaber sparring insomuch as it exists in the real world. I guess that's part of why I like the Sith much more than the Jedi.
Great vid jensaarai this is the style I would like to learn if I was a jedi
a reverse grip allows the blade to cover more of the body with less movement..
I find it more useful against blasters in exchange for tougher time against sabers (kudos to Ashoka for pulling it off anyway). And is less in the way when using two hands for Force powers
+John Peacekeeper you can easily make it useful for lightsaber combat by switching to a normal grip you can throw off your opponent
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Exactly. It's fun when you do that. Best part about Shien btw is it's a one-handed style, while Djem-So is two-handed, meaning you're less restricted in movement and can dual wield
+John Peacekeeper but in a fight with a skilled force user or power attacker its not wise to use dual wielding unless you have the strength to block such vicious attacks. But yes I don't see why Form V masters or specialists just switch between shien when using one hand and for two hand use djem so. I feel like they flow with each other and it keeps your enemies off guard with power attacks
I believe Luke made use of both Shien and Djem So while Anakin focused primarily on the latter until he got put in the suit, and then made more use of Soresu with his Djem So due to his restrictions
Here's an idea for why the reverse grip. Shien focuses on blast deflection and this grip is very fast in making blast deflection
It’s not the style of the form that is important… but rather how it is applied to the situation. THAT’S THE IMPORTANT THING!
there is a variation of shien which was formed by the sith whch involved long sweeps and reverse grips, it's known style was pracitced by ashokan tano and starkiller/ galen marek
Hopefully Darth Vader will be this secret surprise of *Star Wars: Rogue One* at the end of 2016 where we might finally see him using Djem-So onscreen in slaughtering Rebels and post 'Jedi-purge' Jedi Knights alike in his prime!, which will covers events of Vader's exploits prior to Episode 4!
And perhaps Jensaarai will update these neat Lightsabre form videos of his, with moving images/video from the SW films and animated shows etc.
It's basically a combination of Heavy Armor and Two-handed Weapons.
Yea... if you're Darth Malgus, anyway.
Soresu and Shien is my combo, 3 and 5. Aggressive Defense with sneaky one shot kill shots
The movies are what counts. Lucas' description of Vader's and Obi-wan's final duel in Ep IV stated that it was essentially the fight between two old men. So, with all his experience, Vader would still be highly debilitated by age and his prosthetics. So the comics just play on Vader fanboyism, and take away the fact he is not supposed to be as powerful as depicted because he was chopped up on Mustafar.
"Then jump at the guy and ruin his day" haha! Best description ever
Thank you. By the way, excellent reviews of all seven combat moves.
I would love to hear your reasoning behind this. Vaapad would be the absolute perfect counter to Vader due to his extreme strength with the Force. I'm not nearly as well versed as you are in the Forms and also, I have yet to read that book (gonna go buy it today), and to be frank...I'm a HUGE Vader fanboy. However I'm really hesitant to give Vader the edge in a fight due to Mace's mastery of several forms and also his Shatterpoint technique.
there actually was a japanese sword designed to be wield with a reverse grip, and it was effective, for other swords it is less efective but can be useful in some circustances when using a single edged sword
Jesus, you are great at making these videos. Some would call you nerd, I rather call you passionate Star Wars fan. ;)
Was that friend Antoine Bandele?
I prefer Soresu and Djem So along with Teras Kasi, but I could see how Juyo and Shien would be pretty useful as well.
The reason it's considered the "best" form is because it has no prime weaknesses. All it's down sides can pretty much be overcome with training, even people who are not very strong can train to still use the form to it's fullest. Bad footwork? well train that away to. This would pretty much be the form best to specialize in.
+David Henry Djem So's lack of mobility is an extreme weakness that can't be overcome with training. Plus while one can increase their strength through the force and training it still is too physically demanding for a prolonged fight. At best Djem So is good for short chaotic bursts against opponennts of average- moderate and speed. A skilled Ataru, Juyo, or Vaapad, user would cause a lot of problems for a Djem So practitioner. Even Makashi user could counter a Djem So user if they were fast enough to avoid the power strikes.
+Elyxr The lack of mobility is due to most users of the form putting great power into their strikes. This can be overcome simply by training with a more fast paced style or by just not swinging as hard. You do not have to be a complete brute to use the form to its highest levels. Just look at Anakin yes he was a strong guy but he speed fenced with Count Dooku. The style (Alone) has weakness but all can be overcome with training. What does it have going against it, That depends, depends on what? You.
Personally, I agree with you, and I always thought that the best path to walk was to balance the Light and Dark sides equally. But it would seem that Lucas's characterization of the Dark Side is less "the bad part of the Force" and more "a corruption of the natural Force which will, in turn, corrupt you." That was the established way it worked from the get-go, and we can do nothing to gainsay it without destroying it.
Mace was robotic in his own way in regards to dealing with a situation & thinking it through.
It’s like with the Red Baron. Everyone knows that he was a fighter ace, but no 1 remembers who shot him down. So who was the better fighter pilot? Kind of the same thing here with Vader & Mace. Like Ash said in Army of Darkness… “The good… the bad… I am with the gun.’
possibly my favourite form, if i had to give a ranking V > II > VI > VII > IV > III > I
They probably use the reverse grip because it has a natural flick motion that's used for blaster bolt selection.
The compassionate application of this form is easy for me because I'm an emotional person but I'm not interested into hurting people like the juyo/vaapaad users. I know people who can master juyo because i see them doing and acting in the manner of a psychopath with anger instability, though i do like the way maul threw in the kick to kenobi's face for the 4th time total.
Great description! Bang on!
PS: Galen is a bullshit character who isn't canon (thankfully), so no need to worry, Darth Vader remains the greatest up until Luke. :D
Malgus is a boss and i believe so because Malgus tends to rely on strength and unarmed strength with modifications to increase defense and agility.
In my rehab trying to get back to normal, I’ve met a lot of guys that served overseas. 1 thing that blows my mind is it doesn’t matter if you lost a foot, an arm, or a leg, they will give you a artificial limb, slap a weapon in your hand, & expect you to continue your tour. My question to you is if someone is missing body parts… are they not as able as someone that is fully equipped?
It's him after his duel with Galen Marex. It's on Wookieepedia on several pages.
I'd agree with this, but Juyo is confirmed by Darth Sidious and the Book of Sith as a Sith style. As for Shii-Cho, it's the most basic form of saber combat and naturally Juyo also stems from that. Djem So can also be adapted for a Sith style, so you could say there's only 3 real saber forms that mirror that of the Jedi. Also many Sith Infiltrators were trained Jedi in their own right so it wouldn't be a stretch they'd take their teachings back (it's in the SWTOR holorecords timeline thingy)
Halo music on a Star Wars vid... I approve!
pretty cool. also i changed my fighting style. i would combine Soresu with Juyo. i thought about it, and i thought it would make sense to be very defensive but when u see the opening go psychotic on their asses. it would also be very unpredictable.
I'm gonna agree with Vader as Djem So's poster boy. Despite having to alter the form with traits of other lightsaber forms such as Makashi, Djem So is something Vader can't simply discard due to his high skill using it as Anakin. However, this isn't really a bad thing since not only did Vader's cybernetics gave him the strength behind his blows (something that just fits with Djem So's brute force traits), his entire crippled condition heavily calls for a massive retooling of how he uses Djem So to better suit how he fights which paid off big time. The more he separates himself from Anakin Skywalker, who was a pure Djem So duelist, the better he becomes of a duelist in his own right. Even then, Vader's base form was always Djem So, which again I doubt he truly discard in favor of something else.
About the whole separating from Anakin to being Vader thing in my head comes from his fight against the Jedi group at Kessel during the early stages of the purge post 66, in which he was basically in that conflict mostly as Anakin who was still pissed at Obi-Wan for crippling him. As a result, he may have come off on top (with a decent kill count) but he almost got himself killed there if it weren't for the troopers coming in to help finish the job. Once he shed away that part of his life in his later years, he was just a goddamn walking tank of a duelist until Luke stepped in during Endor.
Though not saying Anakin wasn't as good, he's for sure no small potatoes as a duelist, especially with his mental health in check.
Would you do OC vs OC versus videos if given a thorough analysis of the characters strengths and weaknesses? I'd love to see how my Original Old Republic Legacy character(s) would go up against one from the Clone Wars and Empire Era.
I think he was "The Chosen One" everything Anakin Skywalker could have become had he not strayed from the path, and shown humility.
This is the best style.
Thanks for explaining!
If memory serves Bane actually outmatched Zannah completely in lightsaber combat, and she had to resort to Sith Sorcery to beat him.
If i could use any of these forms..i would definately want to focus on SHien/Djem So..maybe add some switch to Ataru if i knew i had to be a bit faster and a slight usage of either Niman or Makashi.
I think eventually Anakin would have become like Revan, a somewhat neutral force user aligned with the Jedi. As the Chosen One I think he would eventually have used all force techniques, light and dark.
This is canon, mate. Lightsabre duelist in the Jedi Order number one was Yoda. Number two was Windu. This was at the time of Skywalker's height, in Ep III, before he was chopped up and became a robo-fighter having to rely on utter strength and weaving in Force attacks to prevent himself from being beaten.
In the TFU1 novel, which is G canon, Marek beat Vader for the same reason Obi-Wan did; Vader was overconfident. He used an all out offense against Marek, who countered it with Soresu until Vader wore himself out. In the TFU2 novel, Vader fights smarter, and beats the more powerful Marek clone straight up. He disarms him and destroys his weapons. The clone only won b/c he tricked Vader into lowering his guard and basically hit him with a lightning bolt. Also, Marek used Juyo, Soresu, and Shien.
Well I think that Vapaad is the form that leads to their dark side the most. I mean, quote ROTS"Vapaad is the form that brings you to the penumbra of the dark side".
"He. Will. Fuck. You. Up!" xD
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Djem so evolved out of shien which came about from soresu. So you have a defense oriented lightsaber combat leading into a more aggresive defensive style, and Djem So is the next most aggresive. Darth Malgus I would say is a master of Djem So, so he would be good at Shien too, having both a smashing offensive, as well as a tight defense. Watch other jensaari videos, he explains more in depth.
I'm pretty sure the reverse grip thing is just cosmetic, since you can't actually swordfight with a grip like that. The writers probably just thought it looked cool.
thats a good point and one I hadn't considered. Obviously Fallen Jedi like Exar Kun and Darth Revan would be familiar with Jedi styles, but a warrior such as Malgus who grew up in the Sith Empire wouldn't know them. I'm sort of disappointed the Book of Sith didn't go into more detail on Sith fighting styles, all we got was two pages from Darth Bane about Djem So and Juyo/Vaapad. Someone should do a book devoted to lightsaber in the Sith Empire...Maybe you??
Is it because of Djem So's lack of mobility? When your footwork is off, you will mostly likely slip, leaving yourself open for your opponent to atttack. Could that be the case?
I'd like to see Vader against Bane, or Malgus, or Bane V Malgus that would be awesome
As a jedi, i would use Shien and Shii-cho with a little bit of Niman.
This is the form i would use
I have one question regarding opening stances: Which form does Revan's opening stance belong to? His is one where he has a two-handed grip on his Lightsaber, but is holding the blade parallel to his eyes (typically with the tip of the saber pointed directly at his opponent).
That'd probably be the end result, whether I'd want to or not. I'd be capatalizing on Vaapad and Soresu, with Makashi as an assistive form or just to screw with lesser skilled opponents. What I mean by "screw" with them, I mean taunting them into a very bad position for them. Might not be such a good idea to screw with your opponent, but it's a funny thought.