Wheel Of Time Season 2 PREDICTED!
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- My predictions for season 2 of #TheWheelofTime!
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What do you think will happen??
Due to seeing the Seanchan, I dont think they will combine books 2 & 3 as much as many are claiming. They clearly weren't at Tear and it would be too big a change to bring in the Sword that is not a Sword to Falma. Would be too full IMO. If they we're going to combine the books that way, the Seanchan wouldn't show up will later I THINIK! All theorizing.
Lots of fireball action and Game of Houses stuff.
Rand will become transgender. Perrin will start a trolloc lives matter movement. And Amazon doesn’t give a shit about the books. So why anyone likes this show is beyond me.
Amazon will find a way to screw it up, and I’ll stop watching about midway through the season.
Well, it can't get worse, but I predict the second season will be at least as bad as the first.
As of friends get more powerful in the one power the weaves will get more colorful and more complex weavy. Looking. Worndering how they will do balefire
If Perrin is the main horn hunter, you can utilize that for Faile’s role in hunting that as well.
That would honestly be kind of cool, I felt like in the books she called him “woolbrain” once and they were in love, having her help with the horn would hopefully give that relationship time to breathe
I am really curious how Faile is going to be introduced and how the death of Perrin's wife will effect the narrative of their relationship
@@evilemuempire9550 I hope they do give it time to breathe. I had lots of issues with the book 3 plot there 😆
My prediction is that he meets Faile, there's a trolloc attack, and Perrin almost accidentally kills her, but then she blocks the attack and that's when he knows she's The One.
No, I'm sorry, even that's too logical, there won't be any Faile. Perrin has to have that love triangle with Egwene now, Rafe said so.
Honestly if the writing going forward is any good and logical I don't see how faile and perrin can be a thing. Unless you're a psychopath or u wanted to kill your wife, he's not going to be able to date any one within the next 5 to 10 years let alone a few months. Maybe they can do a perrin Nd faile buddy relationship where at the end of the series they get together, but if they write perrin out of his trauma by season 2 or 3, they will be shooting them selves in the foot in terms of writing
For the Rand in a sky thing : I'm visualizing him fighting in the streets, but each sword clash would create a sort of thunderstrike, with an after image of them both in the sky.
I think it could look good
It would be cool to see some dense urban fighting with powerful magic, get Michael Bay on that shit
This made me think of one piece and the sky splitting when two Conqueror's Haki users clash
I really hope they do want you said, but seeing how awful there cgi was in season 2 I don’t know if they’ll do that
I think it would look better if Amazon just canceled the show.
too bad nobody with good ideas like this is involved with the show.
As much as I want to see all this fleshed out like this, I don't think season 2 will end with falme, but with tear. I think they'll condense book 2 and 3 into one season. Judkins did say that they're planing arround 8 seasons for the whole story so they'll have to condense a lot. and the way s1 ended seems like they're setting this up. Rand and matt will go towards tear and the girls and parrin will go to falme. so both plots would happen simultaneously
@Day I don't think it's quite as bad it may seem, depending on how they go about it.
Do I think they'll mess parts up? Hells yea.
However, if you break it down...
Mat, at the white tower now, ends up being healed for various reasons.
Eqwene and nyneave go to white tower with moraine.
Loial and perrin set off to hunt the horn (meet elyas).
Rand follows his dreams and the hinty hints from sexy lady.
Eqwene, nyneave, and Elaine go on black ajah hunt
Moraine and mat go after them
Seanchan invade tear
Eqwene taken captive by seanchan, nyneave and Elaine rescue but get caught by black ajah
Mat and moraine meet up with perrin near tear and get horn back.
Mat goes after women, and seanchan attack. Blow horn, save women, attack the stone
Rand who meets aiel infiltrates stone and battles be'lal
Moraine saves Rand with use of balefire and then Rand kicks crap out of ishy at cost of almost dying.
Lots of action, minimize the insane traveling between the two books.
The biggest loss is bayle domon, but he could easily be in tear instead of falme.
Or they could minimize falme itself as where the girls are captured, but then moved to tear where the rest recuse their asses.
Remember that lore wise there's actually a strong reason to advocate the mesh.
Seanchan have a forsaken meddling in their top brass, as does tear. Tear hates the one power, and the seanchan leash channelers. If any wetland group would welcome the seanchan with open arms, it's tear! "Here, put this heretical woman on a leash, we don't trust the one power"
And they've already set a precedence for discrimination of channelers in tear when they did the flashback for suian with the dragons gang on the door and all that.
Tear and falme gonna mix somehow... I'm calling it
Fair theory!
This. That’s what I think the Rand leaving setup is for!
Daniel still has that good hearted hope that they are actually trying to tell the story of the Wheel of Time lol they are going to be skimming through and adding what they like.
I Partially agree. I do think that Rand is going to Tear, but, I think that he will go to Tear with just Selene. I think Rand Goes to Cairhein where he meets Thom. Thom teaches him the basics of the great game and swordsmanship. Perrin follows Rand to Cairhien, meeting Elyas on the way. Selene convinces Rand to go to Tear, and he leaves without telling Thom and Perrin. Thom and Perrin instead have to go to Falme. Lan and Morraine discover that Rand is going to Tear, and get involve there. Possibly, with the amount of one power going around, the image of the dragon and forsaken fighting is projected above Falme, which scares the Seanchan and allows the heroes of the horn to be victorious.
Rand and Mat in Tear? What is supposed to be Mats role? Just a tagalong. Perrin going to Falme alone makes very little sense. Unless they are going to make him sound the horn and give him a dragon banner. And if the horn is not blown in Falme, how would the Seanchan be defeated? And how would the girls escape? Well if they decide to go down that path, there has to be host of changes that arent even needed imo. It will be like creating an entirely different storyline just to fit 2 books into 1 season. And if they try to combine 2 books I guess it will be just like season 1. Rushed and forced.
My fondest desire for Season Two is that Rand will meet Tom Bombadil; great adventures ensue.
And also Hoid.
"Taking out the two noble boi's with his quarterstaff"
thank you for this quote Daniel it was beautiful
Except they completely changed Matt’s family, so he has no (logical) way to know how to fight now.
Unless they just give him unexplained non-source magic powers and say it’s taverin.
(Shit. That actually might be what they do. God damn it)
@@jessemccaughey4231 its entirely possible that his family is like that because of a downturn and hasn't always been that way. We don't know because we don't have the whole story so we just wait and find out. But that is a way to provide a redemption arc and justice for Abell.
Sideshow of a sideshow
@@Ailthas changing Abel's story to give him a redemption arc is just a waste of time. Some things are going to be cut just to make space for that.
I think let Matt learn the staff from warders and remove matt vs noble Bois. U can't have that now without wasting more time on Abel back story flash backs.
@@xyr3s I think the time required to become proficient with staff from the warders is longer than what it would take to throw a line in that says he learned from his da and that includes another line when Perrin returns to tr to rescue the girls. Wander training time is also time away from his travel time to wherever his story takes him. I'm choosing not to put a negative view on any speculation I have for the next season. If you take that route you'll never be happy.
The best way to subtly mention that Mat's face has changed and keep it with the lore of the books is to just have Donal Finn play Mat with no beard and have someone mention that something seems different about you too which Mat will reply "I shaved my beard, it was just too itchy for me."
The healing of Matrim scene in The Dragon Reborn book was a standout. The way Robert Jordan wrote the awesome way that seven or so Aes Sedai use the power to extract the Shadar Logoth evil from Mat felt intense. I had my jaw wide open the entire scene reading it. Gosh that was memorable.
Mat is already healed imo this scene will not happen the show. The show has destroyed the lore of linking/circles imo because they don’t want to rely on having so many actors in a scene. No more linking or circles until the last battle.
.. and then they make tv adaptation .. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I would love if they included Ingtar's story from the end of the book two. It is one of the most emotional scenes.
Hot take, hurin nixed and replaced with wolfbrother perin as tracker.
Hurin servers little plot relevance for the show and introduces a rare but largely unimportant ability that would only further complicate the shows already potentially convoluted magic system in the eyes of new fans
See these kind of changes are logical and make sense from a narrative adaptation perspective.. unlike season 1.
@Day I think there's a little confusion on my part regarding ur take there.
As far as I know, neither hurin nor Elias where darkfriends. So merging them wouldn't be that hard. I actually like that idea. Hurin plays a bit of a role in displaying the darker side of rand, but there's plenty of that, and nixing it to connect him to perrin in the form of elyas taking care of hurins tracking duties wouldn't detract much of anything besides getting rid of a piece of lore about a special power outside of channeling that fits nothing for the series narrative overall.
@Day haha, no worries.
Though the idea of a darkfriend wolfbrother would a fun concept
Instead of running with the wolves, he could run with darkhounds and the wild hunt.
Hurin's biggest impact as a character was to contrast Rand's behavior and morals from book 2 with Rand from book 12 and then book 13. It did a pretty decent job. They could probably achieve something similar with another character, tho. Loial, Perrin, Mat, Lan, someone new from season 2. With Hurin the valuable thing is Rand hadn't met him for 10 books, so there was less buildup and graduality to their visceral change in interactions (respect vs fear, responsibility and trust vs mistrust and cruelty)
If I'm not mistaken, Elyas being from the borderlands and having history in the blight coupled with his relation to Perrins story line I can definitely see them replacing Hurrin with Elyas during the hunt for the horn and introducing Hurrin some other way so that he can join Rands story. Only just finished book 4 however so maybe this could cause some problems later on that I amn't seeing
I had a theory that maybe they will make Gaul a wolf brother, combining him with Elyas.
Great ideas and predictions. I am hopeful that S2 will be more consistent with no actors leaving or dealing with major pandemic issues. Next season will be a make or break point with book fans depending on how much they listen to us about our criticisms.
My thoughts exactly, but I'm not optimistic they will.
@Day if they can make drastic changes due to issues that happen midway through the first season, I am hopeful (maybe too optimistic) that they can make some changes for the good based on S1 fan reactions while filming the S2.
Given how much they were willing to change & add, why are you hopeful they'll be more faithful to the books?
@Day they could honestly fix my 2 biggest issues with intern level editing skills. Any time the number of taveren is mentioned just replace their 5 with 3, easy edit. Then in the finale just edit out the entire canon breaking girl power moment. Problems solved.
Lots of shows hit their stride in seasons 2 or 3 while the first season can be a bit of a warm up, so yeah with a more organised production and more involvememt from Brandon this could still turn out great.
My hunch is that they’re going to combine books 2 and 3 this season. Rand running off on his own mirrors his plot line in The Dragon Reborn and I could see the writers just combining Nyneave, Egwene, and Elayne’s book 2 and 3 tower plot lines (hopefully their training doesn’t feel rushed). Because of the Seanchan, it seems that the season has to end in Falme so I’m not sure how they’ll make that fit with the Stone of Tear. Combining books like this gives me serious pacing concerns but I think it’s possible to pull it off
Me and u said almost the same thing at the same time lol.
My question would be do you think they will keep the party split up with half at falme and half at tear, have them all at falme and then tear, or combine falme and tear into just tear?
The difference with book 3 is that Rand went off to fulfill prophecies. At the end of season 1 for all he knows he defeated the DO already so someone will have to redirect him. Hopefully Lan, those 2 seriously need time together.
I was thinking they’d maybe have s3 start with the fall of Tear then basically be the Aiel season, they’d obviously need to justify the characters getting there, but I think they could probably accomplish that with 1-2 episodes of fast tracking (or just in world teleporting)
hmm very interesting idea, maybe they can make the seanchan attack the stone of tear, and then the seanchan, the whitecloaks and the 3 (was it 3? i forgot) forsaken to attack at the same time, that will make a very very epic finale, with mat using the horn to decimate the seanchan and then rand defeating the forsaken, maybe even with perrin calling his wolfs in a clutch moment to turn the tides.
then again, egwene could just outright kill the dark one, she can heal death, she is lyra. (then nyneave will become lanre bwahahahahaha)
If they are combining, and with 8 episodes again, I'm afraid that this have a big chance to be either a total disaster or a really great season if it is written well.
After recently reading the eye of the world and realising how different the story from the books is to the show, I hope they realise their mistakes in season 1 and stay closer to the source material
It would have been a mistake to stay true to the first book. The first book is incredibly boring and repetitive
@@mr.e7541 whilst I do agree, the first book created a world that felt more discovered, the show missed out so many interesting characters and moments from the first book. I also feel it was a mistake to age up the characters, as their personalities aren't as full in the show
@@mr.e7541 So show did nothing to make it better?
They can't stay closer to the books. They do not have 15 seasons to make 1 season per book, and even then they would have to cut a lot. Things will be cut and combined in the show
@@mr.e7541 so to resolve that they added in pointless made up story lines
I really appreciate your enthuasiasm and want to believe in it, but I don't think it'll go as smoothly as you predict. That's it for me, we'll see how it goes.
They are going to have to absolutely kill it in season 2 to even slightly make up for the steaming pile that was the finale of S1.
How can Moiraine go back to white tower with Egwene and Nynaeve (10:25), if the show went out of its way and made her swear on an Oath rod to not go back until summoned by the Amyrlin? If she is indeed merely shielded and not stilled, that oath holds, and also after how that scene was set up you can't just make the oath not important.
I think she'll instead spend first half of the season going by herself (with Lan) to find a cure, kind of like she went researching to Vandene and Adeleas in book two, but more important characters would be introduced instead; Verin, for example -- you didn't make prediction for her yet
Daniel's prediction way off just based on these two omissions; Verin and Moraine banished. Elaida will probably take power and we'll have some kind of escape for Siuan that has her heading to Moraine. Very hard to predict things and expecting we won't see a lot of things coming.
I think you're right there - their insistance on her influence within tower politics seem to indicate that she might even replace Elaida - yes, one of the most interesting aspects of Elaida is that she's a useful idiot instead of being strictly evil - but it would still allow the story to cover quite a bit of ground plot wise with a minimal number of additional characters. Liandrin being head of the black ajah and being a composite of most of the black ajah characters as well as getting access to the amyrlin seat makes sense if the show wants to condensate the plot as much as possible.
Also, if she proceeds to the White Tower she'll lose screen time and that won't happen. I think she'll end up in Falme after being unshielded and then rescue Elayne, Egwane, and Nynaeve from the Seanchan. This will allow her to link with them and defeat Ishmael while Rand is distracting him. However, Rand will get the credit because people will see him fighting Ishmael.
I love that you have ideas about how the second season could be fixed, but I have little hope. They were already filming before season 1 came out. We are just going to get more of the same crap that was in season one. I don't trust the show runners to fix their mistakes, when they don't consider them mistakes.
Not to mention their Tiny 8 episode seasons don't leave much room for corrections.
Maybe 100 years from now a Japanese Animation studio will do it proper justice.
Sounds like it’s gonna be pretty difficult to get everyone to Falme in the end.
Actually it’ll be super easy, barely an inconvenience!
What makes you think there's going to be a Falme? So far we haven't even seen Caemlyn. I wouldn't be surprised if the only city we ever see is Tar Valon, because, you know, gay warder sex is hot or something. You guys are way too optimistic. Get ready for 75% of show time to be devoted to things that weren't in the books.
Your predictions make the assumption the writing team is competent and trying to adapt as much of the Wheel of Time as they reasonably can, but I think the jury’s still out on that.
DANIEL NEEDS TO JOIN THE WRITERS ROOM! If they do everything you said it will be awesome! Unfortunately I think they are stuck on making Moraine the central character and her plot line will probably dominate season 2 like it did for season 1. I hope you are right though.
I agree. If anything, I think Daniel is too optimistic that they will stay true to the books. In Season 1, we spent an episode watching a no name Warder get depressed and commit suicide, intercut a romantic subplot between Moraine and the Armyllin Seat. For some reason the show runners included this when they already had 2 episodes fewer than they desired.
LMAO! They don't need more writers. What they should do is follow the source material! Yes I agree that that they've made Moiraine the star of the show. All others are her side characters. Pity.
Moiraine being the main character of season 1 isn’t too bad. I think it gave some sense of consistency to a show that at times just was all over the place. BUT she definitely should be a certified side character from here on out. Push Those 5 to the forefront
Show doesn't need more writers, it just needs to die. Sure, as fans of the story we'll come up with ways to find enjoyment from it (maybe. I'm not convinced on this one), but it's not the same story.
It's a shame too, because some of the casting was damn near perfect.
@@johnbunceiii2668 nobody is talking about how bad all of the towns and cities look (except for Shadar Logoth, it actually was the one exception). Am I the only one who has a problem with it?
Moiraine sending the Red Ajah against Mat should be a huge disaster, especially if they keep Liandrin Black Ajah. If Liandrin gets Mat, she uses compulsion to interrogate him and all of Moiraine's plans are ruined.
In fact, if they're keeping the Black Ajah plot from the books then Moiraine trusting any other sister leads to disaster. The whole reason why Moiraine and Siuane are so secretive and tries crazy desperate gambits is because they couldn't trust anyone.
I'd dump the Black Ajah plot myself. It was a waste of time.
@@davidbowles7281 Well I will miss seeing the spider put Liandrin and her sisters firmly in there place THAT was thoroughly enjoyable for me especially after what they did. Or as I saw it one of the costs of joining the shadow. (Only just finished book 6 myself, I say that because I know liandrin comes in a bit later book 8/9? and I dont want that spoiled ;) )
The whole show is a disaster, I doubt that will stop them.
This could lead to deposing Suiane in the show narrative
I've read the books and I was a bit disappointed after season 1. It is difficult to separate the books and the show but we'll have to because except for the general storyline there was little resemblance. At least, it means we'll see something we don't already know. The prediction you're painting here looks good. I can live with such an outcome. 👍
As a lifetime WoT reader who has read the series more times than I’d like to admit; I hope one of the writers for the tv series has half of the love, respect and honesty about the source material as you do, Dan Shan.
If they are planning eight seasons and the first was any indication, to me it looks like they’ll have to fight the Last Battle at Dumai’s Wells. They really want to condense two books into each remaining season without making it feel rushed?
Also, I predict a merging of Liandrin and Galina into one character, and they could also turn out to be Mesaana or Moghedien. What other characters could be thrown together into the trash compactor?
I wouldn’t even know where to begin to answer that because Rafe so far has basically torched the source material going by the final episode.
You mean you don't like the climax and Rand's victories at the end of EotW being reduced to him telling the Dark One that dreams of marriage and children are toxic masculinity and Egwene is free to go get a degree at Magic University and pursue something far more noble and heroic like a career?!??
Re: Matt looking different
I think they might, they could have a scene where they cure him properly using a circle (like in the books) & as he experiences what he did in the book his face will morph. That assumes the original actor is available for the scenes, otherwise it could just be a fall or being blasted by a red Sister & some bandages.
Re: the Red Sisters not being able to really hurt Matt
With all the changes that have been made I don't think you can say attempting to gentle a non-channelling man would have zero consequences, it's entirely possible they will have changed it.
Re Lioal
I don't remember you saying about him being stabbed in the last episode, it seemed bad so it's entirely possible he'll either be sidelined off to a stedding to heal or off to the tower I suppose.
Re: Truer to the books in season 3
I don't see how you can predict this, why wouldn't they just keep diverging in whatever direction they think makes it easier for them? You saw in the last episode (whole season) how much they're willing to change.
Most importantly - They're going to have to try to find a way to re-introduce the Prophesies as meaningful & important or just do away with them entirely I suppose; after they were almost completely dismissed as unreliable in S1 in an attempt to add to the mystery I don't know how they're going to do that, but without it there's less of a guiding force to Rand's actions & he won't have anything to struggle against.
@pendantic
Re: Truer to the books in season 3
-Completely concur.
I would like for them to turn this back around but don't have a lot of hope for that to happen. At the very least, I hope they can shore up their own plot holes so I can enjoy the show more, even if separate from the book.
To your point about episode 8 I would say that they had more creative liberty with the ending of Eye of the World than they do for other parts of the series. The ending to that book isn't very much loved by fans and was never imo very good so changing it makes sense. Book 3 is very loved so they'll try to follow it more closely
Loial is dead. He got stabbed with a dagger from Shadar Logoth. That is certain death. If they bring him back, they are just pissing on Robert Jordan's grave at that point.
@@jusatin The showrunner has already confirmed that he's not been killed off, so they're scaling back the power of the knife at the very least. I think we've got to accept that they're willing to change everything to suit their own vision & that this is a loose adaptation at best & it's entirely likely many of the people involved haven't read or don't care about the books.
My predictions assume that they will squish books 2 and 3 into Season 2 as we have been told.
First things first, Loial gets healed by Nynaeve, then he joins Perrin who leads the hunt for the horn, developing his wolf powers. Perrin runs into Gaul along the way. Maybe he meets Elias along the way, but I assume the character is cut. He definitely meets Faile along the way. Perrin meets up with Mat, Egwene, Nynaeve, Elayne, and Galad in Falme for the big showdown.
Fain delivers the horn to the Seanchan, but is taken da'covale by Turak, who suspects he is a dark friend, establishing that the Seanchan aren't a faction of the shadow, just a new brand of fucking evil. Suroth frees him at some point so he can escape Falme when it goes to shit. Season 3 he goes back to the Two Rivers to Do Bad Things with the surviving Children.
Moiraine sends Egwene and Nynaeve go to Tar Valon for training. They run into Aviendha along the way. Training begins and the girls meet Elayne and her brothers. Mat is apprehended trying to steal back the dagger, gets Healed properly. At the tower, Egwene/Nynaeve/Elayne get commanded to hunt Black Ajah, and follow black sisters that go to Falme (like the Tanchico plotline). Mat and Galad join them to keep them safe, I think Gawain stays behind to set up for the eventual tower rebellion. Egwene is captured by Seanchan of course.
Moiraine and Lan go their own way because of the ban on the Oath Rod. They find the reclusive sisters Adeleas and Vandene, study prophecies of Dragon, and Moiraine decides that Rand must go to Tear. Off they go to find him.
Rand wanders and gets caught up in "Selene" shenanigans, Tel'Aran'Rhiod, etc. He attempts to track her to Carhien, gets wrapped up in Daes Daemar, meets Thom there. Moiraine and Lan also find them here and tell Rand to go to Tear. Rand doesn't trust her from madness, but then Selene finally reappears and also tells him to go to Tear, so he agrees without telling Moiraine the real reason why. Lan begins training Rand how to use his sword as a form of discipline, and a way to stay sane. Thom and Moiraine romance begins, hopefully done much better than in the books.
The finale covers both Falme AND Tear. Maybe some setup / cliffhangers in the pre finale episode where they've already begun some of these events.
Battle of Falme: The squad splits to free Egwene and recover the horn, somehow succeed at both. Again, since this is supposed to be like Tanchico plotline as well, they could have a three way fight with Seanchan and black sisters, and they also find the male a'dam and Dark One prison seal along with the Horn. While they are fleeing Seanchan, they run into a force of Children who see Perrin and begin to charge them. Mat blows the Horn, Heroes drive back both the Seanchan and Children. Galad sympathizes with the Children (also sees Perrin go wolf mode and is like THAT'S EVIL), and joins them. Season 3, they split up: Perrin/Faile follow Fain to Two Rivers, but the rest use the Ways with Loial to rejoin Rand when they learn of events in Tear. Elayne gets to meet the new King of Tear, bow chicka wow wow, then peaces out to hunt Black Ajah with Nynaeve.
Stone of Tear: Aiel attack the Stone of Tear, Rand takes Callandor and battles some Forsaken, Selene helps him kill them to keep Rand's trust. Rand also breaks Moiraine's shield with Callandor with advice from Selene. Selene departs after some tension when Moiraine identifies her as Lanfear, plus Rand has a Lews Therin moment and says some shit about Ilyena, but she'll be back in disguise in season 3 when they go into the Waste with the Aiel.
This honestly feels like the best possible route they can take. I'm not 100% sold on having Tear and Falme in the finale, since both will take a lot of build-up, but this feels like a good way to recover the series.
Thom romance won't be included. Moriane and Siuan are an item, they will NOT break that up for Moriane/Thom even if Siuan is killed or otherwise taken off the table.
@@DrakeBarrow Yeah you're right I forgot about how seriously invested the gay director was into his head canon. Wishful thinking. I'm okay with how they're doing Moraine + Siuan, but I was hoping they'd improve the Thom relationship instead of scrapping it...
@@timothypearson9728 Same. :( Thom in the books was an excellent character, the romance bit was the only really out-of-left-field part and didn't have a setup IIRC. Moriane/Siuan is OK, just...*insert Arcane "What Could've Been" here*
I am 99% sure Mat was supposed to blow the horn in S1E8, the way the horn was set up in that episode seemed to be setting it up really well. But then no Mat, so they had to cut that and change the plan.
Set up so well?¿ The Horn of Valere under the floor in Fal Dara? Completely accessible for anyone who decided to make some reforms in the castle? Are you telling me Fal Dara's castle dates from the age of legends? Jesus...
I hope it's better, because I am not afraid to say that 1st season was a mess, overall the world is amazing but it's just seemed too quick. It didn't feel like settled.
Apparently some people loved it, usually non book readers.
Im a book reader and didn't like it that much, but it was ok
@@viewer1431 I'm a book reader and I thought it was better than the books, but then I didn't really like the books much before Brandon took over. It's all subjective. A lot of the problems book readers harp about are more about broken expectations than actual problems.
@@Phoboskomboa no
@@Phoboskomboa Not really, the show does have a lot of internal problems (writing, pacing, editing) even without thinking about the books. Which doesn't mean people can't enjoy it, just that not all readers have the same complaints. My brother read them ages ago and didn't really remember much (wasn't fazed at all by stuff like Perrin having a wife) and was just looking forward to a nice fantasy show. He was meh/ok for the first 4, thinking that it was getting better, and then really disliked the second half. It made him pick up the books again though, which is something he rarely does, not really a rereader.
@@bluelight17 well, I said most. The people acting like the show is a war crime are just engaging in performative outrage, and I'm sick of them. I'm sick of performative outrage in general. The books were okay, but they had MAJOR issues of their own. The show's issues are minor in comparison until you get to the end of the season where the Covid problems start showing up. At that point, I'd say the shows issues are about on par with the books.
If they were going to combine book two and three. One way they could do it is adapt book two completely and only adapt Rand traveling to Tear from book three. We don't get Rand's perspective on the journey meaning they have so much room to tell his journey to tear without worrying about the books much. If they wanted him to still be at falme. That could be when he accidentley activates a portal stone. I'm not sure if this would work, but it would be interesting to see if it could work.
There is entirely too much thought and sense in your predictions. They are rushing things too much, and almost have to since they’re planning 8 short seasons to adapt a 14 (15?) book series. Season 1 showed they can’t do it, and the changes have irreparably damaged the lore. The butterfly effect is real. With what we saw last season, I think we are more likely to see Moiraine has actually been stilled, and Nynaeve heals her of stilling without any training whatsoever. That seems like the kind of changes we will see after the inexplicable changes to basic concepts in season 1
You're dead wrong on your predictions, Daniel. Here's mine: Nynaeve will blow the horn, bully the heroes into facing the dark one right here and now. Then, she'll Angry herself into travelling into the bore, die, Egwene shows up to Sad her back to life, then both of them re-seal the DO back into the bore. And also, Logain is there. Meanwhile, Rand breaks another floor seal that has no consequence to the plot as a whole.
All I can say after watching this is I fucking hope so. I’m not willing to give the show runners the benefit of the doubt until I see them do a better job, though
When Matt takes out the Golem (Tower's of Midnight?) is one of my favorite Matt moments. Awesome headfake on that one!
Very interesting theory and other theories here in the comments are great too! There is so much potential so I am just hoping they can make season 2 really solid because there were things in the first season that they did really well and there were things that just baffled me (like the finale). So I am still excited for the next season and how it will all play out.
My prediction in a nutshell is that it will be just like season 2 of The Witcher; slightly better writing, but only growing more and more divorced from the source material with every episode, so more enjoyable for non-book readers, but less so for long time fans. People are hoping for it to recover, but besides the fact that they started filming before this season was even fully released, the first season set this on a clear course to veer away from the original story drastically, and the finale seemed to be going out of its way to make readers unable to predict the future any more than non-readers. I believe they only stuck to the source material up till now just enough to claim to be an adaptation in the most technical sense of the word, and now they’re going to take this completely in their own direction because they can.
I hope for the better writing part. But not sure ...
Having read the whole series several years ago, I am re-reading thanks to the series. With the whole story in mind, I am seeing the foreshadowing of things to come and understand the significance of things happening at the beginning.
I have read EotW more times than I can remember (20+), and I still find new details on every reread.
With the knowledge of all the foreshadowing in the books it is sad to see how the show have completely ignored all of it.
Agreed; I get what they meant now when they said they are doing the whole series and not a book by book adaption.
Its going to be cliff notes following the main events for the most part.
Also, they are leaning heavily into the unreliable narrator which means that that pay off is going to be delayed till end of season 3 I think, as it'll be hard to know if their being consistent with themselves until that point imo
@@sistercedai9554 Consistent with that?
Certainly not with the One power basics
Not with the Dragon reborn and the Karaethon Cycle (Egwene or Nyaneve could have been... wtf?)
Not with the power balance or power scales: Nyaneve going super saiyan saving several Aes Sedai and using mass heal because yes (completely untrained btw), Egwene curing death and stillness from getting burnt from the one power (bcs of the power of friendship).
Not with the Dagger of Shaddar Logoth power: Loial stabbed with it but he is alive for s2? BS
Not with the internal conflict and character development of the main 3 boys, Rand who? Perrin who? Matt who?
Lews Therrin now is just an idiot and a fool that destroyed the world because he didn't listen to the woman that was the Amyrlin seat... seriously WTF.
And with this MANY other things because i would spend hours listing them all. Beyond pathetic, Rafe Jundkins is a liar and a terrible writter.
I think Egwene is going to blow the horn, destroy the seanchan army with lightning and proclaim herself the dragon reborn. Don’t know why I would possibly think Egwene would get that treatment though….
Lol
I don't think that Mat will have his iconic scene where he fights the two budding swordsmen. They had that exact scene in an animated extra.
You are right, They could easily remove the Flicker but.....man, c'mon. I'm on Book 7 and that is probably still THE most iconic scene in the entire series I have seen thus far. It would be just like this show to remove it. Feh.
Do you think they might combine the events of Tear and Falme into one? Maybe have the Seanchan invade Tear where Callandor is and have that be used in the battle in the sky? Season One ended with Rand all alone, like he is at the beginning of Book 3, so that's a big reason why I'm thinking they'll just have the Seanchan invade Tear as a substitute for Falme and have Rand battle Ba'alzamon with Callandor at Tear. It's a lot to cover but it makes sense condensing wise. They could also have Mat help save Egwene and potentially the others, from the Seanchan like he saved them in Tear in Book 3, which is a big moment for him. Just speculation on my part though.
They had better not! Falme BEING FALME is a central plot point for what, half the series? Until Ebou Dar.
Also, if they keep that design for the Seanchan, I may be morally obligated to hurt somebody.
@@alexeasley5931 the major impact of Falme
Isn’t that it happens AT Falme. I can see how the Events of Falme and Tear could be combined for the show. Otherwise we have Falme happening at the half way point and then Tear at the end of the season? It’s tricky for sure
Honestly, the pacing of book 3 is terrible for television. I could see Falme at episode 6-7 and Tear the rest of the season *if* this were 10 episode seasons… not sure how I would do it if stuck in 8.
I think if I was going to try to predict anything for s2 I would start with assuming that it won't resemble anything in the books and work from there. And even if that is a bit pessimistic, I think assuming it will be more like the books is pure folly.
Mat was about the only consistently good thing in S1
I don't know if Moriane will leave Rand for long since we know that a man can't do anything powerful and that Pike has too much of a stranglehold on screen time. My thoughts are they she travels to the White Tower, is unshielded then travels to Falme to confront Ishmael with Rand and also rescue Elayne, Egwane, and Nynaeve. Rand, of course, will not defeat the Seanchan blade master nor will he defeat Ishmael by himself, but rather Moirane will use the three novices to help her defeat him, because Rafe reasons.
My concern for season 2 is that they are going to mix falme and tear. That they'll move where the seanchan landed and they'll combine the falme landing/battles with the taking of the stone.
The reason I'm worried they might go this route is because rand is on his own right now, much as he was when he started his trek to the stone of tear after facing ba'alzamon in falme.
Replace be'lal with ishamael and u can recreate the epic fight at the end of book 2 within the stone instead.
This would bring out the aiel, the seanchan, a few forsaken (since we would see lanfear manipulating rand while he's alone, rahvin and ishy in dream world, and so on).
They could even do the horn blowing with Mat, tie in the capture of eqwene, nyneave and Elaine by the black ajah mixed with eqwene's capture by the seanchan, and route the seanchan in a big battle while rand and moiraine take care of ishy.
Anyways, that's my concern. That will see book 3 mashed into this season very blatantly. As you said, it's a much simpler narrative, and as such they may decide to combine the traveling to falme with the traveling to tear.
Aka, a massive narrative speed up, cutting a lot of corners and nixing a lot of travel while trying to keep tension high and not miss the big plot points that make the tension possible
@@phantompyro920 yeah. This is my big concern too. WoT is a slow burn and the devil is in the details. Drop the little detailed scenes and what remains is this cliche story that noone will care about and the show will get dropped. We need the "magic", we need the exposition, we need Wheel of Time to stand on its own with its beautiful world, cast, cultures and magic system.
I am afraid the show writers will ax half of what makes WoT great. Merge Falma and Tear and season two is almost inevitibely mediocre from the start as result, becuase you have to ommit almost everything that makes Great Hunt such a powerful book that poeple adore. The characters can still end up in places they are supposed to, however it won't be as believable and well done as it is in the books, where these characters have extensive arcs. Also, we CARE about what happens, because we get to spend a lot of time with them, we learn about the world and we *experience* it. Also, as a result of rushing it, they might need to ax several foreshadowings too.
For example, for a lot of people in the community, flicker flicker flicker is the "climax" of book two, it is THE event that you remember and think about. Everything after it is just tying the threads close. It opens up so many questions for the reader, so many opportunities and is just COOL.
I don't think they'll mash things, I think honestly they could do first half season flame arc and second half tear, or maybe end of season would be portal stones or something
I like how he says “poo poo” right in front of the bathroom sign.
At this point I won't be surprised if Egwene blows the Horn, heals stilling and re-discovers travelling on her own.
Your predictions may not happen, but really that sounds like a good outline. Maybe the writers will watch and take notes cause I like where your head is on this.
You're talking about this in a way that makes it sound like they're going to do one book per season, which would be kinda crazy, so where do you think they start smashing books together?
Season 2, that's my prediction or at least concern....
They gonna smash falme and tear together.
We saw the seanchan attack a coast, and sure it was rocky and sandy, not tropical, but there's no definitive conclusion on where they landed or where they will be expanding to by the time the party makes contact
These predictions mention events from books 2 and 3
Ehhh... They can probably do a lot of book 4 fairly quickly. Rand can go to Rhuidean, visit the ter'angreal, travel with the Aiel to the Golden Bowl, and then fight with Asmodean within a couple of episodes, I think, if you really keep the pace moving.
Later books can kinda just be summarized as "Rand conquers countries," which the show can do quickly too.
They could probably cut out a lot of the Wondergirls stuff
I also think we will get both Falme and Tear in season 2. Rand getting the sword. The rest I HOPE plays out like you said. But I think we will get more Aiel at the end of season 2, as Tigraine was so well received, they'd be dumb not to explore the Aiel, even if it's just a couple of them helping Rand break into the Stone.
My predicition more ignoring the guys and show how amazing the women are.
Great ideas, I hope they nail it with season 2. The show has a lot of potential so I'm looking forward to see how they address season 1's shortcomings.
It has potential IF only rafe and co don't insert useless plots and fillers that won't have impact in the finale.
All this sounds great and well thought out. Like a well-written "fix" to a few of the more glaring issues with season 1. That being said, going off of the quality of season 1, I basically think you've got too much faith in the writers and showrunners. I sincerely hope I'm wrong and that they manage to turn this around and more or less incorporate your predictions... but... I've been hurt before...
So I just finished season 2 yesterday..... WOW you were spot on on so many predictions. I am going to listen to your reviews of each episode. I am currently about 1/3 of the way through book 3 and man I am starting to forget what is book and what is Amazon series.... your videos help so keep pointing out differences for me please. Enjoy your content keep up the good work.
*Does the Dreaming Dance to celebrate being first*
My prediction: this is going to be a spicy video
I think with Matt's storyline, it's a good chance for them to traumatize him with the power. We know in the book he is extremely scared of the power
As far as I remember, Fain is already with the dagger at the end of the 1st season, he stealing it just happened to be off screen.
Yes!!!
After all the changes and cuts from the first season I am dreading seeing all the further deviations from the book storyline. Likely it will be unrecognizable at some point; and certainly poorly and hastily edited.
Great predictions, though I think you may have missed the detail that Padan Fain had the dagger in his hand (more evidence that the showdown in that scene was supposed to be Mat rather than Perrin). Though with the way the writing is going, Mat will be able to be Healed by Siuan without the dagger present.
Yes I knew someone else had to have said this already!!!!
Love all these ideas. Really excited for the first three seasons if they follow the books. Book 4 is where I'll start to get worried. Book 4 is easily my least favorite so far (I'm halfway thru 6). Really hoping they combine 4 and 5 into one season and speed through some of the tedious parts of book 4.
Oh boy, wait till you get till book's 7, 8 and 9.
@@picklecannon looking forward to it honestly. Overall I love the world building and the characters... At times the pacing is just frustrating
Dang, at that point on my first read book 4 was like a precious gem. Maybe because I'm a sucker for the goldeneyes plotline. Glad you're still enjoying the reading!
Wait, book four is awesome and one of my favourite. You sure you're reading the right series? 😁
@@Smunchnuu Perrin and Faile's plotline was my favorite part of the book for sure. I do think once we get to the meat of Rand's journey with the Aiel it was enjoyable too, but I just remember a portion of the book where entire chapters felt like nothing important happened. I even took a break from Wheel of time after book 4, reading something else then coming back to book 5
In an interview Rafe said their plan for middle books (2-13) is 2 books per season, and realistically speaking it's hard to imagine Amazon doing 10-14 seasons so this would be half a season but, I don't think it'll be that straightforward we'll probably see a lot more condensed story and Moiraine will definitely get healed off of gentling.
I really hope we see more Aiel in season 2 ;)
Introducing Gaul and having him be a bigger part of Perrin's story early on makes a lot of sense.
@@Phoboskomboa Especially with how tight their bond is later on
The one thing I’m wondering about is Rand’s sword training with Lan, it was something I was excited to see in live action but I have no idea how it will happen now. I was assuming the majority of it would happen in between seasons since that is what happens between books and Rand is essentially a blade master by the end of book 2, but with Rand not returning to Fal Dara I really have no clue how it will be done
In this warped abomination of a show Lews Therrin Telemon in the Age of Legends went from a leader forced into a desperate Hail Mary play to try to contain the evil of the Dark One after a team of researchers - lead by Llanfear, a woman as it happens - created the Bore into the Dark One's prison in pursuit of power in the books, to a reckless, short sighted moron who needlessly destroyed the world in the name of his own ego after he ignored the express warnings of a woman who is clearly depicted as an inherently wiser, better person than him, forcing women Aes Sedai to pick up the pieces left by the idiocy of male Aes Sedai, meaning that in this version of the tale Moirraine's speech about idiot, arrogant men breaking the world through their own foolishness in the first episode is supposed to be the truth of what happened in the Age of Legends, further denigrating the intelligence and moral character of Lews Therrin and the other male Aes Sedai even before the Taint manifested.
Yep, if it hadn't been for all the other changes I might not have believed they would be that silly & change so much, he was called the Dragon Reborn instead of just the Dragon, he wasn't the leader of the Aes Sedai & there didn't seem to be a war where was a general, they made the woman in the scene the leader instead (Tamyrlin Seat, instead of wearing the Ring of Tamyrlin) & finally that he was directly warned he risked tainting the male half of the source & causing the breaking.
It's like they haven't read the books or understand what a massive change this is & how it undercuts who the Dragon is or how it will necessarily change later interactions, ie if he wasn't the leader then he has no prior claim to the land. There was just no need for any of these changes & they will change make things worse later on as they change more to cover it.
I started the Wheel of Time when you first started the reread series and Im about to be done with a Memory of Light, I'm excited your rereads are coming back and thank you for getting me into such an amazing series!
Oh man, Daniel is being WAY too logical about this. I notice it in the comments too. These aren't predictions of what the show will do, these points are ADVICE for how Rafe can save this train wreck of a show with some grace. Like, what makes you think there's going to be a Falme? Or a Caemlyn? Or a healing of Mat? Or that Rafe will try to follow the books AT ALL? We have been shown almost nothing in the first season that suggests he cares. I don't think he's going to suddenly start getting canonical, I think it will only get worse. Liking the optimism though! You guys are funny!! =D
Here's what I predict: 50% of show time will be devoted to characters and things that didn't even exist in the book, or only to a minimal extent. Know how I know? Because that's what they did in the first season. He'll throw out half the book, replace it with his own stories, and rewrite the rest in a worse way.
Here's more of what we can expect: warders crying over warders killing themselves, because those warders are actually very sensitive souls. Lots of warder suicides and they all cry over their gay lovers meeting this end. There will be at least 3 episodes on it. LOTS of gay warder sex. Mark my words!!
Lmao
I agree with some ideas but not the execution. I think that the Tear problem you bring up needs to be addressed, and they need to end there, with Egwene in Tear as well for book 4 stuff, so there has to be some geographical shuffling regarding the Seanchan, but I think it works.
I mostly agree except with Rand's plot-line. The thing is we (mostly) know we're getting Cairhien to some degree, since they cast Barthanes Damodred. So I think yes Rand encounters the Forksaken and everything but I also think he goes to Cairhien, probably finds Thom there, and engages in some game of houses shenanigans before heading to Falme.
THAT!…. I would love to see. There’s a lot of things they can do Insta season two to redeem season one…. But I doubt it, that is far too optimistic to believe after watching season one
@@nathanprime2434 Honestly for me episodes 1-7 were very very good, like solid A's and B's. Basically all of my problems with season 1 were in just episode 8, and those can be chalked up to COVID-related things. I'm feeling pretty confident they can pick things back up.
Yeah, I think they could have him wander the blight for the first episode, have him speaking with Ishamael and hearing Lews voice and then found by Lan at the end, have him training a bit with Lan in the next episode, to start building up their relationship a little, before joining the hunt with Perrin and (hopefully) Loial, and if that's the case, then I think his meeting with Elayne, Elaida and Morgase could easily happen in Barthanes' party (they're family after all) and his encounter with Lanfear along the way south. The main issue is that Elayne would have to get to Tar Valon in time to meet and befriend Egwene and Nynaeve. Maybe it could be established that they get lured out of the Tower because of their power and become friends then. But I don't think they can have Rand not meeting Elayne until Falme, he is part of the reason she befriends Egwene, and if they meet in Falme then she is meeting with someone she already knows is the Dragon Reborn, not a random farmer (or noble). Similarly, Rand's encounter with Elaida is important to set her up as an antagonist before her coup.
Moiraine can go to Falme if she's cut off from the source. Seanchan may not be able to detect this, so allows Moiraine to play a bigger role in helping Egwene escape as they won't know she can channel?
This show is so trash that I can't predict. I mean they literally messed up everything. And they didn't just make a mess, the show is not even consistent with its own made up lore. The politics of Tar Valon were like 3 year old fan fiction that made no sense, again, it didn't even make sense in the context of the show. So I guess my hope is they cancel it instead.
Its still crazy to me that you think this show is comparable to the Witcher. The Witcher had problems, this show is just terrible on so many different levels.
Amen
They did plenty of things right, they did not "literally mess up everything."
And the show's already renewed through at least season 3, it did incredibly good viewing numbers, and they've put a lot of upfront investment into the sets, so its not being cancelled anytime soon,
Personally I felt like what the show was setting up was a splitting of the cast in order to cover both books 2 and 3 at the same time.
Rand can go to the stone with Mat, since he doesn't need to chase after the dagger anymore. The girls and perrin can go chase the horn and we see the main book 2 go on there.
Then you probably wind up with someone else blowing the horn.
Super excited for the next few seasons and I reckon a lot of these predictions are accurate. I'm reading the series for the first time now and liked book 2 and 3 significantly more than 1.
A few things have happened that have made me a bit baffled by the hostile reactions of some online, like the moment they cut from Rand in the finale was very very VERY obviously so they could do it at the end of season 2 instead (whereas the books have him do effectively the same thing twice). Daniel's been very balanced which is fantastic, but every criticism I see in the comments I take with a huge grain of salt now. I think some people just like acting superior.
So just as a comment from someone who read the first book a really long time ago so I was sort of struggling to remember details -- I knew Mat's abandoning them at the gate wasn't quite right and they had done a lot of rewrites due to the actor leaving. When she sent the alert to the red ajah since I was working without the extensive glossary and details from the book, I interpreted Moiraine's warning that she sent to them very differently than you did.
In your video you say that she was warning that he would be coming back to steal the knife (and the one thing I did remember from the book oddly was that he couldn't be away from it, so I'm not sure if that's just why I didn't interpret it the same way?) -- but essentially before the big reveal of who is the Dragon, they were all asking and debating with one another and they asked Moiraine "What if it was Mat?" and she dismissed his leaving as being a good thing anyway because the prophecy was that the Dragon prophecy was unclear on what side the Dragon would choose (dark v. light) and that Mat not being there was essentially better regardless because at that point he was already dark.
They emphasized also probably more than any of the various colors that the red ajah were the ajah that would still men with power. I took her warning sent off to the reds specifically as "If you find him and IF he's the Dragon, you have to cut off or kill him immediately" as the backup plan in case none of the four that remained were the Dragon. I thought it was just in context a big rewrite with his character leaving to make his leaving make sense, and also to be the big backup plan for the confrontation since for first time watcher's we're not supposed to know who the Dragon Reborn is just yet. (And I guess we're pretty lucky in retrospect that they were able to adapt a story for Mat -- it would've been pretty difficult for the series if a couple of other key actors, especially Rand, had been the one to leave the show). I do think the actor was good, but all in all it's unfortunate, but thankfully it did not ruin the entire series to have that particular character leave. But anyway, that was just how I interpreted this rewrite -- since it was a warning to the red ajah. Because there wasn't really any way they seemed otherwise invovled in the story with Mat and the dagger that would make sense, but it would make sense if you wanted to keep up the appearances that he was still in contention as a potential dark contender for the Dragon.
I’m sorry but the first season failed and I fully expect the second season to be a total shitshow
We have no reason to believe otherwise
I mean moiraine made that big oath on the oath rod to be banished from the tower unless called back and so i don't think she can go all the way back there. Maybe that's how they'll introduce caemlyn instead? Maybe she'll take the rest there so they can travel with Elayne to the tower in "safety"
As you say I don't think the show would give us a "banished" scene only to have Moiraine go back there so soon... Technically if Moiraine was stilled and not shielded she would not be bound by that oath any longer but its also book lore that Aes Sedai do not like being around stilled sisters so Moiraine would not be welcome at the Tower in any case.
For me Caemlyn now would only make sense if Rand was with them and honestly now he is the Dragon and not a farm boy I'm not sure of that either. We could get it as a cold open / flash back scene though. I'm still guessing that Elayne will already be at the Tower when Egwene and Nyneave arrive.
I loved S#1 but no doubt it had its flaws. I just hope that S#2 will stick closer to the books & be more faithful to the spirit of the books than was the case with S#1. I sure would love it if S#2 had more than just 8 episodes. 13 episodes I think would be ideal for S#2 and all future seasons moving forward. Here's hoping that S#2 is better than S#1 in every single way and that Amazon wastes no time in officially greenlighting S#3🤞🤞
Also, I'm really gonna miss Barney Harris as Mat. I thought Barney was fantastic in S#1. I am so not looking forward to Donal Finn taking over as Mat, only ever previously seen Finn in one other role & I thought he sucked. Finn has some huge shoes to fill.
We need to see Lan training Rand with the sword... Rand's sword fighting is really big thing. Rand and Lan relation is important for character development. That can help with Lan's arch, we need to have more of Malkier. I am listening for 3th time WoT and I just start crying every time when Lan's POV is in last 3 books.
Show a male role model in a positive light and a young person needing to work to grow? Not happening. Such things are anathema to the people running this show. 2022 Feminism is what WoT show is all about. Rafe Judkins said so.
I predict it's gonna stink. Crazy theory, I know.
i still think moiraine's shield might be used as a way to get Rand to accept channeling again. going from "tell everyone i'm dead" to "well if it can help you i'll do it" sort of deal
I am just so disappointed in Season 1. For all the talk about the money Amazon was throwing at this show for it to be their "Game of Thrones" the show felt cheap and rushed. It was largely forgettable and underwhelming, and not something I will be returning to, having read the books multiple times and have a daughter named Aviendha.
This is literally a movie version of the wheel of time, with the one barrier of not having the previous actor to help do this, they could easily do some sort of body swap. Stunt double looking like the OG character from weird angles, in a manic sort of shot following matt as some Ter'angreal he stole or the new matt stole forces them into a body swap. Would give a nice interesting reaction when he meets his family again and all sorts of other interesting possibilities. That ter'angreal can have some limits like it takes a while to recharge so it can't be abuse. Not like anyone would want to. >.>
My prediction is that Season 2 will suck even more than Season 1. I know that's a rather harsh and simple perspective, but it's based on how terrible Season 1 was, and the follow up commentary (and commentary leading up to the show) by Rafe Judkins. He's pretty much announced that he's going to ruin the show for book readers, and he seems really excited about this. His comments about killing off major characters from the books that never died is disturbing. I do like your predictions, and I hope they come true. I feel like I'm just gonna sit over here in the corner and lick my wounds a while.
You know that Rafe was joking, no? Mostly because half the book fans are pissing their pants about a show they do not have to watch. I swear, if all the crybabies who hated season 1 come back and hate watch season 2 just to ruin for others I am going roll my eyes so hard.....People should go back to simply not watching stuff they dont like.
@@verenafuchs2870 No, he wasn't joking. He's actually never changed his narrative. I've been following the release of this show from the very beginning; as many people have. Rafe intends on producing an ensemble piece that will indeed see some beloved characters killed off; just as he has made very clear. To complain about a poorly made product that I paid to watch is rather legitimate. Not only have I paid to watch this show, but I also paid for every novel written by Robert Jordan that I own. I also pay the bill for the Internet access through which I watch the show and make these comments. If I was paying for a 300 Mb connection through Xfinity but I was receiving a 10 Mb connection, I would complain. If I went to a restaurant and paid for a steak dinner, but was given a plate of dog food and then told to stop being a cry-baby about it, I would of course lodge a complaint. Heck at that point I might even sue the business who served me dog food. Sure I could change the channel, but why should I? They created a mediocre product, ignored the fan base (which made all of this possible) and have given the finger to everyone and anyone not on board the "woke" train. Good luck with your well thought out responses.
I actually think killing of characters would be a good thing, because many of them have too much plot armor in the books. And yes, he was joking, because some people in this fandom are over dramatic. He might kill off some side characters, but he is not going to kill of the mains who are important to the story. Not sure what I am supposed to reply to the same repetitious nonsense I have been reading since the show aired? So, you hate the show. Don't watch it. Simple as that. You will always have the books, but there is no need to ruin it for others who liked the show. I have read the books and I like it and I don't think you cant tell me that I am objectively wrong in thinking it is a decent show, because at the end of the day taste is highly subjective. I picked the books up in summer hoping for a wonderful discussion about the show and the books but all I see in this fandom are whiny gatekeepers who want to destroy the joy of others because they are so self-righteous they cannot accept that someone might have a different opinion than them. No wonder all fandom suck these days if they are populated by people like you.
"After re-watching the series .." Wow. I guess it's technically your job, but a re-watch of that ... brave man.
Okay, before watching this video, here are MY predictions:
1) Loial isn't actually dead but he will be killed again during season 2, maybe even twice!
2) Mat will come back as a different actor and he will be a very weak character.
3) Nynaeve and Egwene get funky on each others' girl parts.
4) Turns out Rand's not the Dragon, Nyneave, Egwene, Perrin, Mat, Rand, AND Moiraine are ALL the Dragon, because 6 heads are better than 1.
5) Egwene only resurrected Nynaeve because of their lovy hot sexual feels, it has nothing to do with the Power and it will never work with anyone else, those two can keep resurrecting each other ALL NIGHT LONG though.
6) Rand and Perrin and Mat all become Egwene's warders and Egwene will make them do sexual things together, and they will like it, suggesting that all straight guys should try gay stuff and they will like it too.
7) The Sanchaen never make another appearance. Ever again.
8) There's still no Elaine.
9) There will never be an Aviendha.
10) Thom's girlfriend (Mina?) will become a main character and will outclass all the boy characters by being really cool while they are lame, in fact Thom might die so she can take his place.
11) We will learn that men aren't crazy because of a taint on Saidin, they're crazy because they're men. End.
12) There's no Saidin and Saidar, they're the same thing, to say otherwise would be sexist.
13) The Forsaken are actually very nice but the men are, of course, insane.
14) The Dark One is a euphemism for masturbation.
Literally lol
My only red flag 'nah ah' is you thinking S3 will then line up more with the book. The book series is 14 novels and the TV series if allowed will be 6-8? So at some point they need to condense multiple books out of the series or tie them into less seasons. For this I think S2 might include even more future book parts tied back into this season even if Falme is still the end of season climax. And so we wont have any nice neat 1to1 conversions.
I predict season 2 will be the last season.
Don't get my hopes up.
Perfect 🤣 except i think they already signed contracts for even season 3... Fuck me this is going to be horrible
Disappointed there's been no use of or mention of a quarterstaff in S1 as they need it for the iconic Matt scene.
What Moiraine did in book 1 was a patch fix anyway, as was the replay at the end of the book.
MAN!!!!!
i PRAY that it will flow how you predict. That was a fantastic breakdown and I SOOOOO hope that the Wheel of time showrunners check this video.
Please explain how Matis to steal a knife which is currently in Fain's hands, stabbing a few friends while strsling a certain horn?
Then how can Moraine return to the White Tower? She swore an oath NOT to return till called.
Yes and Yes. Though they could do the Mat scene as a cold open flash back to explain how Fain has it. Not sure it works or why the show audience would need to see it... I don't like flash backs to explain things and the show has been using them a lot.
You predict Moiraine will return to the White Tower? there is the issue of the oath sworn on the oathrod. Though there is a loophole in that I suppose, she swore never to return HOME, it didn't specify home as the White Tower. With Aes Sedai, the truth you hear might not be the truth she says. The Devil is in the Details.
And seriously, they way she did that, their friendship (and in this version love for each other) is supposed to be a closely held secret, noone who heard what she said, and the way she said it wouldn't understand exactly what was going on.
I think you're on point. Thanks for the video.
I think a Red Ajah ambush could happen. Creating Mat’s dislike of Aes Sedai. But I think a possibility is that they push forward his visit to the Tower of Genji.. either running from the red sisters or after having been treated by them. Comes out looking different.
Soooo the read along.... uuuhm I might have read 8 WoT books too much since you paused it o.O
I'm still super excited for the next read along videos because book 5 and 6 were 5 star reads for me (So was book 12 but from your tier list video I know that we don't agree on that one. ^^').
Also, I can't believe I'm only one and a half books away from finishing The Wheel of Time. Thinking about this makes me excited but also really sad because it got a place in my heart for helping me through very hard times over the last montgs. I just really want to thank you for creating this channel and giving us this amazing content. Without you I never would have started to read this series and I am so unbelievable thankful for you talking about it on your channel over and over and over again until I finally picked it up and fell in love with it.
Sorry for any mistakes, it's not my first language ^^'
I can’t wait for season to. I hope it was better then the first but why did they kill loial. I hope in the seasons to come as our protagonists get better at channeling, Color’s in the weaves will appear. And the more difficult things to preform will look more like weaves, also how egwene seeing those metals in the ground in book to
Could they maybe bring the two rivers-white-cloak-perrin-plot early for some place for perrin to go? Since they hinted at that in the first white cloak scene where the whitecloaks talk about going this direction since moraine said there were trollocs there? I thought that a convenient hint to show to the audience 'hey, they are already going this direction! And then they mess up the two rivers!'
But it was just a guess. In addition to thinking that they maybe split the 3 boys up earlier than book 3.
Well, Moraine can't go to tower if you remember.
Not an prediction but an heartfelt wish. Season 2 cold opens is Rand wondering only to end up back at Fal Dara or some other Ta'verening getting him back on track with the book original starting point. With him staying to get trained by lan.
I’m excited to see all the cool Seanchan creatures. Gimme that cute creature merch, gimme gimme gimme!