Helen : “Any man who oversteps women's boundaries by coming in to women's spaces has already demonstrated he doesn’t care about women's boundaries. He is exactly the worst sort of man to be in there. “ Great point among many others. Thank you Helen.
@@kellysouter4381 She's Irish. They are a warm, friendly, verbally sophisticated culture. I love Ireland for the wonderful people and beautiful landscape.
I'm not gay but I think one thing that is going to stop this madness is for the LGB to come out, stand up and say that they want nothing to do with the rest b/c they are making a mockery of "sex". Sex not gender. Gender is a thought and a feeling with no basis in fact or science. A person is free to believe what they want to believe but it's wrong to force people to not just believe it as well but to say it. Bill C16 in Canada forces all Canadians to use she/her for men and he/him for women and do it under penalty of jail and/or fines. I don't know why we as people crumble to madness but laws based on madness is insane. We have to draw a line and say "no, I'm not going to accept this "x"" whatever it is. Everyone is afraid to simply state, no I'm not going to agree to something that isn't true and I'm not going to be forced to say things by individuals, Government, Human Rights Commission and and the law. I've lost 2 friends that I've known for over 30 years b/c I refused to believe something that is unverifiable. I feel bad about them walking away from me, that we couldn't agree to disagree about a topic and still be friends but on the other hand, at what expense to both of us. The other thing I know will stop this madness is money. For instance, children who were transitioned as minors, become adults and hate what their own parents did to them. If all the de-transitioners or all the people living as the opposite sex who are desperately unhappy sued the parents and health care practitioners that put them on blockers, put them on cross sex hormones and signed the paperwork for sex-reassignment surgery, sued their parents for what they did to them, this madness would come to a screeching halt and laws would be changed to protect children. Money talks and has done since the dawn of any type of currency.
Same Here. I'm a gay man and don't want to be associated with this alphabet-"community". That's not a real community. The digital world is not the real world
She makes a great point about transgenderism basically being misogynistic. I find that the transgender community has pigeonholed women into a very narrow description as if women wear pink and flip out over a spider! It sets feminism back decades and decades. I resent that.
I was taking a woman’s workshop last summer. My youngest daughter was 9. Every day was a different topic. One day it was LGBTQ and we had a guest speaker. This guest speaker was F to M trans and the owner of a place called out loud. Out loud is a place for kids to hang out and feel safe. Many vulnerable children go there. I thought it was great! Until I met the owner and ask him a question. His answer left me in shock. I had told him that my 9 year old came home from school one day and told me she didn’t know if she was a boy or a girl. I told her that she is à girl but can dress how ever she wants. If you want to dress boyish some days and girlish some days she could do that. I told her that who she is perfect. . So I told this guest speaker what my response to my daughter was and ask if I had answered her correctly in his view. He said that I should have her see a dr and possibly put her on puberty blockers!! What I’m the actual F*ck?! I was flabbergasted and lost all respect for him. And now I fear for all kids who go to him for advice :( by the way, my daughter loves to do girly things. She is very et feminine. If I was a stupid parent I would have followed the advice I was given by someone with an agenda. My daughter would probably still be confused a year later. She’s fine now and all she needed to know what that she was loved and could express herself in her choice of clothes anytime. She sometimes will wear “boyish” clothes but not often.
What you said to your daughter was correct, and simple common sense. The response of this LGBTQRXYZ "expert" was typical of the cult of gender ideology. They are absolutely obsessed with changing kids' sex, almost like it's a fetish -- and for some of them it actually is. (See The WPATH Files.) I believe that in a decade or two "gender affirmative care" will be seen in the same light in which we now see lobotomy.
I have 3 daughters, all in their 40s now, they all liked to dress in both boyish and girly things, but mostly boyish because they found them more comfortable, the oldest ones never got playing with dolls, the other two did but not in a girly way, most of their friends were the same, back then there that they were anything other than girls wouldn't have even been considered. I had a friend that was a male to female transgender, surgery and everything later in life, she was great but never considered herself anything other than transgender, never would she have considered that she had actually changed sex and was a biological female as some do now.
The tide is turning on this doublespeak. An anecdote, I just went into the toilets at an international airport and a man was using them. He was washing his hands, presumably after being in a cubicle, and a group of young women told him to get out, these are women’s toilets. These women were in their early 20s. The kool aid isn’t working.
Did you know that your toilet at home is how public toilets should be created. no men and womans. just a wall 10 toilets in a row with little basins in them. You use the one that is avaliable.
Hooray! Thank God for these real young women. The woke business is misogynistic! They’ve got a massive chip on their shoulders about real women. They are so jealous! They are terribly insecure, they want power. They are projecting their insecurities onto real women, the very people they are aspiring to. They are not interested in healing that insecurity…..just placing a bandaid on the surface. They get a sexual kick out of acting like a woman. It is a fetish. They are so consumed by this fetish that they cannot see any deeper into themselves, to heal their insecurities. They can feel whole, loved, content, complete…. but you have to work on it…like the rest of us! Taking on another persona because you hate yourself is never going to make you happy. If you cannot love yourself how you were made…you have a psychological issue. Which you can heal and be really truly HAPPY.
I've never been one to have heroes, until gender ideology. Now all my heroines are women like Helen Joyce, JKR, Kathleen Stock, Julie Bindel, Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie, Helen Staniland, Posie Parker, so many women who are standing up for our rights. It's invigorating.
Symptoms of heart attack are very different in women as well. Lab values vary between men and women, disease risks vary between men and women, baby girls survive at higher rates than baby boys. Differences are inherent, significant and real.
In college, I took an entire class about women's health outcomes. The whole thing was about the the areas in biology, health and wellness where women were different from men. I can't even imagine what they would be teaching in that class now.
That's hormonal honey.. it's not mystical. There are currently zero cases of a Trans-women ever attacking a Cis-women in a public bathroom ever... They aren't dangerous. Honestly Cis-women on Cis-women violence, way outstrips Trans-folk. You would probably be safer in a room full of Trans-women than anyone else!
people like to say we're obsessed with the topic but i'm like of course, it affects women. of course i care and want to learn everything i can about the subject!
Exactly! I’m actually not sure where I stand on some of this, but I’m deeply bothered by how dissenting voices are silenced. That’s what authoritarianism does.
@@rebeccaco65 I agree with you, especially the last sentence. People worry about 'fascism' but it's no different to 'authoritarianism' (same horse, different colour), and the way society is being pushed by identify politics and group-think (the 'if you're not with us, you're a bigot' attitude) doesn't bode well for the future. Scary times!
@@rebeccaco65if dissenting voices are silenced why do I hear more terfs like this c@nt than I do actual transpeople. How many panels and interviews are out there that never bothered to talk to a trans person. This karen is a braindead moron and if she debated nominalnaomi shed get her ancient ass embarrassed
@@yvonnewalesuk8035dude people say fascist because theres a ton of overlap. The first gender clinic was jewish owned and destroyed by the nazis. Theres a Florida law that anyone can threaten someone they think is trans to either leave the bathroom or be arrested
I’ve heard a million ppl discuss this issue but she’s the most interesting to listen to and explains everything so well, plus she’s so likable. I could listen to her talk all day
This is not a joke and I mean this seriously I would pay for it I want her to read the whole Harry Potter series to me, I will also agree that that is weird😊
I cannot imagine being a woman who has been sexually violated and then going somewhere to recover and men dressed as women are there. It would be beyond horrible. And it's absolute misogyny and emotional abuse.
Well most normal people don't see biological men who have transitioned to become women as a man dressed as a woman. most of us are pretty normal and are fine with people doing what works for them. As a sexual assault survivor, anyone who wants to dispose of their masculinity is AOK with me. imagine not empathizing with someone who has gone through sexual trauma
@@lampb0obssomeone who “disposes of their masculinity” is very puzzling and slightly scary to me. And oddly quite an aggressively testosterone-led thing to demand to be let into women’s spaces.
@@lampb0obs Actually "most normal people" know exactly that a transwoman is a male! You can't BE a transwoman if you are not male! What most people do not realise hwever is that most transwomen (about 95% of them) retain their penis and have no intention of removing it. A costume does not make you a female. Asserting you are one, does not make you a female. You're nothing like a female. Humans clock in an instant of glancing at an approaching person whether they are male or female. We need to be able to do that for our survival. Most of the time we get it right, and occassionally someone is able to disguise them self enough to confuse some people, but that just makes for a convincing costume. You're still the same sex you always were. Women have the right to single sex spaces under law and if you need rape crisis shelters, then campaign for some to be set up to cater to you. Insisting on barging into traumatised womens spaces and forcing those women to keep quiet and accept your presence under threat of expulsion from a crucial shelter program is purely abusive behaviour- behaviour they have probably been subjected to many times throughout their life. Women do not exist to affirm you.
“Any man who oversteps women's boundaries by coming in to women's spaces has already demonstrated he doesn’t care about women's boundaries. He is exactly the worst sort of man to be in there. “ Very true. I am really disgruntled by the rise of misogyny. These people have mothers, respect women.
Okay, hi, I'm a trans girl and you're right, I have a Mom, I also have an older sister, and most of my friends are girls. Could you tell me in what instance do you think I might be disrespectful to any of them? And how come I haven't heard any such thing from them? I'd assume I'm not disrespecting anybody
There are legit people with actual gender dysphoria, it's a very very very rare condition. Most of the trans folk nowadays are following a trend, also pedos, pervs and rapist are hiding as trans. Hence why female only spaces should remain as such. IF you are legit, it sux for you, sadly there is no way to tell who is legit and who is not.@@VixenArt3
There are trans folk that are legit. Actual gender dysphoria is a real condition, but it's very very very rare. Many modern trans people are simply following a trend. Also Seggs pr3dat0rs are hiding as trans. Hence why female only spaces should remain as such. IF you are legit, sux for you, sadly there is not way to tell who is legit and who is not.@@VixenArt3
There are trans folk that are legit. Actual gender dysphoria is a real condition, but it's very very very rare. Many modern trans people are simply following a trend. Also not good people are hiding as trans. Hence why female only spaces should remain as such. IF you are legit, not cool for you, sadly there is not way to tell who is legit and who is not.@@VixenArt3
There are trans folk that are legit. Actual gender dysphoria is a real condition, but it's very very very very rare. Also not good people are hiding as trans. IF you are legit, not cool for you, sadly there is not way to tell who is legit and who is not.@@VixenArt3
1) Woman isn't a social construct (aka role) that you can choose. The social constructs are the individual stereotypes (Clothing, hairstyle, personality etc). We each choose a unique set of stereotypes, not "man" or "woman". 2) You can't "identify as" a member of the "woman" group because membership is based on biology. 3) The concept of being in the "wrong body" is illogical. To confirm that you're in the "wrong body" then you must have previous experience of a different body in order to verify that you don't feel uncomfortable in every body. But you can't even change bodies.
Yes! How does a man who's lived & experienced the world only as a male have any idea what it is like to "feel like a woman"? They have zero idea. They put on their woman costume and declare, "I'm a real woman!" How on earth do they know how it feels to be a woman/ female? No more than I know what it feels like to be a man. Ludicrous.
Oh, that is an excellent thought on being in the wrong body. Very well put! Perhaps the people who feel they are in the wrong body should consider it's not the body that is wrong, but the mindset.
Good points. I’ve always wanted to respond to the claim that somebody “identifies” as a woman by asking how they can possibly know what being a woman feels like if they aren’t one?
On point 3, the other thing is that we _are_ our bodies. Unless you want to get into religious conceptions of the soul, everything that makes you, you is in your brain. Our brains are shaped by our sex, in the same way every organ is, to varying degrees.
It is femininity which is the social construct, built on the misogynistic ideal of females and masculinity, built on homophobia and a fear of weakness. It is these social constructs which Trans people impersonate
It’s like saying that humans only have 64 chromosomes. If someone has more or less than 64…. But we don’t say that because it’s acceptable that anomalies occur. It is gross that people will use a genetic, medical condition to validate their need to be special and unique.
As a guy I learned about exactly how women & especially lesbians were being crushed by this awful ideology from the late, great and sadly missed Magdalen Berns here on CZcams (her channel is still up even though we lost her to a brain tumour. It's well worth your time to go find her) and Helen Joyce is carrying on her good work. Helen includes the damage being done to young, gay men as well as women & deserves all the support & help we can offer. I have absolutely nothing except sympathy for the tiny fraction of the trans community that really are gender dysphoric. It must be hell on earth to suffer from such a delusion. Maybe surgery can help, I don't know. But it must be treated as a dangerous, riddled with problems & poor outcomes last resort. Not an immediate response to tomboy girls & effeminate boys. You've time to go see how Magdalen Berns (channel name is her name) approached this in it's early days before we all cone together to listen to Helen this evening. See you here later 💜☮️
It's not "an immediate response" is it though. This is a nationwide bullying campaign (we're known as terf island lol...) and I have no idea why Andrew is so obsessed with it
@rgghjs9270 The 'bullying campaign' is being led by the trans lobby and supported by their dim-witted minions. Western governments, state bodies and most major institutions have been manipulated into forcing an incoherent, non-sensical ideology on Western populations who did not vote for it and do not consent to its consequences. They seek to undermine our intuition, deny reality by debauching language so that it no longer reflects reality and intimidate us all into playing along by prosecuting and smearing the few who are brave enough to object. We're ostensibly living through the plot for a distopian novel. The pertinent question is why aren't you obsessed by it too?
@@rgghjs9270it has been the immediate response for a while now p since activists took the wheel. Before that even mermaids showed the data that revealed that majority of these kids would grow up and out of it to be gay men (look through the archives on their website) the TAvi had actual drs in charge that blew the whistle when they started noticing that many of the kids were struggling with internalised homophobia, and /or were on the autistic spec. Lisa Littman found that all of a sudden a huge uptick in teen girls were identifying as trans together in friendship groups when it had always been a historically male problem - but they went after her. Didn’t stop someone taking that research and expanding on it and finding what we kinda knew - it is a social contagion especially in girls - but now that research is being suppressed.
Tomboy girls and effeminate boys were never a problem for gays and lesbians, only for conservatives and mainstream society in general. The same people are now attacking trans people, just like you calling them ‘delusional’. Of course you have to be careful with treatments, diagnosis and so on, but we don’t need judgmental people like you belittling the individuals with gender dysphpria nor do the tomboys or fem men need your disingenuous support. Support only in the name of the crusade against another minority.
If you have daughters, maybe not support someone spreading transphobia like this. Because it's bound to hit cis-women. It has done so. And recently, the example was made even clearer: the Olympic Games.
Aroubnd 54 minute point speaking of support groups for abused women. The city council where I live was pushed to remove funding for a support group for women who had been sexually abused because they refused to admit men who identified as women. There very sane reason was because women were too distressed to have them there. Rather than fight to get funding for their own support group they went to council, had on of the council memebers support them and fight to have all funding removed. And they won....came out smiling in celebration. It was disgusting and distressing and when I called it out on FB one of the people who supported it who I knew replied that they could not believe that "I" a person who teaches yoga could dare support that. As if I should know better without even acknowleding that they had just crushed the rights of women. Idiocy. I did not back down and will not feed this growing monster.
I have an honest question for you: if a support group for violent robbery victims asked you not allow black people in because some of the victims were robbed by black men would you think was ok? I know it’s not an equivalent but it’s an analogy. I’m not sure how having a trans woman in the group would actually harm anyone. I say this as a female sexual assault victim. I think having funding removed from a support group is messed up, but I also don’t think it makes sense to keep trans women out, seeing as trans women are often victimized.
@@EffSharp When you picture in your mind’s eye the transwomen you wouldn’t mind using the support group, I assume you’re thinking of slightly built, effeminate men like Dylan Mulvaney, gently sobbing into their silk handkerchiefs, and not those people who have sexual offences against women, like Isla Bryson? Because if you open the door for Dylan, the Islas of this world will stride right in.
@@rgghjs9270it represents a cult of delusion and social contagion, more so now than ever. It is rather similar to a religion - a belief in the fantastic idea that gender is fluid, and biological sex matters not - a delusion indeed. It is not epistemically humble to equate rare cases of transgenderism from past ages with the extant trend and its fervent ideologues and activists who prey on children to validate their Narcissistic desires.
It is a religion. It implies we all have a gender 'soul' and is just as deeply regressive, homophobic and sexist as all the abrahamic ones. No wonder neckbeards and homophobes love it@@rgghjs9270
I'm really glad they brought up the issue of "spicy straights" and how gender ideology has played a huge role in it. Frankly, being gay myself, I would absolutely love to have my sexuality viewed as "boring" which usually just means normal or nondescript. I want my character, my personality, and my accomplishments to be at the forefront of who I am as a person, not something as insignificant as my sexuality (which has all the same importance on my beings as my hair color or which hand I use to write with). Originally, the whole mission statement of gay rights was for us to be viewed as basically no different from heterosexuals except in the realm of attraction. However, this has been completely demolished by "queer theory" which essentially wants to paint us as almost another species from straight people. Our groups, spaces, forums, etc. have now also become inundated with bored straight people with dyed hair who call themselves "non-binary" or just the vague term of "queer" who, for whatever reason, now have more of a voice than actual homosexuals. All of this has completely undermined our original goal and has also set us back in terms of progress. Sadly, a lot of gays, lesbians, and bisexuals have helped foster this current environment as well, happily taking part in their own destruction.
I miss that brief window when so and so being gay was just an "oh, okay." Now we're back to the "can tell from a mile away (like it's the default)" or "you sure, they don't look gay." Plus, the worse bs of all is gayness being tied to sexual promiscuity or deviance. The religious psychos in my country are loving the current movement because they're giving them all the "proof" they need.
I think most people, regardless of their sexual persuasions agree with you. It is always a minority who tend to shout very very loudly about stuff that create these issues. It is not entirely the fault of the young generation, they have been indoctrinated from an early age into a cult. They are on the inside and can't see it for what it is.
@@B3Band Identifying as gay and recognizing that the word applies to you are two different things, and that's the thing trans activists rarely understand. I don't identify as anything in particular, certain words just accurately describe certain aspects of me, and so it makes sense for me to use these words to talk about myself.
You know who else wants all people to be seen as normal? Gender abolitionists. You know why we had to have all the lgbt categories? Because these are people that have been discriminated against irl and needed to band together to fight for equal rights. Straight people coming in and muddying the waters is a straight problem, trans people cant control them, we just want the same rights as everyone else and to be seen as normal.
My sister wouldn't play with dolls as a child, she preferred to play with our brother's toys and to hang out with the boys. She was a proper 'tom boy', hated wearing dresses and always wore trousers. Some days, she would inform us that she was a boy and her name was 'Jimmy.' On those days, at home, we humoured her and called her Jimmy. That phase of her life ended when she was about 16 years old and she started to change into this really 'girly' girl. My sister thanks her lucky stars for our parents (who were very relaxed about her 'tom boy' years) and that no teacher at school, 'counselled' her that she was a 'boy' in a 'girl's' body and she needed to 'transition'.
i also wouldn't play with dolls as a child. i was more interested in computers and video games. that phase of my life ended in my 20's when i came out as trans and transitioned into this really 'girly' girl. i guess i was just a tomboy too! ❤️
@@openSUSE5 Not at all. If you were born a biological male, then your experience is nothing like my sister's experience. She began life as a biological female, and is still a biological female (girl to woman). You can perceive yourself as "trans" or whatever you like. The fact remains that you're a biological male (boy to man).
I'm 73 and remember that being such a societal debacle. To me it was just weird, but so are a lot of other things. Hopefully, this too shall pass before too many young people ruin their lives over someone's phase they misguidely followed. @@toothlesstheruthless
@@smaakjekswhat is shocking is that trans is always expressed as trans man or trans woman, never as trans pan, trans zher, or trans anything of the alleged 749 genders. Also when anyone wants gender reassignment surgery, it's always either man to woman, or woman to man. Never is gender reassignment surgery to one of the 749 other genders, it's almost as if they don't exist, that there apparently are only two gender options available for gender reassignment surgery. Strange don't you think how closely gender and sex line up to the exclusion of anything else?
@@SusanaXpeace2u No please I don’t mean it that way, it’s only to say that I know my facts and so they can’t call me a brainwashed fascist ;) I’m so sorry and apologize if I came across as a pompous jerk 🙏🏻
Sadly, those most captured by postmodern, intersectional, critical race and social justice, and queer theory are the supposed intelligentsia - you are both on point really imho. This is common sense, however, masquerading as moral virtue - this ideology appeals to elitist narcissistic trait groups.
Glad you clarified your statement, as I had the same initial reaction to your post as SusanaXpeace2u. Anyone with an ounce of common sense can see that the transgender ideology is pure lunacy…and I know plenty of people with PhD’s who couldn’t find their butts with both hands.
Many men stand with you against this lunacy as it's bad for women as well as society as a whole. Alongside those women, people like Graham Linehan have fought the cause
No matter how one identifies, when you need anesthesia for any procedure (say heart bipass or colonoscopy) the docs need to know your actual, birth sex bc anesthesia doses will be adjusted accordingly. If you lie, as a natural born male, you’ll wake up mid surgery and as a woman, you’ll die. Physiological differences are baked in and a person will be outed during these procedures no matter how well they pass otherwise.
@@matthewcaldwell8100 Yes they do because trans women insist on competing in women's sports. Bone density and lung capacity don't change with hormone replacement therapy. I'm not even sure if they transitioned as a child that it would be different. Sadly we won't know for another 30 years the effects of puberty blockers when it will be too late to recover for these poor kids.
she's good and I love how she decribes gender ideology as a religion. we don't have to believe. one woman that is great on that subject is annie eve collin , she's taking it from a rationalist , philosophy of science angle. I love her
On the contrary, calling an advanced understanding of gender a religion is as ignorant and deprecating as describing the abolitionist movement as a religion.
@@vulc1people say they exist, insist they exist, and have infiltrated policymaking to enforce compliance. If what you asserted was correct, there would be no need for this at all. The delusion of gender as opposed to personality and proclivity, and the sophistry, pseudoscience, virtue-signalling, and gaslighting of transactivism exposes the fallibility and fragility of the entire movement. Sex in immutable objective fact. Gender is a wishy washy bullshit idea. Beware the constructionism of the deconstructionist mind lol.
"advanced understanding of gender" yeah about as useful as a theology degree, except the religion is as deeply regressive and sexist as evangelicals@@vulc1
The rare non-XX/XY person is the exception that proves the rule. We need to have a common language and understanding of that language. A man is an adult male human. A woman is an adult female human. A male is that of a species which produces a sperm gamete and a female is that of a species which produces an ova gamete. These are basic definitions. People who think otherwise are not entitled to their own self-serving definitions. A woman can feel like a man, but not really have the feelings of a man, just her opinion on what a male feels like. Same goes for the opposite for men who feel like a woman. People can alter physical aspects of themselves, including internal aspects such as hormones, but they are still actually, very much as they were born. Sex cannot be changed. It's fundamental science. Just because some people want it to be otherwise, doesn't make it the case. That said, I think those that want to live their lives as whatever they want to be, then more power to them. But they can't alter science or logic or common language to fit their personal narratives.
So it is in your last paragraph where the problem begins... If you say that they should be able to live their life as they want to live it. Great, wonderful and concept. That sounds wonderful, but in reality. What they want is to enter women's spaces, not being biological women. Therefore, no, they cannot live. However, they want to live because living how they want to live imposes on biological women.
It's actually generally not people who are non-XY/non-XX who are are the exception. People who are XXY or XYY are both male (the conditions are known as Klinefelters and Jacob's Syndrome respectively). Both can have a range of effects (e.g. learning disabilities, being taller than average, infertility...etc), but their sex is generally completely unambiguous. People who just have a single X chromosome are females (it's called Turner's Syndrome), and are also unambiguously female. Basically, if you have at least one Y chromosome, it doesn't matter what other sex chromosomes you have, you are almost certainly going to develop male and be born with male genitalia. The conditions that cause genuine ambiguity are usually are the ones which effect specific genes, typically those which interact with sex hormones during development. Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome is one, another is 5-ARD (the condition Caster Semenya has).
The older you get, the more you realize that sex is baked through to every cell, as she put it. As you age, you learn that women are more susceptible to certain age related diseases, for example. Of course, there is also prostate cancer, etc. that men have to be aware of.
If you do a bit more research, you'll find out that what's "baked" into the cell is an adaptation to the level of sex hormones in the body. That's why the body changes if you go on HRT, because the cells are pluripotent. They're happy to exhibit male or female tendencies, based on the instructions provided by hormone levels.
Yes. And imagine my horror and disgust when recently I discovered a breast cancer charity was changing their language to support 'chest' cancer. The number of men having breast cancer is less than 2%. A woman will never develop prostate cancer. So, they're even trying to hijack predominantly female illness. The mind boggles.
@@TheMensRea So? Do you feel less represented now? Don't you think the men suffering chest-cancer now feel less stigmatized or afraid to talk about something that not so long a go was thought to only hit women (trans or cis)? (I will add that in the Dutch language there is no difference between the word to refer to a breast with and your chest, so that adds to it, but I fail to see how you feel women are less included that way...)
Well guess what, this is the USA and you didn't get to tell anyone how they can dress, who they can love or how they identify its called freedom and it's not just for you.
It absolutely boggles my mind that people who love to shout against me that I'm shoving it down their throats still think they are not doing the EXACT thing when saying "we don't have to go along with your delusion." Helen Joyce is a bigot, a transphobic bigot.
I wish she'd say that sex is determined at fertilisation though! The word conception, in use from the 1300s, simply means " to get pregnant" when they honestly knew nothing about mammalian eggs and thought semen was seeds which grew in the fertile field of the womb. So sex in mammals and birds is determined when sperm joins egg, up by the ovary, which is 4-5 days before implantation into the uterus lining which is the start of pregnancy. About 50% of fertilised ova dont implant and are lost, possibly more male ones as they are genetically weaker.
@@alisonwren3624 I don't know about genetically weaker perhaps a different gender inside the potential mother's body results in an immune response in some women that reject a male embryo and so never grows. Many women can't conceive boys, some can't conceive girls, and some can't conceive at all which is no one's fault, just the genetic problem of coding millions of instructions, errors are produced, some beneficial, some not
@@tonybrimmicombe5454 Not really its to do with the XY rather than XX. There are 100s of sex-linked conditions like haemophilia which only boys get, others less lethal like colour blindness, all because the Y chromosome is very tiny so doesnt pair up completely with the X at meiosis (type of cell division that makes gametes which have half the usual number of chromosomes than all other body cells) studies have shown that looking at natural miscarriages there are more males than females. Please can we not use gender as a synonym for sex. Sex is biological, encoded in every cell in birds and mammals nothing to do with the stereotypical behaviours expected of male and female humans. And in every mammal species the females naturally live longer than the males. In birds its the opposite because it is the female that has the one big and one small chromosome, the male has two identical ones like female mammals. So male birds tend to live longer than females.
When they spoke of open sex acts in pride parades and said that this is allowed under the veil of the rainbow flag and that straight men could never get away with this it really speaks volumes about the madness that is happening. It’s a violation and should not be allowed.
My daughters grew up in a very liberal city. The Pride Parade was as equally lib & same vibe as all the other community events - Art Walks, Shows, Fairs, Parades, Processions, etc. Individuals and organizations representing a multitude of interests/concerns --- art, food, dance, the environment, self help, etc. Pride was as respectful as all the rest. Nothing inappropriate.
Gender ideology has damaged so many people. All these people need to understand is that they’re conflating their gender with PERSONALITY. Express yourself however you want. Wear whatever you want. That doesn’t have anything to do with your actual gender. You’re just expressing your personality with style, makeup, feminine or masculine characteristics, etc. That doesn’t need to change your gender. Just be a male or female that expresses yourself in whatever way you are expressing yourself.
This rampant transphobia and utter ignorance has damaged so many people. All those transphobic people need to understand the difference between sex and gender. We talk about gender roles not sex roles, and how gender roles are subject to change. Gender itself is not static either ,and definitely gender is not binary.
@@vulc1gender is a meaningless term by its very implications. There are two sexes, and myriad ways to express oneself as an individual. End of story. Queer Theory sophistry is an invention - a deconstructionist social construct - narcissism 101.
@@vulc1Gender and sex were synonyms until fifteen minutes ago, when religious zealots decided to load the terms with aesthetic baggage. You're talking about gender as if it's a "true spirit" inhabiting the corpus of a person. You trans fundamentalists don't even realize you've gone full circle around the snake eating its own tail to the point where you're just talking about the "soul" and asserting religiously that YOURS is the CORRECT way to conceptualize the soul, and then contemplating jihad when people disagree.
It's almost like Godwin. The minute you mention a phobia, you've betrayed your ideological capture and inability to think for yourself. Trans is a political stance.
She isn't wrong. I've never met a girl that I was sure she could crush my hands with hers, but I know that I could never squeeze any womans' hand with 1/2 my strength. It would probably break multiple bones in her hands. And I'm not even "strong". Women's hands in a man's even feel very fragile. Most men could absolutely significantly harm most women if they squeezed her hand with half the available power in their hands.
@@ronhoward121a woman would have to put a lot of work in to be that strong. The strongest woman in the world would be stronger than most people but the strongest man in the world is stronger than everyone.
@@ronhoward121so a few women train hard enough and manage to lift 700 lbs you equate that to all women are capable of doing so. It’s not societal, it’s biology.
@@renbakes5083 Did I equate it to that? Testosterone plays a major role; but there are women with more testosterone than some men. I only asked if it were "at all societal". It is. Men are encouraged to lift, women are frequently discouraged from doing so. I don't deny a biological component, but how much is societal? As reference, women are fairly competitive against men in wrestling due to weight classes.
@@ronhoward121 you said, “because women can lift 700 lbs”. That sounds like you are referring to women in general. If it’s not what you meant, I apologize, but it’s how it came across.
She repeatedly claims you cannot change sex. No transgender people claim this. She doesn't know the first, most basic thing about this stuff - it's in the name; transGENDER
Please don't judge all men, by the standards of cross-dressers who mutilate their own genitals, and who insist they're entitled to access women's bathrooms, because they swear they're more "vulnerable" than 6yo girls, or 80yo grandma's. 99% of men would rather drive a red hot poker through their eyeball, than do ANY of the above. (Same as we don't judge ALL women, by those who affirm and embrace and defend these guys. Or by the women who think that facial piercings and a bad haircut make them "non-binary," and "neither male OR female"..)
lol this is soo sad but so true. They actually prove the point that they are in fact male by saying that. I heard one conversation where a transwoman was saying that makeup is part of being a woman. And I was just thinking, “So, I’m not a woman, after all because I don’t where makeup, even though I have three children that I have carried and birthed.”
Talking to transwoman about the centre of their delusion doesn't really say much about men. Them being fixated on the things they can mimic and find most compelling and ignoring both internal biology and the character traits that women tend to have is sort of inevitable.
She is the greatest. There is no better person to elucidate the many, many issues with this nonsensical neo-religion than Helen Joyce. She will destroy all comers.
lol she repeatedly states you can't change sex. That's not what transgender people are claiming. No one is claiming that except clueless transphobes...
Have any of you seen Robert Sapolsky - Brain Gender? It's a video on here. You might realise Helen doesn't actually know very much if you give him a chance. He's a famous neurologist btw, really knows his stuff
I never thought I'd see the day when simply standing up for biological science - while defending material reality itself - made one both an absolute pariah within mainstream liberal Western society - and at the same time a heroine to those of us still rooted in the physical world - as opposed to being lost in our own narcissistic fantasies.
I love Helen! Gender ideology is a religion, and if the proponents of it would treat it like that we wouldn’t have any issues. Imagine if Catholics went around in public saying “Peace be with you” and then demanded everyone, regardless of their faith, say “and also with your spirit” back to them. If someone didn’t say this back, they would scream “bigot!”and try to ruin your reputation saying your a Catholicphobe. It’s like no, I’m not a bigot, I don’t hate you and I’m not afraid of you, I just don’t believe what you believe. Gender religion says “Trans women are women” and you are expected to respond with “Yes they are” or you’re a heretic. You can believe whatever you want, but forcing me to go along with it IS where the problem happens. Religions have a long history of hurting and abusing children, attempting to convert gay people, living in ways people outside of the religion don’t understand, and this religion is no different.
Great guest, Dr. Joyce is brilliant. What worries me the most about this issue is that we are massively ignoring real problems that adolescents are bearing in the first part of this century. That is, they are inundated by non-stop data and social media, and they don't have an opportunity to grow into thoughtful, analytical people. Instead, they look for rapid, popular solutions to normal adolescent confusion and growth--and navigating those phases requires time and patience. That is sad. They need real attention, not force-fed misinformation and irreversible, medical butchering.
They do not have to look. Children are very literally targetted in online gaming and social platforms by adult gender activists and groomers , in popular media and now by schools who have activist teachers and bring in lgbtqia+ and other ngo to facilitate their sex ed programs.
The most encouraging thing to me is that more and more women realise that transgenderism is the opposite of feminism and threatens women's rights and things they fought hard for to attain.
I agree but I would avoid making it overly a gender issue (although I appreciate it probably harms women disproportionately). We need, as a society as a whole, resist this together
As a gay man, I agree with everything Helen said here. Thank you for expressing again very eloquently what so many of us know to be true, just like you did on Richard Dawkins' interview... A much needed voice of reason in these times.
@@elgatofelix8917 Nope. Being gay has nothing to do with being trans AT ALL (even Helen Joyce who you're watching here has a gay son). Good try though.
I'm one of those gay people she was talking about who aren't interested in transforming society or breaking down social norms, and I happen to think we live in a very good society that needs to be preserved. So I'm very upset about the Queer movement and just the whole far-left ideology in general, and I feel hopeless because I have no idea what to do about it or how to stop it. It's all very depressing.
Hang in there kingclover, the worm has turned, the tide is ebbing and, like catkins herald a new season, the signs show this movement is nearing its end. Spring is coming.
I'm with you, mate. Suggestion: join the LGB Alliance! I am setting up the French arm of the organisation. Find it online, join us, and let's get a divorce from alphabet soup people.
Right there with you, daughter raised by a single mom in the 70’s, mother to a lesbian, I feel like I have defend thé réal women of the 70’s who broke the glass ceiling and my lesbian daughter who was able to grow up in a world that accepted her now being told she has to accept male genitalia as lady dick ….seriously…..meanwhile millions of women are still being treated as less than men in countries that have no womens rights 😢
The whole 'social construct' bit is such a sleight of hand. Sure, gender roles are socially constructed, the idea that men and women dress certain ways, choose certain lifestyles, etc. But if that is what they mean by 'gender' then 'trans people' are not trans-gender, they are trans-sexual. You can change your 'gender' in a social sense just by choosing to change your style, choose different jobs, play with different toys. Nothing of that requires a change in pronoun or surgery. A pronoun is a shortcut to refer to someone by their sexual characteristics, not by their 'identity'. If you have to correct someone's pronoun use, then pronouns no longer function linguistically. The whole point is 'I don't know your name possibly, or don't want to be so formal as to use it, but I can look at your sexual characteristics and refer to you as 'he' or 'her'. If I have to ask you first, or be 'corrected' on it, it's no longer a linguistic shortcut, it's now a landmine. And surgery has nothing to do with 'social constructs'... surgery is an attempt to change biology, and so is all about sex not gender (if we use the woke definition of gender).
@badunladun4203 Never had that problem, because I've never tried to claim that my sex doesn't match my biology. Pronouns only stop functioning correctly when you claim to be something that you are not. The things that are a 'social construct' can be changed without inventing pronouns. A man can become a primary caregiver for his children and his wife can pursue her career, which changes both of their societal gender roles, and nether have to change their pronouns or go get surgery.
@@taigenraine how can you agree gender is a spectrum(as you say about men taking care of children or whatever) and also completely deny biological males or females could perhaps fall on the completely opposite part of the spectrum and wish to live that life??
@badunladun4203 Sex is a binary, not a spectrum. Denying one's own biology is not an identity or a lifestyle. It is a delusion that causes deep trauma and confusion. The suicide rates prove that, as they are abnormally high even with surgery and hormone and affirmation. I do think that there are a rare few people who suffer from such a condition, and if their Healthcare professional after exhausting all other solutions believes transitioning as an adult is the best course of action, that is fine. But the cultural push by the lgbtqia organization to encourage children to experiment with trans ideation has made way more then just a few question their biology, and we are seeing a terrifying rise in suicide rates as a result.
@@badunladun4203 Except no one would do that, unless they’re someone trying to make the same “point” you are. Someone could say the sky is green when it’s actually blue to make a point, but no one wouldn’t normally say that otherwise.
I never tire of hearing Helen Joyce speak on this issue, as she is such a rational, logical voice and we need more people like her to speak out. Thank you Helen Joyce and thank you Andrew Gold for this very interesting discussion.
Love Helen Joyce. She's smart, down to earth, and knows her stuff. I hugely, HUGELY appreciate her having researched all of this so that, when I talk to my fellow gay/bi folks, and well-meaning straight folks, I have my ducks in a row. I understand the arguments and I can articulate why all of this is absurd. Thank you both for a funny and entertaining conversation.
Brilliant sane discussion. Really needed to hear a rational common sense discussion. I’ve been around a lot of abuse for most of my life and find it traumatic living in a world that’s constantly gaslighting everyone. It makes you want to stay away from people and isolate. So listening to a good truthful discussion was a relief.
Great interview ! Helen Joyce has helped me to clarify my thoughts and beliefs regarding this topical and controversial subject. So a big thank you to you both.
Reductio ad absurdem is WHERE WE ARE NOW. There are laws in California, Scotland, Canada, and some other countries that are as extreme and absurd as it can possibly get and there are still serious people seriously refusing to acknowledge how insane it is.
The unfortunate part is that Gen X, Boomer, and whats left of the Silent age dont quite understand that mainstream media cant be trusted anymore. Theyre used to consuming mainstream media out of long time habit, and dont understand MM has been bought by the libs of those countries. Theyre getting a constant "all of them vs me" perspective , and so this message is jammed down their throat that they must be the problem then, not logic and gut instinct.
So glad I’m not a teenager trying to figure who the hell I am in this day, I’d have almost certainly been offered “gender care” instead of my actual Dx of autism adhd. Thankfully my teens are not suffering from GD but I really feel for the confused and worried parents who Are going through this with their kids
My best friend of 35 yrs has a son who has decided to identify as non-binary and I was told I had to refer to him as they, and when I said, I didn't agree to do that and would absolutely forget to because he looks like a male, although I sympathise with the struggle he was going through - I was verbally attacked in the most horrific way. She was normally a sensible person. In the end after trying to send me info for me to 'educate' myself on such matters - I held firm and she then ended our friendship. She lives in the USA and I have to say it's far worse over there than here in the UK. But then Americans are scared to say the word Christmas in case it offends someone. Yet in the UK we have all religions and nobody is offended by any religious festival.
@@sarahwhyld5596 First off, I can guarantee the vaste swathe of American culture has no issue with Christmas. They may have more people than we do saying others have an issue because they have more e.gs of our silly 'winterval' 'controversy' that wasn't and isn't a controversy at all. I'd say, that if you and the other family disagree on this issue, there are many other issues you would disagree on and perhaps aren't as connected as you both thought you were. It is a good thing you separated friendship. You both can find 'better' friends. It's perhaps unfortunate you both don't see eye to eye. But it isn't necessarily a bad thing. You both don't see yourself as 'wrong'. This happens in life, unfortunately.
I'm old, so hopefully I won't have to deal with this forever. I'm a 60's kid and for some reason we knew if you were a man or a woman, male or female. Now society has decided it is up for grabs depending on the day. I don't need to go to college to say male and female
You're doing truly excellent work with these interviews, Andrew. Hearing such sane and eloquent discussions is extremely reassuring in a time when madness has seemingly triumphed in so many areas.
They were saying gender is a social construct since the 1960's. John Money was one of the original advocates: his work has been repudiated, as victims of his therapy came forth with reports of his sexual abuse of them as children. But he published for 30 years and remains widely cited in gender studies.
It's the concept of gender that is a social construct. It's an invented category. Feminists used it after Money to subvert sex and queer activists took it further even at the expense of feminists. It's ideological not biology. They are trying to confuse us.
Both boys are dead as well now, so his entire construct just collapsed… but the entire transgender community is build on this lies, failures and delusional ideas.
He may have been a POS, but that doesn't mean he is entirely wrong. He conflated gender and sex. Sex isn't a social construct, but gender is. As we rid ourselves of gender stereotypes, genders become labels for which the definition is ever shrinking.
Gender is a social construct. And the discussion is still dumbed down. Just because she has a maths PhD doesn't alter this. White feminism reeling off black civil rights in her list, whilst embracing anti-wokeism. Mediocre.
I am always so much calmer after listening to any interview with Helen. She's so capable of encapsulating and pinning all of the key points - and then just dismantles them, brick by brick. What a gift.
Well done for getting Helen on. I've been watching all of Helen's CZcams and Podcast conversations, of which there have been many, since she first appeared on Benjamin Boyce before her book came out. I will only believe we are getting somewhere in this fight when I see Helen on the BBC. Not that I ever watch the BBC but that would be a significantl game changer. And the BBC know this.
Many, many thanks Andrew for Heretics. You are doing the journalistic role that so many others are failing to do. This takes courage and a strong sense of commitment 💪 Bravo mate Aussie Michele 🎉
Good interview. Nice flow and good questions. I was born 1980. Im last diagnosed autistic. As a child/ teen hated my body. Very much a tom boy, preferred boys, i think my mother as a left leaning woman that is very much a narcissist, if a teen today, i would have been encouraged to transition. I think people arent focusing on the parents. Particularly mothers that are narcissistic and or bpd. I really think many, not all, children are being encouraged by adults not just other children
Former "tomboy" here, never liked that term. Toads and salamanders were more interesting than Barbies. Climbing trees was peaceful. I would have been transed if this crap was going on in the 70s-80s.
Lol are you me? Same generation and situation. My mom used to literally say shed love it if one of us was gay. She also very much encouraged rebelliousness and going against the grain and doing whatever would make us happy. OMG cool parents, DO NOT parent this way, plz. A little structure and normalcy is ok.
@@CTScenic oh yes, my mother is vile, allowed my sister to date a 21 yo soldier when she was 13. Really encouraged us to be messed up. I used to say all the time i wanted to be a boy (cat & horse before that) she would have made me a jazz jennings asap to get herself famous and a fan club telling her how tolerant she is.
@@user-mz4in1hj9e that dating scenario sounds pretty bad. I wont say mom is vile, tho there were a few acts of such obliviousness that i could spin that way. More like misguided in most aspects. On the topic of gender roles, she was very much a self declared feminist and supportive of gender nonconformity (which is good...) but I think she also used feminism to justify stuff like not learning how to do a damn thing in a kitchen. Which might have been cool if dad was cooking or if she was fixing cars, but dad was dead and she cant do a damn thing with a car or a computer either. Cooking and food are cool, eating is not gendered, and im so glad youtube is around to teach me whatever i need! The lady in this vid makes some good sound points about stuff like clarifying the incidence and definition of intersex, and what it really means that embryos dont have differentiated sex organs at the start, but i thought she was being a bit of a dick making blanket statements against using a persons preferred pronouns.
@@CTScenicIf you encounter enough of the super-aggressive ones like the guy she described (at a recent debate they were both part of) in the fishnet tights flashing an entire audience, you’ll come to see that many, if not most of them have absolutely *no* respect whatsoever of actual women and are misogynists of the lowest type. You’re basically expecting her to ‘respect’ bullies.
@@jarekjaskolska5703 The real problem is dealing with the socialist defense - not so much a debate as being fired, ostracized and even beaten up or killed. Thus why the Muslim counter-argument is so effective - mainly because it's so similar.
Just wanting to say im loving this Heretics podcast! Keep up the good work! PS... this is where my thoughts on this issue have come a out over this past year but i feel too afraid to voice my opinions on this. Will definitely being having a read of Helen's book!
Helen is always worth listening to, she's so articulate. Tatchell doesn't understand that men and women's bodies are different shapes and their clothes are designed to fit those shapes. 🙄
@@justinludeman8424 I got the point. People come in all shapes and sizes, was my point. You can't say a particular size is masculine or feminine. A Trans person may have to change their sizing. But size is arbitrary not specific.
A lot to unpack but always a pleasure listening to Helen Joyce. Informative & thought provoking. As I was listening I just kept thinking of Thomas Sowell talking about how it takes way more effort to debunk a lie than to create one & from Mark Twain "Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience." Something I've been thinking about is that if to get what you want you have to manipulate, intimidate or punish those who stand in your way, then what you want really only benefits you.
A a female martial artist, I can strongly confirm the strength issue, and bone structure. When we break boards of wood, a man does it with a punch, while we women never do that, as the bones in our hands would shatter at that force. Instead, we break with a palm strike, which doesn’t carry the same risk of damage. We also have a much lower standard to meet ( e.g. if a man has to break 4 boards stacked together, his female counterpart only has to break 2).
If a teenager feels that they are the opposite sex, why would they need puberty blockers or invasive, life-long surgery? Teenagers are confused enough.
The title hooked me because I have been asking people, “Do you know the only kind of people that can become a trans woman? They expect me to insult their personality or their mental state, or expecting me to say something rude and ignorant. But no, my answer is so simple and true that they can’t dispute it. All I say is…”Men.”
The answer is simple my friend: nobody is becoming anything. They ARE trans women. :) Maybe try seeing this without the bias you are bringing to the table? I don’t mean that in a rude way. I just think you’d do well to examine why you never thought of it that way.
@@EffSharp Well, "trans" does denote movement of some kind, so it begs the question "from what and to what?" The language itself gives it away. Only males can be "transwomen." "Women" are, by definition, female.
@@EffSharp What bias are you talking about? A Trans woman is a man, who identifies as a woman. It looks like CZcams deleted my last message as hate speech. There is no hate in my view, it’s simple biology and rational thinking. If you’re born a man, which is not a social construct, it’s basic biology; then you for one reason or another you “think” that your a female and you identify as such, it doesn’t change the fact that you were born male, and decided to “present” as a female in varying degrees, that you are now a woman. You use the prefix “trans” which basically verifies that a man, who transitions to being a woman is not a woman, but a “trans” woman. If they were real woman, the prefix would not be necessary now would it.
All interviews with Helen are great because she is great but this was particularly good as you brought a slightly more personal and humorous tone to it (for both of you). Nice one.
Just when you think you're losing your mind and the world is in a tailspin...here comes Helen Joyce on Andrew Gold with logic and facts and sense. Thank you, I was invested in this entire conversation.
You know who else has facts and could mop the floor woth this terf? NominalNaomi maybe you should hear what an eloquent and smart person who is actually trans has to say about it. Why would a ciswoman karen looking wants to see the manager ass have any insight into trans people
@@TheYuvimon As a mother if 5 children, I can say that the girls just never used violence as a way to solve their quarrels. The boys were most likely to use their sheer advantage of size and strength to dominate another into submission.
I see Helen Joyce, I watch. I will never stop being inspired by Helen and being pushed to do my own activism in my country. As a woman, as a CSA survivor, as a lesbian, I am outraged by this disgraceful fetishist movement.
Im disgusted by sick freaks that want to assume someones private identity is a fetish. You sound ignorant and quite frankly youre probably the one with sexual issues
Do not realize that people used to say the same thing about gay people? They called them freaks (and still do) and think it's a fetish rather than just the way people are. By calling trans-people fetishist your playing into the same hateful rhetoric people used to say about you. I find it disgraceful that now that being gay has become more accepted gay people like yourself have decided to turn your back on other marginalized groups.
I remember going to Copenhagen Pride 2017, and being shocked to see the sight of parents with their children as young as 5, in the vicinity of adults wearing bondage gear, 1 woman was wearing a very large strap on. To be honest both men and women were wearing some obscene clothing, it just baffles me why parents would take their kids to such events.
Don't go to Japan. Penis parades. Don't go to America. Boobs out and fake balls on back of pick up trucks. Don't go to the beaches of Europe. Naked ladies. The thing is most kids don't know, don't care or it's normal so not sexualized like how adults would.
It's because unfortunately the kink community are just another group trying to push their inclusion in real LGB and a lot of the gay community are just as appalled. An increasing number of LGB want to separate the 'TQI+++++' from their name because the LGB part just want to live their life and the other part of it is ruining it for them.
How do you know you feel like a woman if you've never been one and have nothing to compare what you're feeling with actually being a woman with everything it includes, not just wearing feminine attire and over acting a feminine role no woman would ever feel the need to act out.
well done both of you - really excellent - been following Helen's work for a while and always impressed - strangely hadn't picked up that she is a fellow mathematician which helps explain her laser-sharp intelligence and ability to ruthlessly apply logic to the absurdities that we are encountering from the behaviour of the more extreme trans lobby
Just wow! As always Helen is one of the leading voices in terms of a heavyweight rational, scientific thought leader who delivers every time. I learn more each time I hear here and I’ve read her book! An amazing interview and yes to Maya Forstater please Andrew!
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Love Helen to bits! You're right Andrew, not to be missed!
Ooh another spotlight on a transphobe. You do know we're known as "terf island" over here? Why are you aiding this nationwide bullying campaign?
I missed it.
You know I will watch.
Love Helen! She's one of my favourite people to listen to on this topic - i've learned so much from her.
Helen is one of the greatest and knows her stuff
Helen : “Any man who oversteps women's boundaries by coming in to women's spaces has already demonstrated he doesn’t care about women's boundaries. He is exactly the worst sort of man to be in there. “
Great point among many others. Thank you Helen.
This has been my intuition for a long time. People are staggeringly naive.
She's very eloquent 😊
'Good men stay out so bad men stand out'
These ideas are just that, IDEAS! This has been another attempt on how crAzy our mental state is!! 😮
@@kellysouter4381 She's Irish. They are a warm, friendly, verbally sophisticated culture. I love Ireland for the wonderful people and beautiful landscape.
I'm a gay man and I just want to be left alone. I want nothing to do with that community.
I'm not gay but I think one thing that is going to stop this madness is for the LGB to come out, stand up and say that they want nothing to do with the rest b/c they are making a mockery of "sex". Sex not gender. Gender is a thought and a feeling with no basis in fact or science. A person is free to believe what they want to believe but it's wrong to force people to not just believe it as well but to say it. Bill C16 in Canada forces all Canadians to use she/her for men and he/him for women and do it under penalty of jail and/or fines. I don't know why we as people crumble to madness but laws based on madness is insane. We have to draw a line and say "no, I'm not going to accept this "x"" whatever it is. Everyone is afraid to simply state, no I'm not going to agree to something that isn't true and I'm not going to be forced to say things by individuals, Government, Human Rights Commission and and the law. I've lost 2 friends that I've known for over 30 years b/c I refused to believe something that is unverifiable. I feel bad about them walking away from me, that we couldn't agree to disagree about a topic and still be friends but on the other hand, at what expense to both of us. The other thing I know will stop this madness is money. For instance, children who were transitioned as minors, become adults and hate what their own parents did to them. If all the de-transitioners or all the people living as the opposite sex who are desperately unhappy sued the parents and health care practitioners that put them on blockers, put them on cross sex hormones and signed the paperwork for sex-reassignment surgery, sued their parents for what they did to them, this madness would come to a screeching halt and laws would be changed to protect children. Money talks and has done since the dawn of any type of currency.
Same Here. I'm a gay man and don't want to be associated with this alphabet-"community". That's not a real community. The digital world is not the real world
The gsy community has always been anti trans.
I have a lot of gay friends who say the same. Sad to see the community just get overrun with bullshit.
@devilsfavorite999 the gay community has always been transphobic.
She makes a great point about transgenderism basically being misogynistic. I find that the transgender community has pigeonholed women into a very narrow description as if women wear pink and flip out over a spider! It sets feminism back decades and decades. I resent that.
_"women wear pink and flip out over a spider!"_
- To be fair, that _is_ most women, especially regarding spiders.
It is also a very male thing to to flip over spiders. Quit the misogyny. 🙄😚
I don't wear pink and love spiders. 🙄!
@@gsomethingsomething2658 I know plenty of men who are as fearfully of spiders, it's a basic instinct.
@@hailingpearl Me too.
I was taking a woman’s workshop last summer. My youngest daughter was 9. Every day was a different topic. One day it was LGBTQ and we had a guest speaker. This guest speaker was F to M trans and the owner of a place called out loud. Out loud is a place for kids to hang out and feel safe. Many vulnerable children go there. I thought it was great! Until I met the owner and ask him a question. His answer left me in shock. I had told him that my 9 year old came home from school one day and told me she didn’t know if she was a boy or a girl. I told her that she is à girl but can dress how ever she wants. If you want to dress boyish some days and girlish some days she could do that. I told her that who she is perfect. . So I told this guest speaker what my response to my daughter was and ask if I had answered her correctly in his view. He said that I should have her see a dr and possibly put her on puberty blockers!! What I’m the actual F*ck?! I was flabbergasted and lost all respect for him. And now I fear for all kids who go to him for advice :( by the way, my daughter loves to do girly things. She is very et feminine. If I was a stupid parent I would have followed the advice I was given by someone with an agenda. My daughter would probably still be confused a year later. She’s fine now and all she needed to know what that she was loved and could express herself in her choice of clothes anytime. She sometimes will wear “boyish” clothes but not often.
What you said to your daughter was correct, and simple common sense. The response of this LGBTQRXYZ "expert" was typical of the cult of gender ideology. They are absolutely obsessed with changing kids' sex, almost like it's a fetish -- and for some of them it actually is. (See The WPATH Files.) I believe that in a decade or two "gender affirmative care" will be seen in the same light in which we now see lobotomy.
I have 3 daughters, all in their 40s now, they all liked to dress in both boyish and girly things, but mostly boyish because they found them more comfortable, the oldest ones never got playing with dolls, the other two did but not in a girly way, most of their friends were the same, back then there that they were anything other than girls wouldn't have even been considered. I had a friend that was a male to female transgender, surgery and everything later in life, she was great but never considered herself anything other than transgender, never would she have considered that she had actually changed sex and was a biological female as some do now.
BORING!
People like that should be barred from working with children…
Live love. You are totally right. If she said she identified as a dog and felt sick he would probably have advised that you take her to a vet.
The tide is turning on this doublespeak. An anecdote, I just went into the toilets at an international airport and a man was using them. He was washing his hands, presumably after being in a cubicle, and a group of young women told him to get out, these are women’s toilets. These women were in their early 20s. The kool aid isn’t working.
How I pray that it continues to fail! This transgender insanity needs to end!
So you're a bigot. Thanks for admitting it. Bigots like you will get exactly what they deserve.
Did you know that your toilet at home is how public toilets should be created. no men and womans. just a wall 10 toilets in a row with little basins in them. You use the one that is avaliable.
Hooray! Thank God for these real young women. The woke business is misogynistic! They’ve got a massive chip on their shoulders about real women. They are so jealous! They are terribly insecure, they want power. They are projecting their insecurities onto real women, the very people they are aspiring to. They are not interested in healing that insecurity…..just placing a bandaid on the surface. They get a sexual kick out of acting like a woman. It is a fetish. They are so consumed by this fetish that they cannot see any deeper into themselves, to heal their insecurities. They can feel whole, loved, content, complete…. but you have to work on it…like the rest of us! Taking on another persona because you hate yourself is never going to make you happy. If you cannot love yourself how you were made…you have a psychological issue. Which you can heal and be really truly HAPPY.
Well known troll. You just keep popping your head out of the cave.
I've never been one to have heroes, until gender ideology. Now all my heroines are women like Helen Joyce, JKR, Kathleen Stock, Julie Bindel, Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie, Helen Staniland, Posie Parker, so many women who are standing up for our rights. It's invigorating.
Seems to me those you have listed are more interested in being popular that actually standing up for ppls rights.
they are sticking up for rights.
I've always had heroines. Hannah Senesh and Aayan Hirsi Ali.
Don't forget the guys! Graham Linehan, Stuart Campbell ( WOS) Mr Mennie and many more. I am grateful to them all - male, female and brave.❤
All the transphobes are your heroes? How sad
Heart surgeons will tell you there is a big difference in the physiology between male and female hearts
I have had such a discussion with a cardiac surgeon. He much preferred doing surgery on males.
Symptoms of heart attack are very different in women as well. Lab values vary between men and women, disease risks vary between men and women, baby girls survive at higher rates than baby boys. Differences are inherent, significant and real.
Medications & anesthesia also metabolized different in males than females.
In college, I took an entire class about women's health outcomes. The whole thing was about the the areas in biology, health and wellness where women were different from men. I can't even imagine what they would be teaching in that class now.
That's hormonal honey.. it's not mystical. There are currently zero cases of a Trans-women ever attacking a Cis-women in a public bathroom ever... They aren't dangerous. Honestly Cis-women on Cis-women violence, way outstrips Trans-folk. You would probably be safer in a room full of Trans-women than anyone else!
My kids started saying mom your thinking about this way to much, and I said no someone hasn't thought about this enough.
My family says I think about it too much too, but I agree with you💯
Yes my actual daughter said the same to me, my son thinks he's a woman and I'm glad iv found other woman who feel the same way I do.
people like to say we're obsessed with the topic but i'm like of course, it affects women. of course i care and want to learn everything i can about the subject!
@@samanthabarker3456where is the father? That’s the problem.
@@samanthabarker3456How old is your son? I’d like to talk with you about this if you’re comfortable.
This is the most grown up conversation about this topic I’ve heard yet. Helen Joyce makes so much sense. Loved it.
Exactly! I’m actually not sure where I stand on some of this, but I’m deeply bothered by how dissenting voices are silenced. That’s what authoritarianism does.
@@rebeccaco65 I agree with you, especially the last sentence. People worry about 'fascism' but it's no different to 'authoritarianism' (same horse, different colour), and the way society is being pushed by identify politics and group-think (the 'if you're not with us, you're a bigot' attitude) doesn't bode well for the future. Scary times!
@@rebeccaco65if dissenting voices are silenced why do I hear more terfs like this c@nt than I do actual transpeople. How many panels and interviews are out there that never bothered to talk to a trans person. This karen is a braindead moron and if she debated nominalnaomi shed get her ancient ass embarrassed
@@yvonnewalesuk8035dude people say fascist because theres a ton of overlap. The first gender clinic was jewish owned and destroyed by the nazis. Theres a Florida law that anyone can threaten someone they think is trans to either leave the bathroom or be arrested
Its a grown up conversation about trans people that doesnt include any trans people riiiight her arguments are weak and shes a hateful biggot loser
I’ve heard a million ppl discuss this issue but she’s the most interesting to listen to and explains everything so well, plus she’s so likable. I could listen to her talk all day
This is not a joke and I mean this seriously I would pay for it I want her to read the whole Harry Potter series to me, I will also agree that that is weird😊
I cannot imagine being a woman who has been sexually violated and then going somewhere to recover and men dressed as women are there. It would be beyond horrible. And it's absolute misogyny and emotional abuse.
Well most normal people don't see biological men who have transitioned to become women as a man dressed as a woman. most of us are pretty normal and are fine with people doing what works for them. As a sexual assault survivor, anyone who wants to dispose of their masculinity is AOK with me. imagine not empathizing with someone who has gone through sexual trauma
@@lampb0obssomeone who “disposes of their masculinity” is very puzzling and slightly scary to me. And oddly quite an aggressively testosterone-led thing to demand to be let into women’s spaces.
Made me cry to think about it. Horrendous.
@@lampb0obs Actually "most normal people" know exactly that a transwoman is a male!
You can't BE a transwoman if you are not male!
What most people do not realise hwever is that most transwomen (about 95% of them) retain their penis and have no intention of removing it.
A costume does not make you a female.
Asserting you are one, does not make you a female.
You're nothing like a female.
Humans clock in an instant of glancing at an approaching person whether they are male or female.
We need to be able to do that for our survival.
Most of the time we get it right, and occassionally someone is able to disguise them self enough to confuse some people, but that just makes for a convincing costume. You're still the same sex you always were.
Women have the right to single sex spaces under law and if you need rape crisis shelters, then campaign for some to be set up to cater to you.
Insisting on barging into traumatised womens spaces and forcing those women to keep quiet and accept your presence under threat of expulsion from a crucial shelter program is purely abusive behaviour- behaviour they have probably been subjected to many times throughout their life.
Women do not exist to affirm you.
And when in sport the ex-man has competition with woman, or, the ex-woman has competition with man.. So.. we can know, who win or not.
“Any man who oversteps women's boundaries by coming in to women's spaces has already demonstrated he doesn’t care about women's boundaries. He is exactly the worst sort of man to be in there. “
Very true. I am really disgruntled by the rise of misogyny. These people have mothers, respect women.
Okay, hi, I'm a trans girl and you're right, I have a Mom, I also have an older sister, and most of my friends are girls. Could you tell me in what instance do you think I might be disrespectful to any of them? And how come I haven't heard any such thing from them? I'd assume I'm not disrespecting anybody
There are legit people with actual gender dysphoria, it's a very very very rare condition. Most of the trans folk nowadays are following a trend, also pedos, pervs and rapist are hiding as trans. Hence why female only spaces should remain as such.
IF you are legit, it sux for you, sadly there is no way to tell who is legit and who is not.@@VixenArt3
There are trans folk that are legit. Actual gender dysphoria is a real condition, but it's very very very rare. Many modern trans people are simply following a trend. Also Seggs pr3dat0rs are hiding as trans. Hence why female only spaces should remain as such.
IF you are legit, sux for you, sadly there is not way to tell who is legit and who is not.@@VixenArt3
There are trans folk that are legit. Actual gender dysphoria is a real condition, but it's very very very rare. Many modern trans people are simply following a trend. Also not good people are hiding as trans. Hence why female only spaces should remain as such. IF you are legit, not cool for you, sadly there is not way to tell who is legit and who is not.@@VixenArt3
There are trans folk that are legit. Actual gender dysphoria is a real condition, but it's very very very very rare. Also not good people are hiding as trans. IF you are legit, not cool for you, sadly there is not way to tell who is legit and who is not.@@VixenArt3
1) Woman isn't a social construct (aka role) that you can choose. The social constructs are the individual stereotypes (Clothing, hairstyle, personality etc). We each choose a unique set of stereotypes, not "man" or "woman".
2) You can't "identify as" a member of the "woman" group because membership is based on biology.
3) The concept of being in the "wrong body" is illogical. To confirm that you're in the "wrong body" then you must have previous experience of a different body in order to verify that you don't feel uncomfortable in every body. But you can't even change bodies.
Yes! How does a man who's lived & experienced the world only as a male have any idea what it is like to "feel like a woman"? They have zero idea. They put on their woman costume and declare, "I'm a real woman!" How on earth do they know how it feels to be a woman/ female? No more than I know what it feels like to be a man. Ludicrous.
Oh, that is an excellent thought on being in the wrong body. Very well put! Perhaps the people who feel they are in the wrong body should consider it's not the body that is wrong, but the mindset.
Good points. I’ve always wanted to respond to the claim that somebody “identifies” as a woman by asking how they can possibly know what being a woman feels like if they aren’t one?
On point 3, the other thing is that we _are_ our bodies. Unless you want to get into religious conceptions of the soul, everything that makes you, you is in your brain. Our brains are shaped by our sex, in the same way every organ is, to varying degrees.
It is femininity which is the social construct, built on the misogynistic ideal of females and masculinity, built on homophobia and a fear of weakness. It is these social constructs which Trans people impersonate
The intersex argument is wild. It's like saying 'the average person has 3.99 limbs'. No. The average person has 4 limbs, but there are exceptions.
It’s like saying that humans only have 64 chromosomes. If someone has more or less than 64…. But we don’t say that because it’s acceptable that anomalies occur. It is gross that people will use a genetic, medical condition to validate their need to be special and unique.
Oh I like this 3.99 😂 that's good..I may use this,hope you don't mind 🙏😂
Or even 'see, this person is intersex because they have to sit down when they pee' (because they have hypospadia).
The amount of limbs we have is on a spectrum does sound like a Titania Mcgrath tweet.
@@PuddilyOopsI agree with you, but it is 46 chromosomes not 64. Sorry to be a pedant😊
As a guy I learned about exactly how women & especially lesbians were being crushed by this awful ideology from the late, great and sadly missed Magdalen Berns here on CZcams (her channel is still up even though we lost her to a brain tumour. It's well worth your time to go find her) and Helen Joyce is carrying on her good work.
Helen includes the damage being done to young, gay men as well as women & deserves all the support & help we can offer.
I have absolutely nothing except sympathy for the tiny fraction of the trans community that really are gender dysphoric. It must be hell on earth to suffer from such a delusion. Maybe surgery can help, I don't know. But it must be treated as a dangerous, riddled with problems & poor outcomes last resort. Not an immediate response to tomboy girls & effeminate boys.
You've time to go see how Magdalen Berns (channel name is her name) approached this in it's early days before we all cone together to listen to Helen this evening.
See you here later 💜☮️
It's not "an immediate response" is it though. This is a nationwide bullying campaign (we're known as terf island lol...) and I have no idea why Andrew is so obsessed with it
@rgghjs9270 The 'bullying campaign' is being led by the trans lobby and supported by their dim-witted minions.
Western governments, state bodies and most major institutions have been manipulated into forcing an incoherent, non-sensical ideology on Western populations who did not vote for it and do not consent to its consequences. They seek to undermine our intuition, deny reality by debauching language so that it no longer reflects reality and intimidate us all into playing along by prosecuting and smearing the few who are brave enough to object.
We're ostensibly living through the plot for a distopian novel. The pertinent question is why aren't you obsessed by it too?
@@rgghjs9270it has been the immediate response for a while now p since activists took the wheel. Before that even mermaids showed the data that revealed that majority of these kids would grow up and out of it to be gay men (look through the archives on their website) the TAvi had actual drs in charge that blew the whistle when they started noticing that many of the kids were struggling with internalised homophobia, and /or were on the autistic spec. Lisa Littman found that all of a sudden a huge uptick in teen girls were identifying as trans together in friendship groups when it had always been a historically male problem - but they went after her. Didn’t stop someone taking that research and expanding on it and finding what we kinda knew - it is a social contagion especially in girls - but now that research is being suppressed.
Tomboy girls and effeminate boys were never a problem for gays and lesbians, only for conservatives and mainstream society in general. The same people are now attacking trans people, just like you calling them ‘delusional’. Of course you have to be careful with treatments, diagnosis and so on, but we don’t need judgmental people like you belittling the individuals with gender dysphpria nor do the tomboys or fem men need your disingenuous support. Support only in the name of the crusade against another minority.
The late, great, sadly missed Magdalen Berns indeed ❤️
As a father - I value women's spaces greatly. Helen Joyce is a treasure.
Shant we also value men's spaces?
@@wilpri Why ever would we do that? We are worthless pigs.
If you have daughters, maybe not support someone spreading transphobia like this. Because it's bound to hit cis-women. It has done so. And recently, the example was made even clearer: the Olympic Games.
Aroubnd 54 minute point speaking of support groups for abused women. The city council where I live was pushed to remove funding for a support group for women who had been sexually abused because they refused to admit men who identified as women. There very sane reason was because women were too distressed to have them there. Rather than fight to get funding for their own support group they went to council, had on of the council memebers support them and fight to have all funding removed. And they won....came out smiling in celebration. It was disgusting and distressing and when I called it out on FB one of the people who supported it who I knew replied that they could not believe that "I" a person who teaches yoga could dare support that. As if I should know better without even acknowleding that they had just crushed the rights of women. Idiocy. I did not back down and will not feed this growing monster.
That is so shockingly bad. These type of trans activists are misogynistic in the extreme. That isn't the only example of this either.
I have an honest question for you: if a support group for violent robbery victims asked you not allow black people in because some of the victims were robbed by black men would you think was ok? I know it’s not an equivalent but it’s an analogy. I’m not sure how having a trans woman in the group would actually harm anyone. I say this as a female sexual assault victim. I think having funding removed from a support group is messed up, but I also don’t think it makes sense to keep trans women out, seeing as trans women are often victimized.
@@EffSharp it was a support group for women, not men, that's why trans women should not have been allowed in the group.
@@EffSharpif you "know it's not an equivalent" then you are being disingenuous.
@@EffSharp When you picture in your mind’s eye the transwomen you wouldn’t mind using the support group, I assume you’re thinking of slightly built, effeminate men like Dylan Mulvaney, gently sobbing into their silk handkerchiefs, and not those people who have sexual offences against women, like Isla Bryson?
Because if you open the door for Dylan, the Islas of this world will stride right in.
Thank goodness for Helen Joyce! A very brave woman taking on the nonsensical new religion of gender drivel.
It's not a religion, and it isn't new lol
@@rgghjs9270it represents a cult of delusion and social contagion, more so now than ever.
It is rather similar to a religion - a belief in the fantastic idea that gender is fluid, and biological sex matters not - a delusion indeed.
It is not epistemically humble to equate rare cases of transgenderism from past ages with the extant trend and its fervent ideologues and activists who prey on children to validate their Narcissistic desires.
It is a religion. It implies we all have a gender 'soul' and is just as deeply regressive, homophobic and sexist as all the abrahamic ones. No wonder neckbeards and homophobes love it@@rgghjs9270
She’s a quack.
@@rgghjs9270It's absolutely a religion, but no, it's not new. Cult of Baphomet, same beliefs only not gussied up by pseudo-scientific libjargon.
I'm really glad they brought up the issue of "spicy straights" and how gender ideology has played a huge role in it. Frankly, being gay myself, I would absolutely love to have my sexuality viewed as "boring" which usually just means normal or nondescript. I want my character, my personality, and my accomplishments to be at the forefront of who I am as a person, not something as insignificant as my sexuality (which has all the same importance on my beings as my hair color or which hand I use to write with).
Originally, the whole mission statement of gay rights was for us to be viewed as basically no different from heterosexuals except in the realm of attraction. However, this has been completely demolished by "queer theory" which essentially wants to paint us as almost another species from straight people. Our groups, spaces, forums, etc. have now also become inundated with bored straight people with dyed hair who call themselves "non-binary" or just the vague term of "queer" who, for whatever reason, now have more of a voice than actual homosexuals. All of this has completely undermined our original goal and has also set us back in terms of progress. Sadly, a lot of gays, lesbians, and bisexuals have helped foster this current environment as well, happily taking part in their own destruction.
I miss that brief window when so and so being gay was just an "oh, okay." Now we're back to the "can tell from a mile away (like it's the default)" or "you sure, they don't look gay." Plus, the worse bs of all is gayness being tied to sexual promiscuity or deviance. The religious psychos in my country are loving the current movement because they're giving them all the "proof" they need.
Why did you feel the need to identify yourself as gay then? Did you think labelling yourself as gay would give you credibility?
I think most people, regardless of their sexual persuasions agree with you. It is always a minority who tend to shout very very loudly about stuff that create these issues.
It is not entirely the fault of the young generation, they have been indoctrinated from an early age into a cult. They are on the inside and can't see it for what it is.
@@B3Band Identifying as gay and recognizing that the word applies to you are two different things, and that's the thing trans activists rarely understand. I don't identify as anything in particular, certain words just accurately describe certain aspects of me, and so it makes sense for me to use these words to talk about myself.
You know who else wants all people to be seen as normal? Gender abolitionists. You know why we had to have all the lgbt categories? Because these are people that have been discriminated against irl and needed to band together to fight for equal rights. Straight people coming in and muddying the waters is a straight problem, trans people cant control them, we just want the same rights as everyone else and to be seen as normal.
"Non-binary" is a hilarious term. The "Non" declares that there are also those who are binary. Thus it creates a binary.
Wrong, it means there are morons who claim sex is binary, idiots like Helen Joyce.
My sister wouldn't play with dolls as a child, she preferred to play with our brother's toys and to hang out with the boys. She was a proper 'tom boy', hated wearing dresses and always wore trousers. Some days, she would inform us that she was a boy and her name was 'Jimmy.' On those days, at home, we humoured her and called her Jimmy. That phase of her life ended when she was about 16 years old and she started to change into this really 'girly' girl.
My sister thanks her lucky stars for our parents (who were very relaxed about her 'tom boy' years) and that no teacher at school, 'counselled' her that she was a 'boy' in a 'girl's' body and she needed to 'transition'.
Amen!
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no teacher is doing that you dolt
i also wouldn't play with dolls as a child. i was more interested in computers and video games.
that phase of my life ended in my 20's when i came out as trans and transitioned into this really 'girly' girl.
i guess i was just a tomboy too! ❤️
@@openSUSE5 Not at all. If you were born a biological male, then your experience is nothing like my sister's experience. She began life as a biological female, and is still a biological female (girl to woman).
You can perceive yourself as "trans" or whatever you like. The fact remains that you're a biological male (boy to man).
"We don't take rights away from entire groups on the basis of a minority". What do they think they are doing to all women?
And men.
I mean the obvious answer is that cis gendered women aren't losing their rights..........
@@Kaylinatka We are a minority in status, not number.
@axiss5840 women. This is one sided.
@@blade797 Speaking as a man, no it's not.
This woman is so brilliant and genuinely funny and entertaining. I love her frank approach to debunking some of the ideological BS with logic.
A neutered dog is still a male dog. A neutered human is a eunuch not a woman.
that word doesnt get used enough
and a man in a dress with makeup is a crossdresser/transvestite - a word I hvent heard in ages either
I'm 73 and remember that being such a societal debacle. To me it was just weird, but so are a lot of other things. Hopefully, this too shall pass before too many young people ruin their lives over someone's phase they misguidely followed. @@toothlesstheruthless
Gender and sex are different things. Shocking, right?
@@smaakjekswhat is shocking is that trans is always expressed as trans man or trans woman, never as trans pan, trans zher, or trans anything of the alleged 749 genders.
Also when anyone wants gender reassignment surgery, it's always either man to woman, or woman to man. Never is gender reassignment surgery to one of the 749 other genders, it's almost as if they don't exist, that there apparently are only two gender options available for gender reassignment surgery.
Strange don't you think how closely gender and sex line up to the exclusion of anything else?
Thank you for inviting the voice of reason, she’s not alone and many educated women like myself are thinking exactly the same! ❤
And uneducated! I'm uneducated and this is not hard to understand!
@@SusanaXpeace2u No please I don’t mean it that way, it’s only to say that I know my facts and so they can’t call me a brainwashed fascist ;) I’m so sorry and apologize if I came across as a pompous jerk 🙏🏻
Sadly, those most captured by postmodern, intersectional, critical race and social justice, and queer theory are the supposed intelligentsia - you are both on point really imho.
This is common sense, however, masquerading as moral virtue - this ideology appeals to elitist narcissistic trait groups.
Glad you clarified your statement, as I had the same initial reaction to your post as SusanaXpeace2u. Anyone with an ounce of common sense can see that the transgender ideology is pure lunacy…and I know plenty of people with PhD’s who couldn’t find their butts with both hands.
Many men stand with you against this lunacy as it's bad for women as well as society as a whole. Alongside those women, people like Graham Linehan have fought the cause
No matter how one identifies, when you need anesthesia for any procedure (say heart bipass or colonoscopy) the docs need to know your actual, birth sex bc anesthesia doses will be adjusted accordingly. If you lie, as a natural born male, you’ll wake up mid surgery and as a woman, you’ll die. Physiological differences are baked in and a person will be outed during these procedures no matter how well they pass otherwise.
Nobody in the history of trans people ever claimed that physiological differences vanish when you transition.
@@matthewcaldwell8100Are you serious?
@@IdaKiss Are you? Do you think trans women don’t know they have prostates?
@@matthewcaldwell8100 Then how did Leah Thomas compete with women?
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Yes they do because trans women insist on competing in women's sports. Bone density and lung capacity don't change with hormone replacement therapy. I'm not even sure if they transitioned as a child that it would be different. Sadly we won't know for another 30 years the effects of puberty blockers when it will be too late to recover for these poor kids.
she's good and I love how she decribes gender ideology as a religion. we don't have to believe. one woman that is great on that subject is annie eve collin , she's taking it from a rationalist , philosophy of science angle. I love her
On the contrary, calling an advanced understanding of gender a religion is as ignorant and deprecating as describing the abolitionist movement as a religion.
I recently heard Arty Morty talk about what he sees as the similarities between Scientologists and trans activists.
@maxwellboyne2770 My comparison is valid because gender and gender identities also actually exist.
@@vulc1people say they exist, insist they exist, and have infiltrated policymaking to enforce compliance. If what you asserted was correct, there would be no need for this at all.
The delusion of gender as opposed to personality and proclivity, and the sophistry, pseudoscience, virtue-signalling, and gaslighting of transactivism exposes the fallibility and fragility of the entire movement.
Sex in immutable objective fact. Gender is a wishy washy bullshit idea.
Beware the constructionism of the deconstructionist mind lol.
"advanced understanding of gender" yeah about as useful as a theology degree, except the religion is as deeply regressive and sexist as evangelicals@@vulc1
A great interview Andrew. Love the way you refrain from speaking over people or interrupting them.
The rare non-XX/XY person is the exception that proves the rule. We need to have a common language and understanding of that language. A man is an adult male human. A woman is an adult female human. A male is that of a species which produces a sperm gamete and a female is that of a species which produces an ova gamete. These are basic definitions. People who think otherwise are not entitled to their own self-serving definitions.
A woman can feel like a man, but not really have the feelings of a man, just her opinion on what a male feels like. Same goes for the opposite for men who feel like a woman. People can alter physical aspects of themselves, including internal aspects such as hormones, but they are still actually, very much as they were born. Sex cannot be changed. It's fundamental science. Just because some people want it to be otherwise, doesn't make it the case.
That said, I think those that want to live their lives as whatever they want to be, then more power to them. But they can't alter science or logic or common language to fit their personal narratives.
So it is in your last paragraph where the problem begins... If you say that they should be able to live their life as they want to live it. Great, wonderful and concept. That sounds wonderful, but in reality. What they want is to enter women's spaces, not being biological women. Therefore, no, they cannot live. However, they want to live because living how they want to live imposes on biological women.
It's actually generally not people who are non-XY/non-XX who are are the exception. People who are XXY or XYY are both male (the conditions are known as Klinefelters and Jacob's Syndrome respectively). Both can have a range of effects (e.g. learning disabilities, being taller than average, infertility...etc), but their sex is generally completely unambiguous. People who just have a single X chromosome are females (it's called Turner's Syndrome), and are also unambiguously female. Basically, if you have at least one Y chromosome, it doesn't matter what other sex chromosomes you have, you are almost certainly going to develop male and be born with male genitalia.
The conditions that cause genuine ambiguity are usually are the ones which effect specific genes, typically those which interact with sex hormones during development. Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome is one, another is 5-ARD (the condition Caster Semenya has).
what if a person doesn't produce gametes?
@@maisatanel Again, "exceptions prove the rule", just like those few who aren't XX or XY chromosomed. This is all logical and common sense.
@@walkingstick6655 yeah but are they a man or a woman
The older you get, the more you realize that sex is baked through to every cell, as she put it. As you age, you learn that women are more susceptible to certain age related diseases, for example. Of course, there is also prostate cancer, etc. that men have to be aware of.
If you do a bit more research, you'll find out that what's "baked" into the cell is an adaptation to the level of sex hormones in the body. That's why the body changes if you go on HRT, because the cells are pluripotent. They're happy to exhibit male or female tendencies, based on the instructions provided by hormone levels.
it's all about Ectodermal, mesodermal, Endodermal.
The prostate is to men what the breast is to women. (mind wise)
Yes. And imagine my horror and disgust when recently I discovered a breast cancer charity was changing their language to support 'chest' cancer. The number of men having breast cancer is less than 2%. A woman will never develop prostate cancer. So, they're even trying to hijack predominantly female illness. The mind boggles.
@@TheMensRea So? Do you feel less represented now? Don't you think the men suffering chest-cancer now feel less stigmatized or afraid to talk about something that not so long a go was thought to only hit women (trans or cis)?
(I will add that in the Dutch language there is no difference between the word to refer to a breast with and your chest, so that adds to it, but I fail to see how you feel women are less included that way...)
@@Dutch3DMaster Read my comment again, please. Maybe a second reading will enhance your understanding, sir.
She's right about EVERYTHING. Bravo.💥🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹
Not EVERYTHING. Not if I'm understanding her views on climate change and vaccines correctly
It absolutely boggles my mind that people think they can change their sex. Also, that they think WE have to go along with their delusions.
Well guess what, this is the USA and you didn't get to tell anyone how they can dress, who they can love or how they identify its called freedom and it's not just for you.
It absolutely boggles my mind that people who love to shout against me that I'm shoving it down their throats still think they are not doing the EXACT thing when saying "we don't have to go along with your delusion."
Helen Joyce is a bigot, a transphobic bigot.
Thank you Helen for mentioning that fetuses do not start as female. It’s a persistent myth that as a biologist drives me crazy.
I wish she'd say that sex is determined at fertilisation though! The word conception, in use from the 1300s, simply means " to get pregnant" when they honestly knew nothing about mammalian eggs and thought semen was seeds which grew in the fertile field of the womb. So sex in mammals and birds is determined when sperm joins egg, up by the ovary, which is 4-5 days before implantation into the uterus lining which is the start of pregnancy. About 50% of fertilised ova dont implant and are lost, possibly more male ones as they are genetically weaker.
@@alisonwren3624 I don't know about genetically weaker perhaps a different gender inside the potential mother's body results in an immune response in some women that reject a male embryo and so never grows. Many women can't conceive boys, some can't conceive girls, and some can't conceive at all which is no one's fault, just the genetic problem of coding millions of instructions, errors are produced, some beneficial, some not
@@tonybrimmicombe5454 Not really its to do with the XY rather than XX. There are 100s of sex-linked conditions like haemophilia which only boys get, others less lethal like colour blindness, all because the Y chromosome is very tiny so doesnt pair up completely with the X at meiosis (type of cell division that makes gametes which have half the usual number of chromosomes than all other body cells) studies have shown that looking at natural miscarriages there are more males than females. Please can we not use gender as a synonym for sex. Sex is biological, encoded in every cell in birds and mammals nothing to do with the stereotypical behaviours expected of male and female humans. And in every mammal species the females naturally live longer than the males. In birds its the opposite because it is the female that has the one big and one small chromosome, the male has two identical ones like female mammals. So male birds tend to live longer than females.
Wait babies don't start as female?? What happens then?? (I'm not that far into the video)
@@Jane-ow7sr A Y sperm fertilises an X egg, no chance it could ever be a female embryo
When they spoke of open sex acts in pride parades and said that this is allowed under the veil of the rainbow flag and that straight men could never get away with this it really speaks volumes about the madness that is happening. It’s a violation and should not be allowed.
I cannot understand why this has not been noticed before! I concur .. it MOST DEFINITELY IS A VIOLATION!!!!
My daughters grew up in a very liberal city. The Pride Parade was as equally lib & same vibe as all the other community events - Art Walks, Shows, Fairs, Parades, Processions, etc.
Individuals and organizations representing a multitude of interests/concerns --- art, food, dance, the environment, self help, etc. Pride was as respectful as all the rest. Nothing inappropriate.
Open sex acts simply don't happen at Pride parades.
@@jaredpaul8059 they have in recent years.
@lfair7985 Ha. How long ago was that? Oh ya, the good old days.
Gender ideology has damaged so many people. All these people need to understand is that they’re conflating their gender with PERSONALITY. Express yourself however you want. Wear whatever you want. That doesn’t have anything to do with your actual gender. You’re just expressing your personality with style, makeup, feminine or masculine characteristics, etc. That doesn’t need to change your gender. Just be a male or female that expresses yourself in whatever way you are expressing yourself.
This rampant transphobia and utter ignorance has damaged so many people. All those transphobic people need to understand the difference between sex and gender. We talk about gender roles not sex roles, and how gender roles are subject to change. Gender itself is not static either ,and definitely gender is not binary.
Personality is such a bland word. But I think you are kinda correct. You are about 90% there.
@@vulc1gender is a meaningless term by its very implications.
There are two sexes, and myriad ways to express oneself as an individual. End of story. Queer Theory sophistry is an invention - a deconstructionist social construct - narcissism 101.
@@vulc1Gender and sex were synonyms until fifteen minutes ago, when religious zealots decided to load the terms with aesthetic baggage.
You're talking about gender as if it's a "true spirit" inhabiting the corpus of a person. You trans fundamentalists don't even realize you've gone full circle around the snake eating its own tail to the point where you're just talking about the "soul" and asserting religiously that YOURS is the CORRECT way to conceptualize the soul, and then contemplating jihad when people disagree.
It's almost like Godwin. The minute you mention a phobia, you've betrayed your ideological capture and inability to think for yourself. Trans is a political stance.
She isn't wrong. I've never met a girl that I was sure she could crush my hands with hers, but I know that I could never squeeze any womans' hand with 1/2 my strength. It would probably break multiple bones in her hands. And I'm not even "strong". Women's hands in a man's even feel very fragile. Most men could absolutely significantly harm most women if they squeezed her hand with half the available power in their hands.
You don't think this is at all societal? Because women can lift 700 lbs; you think THAT woman can't crush your hands?
@@ronhoward121a woman would have to put a lot of work in to be that strong. The strongest woman in the world would be stronger than most people but the strongest man in the world is stronger than everyone.
@@ronhoward121so a few women train hard enough and manage to lift 700 lbs you equate that to all women are capable of doing so. It’s not societal, it’s biology.
@@renbakes5083 Did I equate it to that? Testosterone plays a major role; but there are women with more testosterone than some men. I only asked if it were "at all societal". It is. Men are encouraged to lift, women are frequently discouraged from doing so. I don't deny a biological component, but how much is societal? As reference, women are fairly competitive against men in wrestling due to weight classes.
@@ronhoward121 you said, “because women can lift 700 lbs”. That sounds like you are referring to women in general. If it’s not what you meant, I apologize, but it’s how it came across.
What an amazing woman, got her book Trans when it came out and it was eye opening. Also Andrew you’re a sensitive and knowledgeable interviewer x
Helen is always an inspiration and truly knowledgeable about the subject - really looking forward to the interview
She repeatedly claims you cannot change sex. No transgender people claim this. She doesn't know the first, most basic thing about this stuff - it's in the name; transGENDER
Nice discussion. I've long thought "tits and ass" is how men defined us. Talking to "transwomen" confirmed it.
Please don't judge all men, by the standards of cross-dressers who mutilate their own genitals, and who insist they're entitled to access women's bathrooms, because they swear they're more "vulnerable" than 6yo girls, or 80yo grandma's.
99% of men would rather drive a red hot poker through their eyeball, than do ANY of the above.
(Same as we don't judge ALL women, by those who affirm and embrace and defend these guys. Or by the women who think that facial piercings and a bad haircut make them "non-binary," and "neither male OR female"..)
Indeed. They've reduced us to a costume: long hair, nails, boobs, make up, dress, handbag, heels. Misogyny in its highest form.
lol this is soo sad but so true. They actually prove the point that they are in fact male by saying that. I heard one conversation where a transwoman was saying that makeup is part of being a woman. And I was just thinking, “So, I’m not a woman, after all because I don’t where makeup, even though I have three children that I have carried and birthed.”
Talking to transwoman about the centre of their delusion doesn't really say much about men. Them being fixated on the things they can mimic and find most compelling and ignoring both internal biology and the character traits that women tend to have is sort of inevitable.
Wow! 🌞
Always a pleasure to listen to Helen Joyce, She is a legend.
She is the greatest. There is no better person to elucidate the many, many issues with this nonsensical neo-religion than Helen Joyce. She will destroy all comers.
lol she repeatedly states you can't change sex. That's not what transgender people are claiming. No one is claiming that except clueless transphobes...
It would be wonderful to see Joyce in conversation with a transgenderist, but of course they don’t engage.
And she does it with so much warmth, humour and clarity
Completely agree. She is deadly. That's why the TRA gang hate her, she will be the end of their movement.
Have any of you seen Robert Sapolsky - Brain Gender? It's a video on here. You might realise Helen doesn't actually know very much if you give him a chance. He's a famous neurologist btw, really knows his stuff
I never thought I'd see the day when simply standing up for biological science - while defending material reality itself - made one both an absolute pariah within mainstream liberal Western society - and at the same time a heroine to those of us still rooted in the physical world - as opposed to being lost in our own narcissistic fantasies.
Have You ever read Ayn Rand?
It's not biological science, educate yourself please 🙏
@@joshuagharis9017 Bit rich
@@joshuagharis9017 A man is not a woman. That is biological science.
@@mardyroux8136you realise that this goes both ways right
I love Helen! Gender ideology is a religion, and if the proponents of it would treat it like that we wouldn’t have any issues. Imagine if Catholics went around in public saying “Peace be with you” and then demanded everyone, regardless of their faith, say “and also with your spirit” back to them. If someone didn’t say this back, they would scream “bigot!”and try to ruin your reputation saying your a Catholicphobe. It’s like no, I’m not a bigot, I don’t hate you and I’m not afraid of you, I just don’t believe what you believe. Gender religion says “Trans women are women” and you are expected to respond with “Yes they are” or you’re a heretic. You can believe whatever you want, but forcing me to go along with it IS where the problem happens. Religions have a long history of hurting and abusing children, attempting to convert gay people, living in ways people outside of the religion don’t understand, and this religion is no different.
It’s exactly like going back to having blasphemy laws - if you don’t believe, you are a heretic and should be punished
Live and Let Live
PROVERB
You should tolerate the opinions and behaviour of others so that they will similarly tolerate your own.
More like a cult, imo. Good analogy!
@@matthewb9621I disagree. When you endorse people's fantasies, you just perpetuate the lie. We have to stick to science and facts and the truth.
There are limits to what behaviour should be tolerated.
I love listening to Helen Joyce, both because of her sharp wit and bravery and her lovely accent.
Arent you embarrased to get your information on trans people from a ciswoman who transpeople see as a hatemonger bully loser
What accent?
I never tire of her razor sharp wit
I’m well impressed with her! Now SHE is a woman!!
The only thing weirder to my mind than the idea of a man identifying as a woman is the idea that he would want to.
Sexual arousal
woman are brilliant.
They don't really identify as women. It's a sexual kink.
It has a lot to do with sexually exploiting them as well as taking advantage of any female privilege they can apply to themselves.
it has to do with gender dysphoria sweetie
Great guest, Dr. Joyce is brilliant. What worries me the most about this issue is that we are massively ignoring real problems that adolescents are bearing in the first part of this century. That is, they are inundated by non-stop data and social media, and they don't have an opportunity to grow into thoughtful, analytical people. Instead, they look for rapid, popular solutions to normal adolescent confusion and growth--and navigating those phases requires time and patience. That is sad. They need real attention, not force-fed misinformation and irreversible, medical butchering.
They do not have to look. Children are very literally targetted in online gaming and social platforms by adult gender activists and groomers , in popular media and now by schools who have activist teachers and bring in lgbtqia+ and other ngo to facilitate their sex ed programs.
The most encouraging thing to me is that more and more women realise that transgenderism is the opposite of feminism and threatens women's rights and things they fought hard for to attain.
I agree but I would avoid making it overly a gender issue (although I appreciate it probably harms women disproportionately). We need, as a society as a whole, resist this together
I find the changing of sports policies to stop transgender participation a sign that reality is resurfacing.
You mean threatens women's privileges.
Almost nothing harms women disproportionately.@@simondebeer9917
Very well said.
The ‘Issue’ is never the issue, the ‘Issue’ is always the ‘Revolution’.
As a gay man, I agree with everything Helen said here. Thank you for expressing again very eloquently what so many of us know to be true, just like you did on Richard Dawkins' interview...
A much needed voice of reason in these times.
You as a gayRpart of the problem.
It's because of individuals like you that we live in a world where this is even a thing.
@@elgatofelix8917 Nope. Being gay has nothing to do with being trans AT ALL (even Helen Joyce who you're watching here has a gay son). Good try though.
@@elgatofelix8917 By all means, keep blaming LGBs for the mess heterosexual AGPs created. Bloody dumbass lol
@@OfficialRogue The LGBT-bigots will never accept you. Might as well be on the right side of history.
I'm one of those gay people she was talking about who aren't interested in transforming society or breaking down social norms, and I happen to think we live in a very good society that needs to be preserved. So I'm very upset about the Queer movement and just the whole far-left ideology in general, and I feel hopeless because I have no idea what to do about it or how to stop it. It's all very depressing.
Many have made the point that the transgender movement is also harmful to gay men & lesbians
Hang in there kingclover, the worm has turned, the tide is ebbing and, like catkins herald a new season, the signs show this movement is nearing its end. Spring is coming.
You just be you, the rest will catch up eventually❤
I'm with you, mate. Suggestion: join the LGB Alliance! I am setting up the French arm of the organisation. Find it online, join us, and let's get a divorce from alphabet soup people.
Right there with you, daughter raised by a single mom in the 70’s, mother to a lesbian, I feel like I have defend thé réal women of the 70’s who broke the glass ceiling and my lesbian daughter who was able to grow up in a world that accepted her now being told she has to accept male genitalia as lady dick ….seriously…..meanwhile millions of women are still being treated as less than men in countries that have no womens rights 😢
Fascinating subject, and isn’t Helen a delight! Great interview/discussion Andrew. Keep up the good work. Please!
The whole 'social construct' bit is such a sleight of hand. Sure, gender roles are socially constructed, the idea that men and women dress certain ways, choose certain lifestyles, etc. But if that is what they mean by 'gender' then 'trans people' are not trans-gender, they are trans-sexual. You can change your 'gender' in a social sense just by choosing to change your style, choose different jobs, play with different toys. Nothing of that requires a change in pronoun or surgery. A pronoun is a shortcut to refer to someone by their sexual characteristics, not by their 'identity'. If you have to correct someone's pronoun use, then pronouns no longer function linguistically. The whole point is 'I don't know your name possibly, or don't want to be so formal as to use it, but I can look at your sexual characteristics and refer to you as 'he' or 'her'. If I have to ask you first, or be 'corrected' on it, it's no longer a linguistic shortcut, it's now a landmine. And surgery has nothing to do with 'social constructs'... surgery is an attempt to change biology, and so is all about sex not gender (if we use the woke definition of gender).
if you're a guy(idk if you are or not) and someone keeps on calling you "she" and "girl" , wouldn't you correct them at some point?
@badunladun4203 Never had that problem, because I've never tried to claim that my sex doesn't match my biology. Pronouns only stop functioning correctly when you claim to be something that you are not. The things that are a 'social construct' can be changed without inventing pronouns. A man can become a primary caregiver for his children and his wife can pursue her career, which changes both of their societal gender roles, and nether have to change their pronouns or go get surgery.
@@taigenraine how can you agree gender is a spectrum(as you say about men taking care of children or whatever) and also completely deny biological males or females could perhaps fall on the completely opposite part of the spectrum and wish to live that life??
@badunladun4203 Sex is a binary, not a spectrum. Denying one's own biology is not an identity or a lifestyle. It is a delusion that causes deep trauma and confusion. The suicide rates prove that, as they are abnormally high even with surgery and hormone and affirmation. I do think that there are a rare few people who suffer from such a condition, and if their Healthcare professional after exhausting all other solutions believes transitioning as an adult is the best course of action, that is fine.
But the cultural push by the lgbtqia organization to encourage children to experiment with trans ideation has made way more then just a few question their biology, and we are seeing a terrifying rise in suicide rates as a result.
@@badunladun4203 Except no one would do that, unless they’re someone trying to make the same “point” you are. Someone could say the sky is green when it’s actually blue to make a point, but no one wouldn’t normally say that otherwise.
Helen is such a treasure. It’s the perfect example that you can be a good and reasonable person and still be against this stuff.
I never tire of hearing Helen Joyce speak on this issue, as she is such a rational, logical voice and we need more people like her to speak out. Thank you Helen Joyce and thank you Andrew Gold for this very interesting discussion.
Love Helen Joyce. She's smart, down to earth, and knows her stuff. I hugely, HUGELY appreciate her having researched all of this so that, when I talk to my fellow gay/bi folks, and well-meaning straight folks, I have my ducks in a row. I understand the arguments and I can articulate why all of this is absurd.
Thank you both for a funny and entertaining conversation.
Brilliant sane discussion. Really needed to hear a rational common sense discussion. I’ve been around a lot of abuse for most of my life and find it traumatic living in a world that’s constantly gaslighting everyone. It makes you want to stay away from people and isolate. So listening to a good truthful discussion was a relief.
Great interview !
Helen Joyce has helped me to clarify my thoughts and beliefs regarding this topical and controversial subject. So a big thank you to you both.
I could listen to Helen all day, she is wonderful 😊
As always, Helen Joyce is clear and brilliant, and I wish we heard more from her on MSM.
Reductio ad absurdem is WHERE WE ARE NOW. There are laws in California, Scotland, Canada, and some other countries that are as extreme and absurd as it can possibly get and there are still serious people seriously refusing to acknowledge how insane it is.
The unfortunate part is that Gen X, Boomer, and whats left of the Silent age dont quite understand that mainstream media cant be trusted anymore. Theyre used to consuming mainstream media out of long time habit, and dont understand MM has been bought by the libs of those countries. Theyre getting a constant "all of them vs me" perspective , and so this message is jammed down their throat that they must be the problem then, not logic and gut instinct.
So glad I’m not a teenager trying to figure who the hell I am in this day, I’d have almost certainly been offered “gender care” instead of my actual Dx of autism adhd. Thankfully my teens are not suffering from GD but I really feel for the confused and worried parents who Are going through this with their kids
It's more the child going through it with their parents. On the whole. Some don't have parents to go through it with.
Same here.
My best friend of 35 yrs has a son who has decided to identify as non-binary and I was told I had to refer to him as they, and when I said, I didn't agree to do that and would absolutely forget to because he looks like a male, although I sympathise with the struggle he was going through - I was verbally attacked in the most horrific way. She was normally a sensible person. In the end after trying to send me info for me to 'educate' myself on such matters - I held firm and she then ended our friendship. She lives in the USA and I have to say it's far worse over there than here in the UK. But then Americans are scared to say the word Christmas in case it offends someone. Yet in the UK we have all religions and nobody is offended by any religious festival.
@@sarahwhyld5596 First off, I can guarantee the vaste swathe of American culture has no issue with Christmas. They may have more people than we do saying others have an issue because they have more e.gs of our silly 'winterval' 'controversy' that wasn't and isn't a controversy at all.
I'd say, that if you and the other family disagree on this issue, there are many other issues you would disagree on and perhaps aren't as connected as you both thought you were. It is a good thing you separated friendship. You both can find 'better' friends. It's perhaps unfortunate you both don't see eye to eye. But it isn't necessarily a bad thing. You both don't see yourself as 'wrong'. This happens in life, unfortunately.
@@sarahwhyld5596 I've had long standing friendships dissipate over far less.
Wow! I just love this woman’s brain. Can’t wait to see this 😊😊😊
BRILLIANT INTERVIEW!!!!! WHAT A MIND!!! THANK YOU FOR THIS EPISODE!!!
I'm old, so hopefully I won't have to deal with this forever. I'm a 60's kid and for some reason we knew if you were a man or a woman, male or female. Now society has decided it is up for grabs depending on the day. I don't need to go to college to say male and female
You're doing truly excellent work with these interviews, Andrew. Hearing such sane and eloquent discussions is extremely reassuring in a time when madness has seemingly triumphed in so many areas.
They were saying gender is a social construct since the 1960's. John Money was one of the original advocates: his work has been repudiated, as victims of his therapy came forth with reports of his sexual abuse of them as children. But he published for 30 years and remains widely cited in gender studies.
It's the concept of gender that is a social construct. It's an invented category. Feminists used it after Money to subvert sex and queer activists took it further even at the expense of feminists. It's ideological not biology. They are trying to confuse us.
This is true. Modern gender theory is all based on the debunked work of a depraved pedophile. It's no surprise they're so interested in children.
Both boys are dead as well now, so his entire construct just collapsed… but the entire transgender community is build on this lies, failures and delusional ideas.
He may have been a POS, but that doesn't mean he is entirely wrong. He conflated gender and sex. Sex isn't a social construct, but gender is. As we rid ourselves of gender stereotypes, genders become labels for which the definition is ever shrinking.
Gender is a social construct. And the discussion is still dumbed down. Just because she has a maths PhD doesn't alter this. White feminism reeling off black civil rights in her list, whilst embracing anti-wokeism. Mediocre.
Queen Camilla needs to exercise her terf-power and give this woman a damehood.
I agree, yet you misspelled Adulteress..
@@olsim1730 WTF are you smoking?
But isn’t King Charles Uber liberal, so I’d assume he supports these types of philosophies.
I am always so much calmer after listening to any interview with Helen. She's so capable of encapsulating and pinning all of the key points - and then just dismantles them, brick by brick. What a gift.
Well done for getting Helen on. I've been watching all of Helen's CZcams and Podcast conversations, of which there have been many, since she first appeared on Benjamin Boyce before her book came out. I will only believe we are getting somewhere in this fight when I see Helen on the BBC. Not that I ever watch the BBC but that would be a significantl game changer. And the BBC know this.
Many, many thanks Andrew for Heretics.
You are doing the journalistic role that so many others are failing to do. This takes courage and a strong sense of commitment 💪
Bravo mate
Aussie Michele 🎉
Good interview. Nice flow and good questions. I was born 1980. Im last diagnosed autistic. As a child/ teen hated my body. Very much a tom boy, preferred boys, i think my mother as a left leaning woman that is very much a narcissist, if a teen today, i would have been encouraged to transition. I think people arent focusing on the parents. Particularly mothers that are narcissistic and or bpd. I really think many, not all, children are being encouraged by adults not just other children
Former "tomboy" here, never liked that term. Toads and salamanders were more interesting than Barbies. Climbing trees was peaceful. I would have been transed if this crap was going on in the 70s-80s.
Lol are you me? Same generation and situation. My mom used to literally say shed love it if one of us was gay. She also very much encouraged rebelliousness and going against the grain and doing whatever would make us happy. OMG cool parents, DO NOT parent this way, plz. A little structure and normalcy is ok.
@@CTScenic oh yes, my mother is vile, allowed my sister to date a 21 yo soldier when she was 13. Really encouraged us to be messed up. I used to say all the time i wanted to be a boy (cat & horse before that) she would have made me a jazz jennings asap to get herself famous and a fan club telling her how tolerant she is.
@@user-mz4in1hj9e that dating scenario sounds pretty bad. I wont say mom is vile, tho there were a few acts of such obliviousness that i could spin that way. More like misguided in most aspects. On the topic of gender roles, she was very much a self declared feminist and supportive of gender nonconformity (which is good...) but I think she also used feminism to justify stuff like not learning how to do a damn thing in a kitchen. Which might have been cool if dad was cooking or if she was fixing cars, but dad was dead and she cant do a damn thing with a car or a computer either.
Cooking and food are cool, eating is not gendered, and im so glad youtube is around to teach me whatever i need!
The lady in this vid makes some good sound points about stuff like clarifying the incidence and definition of intersex, and what it really means that embryos dont have differentiated sex organs at the start, but i thought she was being a bit of a dick making blanket statements against using a persons preferred pronouns.
@@CTScenicIf you encounter enough of the super-aggressive ones like the guy she described (at a recent debate they were both part of) in the fishnet tights flashing an entire audience, you’ll come to see that many, if not most of them have absolutely *no* respect whatsoever of actual women and are misogynists of the lowest type. You’re basically expecting her to ‘respect’ bullies.
I feel young, always have, but my 72 year old body tells me something else.
😂😂😂😂
Me as well I'm 63 but now I identify as 23 and I challenge anyone to tell me different.
This woman may be a mathematician, but she is also a wordsmith! ❤️
@@jarekjaskolska5703 The real problem is dealing with the socialist defense - not so much a debate as being fired, ostracized and even beaten up or killed. Thus why the Muslim counter-argument is so effective - mainly because it's so similar.
Logic permeates all disciplines.
No, she is just a bigot.
Just wanting to say im loving this Heretics podcast! Keep up the good work!
PS... this is where my thoughts on this issue have come a out over this past year but i feel too afraid to voice my opinions on this. Will definitely being having a read of Helen's book!
Helen Joyce never fails to explain in ways everyone can understand ❤
great conversation and GREAT JOB on the filming! light levels, focus, audio all really nice. I like the slider on the center cam. very professional!
Love this woman and her logic. I am a woman and will not move over for a man who thinks he wants my space.
SAME
Helen is always worth listening to, she's so articulate.
Tatchell doesn't understand that men and women's bodies are different shapes and their clothes are designed to fit those shapes. 🙄
Tatchell understands alright, he’s a weasel.
Sizes, generally, come in S M L XXL etc etc. bBoth Men and Women can fit into those categories.
@@matthewb9621you missed the entire point the OP made. Not size - but cut to fit body morphology. Basic tailoring/dressmaking/fashion.
@@justinludeman8424 I got the point. People come in all shapes and sizes, was my point. You can't say a particular size is masculine or feminine. A Trans person may have to change their sizing. But size is arbitrary not specific.
Matthew is full of very stupid takes on this thread. Me thinks he fancies a pair of balls.
As always, she maneuvers through our increasingly idiotic times. Kudos.
but still seemingly trusts the v@xx ??
@@magicphred what is V@xx?
I'm glad you're able to have people like Helen on now and you've gotten over your fear of the now utterly meaningless word "transphobic".
A lot to unpack but always a pleasure listening to Helen Joyce. Informative & thought provoking. As I was listening I just kept thinking of Thomas Sowell talking about how it takes way more effort to debunk a lie than to create one & from Mark Twain "Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience."
Something I've been thinking about is that if to get what you want you have to manipulate, intimidate or punish those who stand in your way, then what you want really only benefits you.
Helen never fails to impress, and what a great tribute to Maya. Total heroes both. 👏👏
A a female martial artist, I can strongly confirm the strength issue, and bone structure. When we break boards of wood, a man does it with a punch, while we women never do that, as the bones in our hands would shatter at that force. Instead, we break with a palm strike, which doesn’t carry the same risk of damage. We also have a much lower standard to meet ( e.g. if a man has to break 4 boards stacked together, his female counterpart only has to break 2).
If a teenager feels that they are the opposite sex, why would they need puberty blockers or invasive, life-long surgery? Teenagers are confused enough.
The title hooked me because I have been asking people, “Do you know the only kind of people that can become a trans woman? They expect me to insult their personality or their mental state, or expecting me to say something rude and ignorant. But no, my answer is so simple and true that they can’t dispute it. All I say is…”Men.”
The answer is simple my friend: nobody is becoming anything. They ARE trans women. :) Maybe try seeing this without the bias you are bringing to the table? I don’t mean that in a rude way. I just think you’d do well to examine why you never thought of it that way.
@@EffSharp Well, "trans" does denote movement of some kind, so it begs the question "from what and to what?" The language itself gives it away. Only males can be "transwomen." "Women" are, by definition, female.
Transwomen are men. Otherwise they'd just be women and no need for the 'trans' prefix, right...
@@EffSharp What bias are you talking about?
A Trans woman is a man, who identifies as a woman. It looks like CZcams deleted my last message as hate speech. There is no hate in my view, it’s simple biology and rational thinking. If you’re born a man, which is not a social construct, it’s basic biology; then you for one reason or another you “think” that your a female and you identify as such, it doesn’t change the fact that you were born male, and decided to “present” as a female in varying degrees, that you are now a woman. You use the prefix “trans” which basically verifies that a man, who transitions to being a woman is not a woman, but a “trans” woman. If they were real woman, the prefix would not be necessary now would it.
@@gisellemagraibhaigh8342 Exactly, the title is spot on, “Only a man can identify as a trans woman.”
All interviews with Helen are great because she is great but this was particularly good as you brought a slightly more personal and humorous tone to it (for both of you). Nice one.
I could listen to Helen all day every day! Excellent podcast. Thank you. 🙏❤
What a tremendous interview and to be able to breath a genuine sigh of relief for the discussion and points made and reaffirmed. Thank you.
She's right it's our chromosome's...how is it even a thing to not understand?
Just when you think you're losing your mind and the world is in a tailspin...here comes Helen Joyce on Andrew Gold with logic and facts and sense. Thank you, I was invested in this entire conversation.
You know who else has facts and could mop the floor woth this terf? NominalNaomi maybe you should hear what an eloquent and smart person who is actually trans has to say about it. Why would a ciswoman karen looking wants to see the manager ass have any insight into trans people
Do yourself and listen to actual trans people on these issues, not hateful terfs that purposefully misgender other human beings
As the youngest girl in a family of myself and five older brothers, I can afirm that the punch of a male is different from a girl/woman punch.
Are their cocks different? Do you let them run a train on you, or do you only allow one at a time?
As the youngest of 7 I had 3 older brothers and 3 older sisters so my sample is pretty balanced. Can confirm your findings.
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@@TheYuvimon As a mother if 5 children, I can say that the girls just never used violence as a way to solve their quarrels.
The boys were most likely to use their sheer advantage of size and strength to dominate another into submission.
Are you sure? All I see in movies now are women fighting 220 lbs male body builders, knocking them all over the room. 😂
It’s so refreshing to see someone argue from a reasoned standpoint and not just hysterical ravings out of passion.
I see Helen Joyce, I watch. I will never stop being inspired by Helen and being pushed to do my own activism in my country. As a woman, as a CSA survivor, as a lesbian, I am outraged by this disgraceful fetishist movement.
Im disgusted by sick freaks that want to assume someones private identity is a fetish. You sound ignorant and quite frankly youre probably the one with sexual issues
I’m hearing you👍🙂
This is how they used to describe gay people. That it was just a fetish, and that children were being groomed into it.
Do not realize that people used to say the same thing about gay people? They called them freaks (and still do) and think it's a fetish rather than just the way people are. By calling trans-people fetishist your playing into the same hateful rhetoric people used to say about you. I find it disgraceful that now that being gay has become more accepted gay people like yourself have decided to turn your back on other marginalized groups.
They used to say the same thing about gay people. They just swapped the group they're creating a social panic about.
I remember going to Copenhagen Pride 2017, and being shocked to see the sight of parents with their children as young as 5, in the vicinity of adults wearing bondage gear, 1 woman was wearing a very large strap on. To be honest both men and women were wearing some obscene clothing, it just baffles me why parents would take their kids to such events.
They're not parents, they are enablers and should be investigated.
Don't go to Japan. Penis parades. Don't go to America. Boobs out and fake balls on back of pick up trucks. Don't go to the beaches of Europe. Naked ladies. The thing is most kids don't know, don't care or it's normal so not sexualized like how adults would.
It's because unfortunately the kink community are just another group trying to push their inclusion in real LGB and a lot of the gay community are just as appalled. An increasing number of LGB want to separate the 'TQI+++++' from their name because the LGB part just want to live their life and the other part of it is ruining it for them.
Helen Joyce is one of the most intelligent, reasonable, and informed people on this topic. Wonderful interview.
How do you know you feel like a woman if you've never been one and have nothing to compare what you're feeling with actually being a woman with everything it includes, not just wearing feminine attire and over acting a feminine role no woman would ever feel the need to act out.
This woman has a brilliant mind and is so articulate.
Most people I know are articulate, including myself. I detest maths, and also sport. Football is crap.
well done both of you - really excellent - been following Helen's work for a while and always impressed - strangely hadn't picked up that she is a fellow mathematician which helps explain her laser-sharp intelligence and ability to ruthlessly apply logic to the absurdities that we are encountering from the behaviour of the more extreme trans lobby
Just wow! As always Helen is one of the leading voices in terms of a heavyweight rational, scientific thought leader who delivers every time. I learn more each time I hear here and I’ve read her book! An amazing interview and yes to Maya Forstater please Andrew!