Dieppe 1942 - Slaughter on the Shingle
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My father in law was taken prisoner at the raid on Dieppe. To this day he maintains that they were sacrificed and used as cannon fodder. He is still alive and was reluctant to discuss the experience as he spent 32 months in a German pow camp. Now 98, he has shared parts of the experience with us and our children. He is still very sharp and memories are still vivid. He was interviewed by the projet mémoire. Thank you for helping us to remember.
''We were very glad to go, we were delighted, we were up against a very difficult situation, and we didn't win. But to hell with this business of saying the generals done us dirt.''
- Lt. Col. Charles Cecil Merritt VC
Your father in law is correct...
@ "Merritt led his regiment [The South Saskatchewan Regiment] in the Dieppe raid on 19 August 1942. Before being taken as a prisoner of war, Merritt was wounded twice. For his extreme bravery and inspirational leadership under fire, Merritt was awarded the Victoria Cross."
Yea, real political guy ... I'd take his opinion over yours any day. What did you say your qualifications for passing judgement were ... ?
Edit : He'd long since left the army when the quote was made. I assume you took the trouble to read this man's citation for his Victoria Cross (you can find it in the London Gazette archives) before proceeding to attempt to belittle him and his views?
Gday mate
Hes correct used and left to die or worse...
The raid was stupid, idiotic. Simple as that. 5,000 land at Dieppe. Then what?? An idiots' raid.
Mark, here’s an interesting sidebar. My high school vice-principal, J.G.W. Mills, (a Canadian) participated in the raid. He told me a little bit about it one time. He was a radio operator who was landed one one of the flanking beaches. He was equipped with the radio, an Aldis Lamp and a revolver. His unit was making good progress, but as the raid progressed he began to hear over the radio that it was all going sideways, and everyone should return to the beach for extraction. He became terrified that he would be captured and the Germans would use his Aldis lamp to give false signals to the incoming rescue boats. So he threw it on the sand, drew his revolver, and shot the lamp four times. When he made it to the beach he was told the lamp was needed to signal the boats. In spite of reporting that he’d shot the lamp he was ordered to go and get it. After walking and finding it he discovered that his four bullets had merely pierced the sheet metal at the four corners of the battery box, and that the lamp worked perfectly. “I always thought they should have given me the Victoria Cross for being such a bad shot!” he laughed. Mills stayed in the Canadian Army (PPCLI) and got his commission. In Korea he was with 2PPCLI at the battle of Kapyong. He was mentioned in dispatches for ordering artillery fire directly onto his own position at the top of hill 677. Captain Mills was a pretty incredible person.
Wow thanks for this
Excellent story
Thank-you for sharing this! Hey Mark, this post needs your red star!!👍
Your Principal was Capt. Mills. I would have been a pain in his arse, as I would have always been in his office asking questions.
those old veterans had the hearts of lion and the strength of character you can only wish for these days,many an afternoon i sat in a hotel lounge listening quietly as they remenesed,surprisingly they all felt horrible to a man at taking the lives of the enemy,putting it down to foolish youthful bravado,tearing up at the talk of fallen friends,always warning us younger people to avoid war at all cost`s...they were truly unsung heroes that we sadly only remember on nov 11and i truly miss those old warriors and the stories of long ago escapades.....
My cousin was on the command ship. He made sure that I knew his story of Dieppe. He was deeply and humbly impressed at the bravery of the Canadians going ashore. He said that even when it was becoming clear it was a mess, the Canadians still got in the landing crafts and went ashore to join their fellow soldiers with the fight. He said two Canadians, pinned down on the beach for hours and watching their group get picked off, decided that swimming back out was their only option. They dumped their gear and started swimming towards the ships. They had almost made it and started floundering when a boat scooped them up and delivered them to the command ship. They were the only ones left of their group that had gone ashore. They were hypothermic and in shock, so they were given blankets and a pot of hot tea and jammed into the head next to the radio room. The head was a small room and they could warm up there. The Germans targeted the command ship radio room and a shell went crashing through were those two men were, tearing them apart. My cousin said that it was just their day to die. My cousin remarked that there was no doubt Canadians were extremely brave and did their bit. As my cousin is Scottish, he poured himself a whisky while telling me this story, while me being Canadian I got a beer as well as a whisky. He is long gone now but he looked me in the eye and implored me to tell anyone willing to listen this story of the brave Canadians that went to war.
Thank you for this. Their memory lives on
It's a shame we don't know their names. Prehaps someone does.
Amen 🙏
There is a church in Toronto that used to have the regimental flags of these different units hanging from the rafters. As many men in WW1 and 2 from that church died in the war. I was saddened a few years ago to find the flags removed and remembrance day activities with a military unit that had been done for decades stopped.
*The canadian nerd commenting on his 145th account*
I stood on that beach three years ago and it was absolutely heartbreaking. You could see how those rocks could grind a tank down, and the view toward the town and and surrounding cliffs left no doubt that these poor lads had no bloody chance. It was a senseless slaughter.
As a Canadian, Dieppe moved me even more than Juno, at least the boys there had a fighting chance.
May they rest in peace; I will be eternally grateful.
Fighting chance in Normandy? The emplacements there stored a few thousand rounds and in the action could not be resupplied. The Allies just had to absorb the bullets until the forts ran out. War is all about calculation.
Canadians have always stepped up to the plate and it looks to me like they were taken advantage of
@@johnhardin4358 Juno was backed up by the 21st Panzer division with 350 tanks, the 12th SS with 150 tanks
& 20,000 soldiers, and 3 battalions of 716th Infantry coastal defense division with 7700 soldiers. They had no shortage of ammo
I heard a story from a German who knew a German soldier who was at Dieppe. That soldier didn't feel good about fighting there because according to him those poor Canadians didn't have a chance.
Always beware politicians with an obsessive desire to 'do something' during an armed conflict.
Correction 'to be seen to be doing something' Not exactly the same.
@@kenvandeburgt1232 Yes, well picked up.
Its not just politicians its a certain weak minded segment of people who feel they "have to do something". I had one idiot sgt who would say you gotta do something even if its wrong. He got one promotion to sgt then the brass figured what dork he was and his upper mobility stopped.
You mean like Churchill?...thank god he did.
"Just as we are going to evaluate these experiences for the future so is the assaulting force ... perhaps even more so as it has gained the experience dearly. He will not do it like this a second time!" -
Videos like this is why CZcams is great. Too bad CZcams doesn't have the stones to promote content like this. Bravo sir.
This is why I love you tupe.
Well said from a great president from a Canadian liberated by Canadians in the north of Holland very near the end of the war. We had the privilege to have them stay in our house.
@@Soltra45 Mark puts up some very rare content. Many classic documentaries and content creators have been scrubbed which made this company what it was. But now these great classics are showing up on Bitchute etc. for instance the 4 hour long, "The Greatest Story Never Told". which is the German version of WW2. I have noticed they promote everything everyone quit watching such as late night shows which they themselves have destroyed. There will never be another Johnny Carson. Also msm with no viewership such as msmbc and cnn have the Food Channel beating their ratings. The great utube days are long gone as we move to new platforms. Now to find a streaming company with good content is even tough, like what's happened to the content on Netflix and Hulu. I don't think hiring unemployed gender study graduates to pick your movie selection for your platform is a good idea. As long as hollyweird keeps putting out garbage the public will keep letting them know what they think our wallets. Sorry for carrying on like this on Mark's comment section but his channel is one of a handful left that are awesome. Just think if a lot of these WW2 and other war documentaries had been edited and narrated by Mark, wow.
Or even monetise videos like this. Never mind they’ll be over taken soon
You tube is run by liberal trash that hate history! They hate history because liberals always make the wrong decisions so of course they need to suppress it.
with his endless stream of WWII documentaries, Mark Felton, has, single handed, stopped 50% of the UK population from going round the bend in Covid Lockdown. Great work !
A fair percentage of Americans too. ;)
And atleast one German :)
Brian, it's often said that every third person out there is stark raving mad.
Fortunately, there are only two of us.
And Australians. Too bad covid and lockdowns are a massive fucken scam
I've met several people who enjoy it here in Canada also.
My father and uncle were in this raid. My uncle, a lieutenant, was KIA at the age of 24. My father, a major, ended up as a guest of the Germans for 2 1/2 years until the war's end.
I live in Dieppe and i think this is sad that we aren’t teach more about this raid, only my grandma told some story of her father
I as a Canadian visited Dieppe to see where my countrymen died. It was a sad visit for sure.
@@bruce8321 It wasnt for Nothing,Thanks and Honor to Canada.❤✌
Tell more people in your town of Dieppe about it when you have the chance
Noe Ouvry salut. I am a Brit and worked in France often, lived there too. I was in Cambrai for work. a young hotel receptionist guy when I was checking out v early one winter morning was making conversation, said there is nothing interesting in Cambrai (I speak v good French) so I said well there is the countryside, the town buildings, the history, also the battlefields etc he had no idea about any interesting history. I said it’s the first place tanks were used, WW1, although it’s not a happy history. he had no idea at all. I thought he was joking but he was young and very hippy and I think it was true. I said he’s not missing anything I suppose if he’s not interested. Later on I saw a tank on a plinth so someone remembers!
MANY teachers these days in Europe are Communists or Social Democrats so they will suppress any mention of ANGLOS sacrificing themselves to help France, only Russia and the Maquis are mentioned as the "Saviors of Europe"...
My good friend here in Calgary, Bill Stewart was the driver of Bert no# 6. Bill will be turning 98 here in April. Heard many stories over beer at the legion. Bill is a strong and humble man. God bless you Bill and thank you.
White Crane Scissors god bless his soul 🇨🇦
God bless him. Buy him a beer on behalf of this Aussie.
Did he do D-Day as well?
@Private Account Please, let me return the favour. As a Canadian who is a casual WW2 buff I know the debt that we owe to the Aussies, NZ, Rhodesians, South Africans - if I have missed any I apologize. Much really awful and dirty fighting in the Pacific and Africa.
Thanks to you all.
@@guywerry6614 Don't forget soldiers from India .
I learned about Dieppe at school as a Canadian, and I’ve read a bit as a history buff and this is the first time I’ve heard that the reason for Dieppe was to draw the Luftwaffe into a large aerial showdown ! Thanks!
Dear David Mulhall, there were other reasons for the raid. A Canadian military historian ( last name O'KEEFE, first name David , l believe) did an investigative documentary that uncovered that a special British Intelligence Unit, which James Bond author Ian Fleming was high up in, was wanting to capture a top secret German coding machine , known as the Enigma, from a secret location in Dieppe. Accordingly to Mr. O'Keefe, Ian Fleming was waiting in the Dieppe harbour for the machine.
My father John McMaster Boyd was on this raid with number 4 Commando. He was wounded in the dunes and taken prisoner. He never talked much about the raid other than the Germans were waiting for them. After he passed I started a Family tree. I was contacted by a ex Liverpool Fireman who was researching those Cammndos that were KIA, Wounded and sent me documents about my Dad. My Dad served his whole life in the Army serving in many trouble spots around the world ending up serving in Ulstet his home Country. He always looked after the weak and those in need he was a protector all his life. He always taught us how to look after ourselves and respect others. Reading his records it was clear he was under age and that the Deppie Raid and POW experience had a profound impack on his life. We lived in Canada for 2 years and I think this was due to Dieppe. Respect to all those men who fought be side each other on this terrible raid We will Remember Them All.
Dear Dennis Boyd, thank you the great story of your Dad
Shoot. Gordon Lightfoot should have wrote a song about this.
I knew an old gentleman who survived this raid. I used to buy him a drink every Remembrance Day that I ran in to him. As is typical, he never spoke of it but once at a ceremony he met a man whose life he had saved. It was an emotional reunion. They no doubt discussed their experiences that day. After all, words are useless without shared experience.
Not always, but how did that topic come up with the old man?
You really can’t imagine how stressful and horrible that experience must have been. I mean just look at the losses. Immense
Hmmmm, some of them old salts would tell you if you had asked....it depended on HOW you asked, genuine interest they liked, reporter types....never....usually when a bunch of old soldiers drank together, you couldn't shut em up....ANZAC day years ago, had to be seen to believed, these days it has become a family affair as they are mosly all gone.
@@scottleft3672 Hear Hear. RIP old diggers, your contribution shall never be forgotten, thanks to your sacrifice we still speak English, not German or Japanese.
@@scottleft3672 Went to a regimental reunion in the 70's and the Dieppe veterans sat at a table and kept to themselves. I was a kid and we did most jaw flapping, maybe it's different down under:)
Mark Felton for History channel chairman
Goals:
A. Get actual history shows on there
B. Tell the ice road truckers to seek warmer climates
Unfortunately the History channel is not savable, it just needs shut down. The only decent US channel that isn't obsessed with aliens and other pseudoscience is PBS, a truly great channel that needs love.
Check out Magellen and Curiosity stream both are subscription but worth it.
@@archstanton1628 history channel was really fun to watch with "modern marvels" in the early 2000's. I remember avidly watching it when I was in grade school.
The curse of oak island is that it is still on tv.
According to Justin Trudeau all they have to do is stay right where they are and wait a few years.
As a schoolboy in Hamilton, Ontario, almost everyone knew someone who'd lost their father at Dieppe. If Mountbatten had shown his arrogant royal face in Canada, he risked being torn to pieces. No one wept when the IRA blew him up on his yacht.
My wife's uncle escaped by stripping down and running into the water. All around him, swimming comrades were drowned or shot but he made it back unscathed and was in fierce fighting for the rest of the war.
The only positive outcome of Dieppe was that Mountbatten was excluded from the planning of D-Day, or he would have made a shitshow of that, too.
Pressured to do so by YOUR Canadian government as it was clearly stated here..but hey ignore the facts to appease your feelings
aye i believe mountbatten was a total Smeghead
@@spm36 the British also promised naval and air support that disappeared after the troops were committed..
Well for what it's worth, I can tell you as an Irishman, no one wept over here either when he was blown to pieces off the coast of Mullaghmore by the Provisional IRA.
Are you saying your wife’s uncle stripped down and swam across The Channel to continue the war?
We in the United States are seldom informed of how our Canadian allies (who entered WWII shortly after it began) fought so bravely, particularly at Dieppe. Thank you, Mark, for this video; and thank you, Canada, for your part in the war effort.
Like you hint at, Canada, along with South Africa, Australia, New Zealand, and India, all declared war on Germany within two days of the British declaration. That was in, for Canada, 7 days after Britain's. South Africa was the 11th June 1940. All of which certainly seemed to support the thought that the US was more interested in supplying both sides as long as it could. Only when the U-boats started the indiscriminant attacks on every ship did the US start to shift away from supplying both sides. And only after the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbour did the US start to think about war with Japan, not Germany and Italy. If Hitler hadn't declared war on the US, then the US would never have voluntarily declared war on Germany. Your brave nation didn't get involved in any war until over two years later than the brave countries who were fighting from 1939. Even Cuba got involved before you did.
So all the still non independent parts of the British Empire and the other countries directly dependant on Britain decided to do what Britain did? Wow how brave and unexpected! (Which century were we talking about again, I already forgot?)🤦♂️ And what exactly was the USA exporting to the German military in 1940-1942? Weapons? Explosives? Food? Machinery for expanding aircraft/vehicle/ammunition and artillery production? Because I think that's the type of material that was being delivered to the British side by them... However I haven't seen many pictures of Germans running around with Pattern 14 Enfields chambered in 8mm Mauser 🤔 🤷♂️ Maybe you are thinking of the Swiss supplying "both sides" and everyone is still waiting on them to pick a side... Even today 🤣 I guess if you bankroll both teams you can never really lose 🤨
@@berryreading4809 Grow up! Have you forgotten the First Line of your Constitution? "Anything that makes a buck is legal, even if it is stolen, or you kill to get it". The Ultra Secure Asylum was notorious for supplying metals, oil, fuel, and wood to Germany, while at the same time, telling the British that it wasn't happening. It seems that you Trumpanzees have fallen for the same lie.
@@Demun1649 I'm completely lost in what you are talking about,l but judging from this response I'm guessing you must be an American who also thinks everyone else is an American? Farewell and good luck to you and your future youtube comment section pursuits 👍
From me & l sure others in Canada, thank you Joseph O'Shea
I had the great pleasure of meeting one of the tank comanders from Alberta at the Calgary war museum in 2014 i believe. He told me that his tracks broke due to all the stones. He said he knew he was a sitting duck so he fired off all his ammo so he would be less explosive when he was he eventually hit. He said the tank was full of smoke and guys were trying to get in to save themselves.
He told me the young German he surrendered to was holding a pistol and shaking. He thought that was it.
In the museum there are pics of the Canadian prisoners marching through dieppe. The old man points to a couple and says, "there's me, amd there's me again".
It was just absolutely amazing.
I'll never forget that.
Great museum! I got to chat with a cold war fighter pilot! It seems like they treat us with some interesting volunteers. If you see an old person in a military museum try to wander their direction and you might hear some amazing personal history
What. museum?
Ive read about the Dieppe raid several times but I was never aware of it being part of a plan to provoke a major air battle, I always learn something with these videos.
Yes, this is my skeptical look with that claim. I've read a few RAF and RCAF fighter pilot memoirs which cover this period, and none of them ever suggested they were looking for things to do. "Flower" and "Rhubarb" missions over occupied territory were frequent and hair-raising.
It’s one of the vague and puzzling objectives attached to the raid.
In 1942 the RAF was limited to small short range fighters. Even though Dieppe is just across the channel, spitfires had as little as 10min over the battle before they had to head back for fuel.
The predictable result was a reverse of the Battle of Britain. The Germans now could quickly land to rearm/refuel which gave them local numerical superiority compared to the RAF who had to work in relays and if damaged were unlikely to get home.
@@jonsmitt9769 I was under the impression that the RAF Spitfires & Hurricane fighters had a much better range than the Bf-109's ?
Too much over stating in the UK of how wonderful the spitfire was, when the reality is it was no better a fighter aircraft at the time than the Luftwaffe had. This video shows that. Much of the success of the spitfire in the battle of Britain was due to poor Luftwaffe tactics and lack of perseverance. i.e. had the Luftwaffe continued for a couple of more weeks or so, the Luftwaffe probably would have come out better due to unsustainable attrition on the RAF (aircraft, pilots and airfields). The merlin engine was the real jewel as demonstrated later in the Mustang .
With the Germans ready waiting for them it was amazing any of them got off the beach into the town at all. Most Canadians believed Mountbatten knew the operation was compromised but sent them anyway, he was a very hated man in many Canadian circles.
and once again I learn more in 10 minutes about Dieppe than a year of the History Channel...well done.
Never realised Dieppe was such a large scale operation, great video as usual.
Well too allied troops was number at 1520 total so make sense that it goes unnoticed as well as the fact the mission failed..
It’s not a story allied command would tell you
It was a horrific mission...
The British used Canadians as cannon fauther....
The mission was also leaked few days before ...
Much of the poor planning and mistakes days before was left out of the story.
@@Souleman561 Of the 6,086 men who landed, within ten hours, 3,623 had been killed, wounded or became prisoners of war.
@michael dowson - I’ve just looked this up and it is not believed to be the case.
My grandfather fought in this battle. He was apart of the unit who's job it was to capture the Casino, this was done successfully however seeing reinforcements arriving he ran back to the beach and was able to get back into the landing craft and escape. He still had the bottle of alcohol he took from the Casino till the day he died.
Do you have that bottle still?
The bottle needs to be a heirloom, it must not be forgotten
Good Lad Grandpa!
I live in Berneval and m'y grand farmer looks the raid
@@visionist7 my father is working on piecing everything together! Including an in depth story and posting it to a Veterans page somewhere. I don't believe much of his war memorabilia was found as he hated the war a lot. I'll be sure to ask around and see if the bottle was recovered after his death!
My great uncle was a company sergeant major in the South Saskatchewan Rifles, one of the regiments tasked to the raid. He however was tapped about a month before the raid to be trained as an officer and dodged that bullet, returning to Europe after D-Day to fight his way across Europe and ending the war as a captain.
Went to Dieppe in the 90s. A beach of heavy pebbles that was difficult to walk on. High cliffs all around. The German machine gun emplacements can still be seen. The whole place looked like a kill zone to my untrained eyes. If ever you wanted to send soldiers into an unwinable meat grinder, that was the place…
My father was there. Royal Regiment of Canada. Blue Beach. 97% casualties. For the longest time, we could not figure out why a private would spend 2 years, 11 months and 1 day in Stalag 9C, because that prison was for officers. But he'd been wounded pretty bad and Stalag 9C was the closest prison to the hospital he'd been in. In 2017 I was speaking with some people who belong to a Dieppe veterans group and Dad's description of where he'd been taken after the fighting on the 19th came up. Dad always maintained that they were put in a tennis court. This gentleman I was talking with went to Dieppe that summer for the 75th anniversary and he sent me text message saying, "Its still here. I get it. Its not a tennis court but it looks like one." So Dad's memory had been right. He tried to escape three times... once while he was working in a mine. Once, he and a buddy rolled off the side of a cliff while on the way to the mine. He got caught both times. The third time was the night of The Great Escape. The official history of the Royal Regiment of Canada shows that three Canadian enlisted men went out that night and he was one of them. He was within sight of the Swiss border when the dogs found him. I am often asked as a photographer, if I could take one photograph at any point in history, what would I photograph? There are no known photographs of my father in combat. Even knowing what that day was like, I would choose to be there to take one photo of him. He wouldn't want me too, but I would.
Richard Dupuis Thank you for sharing this. You must be very proud of your Dad, and rightly so.
I have to say, I’ve learnt more from the comments section in Mark’s videos than a lifetime’s subscription to the discovery channel!
@eric kowalski And the Canadians paid for it. Or at least the Germans tried. Every day the Germans shackled the hands of the Canadian prisoners (at least at Stalag 9C) and the shackles did not come off until lights out. That was in retaliation for the binding of prisoners by the Canadians. Don't be too proud? That's seriously what you have to say about the men who fought in WW2? I'd tell you what I think of you but I wouldn't want to ruin Mr Felton's rating here.
@eric kowalski Bud get your head out your ass and think about what you are saying for a few minutes
I've had the honour to know Ken Curry, one of the members of the RHLI captured in Dieppe most of my life. He now lives in Victoria BC, and is the last surviving member of the regiment who participated in the raid. Every year, on the 19th of August, there is a candlelight vigil held at the Dieppe Memorial site located on the beach strip in Hamilton. When Major Curry is able to attend, he arrives with a full motorcycle escort, and he is treated like royalty. He is such a kind and gentle man, and he once said to me, Everyone says I am a Hero, but I didn't do anything that special. I am grateful for his influence and his respect.
Johnny Truth I was in the RHLI at the end of the 80’s and recall a veteran come into the Jr Ranks Mess. We were always happy to see veterans and I asked him about his time in the Rileys. He said he was at Dieppe, and that he hoped I would never have to do that. Then he changed the subject.
Johnny Truth, thanks for telling that story, so glad to hear he is treated like royalty.
Four Canadian boys did a post war tour of England and Europe. They were sitting in a restaurant in Dieppe discussing whether they would have something to eat or buy passage back to England when the woman running the restaurant walked over and said "No Canadian pays here"
Really nice story
@@EndOfSmallSanctuary97 Yes it is, just that no doubt a story (would love it to be true)
Ge Gwen it’s a nice story but probably not true. Have heard the same thing but with Australians; in Normandy in this version.
@@MrPancake777 Since this was told to me by my brother, who was there, I'll go with him. And who is this Clare person?
@@MrPancake777 And then they all clapped
I had a relative who survived this. He lived the rest of his days as a hermit in the Canadian wilderness, traumatized. Terrible.
Thank you for your great video on Dieppe - it's often overlooked.
How many German babies did he kill?
@@fritzkralle4689 How many did your Nazi ancestors kill?
@@davidlynch9049 Not enough.
@@fritzkralle4689 Apparently he missed your dad
Canadians saved my Father at the bulge , he was in the Gordan Highlanders and fell to an anti personal mine , he took a long time to crawl of to a road where a Canadian group of guys carried him to a field hospital . his leg was promptly amputated . He was a stoic English man and disliked the yanks for reasons I took many years to fathom, but had a deep respect for Canadians .
My Uncle was in that raid. He was shot in the arm and had it amputated by a German Doctor on a flat bed train car with a stick to bite on, to deal with the pain of the crude surgery. He then clung to life in a prisoner of war camp until a prisoner of war exchange took him out of the war.
Orsome ! . My condolences and utmost respect.
holy....that's terrible.....
RESPECT!
Heard many stories of 'opposing' docters helping each other out. Very cool.
@das wright I may have to.
Dieppe was the single most costly day in the second world war for Canada.. it’s the battle that still haunts us today... never forget those brave souls that day.
Yank here. Several weeks ago I gave my boss and a coworker a good dressing down after overhearing them ruminating on whether Canada had "ever been in any wars?" I was like "are you kidding me?". Their heads are full of useless sports trivia but of course they know next to nothing about history including that of our brave allies.
@@vitis65 Brutal. Canadians joined both world wars before the Americans did even.
Without Dieppe the Normandy landings would have met the same fate. Eisenhower, who had no significant part in the Dieppe raid, saw the critical lessons: No invasion without command of the air; absolute secrecy and tactics of deception (inflatable tanks, etc., at Dover); a massive naval bombardment; cooperation with the French resistance.
@@vitis65 tell them of the war when canda burned down the white House. Greatest moment in canadian history
@@noone3272 LOL. 1812 was a real Jekyll and Hyde performance by the US military. Embarassing on land (battle of New Orleans excepted) but shocked Britain with many victories at sea and on the Great Lakes.
I’d also heard somewhere that the Dieppe Raid provided cover for a commando operation that managed to sieze a treasure trove of intel, including a functional enigma machine. One of those alleged to be involved was Ian Flemming, the future author of the James Bond novel series (among others).
I heard the Enigma was an objective, that Fleming was involved but the Enigma was not captured. Though in chapter 41 of "A man called intrepid" there is described 2 other secret objectives: rescuing captured French intelligence chiefs and capturing the latest german radar technology. Britain's tech was ahead of Germany's but command didn't know what Germany's capability was. Two british radar experts joined in the raid and had body guards who were ordered to shoot the experts if they were at risk of capture.
@@BenWeeks-ca small world. my buddies uncle was born in Mexico and is now back in Canada. His father worked for Intrepid in Mexico!!
Z3r0, yes , that's what they were after, & the operation included Bond author Ian Fleming. I'm curious, did they actually get it?
Dear Ben Weeks, thanks so much for your info, you answered one my questions( about the Enigma machine)
@@robertbruce1887 I believe they did get SOMETHING, but maybe not an intact machine.
My Grandmothers cousin fought in Dieppe, my Grandfather was also a veteran and fought with the First Canadian Division, he told me every winter her cousin would have to go the Dr. and get his armpit drained because he had a piece of shrapnel in his side that they couldn’t get out or it would kill him, it would get infected every winter and had to be drained.
Ryan Daly, sad to hear your Grandmother's cousin had to suffer the rest of his life with that war injury.
The generals never take responsibility for their screw-ups.
So the great man Ch
Winston Churchill said this was justified great talk as long as you are not there all bulls hit talk
Not a great fan of either, I am well aware that one saw Australians as cannon fodder & the other was a pedo. Rule Britannia
it wasn't a screw up
it was a suicide mission to test for strength and weak spots in enemy defense (and your own units)
as grimm as it is, that's what officers have to do.
bring 1 in danger (and most likely killed) to make the (rather save) way for the other soldiers to advance.
@Keith Christie Correct!
@@lespectator4962 "Why didn't they put up a determined struggle?" You're not serious, right?
It's frequently occurred to me (and I'm a Brit) that Mountbatten was a bit of a twat.
My father used to meet/greet him when he flew into Northern Ireland, let’s just say he was considered by all to be one arrogant SOB! Apparently one day his dog ran off and Mountbatten lost the plot, apparently it wasn’t only his blood that was blue! The dog turned up a few weeks later looking all the better for it’s holiday! 😂
British understatement.
“ a bit of a twat “ ???
@@andreraymond6860 I'm only an immigrant but I think 'bit of a twat' is a worse insult than 'twat'. I may be wrong.
The Canadian government volunteered their troops, a decision they must have regretted. It was an invasion on the cheap and Germany was still very powerful. Blame Churchill if anyone.
My uncle Ken Richardson went in with the Royal Marines, got ashore, and had to swim back out to sea. He was picked up by a destroyer. Some of his experiences are recounted in the book The Dieppe Raid, by Robin Neillands. He continued to serve with No. 40 Royal Marine Commando until being severely wounded in Italy at the battle of Termoli in 1943, which knocked him out of the war. He lived to the age of 92, raising a family in Kilmarnock. One of the finest men I've ever known, he is greatly missed by the family. I spent Remembrance Day with him at his home in 2011, which is one of my fondest memories.
My great uncle fought and died on Dieppe with the RHLI. He never saw his 19th birthday.
So much arrogance from higher ups ended up throwing these eager young men into a wood chipper... still hurts to this day.
Someday I hope to go visit him at Bologne-sur-Mer.
Thank you, thank you Mark for covering this!
As a volunteer at the Calgary Military Museum, home of the Calgary Tank Regiment, I am glad that this raid is covered by your channel, and remember the sacrificed of the 14th Army Tank Regiment on that day, many of whom went to POW camp afterward.
i'll have to come visit your museum sometime. I'm in Vancouver :)
My Dad was with the Calgary Tanks in WW2, and I am a close friend of the Museum's Curator (Col R Boehli, Ret). My Dad's Uniform is on display there. He joined shortly after the raid, but he knew most of the guys who made it back after the raid, as well as most who survived the POW Camps. I wasn't surprised to find out that the whole thing was a cover to the REAL operation - which was to try to capture a new (4-rotor) Naval Enigma machine, as I always suspected there MUST be some underlying reason to KNOWINGLY set up a raid that you KNEW was going to fail. If the Enigma "snatch" had succeeded, though, it would probably have shortened the war by 6-8 months, and saved THOUSANDS of lives. Unfortunately, in wartime, sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, and this time was a loss. Many paid the ultimate sacrifice, many were injured and many spent the rest of the war in POW Camps. But they TRIED, and they made the attempt! They were ALL Heroes! From One Veteran to all those who preceded me.... I Salute you!
I love the museum! The staff seems more interested in history and respect than getting money as most Alberta attractions focus on now. It's a shame it isn't completely free though. History should be for the poor too but Ralph Klein put an end to free museums in Alberta. I'd go more often if I wasn't on the far side of town. I had the pleasure of talking to a volunteer cold war fighter pilot. He had amazing stories!
My Grandfather fought at Dieppe with the RHLI and was one of the few to get back to England! I joined that same unit myself in the 1980s🇨🇦
My father, born in 1935, was part of the RHLI youth parade band in Hamilton, he played the glockenspiel! Later he somehow came to possess a large genuine Nazi flag which he donated to the RHLI museum.
My father kept an old newspaper framed about Dieppe that read "Canadian Troops Lead Great Commando Raid," he was a veteran of the youthful forces
Institutions will always seek to put a positive gloss on a major tragedy, and to suggest that Dieppe was in any way successful as a vital stepping stone to Normandy is akin to alleging that the Titanic disaster was an important milestone in passenger ship design- Peter Caddick-Adams - Sand & Steel A new history of D-Day.
You don't think that's true? In life, more is learnt from failure than success, however bitter that may seem.
@@granitesevan6243 I believe it is true that important lessons were learnt - but it is also true that the people in charge are using this as an excuse to cover their incompetence and put a positive spin on events.
@@2862WU it's the British way, my friend. Shame it costs lives 😔
Many years ago, I met a Ranger veteran from this landing. He said the most annoying part of the whole thing was even back then, nobody believed him when he said he did a landing in France that early.
what a clusterfack .commanders being cavalier with grunts lives. god rest your souls gallant fighting men
In the Northern Sky Documentary. Dieepe Uncovered showed that.
After the Raid at St Nazaire in March, where they ran the obsolete destroyer HMS Cambletown into the Drydocks to stop the possibility of the Germans using the drydocks for the Tirpitz or other German Battleships. During this time the Germans were using a 3 Rotary Enigma machine that the British had already broken the codes for. After the St Nazaire Raid the Germans switched to a 4 Rotary machine for encryption
The main focus of the Dieppe raid as it turns out was to seize a German 4 Rotary Enigma machine and the code books that were held at German naval HQ in Dieppe.
Everything else was a Deception and as a Diversion. There were things the British learned about from after the Raid was completed
The main focus was to again sail a destroyer into Dieppe Harbour but this time instead of blowing up the ship disabling the dock facilities (that would have happened later.). the Force on board the ship would Demount and then would seize the Documents/ any German naval Prisoners and the 4 Rotar enigma machine while destroying the HQ building so the Germans would never know..
This however never happened as the ship was turned away twice on it's runs into Dieppe harbor.
Very Fascinating watch if you get the chance Mark.
I wrote many papers on this topic in University. but then this came out and finally the Raid made sense. The Sacrifice they felt was worth getting a 4 Rotar Enigma machine and all the code books Then destroying the German HQ building under the cover of the Raid itself.
So far, I've heard the "real" reason for the Dieppe raid was because of the following: 1.) Practice for the future, collect intelligence and propaganda, 2.) To provide distraction for an important convoy going (I think?) through Gibraltar, 3.) Provoke an air battle with the Luftwaffe, and now 4.) capture a new 4-rotor Enigma. Of all these probably 4. (Enigma grab) would be the most important. I think the raid wasn't for any one clear reason; more like they had a few important tasks that if they couldn't be carried out this mission they could be done some other time, plus they could always find other uses for the mission, even if mostly coincidental.
Dear John H, you know the story very well, happy to have learned from what you sent.
My father was in this battle, he was on M/L,s he never went into details apart from a disaster,but a learning curve for D day,he spoke fondly of the Canadian lads
Dear Steve Wright, thank you for passing that on.
A story every Canadian knew when I was growing up. "DIEPPE"... often just said as a single word followed by silence.
Gallipoli, used to have a similar effect here in Australia.
Even Bernard Montgomery said it was a decision “that I myself would not agree.” He later burned all his papers regarding Dieppe according to his biographer so that he would not be implicated. British military historian John Keegan called it a “hair-brained enterprise.” Show me one similar amphibious assault of this magnitude during the war where the tactical objective was to learn some lessons.
Sorry,” I should not myself have agreed.” Slightly misquoted old Monty.
@@Chiller01 but ask yourself, did the Americans at Omaha learn anything from Dieppe, I personally think not.
Sadly, when I was at Dieppe Canadian War Cemetery there was nobody there. So when a young couple, who were reporters from CHEX Hamilton wanted to ask Canadians 'why they were there?' I was the only young person they could talk to. That was in August of 2005.
Thank you Mark Felton. My father, Andrew Jackson Bird, was an American who served with the Essex Scottish unit that landed at Red Beach. Somehow, he managed to survive. He never got off the beach. He not only survived the battle, but also managed to survive nearly three years of captivity in a series of POW Camps before he was liberated near Hamburg, Germany following the Long March. I was born more than 20-years after this battle took place. As more time passes, I fully begin recognize the incredible sacrifice my father, and so many others around him, made in the fight against Fascism.
@rusty shackleford that's very true
he was an American that served in a Canadian unit ?
Growing up in Toronto, my mom (British immigrant) was a huge royalist. Except when it came to Mountbatten, whose name wasn't mentioned.
This is a brilliantly broad and deep analysis. Events mean nothing without the broader picture. Well done Mark
Dr Felton.I sure would like to see a more detailed account of the Dieppe air battle being there is so little concrete information available..I feel if anyone is up to the task it must certainly be you.Thanks again for your outstanding content.
There's quite a bit of information available.
Essentially the Brit planners closed there eyes and ears to reality, not wanting it to ruin a lovely plan.
RAF squadrons had been reporting on the FW190s abilities for quite a while, they were Initially ignored but the "stopgap" mk9 spit was developed, there were six squadrons at Dieppe.
MkVs at max range were never going to win a great battle.
It was the BoB in reverse.
Lots of bad reasons for the raid culminated into it being carried out.
Fortunately they did learn lessons from the raid, also gave the Germans some reassurance as to allied ineptitude and poor equipment
@@garyhewitt489 Wait, the RAF was using the outclassed Mk V at the edge of their range against German FW 190's operating close to home?
BoB in reverse or worse.
@@markfryer9880 they used 74 squadrons @dieppe 66 were fighter squadrons 6 were mk 9s.
All at extreme range, some reportedly had as little as 5 mins over the battlefield.
Worse than the BoB
In the BoB the 109 was comparable, some ways superior, others not as good to the RAF fighters.
At Dieppe only the mk9 were comparable. The Mk5 was outclassed, the hurricanes were used for ground attack but useless against a 109, the Mustangs were used for low level intruder work and down on the deck pretty fast but no good at height.
So the RAF was up against it in this operation.
It was not a time or place they would have chosen to have a battle
I recommend you read 'Unauthorized Action: Mountbatten and the Dieppe Raid' by Brian Lorring Villa. It explains the immense political pressure that resulted in the decision to go ahead with an operation that was deeply conceptually flawed. It also debunks the 'lessons learned' myth that was spun in the aftermath of the catastrophe.
@Alexander Challis As far as I am aware there were no Canadians in North Africa
My great Grandfather was a Tank gunner and got his tank knocked out right out of the Gate. He was captured and didn’t get freed till 45
They sure don't look happy in the clip.
scott left he was happy when Mouthbouton died
@@Bluewah96 And the child with him?
Bummer
While I do not want to contradict any personal feelings about the consequences of the landing, I would ask those viewers with an open mind to consider some of the facts that are highlighted by Mark:
1. Stalin had requested the opening of a second front to relieve the pressure on the Russians. You can imagine that it was not a polite, gentle suggestion.
2. The allies needed to have an opportunity to destroy large numbers of German planes.
3. Only 25 years previously, during the First World War, the Canadians had proved themselves to be well trained crack troops upon arrival in Europe. Also Canada asked for their troops to be given some action. Mark states that these troops were not well trained which may have surprised a lot of people.
4. Double agents had tipped off the Germans so losing the element of surprise, a fundamental requirement for such an enterprise.
As Mark points out, the Dieppe raid gave many important lessons in a new style of warfare. This was the FIRST amphibious landing of its type since Gallipoli. All subsequent amphibious landings were unqualified successes because they had the ability to learn from this one.
The battle of the Somme was affected by many similar problems, new style of warfare, requirements by the French to make an attack somewhere not of British choosing and then a failure by the French to attack in the area of support of the British - OK, Stalin was hardly likely to rush to the French coast to assist, but the point is that wars of this scale need to be seen in the wider context. Also, a lot of lessons were learned there that are still doctrine today.
It is very easy for us to criticise all these years later with the benefit of hindsight and experience of later successes.
I am sorry if I offend those who have a personal interest in their perceived views. I am not aiming this at you. You have good reasons for your views and I respect that.
"20 years previously",what military action by Canadian forces are you referring to?The majority of the Canadian troops involved at Dieppe were not "well trained crack troops" but freshly recruited soldiers with no combat experience other than punch-ups with the locals.
There was no proper feasibility study made of the practical problems facing the landing forces like the gradient and composition of the beach nor of the strength and depth of German defences.
Not much hindsight appeared to have been brought to bear from Churchill who had been responsible for the Gallipoli fiasco which suffered from the same lack of proper planning and relied on gallantry and esprit de corps which in both cases were shown to be inadequate against barbed wire,machine guns and well dug-in defenders.
Thank you for this. You're so right. Unfortunately people forget what a desperate time it was. And mistakes happen. Disasters happen. The important thing is to learn from them, and the British/Commonwealth DID learn. A lot.
@@christopherfranklin972 -- Churchill's comment was to cover his ass and Montgomery's for pushing for the raid, then not supplying even the promised support (effective bombardment and air control). And even today, looking at the cliffs will show you how foolhardy it was to invade there.
Much is known today about Mountbatten's incompetence, his poor decisions and willingness to expend non-British lives.
@@DailyBrusher Absolutely,he owed his success to his royal connections.
I'm Canadian and my father fought in this war. Not a good day for Canada but we had to fight for us all.
From a US infantry soldier, much respect to the Canadian fighters!
Thank You Canada ! All respect for your heros!
Aye, my grandad (Commando from Belfast) said little about that day, except that the Canadians were tough as hell and were sacrificed by upperclass Englishmen.
The way he spoke so highly of Canadian soldiers has always stuck with me.
Dear Attilla & Blueridge28, thank you so much for your comments appreciating Can
Dear Attilla & Blueridge28, thanks for your appreciative comments about Canada's participation in WW2. Cheers
My grandfather was one of the Queen's Own Cameron Highlanders of Canada (in the green group) that survived that raid. He had mentioned he made it into the town. Neat to see it confirmed. He had multiple bullet wounds from that raid, and tattoos to cover the scars.
My cousin was in that group and perished that day. Glad to hear your Grandfather made it!
Showed my opa your channel (was a kid during the occupation of holland). He absolutely loves it.
Nice that opa, now has a lot of super cool, great and thoroughly documented and explained material from WWII. Been following Mark for years and he keeps impressing me. All the best from Jordaan: -)
About 8 yrs ago, I met a man at the Calgary War museum, who drove a tank in the dieppe raid. The museum was pretty much empty so he took me to the area dedicated to the dieppe raid. He told me about how the tracks broke. He told me that he fired off all the ammunition so that they would be less explosive when they got hit. Also about the men trying to get into the tank to save themselves and also about the smoke in the tank from so much firing. There was a couple pics of the pow's being marched through Dieppe and the man points and says, "there's me, and there's me".
It was just unbelievable.
My great grandfather and his brother ( both french Canadian ) fought during that raid, both survived but one was lost in battle for a few days but finally reapered ( in a hospital I guess ).
Never had the chance to meet them but my grandmother told us about how they never been the same after.
Vaccinium, I can certainly understand why they would never be the same afterwards.
Please make a video on Gruppe Fehrmann, it was a makeshift last ditch Kampfgruppe that used "Frankenstein" Tiger and Panther tanks made running from salvaged parts.
It would make for a great video.
It's very emotional to walk around Dieppe and see the little plaques that indicate the limit of advance or where a Canadian soldier had been killed.
I knew some of the old guys who were on this raid.. they would talk about at the Legion Hall over beer and cigarettes.. their memories of the raid was incredible.. they all thought they would die that day and they were young men..
It's real easy to say that lessons must be learned when fighting a war. Especially if you're not the one on the field of battle in uniform being a bullet stopper.
Thanks Mark, my great uncle Howard died with the Queens Own Cameron Highlanders that day. Rest easy Howard....
Lest we forget
Rip your great uncle HOWARD
Forever may there giving be remembered and honoured by all and respect paid.
Phil yes, he is buried there in a mark grave.
As always! A high quality historical video. As a Canadian i really appreciate this video. My father fought in Dieppe but not at the landing but at the liberation. Thank you Mark!👍
My grandad was there (Commando from Belfast). He refused to talk about the ordeal except to say how he admired the Canadians and felt they were basically sent to their death by upperclass Englishmen who couldn't care less.
My great uncle was supposed to take part in the raid but a few days before he was put into quarantine due to sickness. He felt extreme guilt that he was spared and ended up committing suicide just a few years later. War is hell and don't let anyone tell you otherwise.
Respect from france.
We ll never forget...be sure about that!
As a Canadian who visited France in 2017 for the 100th anniversary of Vimy, we de appreciate this. The cemitaries and monuments are all kept up top notch, and I Sameera every other window had a Canadian flag that week.
Dear JeeperWranglerus: thank for your respect from France.
Dear Mark Felton, Thank you. I was born in 1948 (3 years after the end of the 2nd World War). My father was in the American Army Air Corps and later, the U.S. Air Force so I have always had an interest in Air Corps and that soon expanded to all aspects of the conflict. I had heard of Dieppe but didn’t know the specifics... So, again, Thank You!
You have the best WW2 history documentary channel on You Tube hands down. Keep up the good work. Really enjoy your videos.I turn off the tv as soon as a new video pops up and watch better entertainment on my phone than all the. Bullshit on television. Keep sending us more videos Mark. Will be waiting. Thanks.
I LOVE the stories! - Keep it up! There are SO many stories to tell!
Dr Felton I enjoy your video's and your descriptions when it's an audio only recording.I have to say I am so thankful that there are people such as yourself.Not only saving our history but also spreading it to other people and to other generations.Your videos and audio segments.Are very interesting and informative .The way you convey the historical events of world war two is totally captivating.
Thanks for all of all of your research and reporting Mark. Also, thanks to the many who comment and share additional information. Watching from the Philippines.
“Dieppe - How Not To D-Day”
MathiasJames2002 how not to Amphibious Landing/Assult
@@madwolf0966 they didn't make the same mistake n D-day. Steel tracks on shingle. Not a good combination. D-day beaches were tested for blue clay as well.
Well said!!
wrong. My father was at Dieppe. Royal Regiment of Canada. He landed at Blue Beach. 97% casualties. He was wounded and spent 2 years, 11 months and 1 day in Stalag 9C. The official history of the RRC says he was one of three Canadian enlisted men who went out the night of the Great Escape. A few years before he passed away, I asked him if he had any regrets. He said, "None. What they learned at Dieppe saved lives at Normandy."
@@razorwire3056
Oddly..."they" learned very different lessons
The Allies learned that amphibious assaults into built up areas were a poor strategy
The Germans learned that the only way to secure a beachhead was to capture a useable port
In the mid-90s, Bell Canada ran an ad where an elderly man gets an unexpected call from a grandson, back-packing in France. "How are the girls in Paris?" asks gramps. "I'm not in Paris, Grandad... I'm in Dieppe" The kid pauses, alone on a beach of small black stones. Finally, "I just wanted to say...thank you." (STILL brings a tear)
I remember that can find it on youtube
Thank you for what? For crossing the Atlantic ocean to kill Germans? For helping to bring Bolshevism and terror to all of East Europe? He should be ashamed.
@@fritzkralle4689 You are the one who should be ashamed for your absurd perspective.
@@timsullivan4566 Granddad helped the bolshevics to cover all of eastern Europe with a shroud of terror and helped US and England to mass murder German kids in the cities. I would have killed myself in grandpa's position.
@@timsullivan4566 What is absurd is that theses soldiers were sent to the slaughterhouse, so that Canadian politicians could say “look we are doing something”
Thank you to Mark Felton Productions for posting this.
My grandfather was the ship’s doctor onboard HMS Garth during the raid and was busy patching up the bodies that were coming in off the beaches… while the German E-boats were attacking the transports. Garth could’ve been hit at any moment and my grandfather never would’ve gotten out because the doctor’s quarters were down in the hull of the ship. However, he remained at his post and kept working until the raid was broken off… He never spoke about his time in the navy (of course!) but was mentioned in dispatches.
Padre John Foote deserves a mention here for his actions - VC winner for Canada.
Funny you mention that. I remember in elementary school in the1960s our reading books were actually Canadian and were all about stories from our history. I recall the one about Padre Foote to this day. Sadly, today's schooling is so PC that teaching kids about our military heroes would get teachers fired.
Another, well researched, in-depth analytic spotlight on one of WWII's milestones.
A lesson is most valid, when learned the hard way....
Great video Mark (as always!), but this is missing the possible 'enigma' explanation for Dieppe. The German's were switching over from an old model of enigma at the time of the Dieppe raid. British shipping casualties had just skyrocketed. The goal would be to capture a working next-gen enigma machine without Germany realizing one had been taken. Dieppe was the best target for such an operation. 'One day in August' by David O'Keefe is a great book on this topic, if anyone wants to learn more!
Jacob Wilde: yes David O'Keefe has a good handle on the subject
My uncle Arthur Hache was wounded at Dieppe, in 1992 the French government awarded him and other survivors the Legion D'honneur..He's 96 years old and a great guy.
Thank You! All my respect to him! I am an x warrant officier from the French Foreign Legion! ♥️
@@attilakonkoly4329
Thank you..i will tell him what you wrote..He will be pleased..
My father told me that the Germans showed the film of the Dieppe landing and the unfolding disaster full of glee saying that there was no chance, the Allies would get anywhere if they tried again. Perhaps, they became over confident after this debacle.
D-Day was also a debacle that almost didn't work. Read some history and see how many allies died from friendly fire, or the disaster at Slapton Sands weeks earlier. And Churchill himself was a blithering idiot, in both wars.
No, the Germans didn't become overconfident. The German commander in France, von Rundstedt, said "He (referring to the Allies) will not do it this way a second time". The German command also would have been well aware of the fact that when an invasion (as opposed to a raid) was undertaken, the American contribution would be considerably more than the 50 Rangers who landed at Dieppe.
The Germans didn't get off lightly on this day, the army losing over 300 KIA, which implies that wherever the Canadians and Commandos were able to get off the beach and engage the enemy in close combat, they more than held their own, as only a relatively small number of those Germans killed would have been the work of the RN and the RAF, which made only minor contributions to the ground fighting when compared to what was to come on June 6, 1944.
The film which is refered to would clearly have been made for propaganda purposes, to re-assure the citizenry in Germany that everything was completely under control in the west.
@@wyomarine6341 no the Germans concentrated their forces near Calais and not Normandy. The raf and USAF prevented the Germans reinforcing the Norman garrison so you are the blithering idiot here.
@@wyomarine6341 It did not nearly work at Omaha the rest got ashore quite well
@Alexander Challis Guderian was not on good terms with Hitler by DDay
And where could those brave men have gone, if they hadn't been cornered?
Utterly futile waste of young lives and material to satisfy the egos of politicians and war leaders.
The loss of life was horrific, but it may have saved lives on D Day, so a difficult choice. Not a decision I'd want to make...
This was war and it taught the allies not to try and take an enemy port so strongly fortified thus leading to the decision to land on the calvados coast , sometimes the right decision is taken by the wrong reasons, but very brutal for the young men carrying out the assault on Dieppe
I agree that it was a pointless waste of human life but the lessons learned were indeed crucial to the invasion of Normandy 2 years later. I'd like to add there must have been a way to artificially create a scenario like D-Day under controlled conditions somewhere else on the coast of England or America rather than jumping in with both feet.
@david edbrooke-coffin
So that's ok then, is it?
Perhaps that's why we haven't learned peace.
Anthony Roberts unfortunately as a race we will never learn peace
An amazing video. Mr. Felton is the Master of the Masters telling little known (and/or with unknown details) WW2 stories... Congratulations and thanks so much!
Every Canadian should visit the sites in places like Dieppe and Passchendaele and Ypres; not only to honour ours but to see the level of gratitude and respect the people of Europe have for those men to this day.
Best wishes to Canadians from the British. You are respected and welcomed here. 🇨🇦. 🇬🇧
My uncle Thomas Sartain was on that raid (British commando )..he spent 2-1/2 yrs as a a POW in Austria.. RIP to all of them .
English Mik
Just found you 2 weeks ago and love your work..Very informative in all of your videos which are usually around 15 minutes which is enough to keep us watching and on to the next one.
I'm in Dieppe rignt now and it's amazing to see everything. The city is full of stories and culture.
My dad was on that bloody raid,luckily his L/c never made it on to the beach He commanded the Black Watch mortor platoon
Thank you fo sharing.
My grandfather was black watch
Their was a Canadian documentary called "Dieppe uncovered" which said that Ian Fleming the writer of James Bond made a unit called 30th Assault Unit to go in with the landing to steal an enigma machine.
The unit already existed and it did small raids or participated on larger raids with the aim of identifying any crypto or intelligence documents it could. One documentary tried to claim the sole reason for the Dieppe raid was to get an enigma machine to decode subs, despite no subs operating from there so it's enigma would be an older outdated an incompatible version.
It strikes me that too many costly errors had to be made by Allied politicians and generals early in the war. Thanks for these informative videos.
Mark Felton's videos are so excellent, I don't even mind watching the Simpli-Safe ad!
Us Canadians don't get enough recognition for what our men and women did in both wars. We had some of the hardest battles thrown our way. I am extremely proud to be Canadian
Except on d day where americans got the most defended beach.
Also we lost more men, and our battles weren't so hard due to training and materials.
@@kane357lynch actually Juno was best defended by faaar, you guys bungled it at Omaha while we took Juno and went farther then anyone despite it
@@kane357lynch What happened after the landing in Caen?
@tomasg851 That's so far from the truth it should be a crime 😂 Omaha is known to be the hardest, most defensible beach involved in the landings. One quick Google search would clear that up for you. Not to mention 3rd Canadian Division was on Omaha and lost over 80%. Before you go claiming it was blundered, let's see you invade a fortified position. Juno, being the 2nd easiest beach ahead of Utah, Didn't even require a single Division. Do the math.
my Grandfathers' brother was Company Sergeant Major of the Black Watch company that landed on Blue Beach..he was wounded and taken prisoner..spent the rest of the war as a POW..including surviving the winter 'death march' of Allied POW's late in the war.I have walked the same stretch of beach he did that day.Mark can you do an episode on that infamous march..thank you
I didn`t know this was such a big effort of a landing. I knew this raid happened but didn't know it failed so miserably. Thanks for this detailed video of the raid.
Canadian Historian David O’Keefe did an excellent show on Dieppe, and is well worth the watch.
Canadian sacrifices are often overlooked when it comes to wars, with the usual narrative that it was British and American. Quite a shame as there are many heroic and hard fought victories that are completely ignored by Historians.
As for Dieppe, it was disastrously planned by a man who only got where he was because he was the Kings cousin.
I can’t imagine the plan being backbriefed and withstanding the most cursory analysis against the basic principals of war. And Are there no ports on the coast of France not dominated by cliffs?
Truenorth Bruce, yes, everyone interested in Dieppe should watch David O'Keefe's excellent documentary on Dieppe, if they really want to know why it was planned.
Methinks David O’Keefe gets too much ink out of ‘the pinch’ theory.
My dad was a vet in the second world war. Your videos give an insight into things he was too traumatized to talk about. Bless him and all who had and have to endure war.
great video. my great uncle was at Dieppe with the South Saskatchewan Regiment. im suprised you didnt tell the story of the other VC from that day. John Foote, the Royal Hamilton Light Infantrys chaplain spent the battle on the beach tending to the wounded and dying. then during the evac picked up a bren gun an repeatedly fired it over the heads of the german defenders to provide covering fire. he made it aboard a landing craft but decided to climb over the side swim ashore and surrender so that he could continue to help his men.
My grandpa was at dieppe as well.south saskatchewan regiment.private arthur howes.the bravest man i ever knew
krwood83: good of you to mention Chaplain John Foote, a hero in the true sense of the word.
My grandfather landed as an American observer with the RHLI. He said Dieppe was a waste of human life. He said his stomach hit bottom during pre-assault briefings when no one could answer junior officer questions about beach defences. Even to this day, Canadians hold a lot of reverence in the name Dieppe. If you think they take it lightly, prepare to catch a punch.
I would feel sick hearing about this kind of slaughter if I were alive back then... It's appalling learning about it today.
Also, seeing Churchill and Stalin laughing together is surreal...
There were two devils. Churchill might have thought that he must sup with one of the devils to be able to defeat the other one.
That is why, after the war, a lot of former colonies were pissed at the UK. And, as an added bonus, the Americans were watching and learned not to let Churchil have his way. When he learned that a million US troops would be arriving he started planing "adventures" in the Aegean and the Balkans. FDR cut him short and Marshal made it clear that they are aiming for the quickest possible victory.
@@anastasiosgkotzamanis5277 you are talking red co-operation for imperialism?
Really creepy picture! I feel like Churchill didn't want to look at that real-life demon.
Dieppe was one of my country's Finest Hours. Despite how horribly it was planned, we still fought valiantly on those beaches. And it is true, that the lessons learned paved for final victory in 1945.
On a separate note, I appreciate your use of stabilization of the historical footage, Mark. I didn't realize how much easier to see the intricacies of the footage with it.
Paved the road to final victory? In which way exactly? I only see a huge defeat.
@The legacy. The road to victory in 1945 was paved by a gigantic superiority of Allied military hardware, troops and in particular by the Soviet army, not by a failed landing in Dieppe.
@@jasonweaver6524 Yes and no. I suspect casualties would been far greater if not for the lessons learned in Dieppe. Greater to the point where the war could have dragged on for a few years longer. Long enough that, perhaps, Germany would have developed the nuclear bomb. Or long enough that the Allies sued for peace.
The amount of content, quality and the content itself on this man's channel is completely mind blowing. This is absolutely amazing stuff.
For many years I joked my best friend next door how hard it was to understand his dads accent. He was born and raised in a small French town in Nova Scotia.
In time, came to learn his "accent" came from being shot in the neck at Dieppe.
Only once did he speak of it later on. "It was a damned shitshow". Nothing more was said and we left it alone.
May he rest in peace.
These segments are so well done. Dr. Felton is living the life of a WWII historian...which I had always hoped to be. Best wishes and continued success.