How to Minimize Adventure Motorcycle Ownership Costs?
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- čas přidán 25. 12. 2022
- Everyone talks about this or that motorcycle, and how good they are on or off the road, but what about the ownership costs? Insurance, spare parts, maintenance, garage, petrol bills, and many more... In this video, I will give you some tips that will help you to minimize motorcycle ownership costs.
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Once again, " less is frequently more."
Less weight, less tech, less power equals more travelling dollars, for me.
The fact I see more smaller or middleweight machines off the tarmac must mean most people realise this.
To each their own but i know what works for me.
Safe, happy travels 👍
Absolutely!
I just bought a DR650 and I love it is really eye opening and makes you realize what you really need to have fun.
You are so right. Reliability is the most important. In addition, my T7 allowed me to learn mechanics. Valve adjustments, Stering, swing arm, wheel bearings, fork maintenance, chain and sprocket, spark plugs etc. I learned from tutorials on youtube. I'm not afraid to take it apart and put it back together because it's a simple bike. It allows me to be more independent on long trips. Thank you for your video Pavlin. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year
Thanks for sharing!
I certainly agree with everything you've just said. More factory fitted gadgets and computers equals higher running costs, but not necessarily reliability. We've got a 1994 BMW K1100LT that has 80,000 miles on the clock and we have done nearly 20,000 on it without any issues and I have done all the servicing myself at approximately half the recommended intervals with no problems
Thanks for sharing!
You pointed out the most realistic thing about owning a motorcycle (adventure oriented motorcycle)
Glad to help!
Suzuki V-Strom DL650 K7 guy here. You are speaking from my mind. Got her with 33k two years ago, now she's got 63k. Best investment was the workshop manual. Easy stuff like oil change or coolant I (not a born wrenching guy) did myself. Complicated stuff like valve clearings and steering head bearings I've left to the pros.
She's never let me standing at the side of the road and I will take her way beyond 100k.
Thanks for sharing!
" Buy what you need", best advice I've gotten from an old friend when I started looking for a "new" motorcycle, ended up with a 14 year old F650GS wich I can do all maintenance on my self, and it's really kind on the fuel :-)
Thanks for sharing!
It is allowed on road if bike is more than 15 years old?
@@ashishnabira2279 why wouldn't it be there are bikes on the road over 100years old !
@@chrishart8548 There's a rule of 15 years for vehicles in India due to pollution reasons. That's why I asked. One of my bike is 14 yrs and I need to recertify it for another 5 yrs. Let's see what happens.
@@ashishnabira2279 wow I thought when a bikes 15 years old it's just run in nicely. 2008 still seems new to me !
Nothing beats Yamaha for reliability 💙.
Means everything
I agree!
As always, great advice! Happy New Year!🎉🎉🎉
Thanks so much!
Another good and insightful video as always. Thank you for your knowledge and experience. Blessings and Happy New Year to you and your family. From Coastal Georgia, USA.
Happy new year!
Always very informative. As usual your videos are geared towards the riders. Keep them coming. I appreciate you.
Thanks, will do!
Thank you once again Pavlin. Your dead right on with your thinking. Keep on telling it like it is. Really appreciate & enjoy your videos. Thank you for all of your efforts in producing these vid's for us. Have a good Holiday Season!!! Your friend from the other side of the pond!!! Illinois, USA
Any time!
Recently i bought the tenerè 700 world raid and i adore this bike for the estetics and reliability of this platform. Few electronics was for me the main pourpose for my new bike and tenerè line nowadays is the only brand that can give this
Thanks for sharing!
Excellent video! The T7 is my goal and my next bike
Best of luck!
Good to see youre still wearind Revit gear!!
Always!
Love the video, Pavel is like life coach. Buy what you need not what you think you need,. Etc....
Thanks, man!
As always, very wise, practical, down to earth arguments! Riding experiences are different for different people, hence the different bikes. But, in the end, you need to afford it.
Absolutely!
Great video sir!
Glad you liked it!
I change my small 500cc to an even smaller and 60kg lighter 300cc bike. I can travel everywhere I want to go for less money and it’s much easier to pickup if or when Crash. I never ride more than 100-110 km/h on the motorway so it’s enough for me personally maybe not for everyone but that’s why we have so many different bikes to choose from. Thanks for your movie and have a nice and safe motorcycle year 2023.
Happy Christmas and happy new year to you and your subscribers.
Thanks, man!
This is wonderful and insightful.. Less is more and more is satisfying.
Glad you think so!
As I told you in my email, Pavlin, I bought what I could and what I need to get back in the game... the Yamaha Lander XTZ 250, the new "Tenere 250" here in Brazil. Thank you very much for the tips. Cheers.
Any time!
Hi Pavlin, I did the exact oposite of point 1 and boght what I wanted not what I needed and changed a 10K bike into a 12K bike lol. It is easy as you say to save money if you stick to what you need but as you also said "It's OK as I can afford it". Looking forward to your content in the new year. Rob
Whatever works for you!
I couldn't agree more with your advice, it also transfers over to cars.
I will share this with my friend who will be touring next year in Europe.
Glad to help!
Another excellent common sense video.
Simple is better, especially when you are traveling in remote areas alone. If it can be fixed with simple tools so much the better.
Absolutely!
Intelligent guy, good advice!
Thanks, man!
All very good advice! I learned the hard way on this...bought a Harley and paid big money not just for the bike but also maintenance costs at the dealership so Now I have RE and do everything myself so easy and enjoy this bike so much more
Thanks for sharing!
Thanks for sharing words of wisdom! When I was young I was lured into the mindset of wanting the next, bigger, "better", heavier, more powerful, more tech "got to have" new machine. Then after many years of this progression it dawned on me that for every "step up" I made the less I actually wanted to be bothered to wheel the beast out of the garage and ride. Of course this is subjective for myself and applies to my style of riding...commuting mostly, some weekend fun and a long backroad slow paced 2 or 3 week vacation in the summer. I discovered my cb500x Honda is a champ for this task and is inexpensive to own and operate...and more fun than the big expensive bike.
Thanks for sharing!
Practical and honest !!!
Always!
I took my best drink and... Enjoy watch your video Pavel ! Everythings are correct for adequate perception! Thank you !!! U are a real MEN ! Respect ! Take a five, MEN !!!!!
Great to hear!
'Reliability number one all the rest is noise',I love the point blank narration of this biker.
Thanks!
Want to travel cheap buy yourself honda c90 , Ed March traveled around the world on little Honda c90 absolute legend , it’s all about the journey not the destination. Well done keep up with your great videos, regards from Lithuania 👍
You absolutely can travel with anything, even bicycle.
"The rest is just noise" !! 🤓🤓Always interesting and educational to see your tips. There are so many people who buy a motorcycle that is too strong and heavy and they don't have time to learn how to ride it. I can be happy about the friend who can afford to buy the coolest bike, but for me my old Varadero is enough to travel with. It is heavy off-road but it usually works well enough and on the road it works very well.
Keep it up Pavel. Greetings from Sweden.
Thanks for watching!
I actually bought a bike with a bigger engine so I make less noise. I had a 250cc before at similar higher speeds the 800cc I have now is at less than half the rpm and very quite. At 50mph in top you can hardly hear it go past.
Thanks in advance !
Welcome!
I was considering changing my trusty Honda CBF 1000 for a newer BMW K1300. This point of view makes me reconsider if I need this change. Thanks!
Glad to help!
Talking about "buy what you need" there's a perfect example from the automotive world which fits very well: lots of people buy the "all wheel drive" because it's cool or because someday they might get stuck in the mud or in the snow. In the real world 95% of those vehicles won't never see mud, snow or even a light dirt road. Beside this, the "AWD" will still mean worse gas consumption, more tyre wear, more labor costs for repairs...
It is what it is!
Except the 5% of the time you do need awd and the car is useless! Because you don't have it.
Alles richtig gesagt Pavlin, wie Immer Daumen hoch und Like
Danke!
Hatts off Man.
Perfect explanation.
Hope to meet you personally some day.
If Almighty wishes.
Always welcome!
Another cost factor that went into deciding the bike I bought was the dealer support. If something happens to my V-Strom I am never far from a Suzuki dealer. Here in Canada a Moto Guzzi, Ducati, or Aprilia could easily require hauling the bike over 1,000 km or waiting over a month for parts to ship.
True!
Here most of the other places that do honda etc carry aprilia spares in stock. And also services all bikes.
Thanks!!!😉😉
Welcome!
Pavlin, your pragmatism is a breath of fresh air in today's CZcams motovlog scene!
Thanks, man!
Absolutely agree Pavlin - For me anything more than Fuel injection (and maybe ABS) is just unnecessary gadgets waiting to go expensively wrong !.. I ride an early Triumph Tiger 800XC and I picked this early model specifically because it DOES NOT have any 'rider-modes', 'ride-by-wire' throttle, lean angle sensors, tyre pressure monitors, 'active' suspension etc.. etc.. For the riding I do I can easily manage without all the toys.. I do almost all of the servicing myself, the only thing I do leave to an expert is adjusting the valve clearances. Unfortunately they are shimmed not Vernier adjustable, I CAN check them myself but if they ever need adjusting (which they never have so far.. touch wood..) I don't have the necessary shim kit, so I usually treat myself to having them checked by a mechanic (though not a Triumph dealer - too expensive !..)
Overall I love the Tiger, it's been very reliable but I understand it's not for everyone.. I do wish it was a bit lighter and had stainless steel spokes but I suppose you can't have everything !.. It can't show me my bank balance or tell me if it is raining in Tokyo but I really don't need it to..
Thanks for sharing!
Very nice 👌
Thanks 😊
There are always things wich are cheaper or more expensive. Most important is that everybody should know what they need and how to afford it. Are your words Pavlin 😏
Merry Christmas and a better New Year to everybody 🎉
Absolutely!
Great 👍
Thank you 👍
Da, Pavel, agree whith you ! Большой мотоцикл - это дорого !
Tочно!
Some greats tips but I think the biggest money saver is don’t buy new. A carefully maintained low mileage model 3 - 10 years old have suffered significant depreciation and if bought from a main dealer can come with up to 2 years warranty. As an example an older style bmw gs1200 up to 2013 didn’t have huge amounts of electronics to go wrong like the notorious electronic rear suspension and can be maintained cheaply as there are so many parts available.
I agree, second hand bike will save a lot of money.
I have a GS and do my own maintenance and tire changes, and I’m not very mechanically inclined. It’s not hard. There are extra costs as I bought a tire changer and a GS-911 to reset the computer and read fault codes. I also had to add a lot of expensive protection because I do take it off-road and crash it once every few months. While it’s totally protected, there are some consumable protection bits that get replaced, and they’re not cheap. Custom seat for touring for those 500+ mile days or Iron Butt rides. There are a lot more tire changes too if you have a heavy throttle hand. It all adds up. As they say, BMW = Bring More Wampum.
Thanks for sharing!
And thats why I ride V-strom 😅
Fair enough!
Love the vlog. Whats your view on the NC750x DCT. For reasons you mention, they are cheap, easy to maintain....
Very good option for many: czcams.com/video/_qnhxj42x6I/video.html
You are right Pavlin but keep in mind that 90 % of the biker don't travel and ride for fun and probably don't need to save money because that a hobby or passion 😉I travel too and own a T700 because it's a cheap and realable bike.cheers
Fair enough!
Agreed
Good!
I changed my front and rear pads for the first time at 28k miles on my Africa twin. You must ride much harder than me.
No, I just use the rear brake more then you.
Hi Paulin!
Some Cheap skate advice needed here ...
I am looking at 2000 suzukii xf650..
ds seems better, but after runnung dry on my previous 125 scooter, I prefer to know how much fuel is in tank...
also i would use it as comuter and a bit of travel, may be once a year.
I think that it is 18l, but not sure
@@motorcycleadventuresthanks for response!
I understand how many horses you need to cruise on road😁
i rarely drive car above 100km/h...
not on my job🚑😁
.. i know. you can buy Dakar tank for DS..
...still no gauge seems terrifiing to me..
Greetings from Latvia🇱🇻
God save Ukraine and its defenders! 🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦
Its not just about size, but also about the brand of course.
Reliability of all european manufacturers are way way below those of japanese bikes. Cost of ownership of an 1100 africa twin is probably much lower than a tuareg 660, eventhough the tuareg is smaller capacity. Never mind the difference in other aspects which cannot be measured in CCs! The tuareg has a compression ratio of 13.5:1 whilst the AT is at a much more modest 10.1:1. An understressed engine means more reliable and less likely to need maintenance, spare parts and other hassle.
Sadly actual data of reliability is not easy to find (and I think many manufacturers hide this data on purpose), but some research (ex. consumper reports 2015) shows a reliability of around 12% of the japanese bikes vs 29% for triumph, 33% for ducati, or a whopping 40% for BMW. Seeing from owner experience I bet KTM is even worse (it was not considered in the report). Note that percentage here is 'failure rate' defined as 'needing to be repaired for a serious problem within 4 years after purchase'.
Never mind that even dealer repairs for European brands are generally more pricey. That the new ducati desert x user manual tells you to go to the dealer for checking clutch fluid, handlebar adjustments or changing coolant says enough I think.
Yes, the brand will save the most. Exactly what I said in the video.
Just for the people that are interestet in the tenere, mine uses around 4L per 100km in average. I ride pretty calm but not slow.
The same to me.
Until I find the Tenere second hand I’ll use my old fazer. Secondhand usually saves about 25% of the new price.
True!
There is only one answer possible. V-strom 650.
This is the one that works for you. In reality there are hundreds of solutions.
Please help me.
When should I check and adjust t700 valves?
My ténéré 700 has now 20.000 klm
Not before 50,000km
Official maintenance schedule says 40,000 km
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Thanks!
I'm still riding my 01 tiger with 170,000 km. The last gen before all the the electronics and Rider AIDS took over. I wonder if Ducati salesman tell you how much desmo valve service costs or how fast dry clutches wear out?
They won't!
Hey Pavlin, The motorcycle on your channel's logo is wheeling BUT you never do wheeling! SO? 😁🤪
Because I am 48 years old.
I did a mistake buying a KTM890 Adv in stead of Royal Enfield? If changing the oil it is always necessary to be connected to the computer, that's a pity! Thanks
It is what it is!
Hello. Questions to all the owners of T700. I've only test rode the bike once. Personally I owe Suzuki v strom 650. T7 has a few more HP which is good and just enough I think. If you travel long stretches, 100% tarmac, can you cover 5, 6, 7, 800 km per day every day for a week or two or more without an unbearable butt pain? T7 has a narrow seat that's my only concern. Is it a long distancer? And really only 4l per 100km ?
For such a mileage any seat will be a problem. Yes, the consumption is correct.
2300 miles in less than 40 hours riding in 4 days. Fuel consumption was higher as I was traveling at 85 - 90 mph much of the time.
For speeds over 120km/h it will rise significantly.
i m all ways use full synthetic oil ... it is extend you engine life, do not try to save money on oil
I agree!
Does 800 GS fit in a low cost ownership?
Way better than 1200 or 1250
it is engine on it from China...
Hello, Pavlin! I watch your videos with interest. I became interested in bikes. I like the Yamaha Tenere. But I'm a little scared. I am already half a century old, as they say. I have never ridden a motorcycle before. I don't even have a license. I only have up to 50 cc. In all probability, if I buy a bike, it will only be for the weekends. I live in a small town and I don't drive the car I have. So if you can give me some advice, what type of bike can I buy? I have a small budget. Or to sit on my ass and ride my bike, which I love. Thank you in advance for your time. I wish you success and a safe journey.
If you have never ridden a motorcycle m advice is to get a driver's license first. This will be the most logical step to do and the cheapest. During that process you see do you really like it, enjoy it, and what model you will prefer. Usually, in driving schools, they have standard, easy-to-ride bikes between 400 and 650cc. After that, you can decide what will be your next step. Good luck!
@@motorcycleadventures Thank you, bro!
Сега видях, че си нашенец, защо просто не пита на български?
И аз не знам. Помислих, че така трябва да е , понеже целия канал е на Английски. С гугъл преводач е лесно. Не ми е проблем. Ще ри последвам съвета напролет живот и здраве да е.. Изглежда логично първо да изкарам курса, че тогава да мисля за мотор. Благодаря ти още веднъж за отделеното време.
Айде успех!
✌👍
Thanks for watching!
have 3 bikes, T5 2t 150 for 32years it's slow but low on consaption and no almost no service 40kkm, some limit with driving Vespa, second bike is been owerhauling bye my self, lots km on clock by myself, GS550E, no problem with, like gasoline always 7l, and you're hated most BMW, :) , R1150R for last 4years, but non ABS or other stuff, only gasoline pump, main question do you need a pump on motorcycle, I like being independent without no worry, but El. pump is on my mind when is a 1000km from home, be good
Thanks for sharing!
I think that it is not realistic to comapre middleweight bike with heavyweight bikes like gs1250, ktm1290, etc. It would be much better to comapre it with same bike category of other brands. Greetings from Serbia!
I do not compare them, just showed you how to minimize the costs.
I dont think its a bad thing to compare different sizes for ownership costs, however, I do think that grouping by engine capacity doesn't say a lot. A reliable engine is a cheap engine, which is true, but a bigger capacity is not necessarily more reliable. Engine compression ratio for example says a lot more about how stressed an engine is. A 600cc engine producing 80bhp suffers much higher peak stresses than a 100bhp 1200cc engine. In that case I would bet my money that the bigger engine actually is more reliable.
To me, all this computer gadgetry is gimmickry. Personally I feel the only important upgrade is anti lock braking. Statistically, it has been proven to dramatically reduce deaths. As for as all the other stuff, it makes you to dependent on the bike to help you ride, as opposed to learning better riding skills on your own. soon they will come out with a self driving motorcycle, and you wont have to hone any skills your self.
I agree!
You know that they’re all going to buy a GS none the less don’t you, because.....well...fashion! Is it actually ever possible to apply the full power of a 160hp machine to the road without traction control moderation? That said, it’s a very emotional decision just like a car. My SUV goes off road (ish) about fout times a year and the rest of the time its just a car but less efficient. 😂
It is what it is!
As usual less is more, leaving more money in your wallet you spend on travelling. I'm your opinion, Pavlin, absulutely. Günter, Nürnberg/Germany
Thanks, Günter!
You're making us look bad with this "if you've got nothing to do" stuff. My wife's like, "you got plenty to do why are you watching that?"
FYI
My bad!
@@motorcycleadventures
Blessings
I ride a CRF250L, BUT I want the 450. The 450 requires much more maintenance and the fuel, taxes, insurance is higher cost. So the 250 suits me pretty well.
Constructive criticism: lose the background noise!
The subject & your narration of it is great. The addition of distracting, monotonous & annoying music ruined the vid for me.
Fair enough!
Real answer is: DR650
You are right. But motorcycling is not about finding the cheapest, most simplistic solution, otherwise people would be riding peddle bikes. Everyone must find his , sweet, balance point.
Pavilion, I see people mentioning cheaper, more simple, more reliable bikes than the T7. So it seems, the truth is you buy what gives you more pleasure, and performance, comfort you want, as long as you can afford it. Otherwise, you can even travel on a peddle bike. The T7 is not the cheapest or most reliable. A Honda C70, or Suzuki dr650 is, both, more reliable, and cheaper. But you feel more cool riding a T7. At the end of the day, you ride what gives you most satisfaction, as long as you can afford it.
It is not the cheapest, but it is the one I like and match with my needs and budget.
@@motorcycleadventures Right, getting to that point with the DR needs a bunch of aftermarket stuff but if you like building a unique bike, it is worth it. T7 is an amazing bike, I just wish it was not so expensive in my country (around 16k USD).
Just get a Himalayan
No, thanks!