Wizard101: The Recent Negativity In The Community
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- čas přidán 27. 08. 2024
- There's been a lot of negativity in the wizard101 community recently so here are some of my unfiltered thoughts on it.
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What do y'all honestly think about whats been going on recently?
wiz is dead little buddy get with the program 🤖🖥
Yeah I agree with you man. Just listened into the roundtable video and it was a circle jerk of wishy washy opinions. Glad you stood your ground.
Where can i find the roundtable@@ed.amame_z
Sure your criticisms are less harsh than others but it's not like your trying to ignore the problems in wiz and people gotta respect that even if some people disagree with it.
I don't always agree with your takes but I don't call you names for it.
And I don't like one content creator being singled out by the community unless it's blatantly obvious ur doing scummy stuff.
Me personally, I thought the content creator roundtable was pretty insightful, and long overdue. I didn't think any of the criticism was/is "negative", and I think that term gets thrown around too much: A wave criticism ≠ negative criticism.
It might feel that way since everyone is voicing their opinions. No one was arguing in bad faith, but in a genuine love for a game they put a lot of time, money and energy into. I think instead we should ask ourselves if the criticism is in "good faith" or "bad faith". That might be more helpful to the conversation.
Most ppl don't just hop on call with 6+ other creators to talk about a game they don't love and care about. Which is why I'm not viewing the situation as "negative."
A lot of what was being talked about, were mostly problems the majority of players had spoken up about in the previous years that they felt had been ignored. All the little criticisms seemed to be a part of 3 big problems:
1. KI is very bad at transparency, listening, and out of touch (If not the case, I don't think the stream would've even happened.)
2. Many are OK with the new ideas, but they tend to be implemented poorly/broken.
3. The predatory monetization practices.
I think these 3 things are basically everyone's biggest gripes with the game. KI will implement something ppl have a problem with then implement something else while the previous thing gets ignored/forgotten about.
Players have been asking for years for certain things to be in the game are feeling ignored, and feeling like their time and money isn't being respected. I think the new raid was just the straw that broke the camel's back, and all the smaller gripes/criticisms resurfaced. I think it's significant that a lot of players and creators are feeling the same way and shouldn't be overlooked. Maybe the vibe of the game really is off.
These creators (including you and hundreds of players) have been playing this game faithfully for 10+ years and love this game and want to see it do better, and I think in order for that to happen, KI needs to AT LEAST focus more on #1.
(Also, I don't think ppl are actually mad at the Devs like the artists, and developers and stuff. However, if you look at KI's recent Glassdoor reviews... Yikes. It's probably an upper management problem.... like it always is 😬).
Great comment here. Fully agree.
I definitely dont think anybody was arguing in bad faith. if that were happening then I think we'd have a much bigger problem here. I do think that the quality of some of the arguments were not helpful feedback if the intent was to incite actual change. Saying the devs weren't passionate/implying they hated their jobs and mentioning that they would boycott did not feel like helpful parts of their discussion tho
agreed but they aren't gonna change until their profits are being felt, the game isnt going to feel that way unless they are on board with #1 100% or just outright fix #3 and begin to conduct themselves with some common sense from the last 20 years of the gaming industry.
@purinpanda8302 good food for thought but we already know what KI has done for 15 years hate to burst the bubble but they aren't going to fully commit to #1 or #3 until their pockets are hit and felt.
for example look at a game company WAY bigger than them and has ignored their fanbase FAR more exhibit A - Activision look what happened with EVERY title after black ops 2, its been 12 years until we finally got a call of duty thats half decent again because guess what, people still buy their games for the last 12 years so they had no reason to change anything, Same thing with KI until people stop buying it and making them realize they have nothing without people buying they aren't going to change until we "Affect their bottom line" thats what its called so until KI's bottom line gets effected nothing gonna happen sad yes negative i dont think so 15 years shows what their about for sure so its just fact they aren't changing anytime soon.
The reason Sauce wasn't invited was because we made it VERY last minute. And it was in a Server with a bunch of creators where we said "Come if you want to!", which is why we had over 10 people and why it was unorganized. Nobody was really invited, it was anyone could come if they happened to be in the server. Hope this clears up things up a bit! ❤
ALSO Sauce wasn't in that server so he kinda couldn't join the call-
Just wondering what is this server, it's a server of just wiztubers? And who owns this server?
We as smaller CCs in this community just want the devs to lend an ear and actually listen to us, which they haven't. They *are* just people, but the impression we get is that there's certain devs who actively antagonize us players and they then pass off our responses [stuff like the roundtable] as "negativity", and naturally, they cast our feedback aside once their brain reaches that conclusion. It's a cruel machine, we just want to be heard but to be told we're stupid or don't know anything about game design for suggesting Frost Giant should get reworked for example [recent Cam clip] is extremely disheartening and it's been a constant as of late. We tell them about something we think needs to be tweaked, they call us dumb, we make videos like many have this past week, and they pass us off as just being negative.
People don't need to be sending hate your way for not participating in the roundtable though, it was mostly for the CCs who were interacting on Twitter which wasn't everyone. Still a notable amount were there though, so I hope KI will bend at least a little when it comes to how they interact with the community
To make packs fair/less random/pack issue:
3:05 they can make a system where u get tokens/a token when u buy a pack, and u can trade those tokens for pack items in a shop/merchant. The higher rarities, the higher token cost
You'd still have the chance to get a rare item in any number of packs (as before) but now theres a point where ur guaranteed to get a item after a certain amount of packs
No you don’t deserve hate but if you did watch the entirety of the round table then you sorely missed the point that the feeling isn’t that we have no voice, it’s that our voice falls on deaf ears more often than not whether you agree or not. And you also seem to fail to realize that people can still work at a job and hate it lmao. The devs, marketing team, etc can all do their jobs for KI and may not necessarily do anything to make it purposefully worst for players but that doesn’t mean that KI isn’t also guilty of giving little to no effort cause it’s just a paycheck to them at the end of the day because KI doesn’t care/is slow/isn’t passionate about wiz101 anymore/outdated/etc. That sentiment is what’s pervasive for many reasons and the round table was their effort to offer suggestions and draw comparisons to get inspiration from how KI devs and wiz101 can do and should do better in all aspects (transparency, microtransactions, compensation, marketing/advertising/game-design/etc).
The way the roundtable was organized was disappointing. The way they complained was childish. If it was properly organized and the creators only spoke about things that are supposed to be spoken, the impact factor would have been much high. Wizard101 is definitely a very poorly managed company with an absolutely horrendous Customer Support management team.
Also Tip: Play Wizard101 in the Quad, it's more breezy than the Noyes Laboratory.
@@bithodium7900 You're very childish yourself lmao when you make pointless comments about pfps that have nothing to do with the argument about w101 or KI and simply defeats any illusion of credibility you try to muster. Secondly, I never said W101 or KI is a great game or company in the first place, so try critical reading because I'm not defending KI or w101 in any aspect of my original comment. The impact factor IS HIGH being that many of the supporters of each individual wiztuber present in that roundtable support the roundtable's views and it shows just how ignorant you are considering there will be a future w101 game developer roundtable on Friday (in 1 or 2 weeks) featuring creators from the wiztuber roundtable (which wouldn't happen in the first place if the impact and attention it garnered wasn't high to begin with). Also, ATS comments weren't simply that the roundtable was disorganized, he went on to unnecessarily criticize it more than that if you even watched his video lmao let alone his comments in the official w101 discord. Lastly, the roundtable creators can talk about whatever the f-ck they want as there isn't anything "they're supposed to talk about" since Fairie Queens herself said she didn't have any prepared list of topics/questions and it was more free-flow/spontaneous. Even still they always kept it about wiz101 and only talked about Genshin Impact to draw comparisons on how aggressive and outdated KI is with their methods of monetization/gambling in packs compared to other games. You're only valid comment was that yes it wasn't as well organized as it could've been since FQ did this all-last minute, yet it still came out well despite that. No matter how you slice it, your comments can be deconstructed to show that you didn't think your response through well enough.
If i could summarize the main issues are at this point wiz feels designed to extract as much time and money from players vs actually trying to be enjoyable and anyone who questions anything is often insulted by the team/developers ex: raid win rates Twitter fiasco among other examples
Agree
Sauce has a target on his back because he’s the biggest current wiz content creator and so he’s easy views and attention. Also he’s able to broadcast things to a wide audience.
Well no shit thats why hes able to influence the devs to his advantage
@marcg549 what makes you think he has that kind of influence when the devs dont do everything if not most things sauce says. Not defending sauce on any view just curious about yours.
@@benjaminadams5321As far as I can tell, I don’t see anyone else’s voices being heard by the devs. I think it’s completely fair to say he has influence, considering he’s on the w101 website as a top video streamer. They watch his videos. They listen to it. Whether or not they follow what he says, they still listen to it. That’s more than anyone else could say.
@@user-mn6tv3yx2p liam stated in his videos that he directly talks to the devs i would think that is more influence then just watching a top wiz tuber stream the game wouldnt you agree.
@@benjaminadams5321 i'm honestly surprised how many people think the devs watch all my content or implement stuff at my word. that would be a foolish approach at best
i’m glad that they brought up unfair pack odds in the roundtable. i didn’t watch it but i hope they brought this up as well:
not only do pack drop rates need to be increased, but boss drop rates need to be better too. my biggest issue that has been negatively impacting my wizard101 experience for years is the fact that you can get countless pieces of gear that aren’t usable for your school before getting your own school’s exclusive gear. this kind of system not only makes farming take longer, but having that surplus gear only benefits extremely hardcore players that have more than one high level character. just one run of the aeon dungeon takes an insane amount of time if you don’t have a coordinated team yet you almost NEVER get what you’re looking for. to be fair i can’t do many runs in a day because i just don’t have the time but that doesn’t justify the terrible odds.
They made some good points, i just don't understand the pve is just aoe and pve is extremely hard back-and-forth. As a PVPer i think the game forces you to raid to compete in ranked realistically there's no other choice. For anyone saying use dungeon gear please stfu i don't want to pvp with negative crit and -30 damage, I need to farm raids, spellements, still buy packs just to pvp now. I've pvped for years i just login do a few matches and logout and farmed gear with teamup or with other pvp friends once in a while. Now i need a comp team on comms to play a card game. No hate but if there's a vast majority of people saying the game is bad they're probably right, but saying they're just being negative and don't give any valid statements like they have some deep hate towards KI's devs?? The game was casual and that's why many played it now they expect you to quit your job and click spells endlessly for gear, spellements do extra shit to get gold keys, do shitty beastmoon for spellements, no tournament rewards, need to spend 100 crowns to switch spells from pvp to pve, terrible servers with loading screen issues and pvp is not even fun. The game is definitely not growing they can do all the free membership it'll be active until that's running and goes back to dead its probably the existing players making more accounts. There are no new players just old players quitting and coming back just to quit again.
This
KI has created yet another elite group by acknowledging content creators as they have… I think KI was concerned about the negative publicity from them that was public (on the internet) that they chose to harness that activity by specializing it.
However, I have played since 2009 almost daily and know firsthand that negativity has always existed in this game…. Mostly surrounding pvp…
Sauce even you have to agree this last updates have ruined the game for a lot of players. Sorry that most of the players here have a life and don’t feel like grinding a dungeon for what seems to be little to no reward. If I wasted my entire time farming nightmare, after getting all the gear my damage goes up by +2. Why tf would I farm it? I do pvp and while I enjoy it I’m not going to waste days/weeks for that little upgrade. Now with this new damage cap I have to make a whole new grill on top of that. I don’t mind the whole new pet but what was the point of introducing circle jewels if they were just going to slap a cap on pve? Please make it make sense. I’ll tell you this tho, haven’t touched wiz in weeks. This update doesn’t make me even want to get on at all
Kingsisle's treatment of Wizard101, ever since the MGI/Gamigo buyout:
"I can't hang out here all night! I've got a life!"
My biggest issue is the lack if descriptions if symbols on cards. Some get so confusing.
Same! I stopped playing for a year a couple years back. When I came back, the cards I understood before all had like 6 more symbols on them and I just didn’t wanna mess with it. It took like a full 2 months to re adjust to the over complication of the cards. Btw I love complex battle, but the cards should SHOW what they mean in a full paragraph when you hover over the card with your mouse. There is absolutely, Absolutely no reason whatsoever that they can’t do that.
@@syntheticreality549 yeah. The fact that it still hasn't been improved. Smh.
Slay the Spire, Peglin, etc. Keywords are HIGHLIGHTED so that you can hover over them for descriptions. Even MTG at least has descriptions for new terms for the first couple sets or so!
Casual players just want to be heard that is all.
GaRbAgE tAkE will never die, and rightfully so.
Good video and I agree with your approach. However PvP is at an all time low. Although there has been negativity we need change and the devs to listen
It's pretty obvious why, too. You hit the biggest wall than ever before to do pvp. Between raid gear and opening packs or farming for spellements that make your spells better. It's a huge task to try pvp now. Definitely not like how it used to be.
@@tylerm5862 That’s why low level pvp was exciting. It was easy to delete a failed char, but also rewarding if you made it to Warlord. Even got a dope robe to celebrate
The biggest downsight from wiz is right now the loading screen Times.. once the New wallaru Update came out the Servers are massivly overloaded you hang 1 min in a loading screen sometimes or get disconnected by the game
It’s a problem with MMOs. I believe part of it has to do with the fact that it’s on online game and certain areas have a bunch of things in them.
I believe the changes to nightmare standard won't help, I also believe A LOT of people are going to cancel their subscriptions this month. I think the reason why everyone voices are so loud right now is because there are A LOT of casuals or even non-casuals that haven't had the chance to speak up for a long time and are all collectively speaking at the same time due to seeing everyone else do it. I honestly hope the game does not die.
Hey Sauce you responded to one of my comments a while ago about the initial caps w/the new update. I just want to say thanks for being honest about where the game is and open to change and conversation. This doesn’t mean that everyone is going to agree on everything but I absolutely agree that celebrate what you can get and appreciate it. Regardless of who it is everyone wants to feel appreciated when they do something. When we can do this I think more honest conversations can be had. Thanks for the video 🙏
This isnt a recent feeling and has always been around in the wiz community because of the nature of the game being so exploitative, especially considering this is marketed as a kids game. Its nothing new, just a larger amount of people coming to their senses and having a feeling of been robbed. Of their time, but especially their money. Kingsisle has literally the greediest strategy in regards to how they market the game, of any company. They may be smaller but they are MUCH more bold and have always gotten away with it.
As for you and how you handle being the head youtuber towards wiz.. It could definitely be handled better. Yes you bring awareness to issues within the game and concerns of the community but you also still support them more than any other player. The amount of money an average player has to spend on wiz to be meta is insane. You are not an average player. People look up to you and when you continually spend hundreds every patch on this game, it sets a bad example. Put your money where your mouth is. Why play nice with Kingsisle when they treat us like shit?
I like how gatcha games have a pity system but wiz a game for children does not. Bruh moment.
100% agree. Feel like 8/10 videos in my feed this past month have just been negative criticisms on the game. Barely anything thats new or really meaningful to making the game better too just rants and bashings.
Bringing back tournaments would not make the game better?
@@AntonConstanti its a feature that would make people happy but is it a qualitative change that will make people change their stance on the state of pvp and pve? No. Also where did i say in my original comment that i wasnt in support of bringing back tournaments?
@@djwards472 "just rants and bashings"
Well, when you ignore, block, or even snark at fans...
(Kingsisle)
@@AntonConstanti “BARELY anything thats new or really meaningful…”
Good video 👍🏾 The creator roundtable was very spontaneously put together within a couple hours from my understanding, so makes sense why they could have missed creators. I would have liked to see your opinions shared as well so maybe they can put another one together in the future. Overall, veteran players coming together to talk about improving the game we all love is always a good thing.
Dude your the only CZcamsr that is keeping wizard 101 PVP still alive
I really appreciate you Sauce. Wizard101 is a game I’ve truly enjoyed most of my life and love playing it. Your videos are so fun to watch because I enjoy your productive criticism but also positivity about it at times as well. It feels genuine and comes from a heartfelt place of wanting the game to be the best it can be. Whether that’s the newest update, some random wizard101 leak, or just some spicy pvp content I’ve been having fun watching. As someone who likes seeing the game more positively. I feel wrong at times for just enjoying a game that puts me in a happy place. Keep up all the great work you are doing!
Personally I agreed with a lot of concerns thay were expressed in the latest round table. I am a casual player, and right now the barrier to entry for a lot of activities (pvp, raids, even house decorating) is just too high. I struggle to find time to participate in raids (between planning and actually setting aside 3+ hours straight to actually do the raid) or to farm endless hours for a bunch of a certain furniture item. The day to day things I can participate in just simply aren't very rewarding. I'd like to be able to sit down and feel like the progress I make in the occasional wiz sessions that I can participate in feel rewarding.
There were definitely some points I disagreed at during the roundtable like the devs not having passion for the game anymore. Sorry but if you've worked on a game for 15+ years like most of them have and with players who grew up with the game who also work at KI too now that's a bit unfair to say. I will say most of the current issues I have with the game stem from how clearly grindy/gambling heavy the game is now. Spellements, the nightmare dungeon, god keys, beastmoon, etc. The game expects you to either dedicate insane amount of time to grinds that the playerbase just doesn't have as we've gotten older. Back in arc 2 days when darkmoor was the gear that was the best the game was and it felt like our time was respected. Now the game just disrespects the wallets and time of people who have stuck with the game still.
i agree. you have to like what u r doing at least a little to keep doing it for so long lol.
Yeah man game too grindy and expensive for a 15 year old (and NICHE) game... Feels like the gamigo playbook which may be why players are concerned
Such a good looking guy, dammit! We should play Darkmoore together and makeout in the castle.
I really am just upset that theyd add things that nobody asked for, like roshambos, spellments, shad spells costing 2 shad pips, stat caps that limit gear variety, banning alot of cards outright in PVP, and making the best PVP gear locked behind raids that take 12 players, require pay to win gear, and such. For PVP i dont get why they dont just make a few hard mode districts, for the entire games enemies, meaning that all enemies in those districts are on hard mode. Not through not letting us cast certain spells, but possibly through way better resist, pierce, health, damage, and a better AI to better respond to the card choices that we make as wizards. Obviously, the reward in the hard mode districts would be better drops. They way they make challenge mode things hard is uninteractive, and makes it artificially difficult.
Tbh ive been wanting to return to W101 but the amount of backlash that has been coming up these past 2 months is really discouraging me. (Left when Emperia Arc 2 was max due to pet making and having 12 fails in a row)
dont listen to the haters and figure out if you like it on your own. that can be said for so many things. games , tv shows , movies, food, hobbies, activities, books, etc.
you might not even know of it or be into it , but here is an example using my favorite show. so doctor who recently had seasons 11 through 13 and they were very unpopular with people, and there are people that dont watch or are scared to continue JUST BECAUSE THOSE PEOPLE ARE MAD. and then they do end up watching and love it!! ( I am someone who was intimidated bc i saw the reviews for s11 when it came out before i had a chance to see it first but i watched anyway and i enjoyed it! so yeah... dont listen to haters, they dont know what *you* will think. only what they think.
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@@toestealer ayyyy demons of the punjab and it takes you away were bangers : )
There are a couple things I'll say in regards to this. I feel like the nightmare dungeon was a sort of tipping point for a lot of people over all the changes that have been made to the game since say 2015. It's been a slow build up ever since KI started the stat and pvp rebalance, more monetized spellement and pet systems, and a shift towards more P2W packs with stats actually comparable to (or in a lot of cases, overpower) PvE dropped or crafted gear. I'm not trying to negate people's frustrations, heck I've had my fair share of frustrations with KI as well (ie. added xp points required for training pets past adult and increasing training cost to 12-14 energy past mega), but I don't think it's all that productive to continuously single out specific devs when in actuality a lot of the other devs or employees at KI consult with each other over changes. It's not like one dev has veto power over things that get added, removed, or changed, even if at times it has felt that way. KI as a whole needs to hear our criticisms. Also, keep in mind the CMs are just messengers, aka the middle man between the devs/marketing teams and the community, no need to single them out either.
The other thing I'll say is that at times I feel like we've become way too impulsive when voicing our frustrations or distastes in a specific direction KI leads the game. I remember when KI had to nerf critical in 2015 a lot of people were up in arms about it and even threatened to quit. In hind sight that change was needed or else at a certain point, you would constantly hit the crit stat cap with each new piece of gear. I personally wasn't a fan of the critical scaling dependent on level, but the critical system that we have now I think is what we should have had from the beginning, with block acting like critical resist. Again, we cannot single out specific devs when voicing our frustrations. I believe it is counterproductive to do so.
You do a great job, keep up the work you're doing. As for me, the game is what you make of it. I find if I'm friendly and start conversations with other players most will be nice in turn. There's of course a few that have an ego problem or something and don't seem to want to be social so I just move along and look for other players. I play a lot of the game solo but a few battles are difficult to solo and I look for assistance with those. I've been playing for about 12 years and continue to enjoy the game. I play a lot in the winter and really limit my game time in the summer when I enjoy being outside more. Wizard is still a great game if you want it to be. Take care my friend and carry on!
Honestly the negativity while deserved in some case, i think the vast majority of the player base is freindly, and that is coming from a pessimistic person, i think if the game improves more and becomes a more friendly game to casuals it is unlikely negativity will stick. I enjoy awesome the suace's concent as it is more of a middle ground then just hate bashing the game, and from experience, you can be critical without being completely negative to the detriment of the game.
as a whale that quit this game in 2018, formerly known as MMOWIZMASTER KI can give AF about whales and what they want. my biggest complaint is the claim system 10 pages, i have 200+ pages of 10 beyond the cap I can't get the oldest claims. I have a valor in those claims i can't even get to it don't have the space and don't want to throw away tons of stuff bought to get to it, KI wouldn't with a ticket pull that out of my claim gift window. Had 4 scooters on 2 accounts and 1 scooter on both bot alts yes i use to 4 account to beat new content first. spent Easly 120k+ USD on wiz My accounts all RIP game is not worth it my old lv 1 pvp in full wL gear every lormaster spell prior to going to spellement route and the fire dragon spell/ storm spell still as level 1 has no stats now also lame.
My current gripes with the game: no pack pity, archmastery rating cucking allies, so so SO much meta or good gear being pack gear or from raids, STILL no card effect and symbol explanation, and the main one: we have been shouting, no, screaming at them to separate pvp. pve, and advanced content, and it keeps feeling like instead of doing that they are MERGING them more and more, THAT is what is making all the casuals so negative as of late, the game is getting too complex. I for one invite change and look forward to it, I loved novus even with some of its flaws, but for a lot of people it feels like the changes are coming too rapidly into "casual" content. We JUST got archmastery in novus, now the main gear drops from a mini raid? In my opinion they first should've made a card effect explanation on hover, a briefer one for in battle, and a more expansive one when hovering in your deck page, quick reference to all the symbology, and Diego tutorial quests to help players understand the advanced mechanics. You shouldn't have to watch a youtube video or read 3rd party forums just to learn what roshambo is, a CORE mechanic in all advanced combat.
Forget pack pity! They should've added better farming pity, and years ago! Second Chance Chests have ALWAYS sucked! Predatory!!
@@TrianglePants they have really good farming pity now, Wallaru has some of the best pity they've ever made
@@wizzzard999
After all this time? JUST Wallaru?
@@TrianglePants New things have the crafting pity. General lightbane also has it. But yes, it should be added to older stuff
I’m just pissed that 4v4 died because we can’t aoe heal.
i miss team pvp a lot too! My first content on CZcams was actually 2v2 content
i used to love practice 4v4 :(
@@toestealer i used to have a whole team for 4v4. And it just slowly died off, and then they banned aoe heals in pvp, so then it died completely.
@@toestealer ya 4v4 was so cool
I always think you like the rage player, you know, like pvp rage, and i do enjoy it eventhough i dont pvp, but i respect how humble your response is to all this.
I went and watched the entire thing, and it was a bit of a mess from someone who's played since Beta and for the last decade usually just plays for a month once a year:
>I don't care about "negativity" so long as it's true and coming from someone who wants it to get better. When something's bad, call it out. If it's not fixed in a timely manner, or worse the devs are laughing at you and making things worse, then you should be negative.
>They don't wanna admit that KI's been the problem with Wiz since borderline the start. Everything they said about it being a "kid and family-friendly game" was a lie. The amount of time required just to do PvP (pets, Gardening, Crafting, etc.), the gambling with packs, and the political garbage more as of late they've been putting into the game. Maybe in the very beginning they were truthful, but it wasn't too long after launch that it quickly became a grift. So we're not going to blame the company that bought KI for making more packs, just because people are ignorantly defending their nostalgia.
>I honestly think Wiz has an issue with players who don't play any other games and think the smallest amount of resistance to them completing something is impossible. I keep hearing that the new Dungeon is "way too hard," so I went and watched Sauce's stream a bit to see what's up. I didn't notice anything particular. So I went and watched a guide on it. There's nothing absurd about it, just some minor things that're unintended (like the wisps) that should be fixed sooner rather than later. I'm not saying anything about the rewards and how they're distributed, that's not my point. I just think Wiz has a serious issue with players either knowing nothing else and getting used to the mindlessly clicking cards part of the game, so as soon as the game asks you do a maze and avoid wisps while communicating four symbols is something only rocket scientists can accomplish. Or Wiz has an epidemic of 95% of the player-base having an IQ below 90. Your guess is as good as mine.
>PvP is a shitshow that isn't actually that hard to fix in many ways, but will always have balancing issues until KI and the players admit that School Identity is integral to the game and balancing. Each school should be excelling at some stats while being bad at others, their spells and effects should be unique, etc. Storm is meant to be a glass cannon, so make it that and force people to learn how to play it while countering the other schools, and the same goes for the others.
>When KI announced Roshambos, even as someone who didn't play PvP since Level 60 and just watched videos, I knew that it'd just become a merry-go-round of people spamming counters. The addition of effects to spells through Spellements was just going to create more of that same issue and worsen the gaps between schools. That's why I don't like Roshambo in this form, the counters should already be baked into the stats and spells of the schools. But when people on that roundtable were saying, "Roshambo's too confusing, I don't understand it, so how's a kid supposed to?," I cringed. The game doesn't have kids playing it, let alone at the endgame. The fact that people are apparently too incompetent to understand how Roshambos work is just pathetic.
I'm not saying the entire thing was worthless or anything of the sort, but it was just a mix of legit criticisms, the same shit that's been going on for years, and mindless nonsense. The only way KI is going to seriously listen and fix the issues is if people go after their wallet, the whales. We can all bitch until the heat-death of the universe, but if you're going to not go after those spending thousands of dollars a year on fucking Crowns, or worse yet be one of those people, then nothing will ever change. That path has been taking Wiz on a slow walk to death. The best move the players have is to do what I do, play about once a year to get caught-up with whatever you've missed, let KI know what the issues are (and that can just be by Liking Tweets and videos criticizing them), and then go play/do other things. Could that result in Wiz dying complete and the servers shutting down? Sure. And then soon enough after there'll be a team of die-hards who'll revive it just like people did with ToonTown. But I wouldn't be too worried about that, KI would scramble something furious to get people back on the game if things were that bad, instead of losing their sole game making money.
Blows my mind that you weren't invited, you're one of if not THE main Wiz content creator. Every time I come back to Wiz I put one of your videos on, jealousy it seems but what can you do🤷🏻
Honestly, they probably just want to see you full dog on Kingisle with zero give like you do. I personally like you to see both sides. However, the hate crowd doesn't like that.
Kingsisle created this monster. Now they have to deal with it.
@TrianglePants Kingisle created a game that we all love and play. If you don't, then you're wasting your time here. You'll give empty feedback with zero bases. Unfortunately, there is so much of that going around.
@tylerm5862
Well, yeah, it is, because the fans have been ignored, mocked, blocked or even metaphorically flipped off with half-assed or quickly reverted/ruined changes that seem GREAT at first. I'm still salty about the Hatchmaking Kiosk release, nerf, and ONGOING brokenness.
I do hold a special place in my heart for Wiz, but there has LONG been ZERO room for Kingsisle alongside it.
I like the analogy thats used in wallaru with judge veg.
The Firstworld is "the way things were" and the cabal is obsessed with returning to it. Judge veg realizes this at the end of wallaru and calls the goal boring and unimaginative and a fantasy.
I think there is truth to that.
No they killed pvp, the fact 1v1 is the only form of PvP now says a lot. Leagues, mainly; among other things killed it.
170 is really the only active league and only 1v1. Every other level is close to dead. All due to changes ratbeard made. Not lack of players
What I don’t like: After 2020, they completely changed pvp head to toe. It stayed mostly consistent from earlier than 2012-2020ish.
PvP was a high percentage of players.
It feels like they started doing updates to hotfix and balance things that were already balanced in it’s own way.
I think your criticism here was very reasonable and you are being very level-headed about the topic. I think a lot of the community has been just struggling with a cognitive dissonance between nostalgia and disliking the current games and *aren't* coming up with valid criticism but speaking from their feelings. A lot of the negative perception I find you have in the Wiz community is people thinking some kind of grand conspiracy that you are a KI corpo bootlicker or you have some kind of insider effect on the game, but I think it's kind of crazy. The reason you don't go as hard is because you try and see both sides while still sticking up for what's best for the player *while not neglecting what's best for the devs too* .
I may never have been PVP-head or that intense of a player, I think it's clear you spend a lot of time playing this game so I think that credits your opinions a little more as well as your very level-headed approach to issues in the game.
Sauce we know your sitting on lap of the Boss Kayeye!
Someone saying you aren't negative enough you prolly ought to just move on from those people
I feel like this is a really crazy time to get in to wiz. Im having a great time and I think most of the content creators are doing a fairly good job.
Also huge props to being the voice of reason in the community please keep it up and don’t let the negative part of the community take over. It happened to wow and i dont think it’ll ever go back.
It already is with Wiz. You KNOW how the fanbase has been treated since Todd Coleman left, and now especially since MGI/Gamigo bought Kingsisle.
cough cough Ratbeard cough Wooten cough Sparck
@@TrianglePants nah man you go play wow and tell me if you find a SINGLE person help you or be nice to you in your first month playing. I make multiple new friends a day on wiz and they’re all so nice and helpful. You will never find that in wow not early game nor end game.
pvp is boring asf and no school identity, don’t get my started on pve, blade aoe
well done sauce, truly a fire video
I'm still having fun as a casual player
The game just needs quality of life improvements that has been needed for years. TBH with the new content out lately it’s such good content, just players have some sort of skill issue with nightmare but I do agree that it is hard and should be tune down just a bit even with the skill issue around.
I'd say it's far less a skill issue and more a time investment issue. Wizard101 does better in this regard by having raids that don't take as much of your time as other MMOs, but there's a lot of learning and prep that goes into tackling raid-type content. Players with full time jobs and/or families are going to get left behind by that type of content because it's too much added commitment.
@@BlueSparxLPs I agree with your point as well. Investing time into the game has always been an issue too
What do you think about the damage cap to pve tho, a lot of players don’t want to do the dungeon just because their stats literally improve by centimeters. Its pointless to those that don’t want to pvp
The thing is it seemed like it was going to be like mt Olympus, Atlantis, Tartarus, darkmoor, etc but it was just another raid thing. It has been YEARS since we have gotten anything like those and we were so excited
Starting watching your content this week, loving it! Used to play back in 2012. Getting nostalgia watching videos about wizard101. Any thoughts on getting back into it or it’s not worth playing especially with the recent drama regarding the game?
Right now the beginning of the game (wizard city and krokotopia are free for the next few days I think so you could definitely start and get back into it for that alone! I think most of the beginning to mid game has actually gotten a lot better after this much time! tons of new aoes and spells to try out
People are turning pasion (rightfully so we all grew up playing this game and have some of our best memories on it) into toxicity due to lack of communication on KI end. If you can't communicate quickly speculation, animosity and toxicity will grow.
Mocking and blocking fans will only add accelerant to the already growing flames.
Don’t worry AwesomeTheSauce I wasn’t invited either! 😂😂 We’re far too based
Ever since wiz city and krok became free theres been way more ppl online and new players, im tellin u guys when wiz makes the worlds free its gonna get way bigger and theyll make way more money thru crown shop and still keeping membership with member benefits yall would still pay the member for double pet xp u know it too
never really got into pvp, but what i see is a game that's continuously pushing out content, is mainly receptive, and like I said, people trying hard to give us something to entertain us. I'll be guilty sometimes saying "fix your game" when something doesn't go my way, but then I realize I'm just being petty, lol, and I go right back on.😊
People have been saying that the game is dying for years and it's still alive and kicking.
Dying and growing mean two different things. As long as a game loses players it's dying. If it gains players its growing. W101 is certainly not growing by any substancial metric.
Barely alive*
Wizard101 has been a zombie for so long...
i totally agree with you. good video.
Ah redeeming crownshop updating everyday barley anything free except housing items and occasional packs from ki live or rarely a new pack they push out it's honestly tiring to see not only that but why is almost every pack 399 just make it 400 or like the holiday ones just make it 300
We need Wiz classic just like what World of Warcraft is doing with its classic+… imagine wizard101 with new content and no crowns, pets, critical, pierce and shadows
They should make pvp unrestricted no pve/pvp variants, just one card that can be branched into higher damage more utility etc. No pve/pvp stats just one for all, pve should have never gotten a damage/resist cap. If they want stat caps make it so the gear limits the player not diminishing returns. This current system punishes players for min/maxing and to top it all off they constantly change the stat caps so no one is ever in the optimal gear for whatever they are doing for long.
I’m a very casual player and I’m glad they are changing standard mode. I think the devs are good for changing it.
Sauce! Play nightmare dungeon everyday and you will know how Boss Kayeye giving us a hard time! I will give you one with so many! Listen! 1. Nightmare dungeon they blocked the maze in random. You dont believe I dont care but and I ask play ND so you know how they manipulate the game to make money out of it! OK! Period.
Hi! I'm returning to the wiz community, can someone tell me where I can find the round table by creators that Sauce mentioned?
They need to bring back unturned based pvp
Homeostasis
I unsubbed due to the damage cap being forced on everyone. dont understand why they feel the need to regulate pve player's damage.
What’s up Sauce how’s PvP going 😂?
btw genshin impacts whole thing is summoning. Which recently they haven't been doing a good job with and the deves aren't listening to the players at all. To be honest KI is a little bit better than hoyoverse.
Was there a period of time when wiz was surrounded by positivity (in the last 3 or 4 years lol)
You should have just ignored this. You don't need to comment on others ' comments because then that does look like you defend Kingsisle... even though you say you don't.
People can hate but youre making a living playing wiz while singlehandedly keeping pvp alive. Dont even play this game anymore or even watch you but leaving this comment to support you cuz these people are insane
You post KI will fix the nightmare dungeon? Until now the badge still 25 times? When? When? Feb. 20 2024. Can you post the real update not the fake that you posted here in this video. ok
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Not everybody on wizard101 plays PVP or raid so the new wallaroo dungeon is a serious joke
Man i used to log wiz for 4v4 now its best to wait on santa than wait on a 4v4 queue theyre too comfortable changing everything as if the game is a beta.
I’m just a Rapper who plays wizard101
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@@dxrshan did I ask?
Please stop being negative towards KI. It is my belief that most of the content creators are partially responsible for the downturn in the game.
Just imagine you are a new player watching a few W101 vids, what do you see? Loads of videos criticizing the game for poor content or indicating that the game is dying. Are you going to want to invest your time and money into a game like that?
Whilst, in most cases, I fully agree with what the content creators say in their videos I feel you need to just state the problem and move on. Your videos need to be helpful - informative and positive. That way more people will gain insights into the game and want to play.
If you want KI and the Devs to make changes based on your suggestions then be nice to them, criticizing them will only drive them away.
I have been playing the game for over12 years and did a load of guides on W101 Central before that was replaced by other fan sites. I really enjoyed passing on my knowledge to other players. I enjoyed a game that was easy and fun to play and I have seen the game change, probably to match the age increase in the children who used to play the game. It has turned from a kids game, in the older worlds, into an adult game, in the newer worlds, and yes it has definitely lost some of the magic, but is it a kids game or is it an adult game? It can’t be both.
Those players who grew up with W101 are now adults, some still play, but others have followed the adult lifestyle and no longer play computer games, hence the player numbers have been reducing.
My view is that we need an influx of ‘kids’ to start playing the game, it will happen when the original kids that played W101 have their own kids, but until then I feel a responsibility to provide new ‘young’ players with the help and support they need to enjoy the game.
Please stop using your videos as a means to be negative about the game in the hope that KI will listen to you and change the game into what you want. Please provide informative videos to help players enjoy the game.
NB this is not directly aimed at AwesomeTheSauce, but at content creators in general. This video just seemed to be a good one to post this comment on.
This is honestly why I don’t play wiz anymore, so much unnecessary drama…
We Pirate players only ask for more updates to the game and nothing else! No drama!
think it's silly to say people are saying this stuff because of nostalgia this why they should of invited you to talk honestly
"recently"
You the one who took the torch and kept lighting the way after blazelifehammer
Sauce can you validate my opinion? Thanks bro.
I literally don't understand the argument that the game is "not nostalgic" anymore. Arcs 1 and 2 are like 90% the same as they've always been. If you want nostalgia play levels 1-100. Nostalgia alone doesn't keep a game alive. Keep speaking your mind sauce. Ignore these hoes. W video
you're just ignorant, have you seen pvp, pet derby, housing tours and tourneys? the game went downhill cause no one does those anymore
Sauce u a real one im proud of u bro
Miserable people will hate without reason simply because they hate themselves or their situation, thus projecting that onto everything else. If you’re going to hate, make an argument and be constructive about it. I for one, have a LOT of issues with wiz. There are numerous problems which I can list either on a discord call or on messages with solutions to each of them, which most of the community can agree with. However, you will never hear me say “wiz is dead and it deserves to die”. Nothing that kingsisle has done would warrant that kinda hate. And sauce, discern hate from real criticism. wiz has a bunch of miserable peter pan syndrome fans who cant grow up and hate things for not being as enjoyable as they were as a child. I can go on and on about this, and frankly ive never seen a more miserable community. Wiz creators and fans blame the devs, then the devs dont listen to the fans because they're toxic, or because it doesnt provide them any influx of monetization. Sauce, ive been an active member of your channel and voiced numerous opinions in the comments, all being constructive, which is evident by my comment history. there are smart people in this community who care. you just need to isolate those from the toxicity. if youve read this far, then you earned this 👑
we sharing that crown, king
bring tournaments with enchants back and make it a seperate thing from ranked pvp and we would be way happier personaly
It's hard to brew a decent community when your game consists of some of the most predatory monetisation schemes I've ever seen and is still advertised as a children's game.
Kingsisle cultivated this toxicity themselves. They deserve EVERY BIT.
Well said Sauce. It's pointless to criticize anything if someone does it with empty air. I also want to mention, I’ve been fairly adaptable to the game throughout. But one thing still irks me and its the whole PvP structure. I really miss 4v4 practice matches. 1v1 is cool, but gets boring after a while. I just want to be able to queue up in a random 4v4 match. Thats all.
I wouldn't be surprised if that second sentence was why the revent server messages incident happened.
I definitely have had my dislikes for some game choices, like certain spells not matching the spell class, either imagery or the power for them, but never would I say they didn't care about the game😂. They have put years into updates, clearly passion is there, I just have different views on the creative direction then they do. Nothing wrong with that. The constant failed pulls on packs however drives me mad😂😂😂
Also, wiz should be on mobile right now because there are a lot of games that are more movement-based and have better graphics that are cross-platform tbh the devs are focusing on how to milk enough money off us.
People complaining about "wiz not being casual friendly" must never have farmed for malistaire gear back in the "good days of wiz" 🤣
Even though you are giving "criticism", I am really not sure If am seeing your point since you are primarily a PVP creator, not a PVE play like the rest of us. Yes, you might post here an there about gear and dungeons that we PVE players do, that is still not enough since you prmarly focus on PVP. Ki literally kiss your butt and really do listen to you more than they do with the other players who make up the PVE fan base. i remember the old sauce loving pve and doing so much, but now I am see you die down and not really helping us and the rest of the fan base. Just saying
I think this comment is a great example of what I brought up in this video. Your main tactic is to say i'm not like the "rest of you" instead of constructing an actual argument. I pve more than I pvp because pve is simply a bigger part of the game. But because I disagree with some things that have been said, I'm suddenly not a part of the community which is crazy.
Well if you were aprt of the community, then you would be with the rest of us who are finding it hard to enjoy the game. At least as a creator, you have the power to say something unlike the rest of them. Not to mention, you find enjoyment in the game because you PVP, something the rest of us do not enjoy or understand how to do. So yes, I am coming at you with the things that the rest of us are trying to get through you, you currently have the most view platform who ultimately decides the outcome of this game. I see your streams where ratbeard and other devs literally watch you and take your advice while the rest of us are hung out to dry. Sooo, maybe that group did not include you for a reason.@@AwesomeTheSauce
@@dumbdede6108 so if someone doesn't agree with you, they are not a part of the community. and I thought the whole problem is that the devs don't listen? but now you're saying the devs do listen to some people. Why would they listen to me over others if they're choosing to listen to begin with?
PvP players are also PvE players
Only as much as pet/decorating/fishing/collecting players are.
Sauce being the voice of reason and beacon of hope as always.
Ah January revenue got you as well so you had to make this vid? Hope you bounce back bro
I liked the roundtable and agree with most of the criticism that it brought but people hating on you for disagreeing with some of the roundtable and not making another vid is wild. It's pretty clear from one look at your channel that you do criticize KI lol. I agree that KI's response was really fast/good this time but I also think the recent criticism expedited the process. The devs are human which means they make mistakes and it feels like there has been a disconnect between the devs and the players which has been growing until it finally hit a boiling point with the release of The Nightmare. In the end, I just hope that KI will continue to keep listening to feedback like they are doing now for the Nightmare changes and that the disconnect lessens over time.
I tuned into last nights stream and can confirm you sling constant negativity! It's true! He's very negative! All love haha
Wiz is dead
This is objectively false lmao
Why people keep saying this 😂 at this point I can’t tell anymore if it’s dead or alive but from my experience all I hear is people claiming it’s dead
@@gosubbougaming the people calling the game dead are just OG's who were around when the game was significantly more alive than it is now, but just because the game was doing a lot better in the past doesn't mean it's dead now
@@jelu-ol6twah that makes sense thanks for the clarification I knew this game isn’t dead yet maybe even far from because I’ve seen game in worst state out there 😂
@@jelu-ol6tw Nope, it doesn't mean the game is dead, but, it means that long time players are all quitting (like me), and since new players are mainly people that are not really into the game and won't renew their membership forever like old players the game will eventually die.
well said dsddy
You are sadness
Sadly Wizard101 won't get a boss rush or Abyss run to test their Wizards how good they are...like there should be other things than PVP, box Events, Guild raids and btw Arc 1 of Wizard101 should be permanently free or just take out Charging Membership and just make the game free and just charge Crowns...This is absolutely Pathetic Lazyness from This Kingsisle Dev Team and also they haven't done anything to Pirate101 at all either. Lazy Dev Team from Kingsisle!!!!
this is like politics. Some ccs are always negative and some are commonly positive and some don't comment at all, just stream pvp; sometimes even successfully with sub-optimal gear. I think, that - depending on your own feelings - you will listen to one or the other. No way will you make everyone happy. I feel there are good things, some things are not great and I listen to negative as well as positive comments and then make my own decisions - you know, like in politics. 😂
It’s just CZcamsrs trying to get clicks the algorithm is for some reason favoring videos talking bad about wizard101 right now.
When in reality wizard101 is doing great!
The last few updates have been making the game worse for many people.At this point they want people to spend many hours grinding for very little reward and that's insane that they think that's a good idea.People have left because the game devs don't seem to put care or love into the game anymore.If you still enjoy the game that's fine,but many people has criticized the game with reason.
What the heck? Who accused you of not being "negative enough?" Nevermind, I can guess who. Nobody can live up to his standards of negative thinking. Sauce, you criticize our game basically every damn day, but you usually slip it in under the radar while being excited about PvP. Being excited about PvP is your "brand" and you have developed a very high quality "product" over the last..is it nine years already?
A couple other content creators... I do not disagree with them, but their "brand" is bitching and moaning. They are really good at bitching and moaning, and I appreciate that. I just think we as a community need to "keep our eyes on the ball," which is that WE LOVE THIS GAME.
Do the Devs always give us what we want? Do they always give ME what I want? Nnn...NOPE! They can't, and it is not fair to expect that of them. Wizard101 is what you would call a "mature programming environment." I am surprised it doesn't just burst into flames more often.
Am I first