@catandpiddle People can do this for a month (Asian Studies students at Wasa University in Tokyo) or for a year. So yes, the young men probably have gone. Also, just because human beings bring themselves with all their neurosis to any situation, doesn't devalue what ever process they are engaged in. As far as the politics, you might be correct, but where is your evidence? Your certainty evokes a thought in me that you seem to have a need to devalue this process simply because you don't like it.
this is all wonderful, peacuful, but there's another side to it of course... the petty squabbles, the in house love tangles, the nutters running away from whatever. like all hierarchies, those at the top are treated more favorably particularly if they look like being priest material. I'd bet a month's salary the two young men here have moved on to a regular life some time ago. sure of it in fact.
Pleas don't call these people 'monks'. they're ordinary people in the very same way the roshi is an ordinary guy. once you get into the silly game of letting yourself be influenced by all the religious hype that this place and others like are just full of; you start repeating the same silliness. in other words pavlov was right after all. people here have sexual relations and homosexual relationships. now while that isn't common by any means but is sure does go on.
It doesn't matter what words are used, what labels are applied. They are empty of substance both quantitative and qualitative . It isn't "hype" just because you say it is. That is your neurosis and belief problem. Pavlov's theory has been proven incorrect. Zen monasteries and centers are not full of hype. If you haven't ever spent time in one then perhaps refrain from making judgments about what you haven't any experiential knowledge of.
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@cartandipiddle, they can choose to work as a security guard where they can actually do more zazen than even the Jushoku.
@catandpiddle People can do this for a month (Asian Studies students at Wasa University in Tokyo) or for a year. So yes, the young men probably have gone. Also, just because human beings bring themselves with all their neurosis to any situation, doesn't devalue what ever process they are engaged in. As far as the politics, you might be correct, but where is your evidence? Your certainty evokes a thought in me that you seem to have a need to devalue this process simply because you don't like it.
@CommentaryX i think you will find that shaving is a symbolic gesture to pay homage to the buddha the dharma and the sangha
@TheravadaInsight what do they do it for? are monks, generally, allowed to have contacts with other people outside or leave territory of Sogenji ?
2:04 Takahatsu... I never really learned the chanting, so I usually just "faked" it and stuck with an older monk.
i doubt they r going to reach the state of satori.
what they are doing from 2:35 ?
molto bello, peccato che non si capisce :)
too bad you didnt put subtitles for the japanese language
this is all wonderful, peacuful, but there's another side to it of course... the petty squabbles, the in house love tangles, the nutters running away from whatever. like all hierarchies, those at the top are treated more favorably particularly if they look like being priest material. I'd bet a month's salary the two young men here have moved on to a regular life some time ago. sure of it in fact.
Pleas don't call these people 'monks'. they're ordinary people in the very same way the roshi is an ordinary guy. once you get into the silly game of letting yourself be influenced by all the religious hype that this place and others like are just full of; you start repeating the same silliness. in other words pavlov was right after all.
people here have sexual relations and homosexual relationships. now while that isn't common by any means but is sure does go on.
It doesn't matter what words are used, what labels are applied. They are empty of substance both quantitative and qualitative . It isn't "hype" just because you say it is. That is your neurosis and belief problem. Pavlov's theory has been proven incorrect. Zen monasteries and centers are not full of hype. If you haven't ever spent time in one then perhaps refrain from making judgments about what you haven't any experiential knowledge of.