@@jennieatemyiphone9805 ikr!!! Like, is it so hard to treat everyone equally?? Put aside gender and skin colour, WE ARE STILL HUMAN!!! NOT SOME INFERIOR BEINGS!!!
@@oz1128 Lmfao you are copy pasting this comment literally everywhere as if no one other than armys hate on girlgroups. All fandoms are toxic af Fcking troll
They actually don't If someone embarrasses female idols or even a normal woman then it's fine but if a woman says that she supports feminism then people start imposing her the blame of being a sexist? Like whyyy?🤧
Feminism is seen negatively in SK, I think. They associate it with some extremist feminist protests in the US which blows the whole movement out of proportion
I read somewhere that feminism is seen very wrongly in Korea. They see feminists as feminazis. They have wrong concept of feminism. Idk how this happened there but this needs to stop.
@Local Clown yeah, it's most prominent in east asia in particular. Some educated demographics in Asia know more about it in the sense that it's a fight for equality and not as radical as others make it out to be.
They don’t because fake feminists gave them the wrong idea. They make it seem like women are superior to men which couldn’t be farther from the truth. And ngl I see it because majority of “feminists” nowadays just hate men for no reason.
Well as a male myself, I felt bad for female artists. No one deserves to have such hate. I'm already aware that the industry itself is really toxic & double standards only add fuel to the fire. It's not just in K-pop, but globally.
I really love the fact that Ryujin talked about the comments on their hard choreography. I mean girls can actually do hard choreography as well but it just that most of them are given quite simple and cute type of choreography... I hope they are given choreography that can show their full talent. 💜💜💜💜
Good choreography doesn't have to be difficult to entertain and become successful. I think that a good choreography has to be as catchy as the song and in a way that the artist can have fun while doing, while singing live what is ignored by many groups in the name of "hard" choreography. This is fully implemented by bgs and accepted by fangirls.
@@cibasbrito I didn't mean to say that only hard choreography are Catchy... I just mean if they have the talent to do a little more hard choreography they should give them that.. 🙂🙂
Like legit, girls can dance like that too. If were to take this outside of kpop and head onto more dance-based groups, classes and communities, there are so many girls out there who dance powerful asf and even more btr than a lot of boy dancers. Take Kaycee Rice and Bailey Sok as an example.
This is the dark side of kpop -Years of harsh and hard training -Not getting enough rest and sleep -Not getting paid fairly -Can't date someone -Bashers and Haters -Mental health issues -Sasaeng and Privacy -It looks like they are the animals in the circus who are suffering and trapped, controlled. Despite of the haters and mental health issues that they have suffering they're still passionate of what they are doing, because they make people happy with their performance
True right...they have to compete in hunger games kind of situation for the debut, against your friends for one position in team and then when you debut the haters bash you for doing something which is your own personal thing...seriously they get bashed for reading a book or just by being healthy..
Ikr. Ones trainees become idols, they are expected to be the definition of perfect and if they do the slightest thing wrong, they get so much hate. Like, let them breath for once!!
@@user-zx3hj7zr9m I know what you mean :) That's the reason I don't consider myself like a K-pop fan, because I can see how controlling and toxic is that industry ;) Now I'm a fan of 3 groups and try to support them, but I think that I will became just a casual listener/fan in the future :)
But this was becauseanother reason . There are more boy groups than girl groups so they are more. There are more boy groups because it is way easier to form a boy grouo while in girl groups they need to have the cute image most cases
@kim Taehyung scott yes they don't but majority of them do. It's not even about the cute concept. The girl s have to match unreal beauty standard while guys are usually more accepted. It's harder to form an acceptable girl group then boy group. Girl group gets way more hate then boy groups too. So companies usually prefer forming more boy groups over gg
those companies have more boy groups than girl groups . who else are they supposed to send ? yg won't send anyone other than treasure and sm changes their mind every year it seems
I don’t think it’s a negative thing because it’s about nominations, boy groups are more popular, it has nothing done with mistreatment or gender discrimination.
I'm studying feminism for my exam tomorrow then I saw this video .... I'm gonna take examples from this video.... It's perfect representation of Gender inequality
And the gag is boygroup stans refuse to acknowledge that girls have it harder. Even though boy group stans are primarily girls..., "they BOTH went through the training system, stop comparing" etc, some comparisons need to be made to show that there's inequality
@@RENUSHARMA-oz9zp What are you talking about? When talking about girls there’s always that one person who wants to bring males in. Yes they both go through it but we’re talking about the girls.
@MERCY STANLEY dang it i don't have twitter and insta because idk how to log in even though i know now but it didn't work waaaa i hope it works someday!
I still don't understand why male knetz are against female idol who support feminism??like bruh what's so wrong about uplifting and empowering women??💀
I LOVED HWASA'S PRETTY RED OUTFIT! I LOVED IU'S SMUDGED MAKEUP! I LOVED JOY'S SHIRT! I LOVED NAUEN'S PHONE CASE! I LOVED THAT IRENE READ THAT BOOK!! DOUBLE STANDARDS ARE LITERALLY TJE DUMBEST THING TO EVER EXIST! *thank you for coming to my TED talk* Edit: had to fix my typos lol
Tbh korean fans are way too narrow minded . They hate when their fav idol is in relationship like seriously ,if u guys truly love and respect them then just accept them . Because of such people idols are not able to live their life peacefully.
Blackpink got backlash for their kill this love photos because they had bruises and scars on their face (which were to represent her wounds in ended the relationship) but people said that they were just promoting abuse???? While you have male groups with scars, fake blood, bruises on their face and its OKAY because its part of the concept?????? What about jennie's nurse outfit issue?? They sexualized her and made yg take that part out of the music video. But then you have other male groups in "official" uniforms(such as doctors, police officers) and no one says anything.
I understand what you are saying and you are right but the nurse outfit I believe could have been at an appropriate length. Nurses were angry because they felt some people were using their clothes in a sexualised manner which they didn’t like so if the stylist had put in more effort to make it a bit longer I don’t think they would have had an issue with it
@@pryslarafoaquah9398 i respect what u said because i get it. No one wants their job to be sexualized. But jennies nurse dress was appropriate length as it covered he cleavage and it went to her knees. She didnt do anything sexual she was just sitting.
You forgot how BLACKPINK's song 'Ice Cream' was criticised for having lyrics which seemed sexual while they weren't but those same people praise male idols for having real overtly sexual songs. Love your video anyways. ❤
I don't think they should be critcized for it but uh those lyrics definitely were sexual inneudos. That doesn't mean it's the only valid interpretation of the lyrics, but it's definitely there. Selena's lines are more blatant but also: "Even in the sun you know I keep it icy . You could take a lick but it’s too cold to bite me" "Look so good yeah look so sweet. Looking good enough to eat/Baby you deserve a treat" "Ice on my wrist yeah I like it like this. Get the bag with the cream. If you know what I mean" "You’re the only touch yeah they get me melting. He’s my favorite flavor always gonna pick him" "You’re the cherry piece just stay on top of me so. I can’t see nobody else for me no" "Get it flip it scoop it. Do it like that ah yeah ah yeah. Like it love it lick it. Do it like lalala oh yeah" Which is almost the entire song with Selena's lyrics. It's clear the the girls are ice cream (in most of the lyrics) and they're singing to a male who's their "favorite flavor" and "cherry piece" on top of them. There's also in there a number of references to him licking them as "ice cream", so yeah. This is the least explicit way I can point this out, but plently of people have done further analysis on this if you're curious/not convinced. Also, Ariana's writing contribution should be noted here is she is pretty much the queen of sexual innuedo in pop music. Also, from what I've seen there's also a fair amount of critique on the fact the music video portrays them as childlike/aged down which with the sexual innuedo is understandably problematic. You're point though on the gender inequality of it is definitely spot on though on the criticism of the lyrics vs male idols praises for similar lyrics.
This is why I stan Mamamoo, Solar purposely ripping her shirt and posed like a model to pole dancing, Moonbyul dressing more masculine and writing her own raps, Wheein talking openly about mental health, and Hwasa eating whatever she wants on television, that even if they receive a lot of bashes for their appearances, they still insist on their natural look. Kudos to their CEO who lets them wear outfits that they want and what they are comfortable of.
I THINK MOST OF THE KOREAN MALES ARE SHY.. IT'S THEIR COMPANY TOLD THEM TO DO SEXY THINGS LIKE RIPPING SHIRT ON STAGE..YOU CAN EVEN SEE MANY FANS ONLY PRAISING THEIR SEXY LOOKS, NOT THEIR TALENTS...
Why do people have to take away the voices of the female idols. Female idols are not robots or anything of that sort they are also humans with a beautiful heart and soul, Please respect them.
I like boy groups, girls groups, and co-ed but the differences in criticism and expectations are pretty significant. Let's not just right it off as "it's the society" tho.
I actually like how Irene gives off a “strong” vibes because that reminds ppl that females shouldn’t only be naive and delicate. Because honestly, female idols who acts so innocent, pure, and naive seems less true to me i mean not all obviously but u know what i mean
this is an extremely informative video. but i think there another point that was missing: internal misogyny most kpop fans are girls. now i'm one of them but i'm almost 17 that is almost an adult. so i think kpop fans of age group 15 and above are quite mature and understanding of such issues. but the female fans who are below the age of 15 (not all, but most of them) tend to be partial towards their male idols. most of the time, it's these young girls who post about how girl groups have easier dances and are only famous for being "sexually appealing". it's mostly these young female fans who tend to underestimate girl groups. this includes telling things like "rapping is something only boys can do" and "visuals are the only reason they are famous" etc. we fail to realize that these girls do this because that is what they are taught to do. this is what the society teaches girls: IF ANY GIRL IS "PRETTIER" OR "MORE TALENTED" THAN YOU, SHE IS YOUR ENEMY. this sentence is 50% of the reason gender inequality exists. so girls, stand up for yourself. stand up for other girls as well. stand up for men too. and remember, you are beautiful from your soul, not your body. you are beautiful because of your deeds, not because of your face. and talking about talent, all us us are talented, but in different tings. so tell me, is there any reason to hate someone if she is "prettier" or "more talented"?
"We teach girls to shrink themselves, to make themselves smaller. We say to girls, you can have ambition, but not too much. You should aim to be successful, but not too successful. Otherwise you would threaten the men..." - Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie
I get your point, tho I am not sure that's the only reason. Standards are high for every gender however females have more backlash regarding their opinions (not to say men don't go through a lot)
@@bhawanadhandhania8213 every single mistake made by female idols will be criticized by female antis yes even feminism. For some fans following boy groups, they don’t give shit about feminist , it’s more important to ruin the girl group who may have chemistry with their supporting boy band
It’s not ‘standard’ it’s pure jealousy. Those antis hate the fact that those prettty female idols are in the same industry with their oppas will do anything to make excuse (feminism, Lolita etc) to ruin female idols career
I understand your point however I feel a few things are a bit off which make it sound like u are just blaming women (ik that's not true, but it sounds like that) 1. Feminism is not what most people think it is. It's to support equality (for both genders) and to lift people and acceptance 2. I just wanted to say that women are not the only ones who are causing this problem, everyone (yes, even women) are a part of this issue. All genders have their own problems but blaming any one gender for an issue seams not fair
It’s not ‘standard’ it’s pure jealousy. Those antis hate the fact that those prettty female idols are in the same industry with their oppas will do anything to make excuse (feminism, Lolita etc) to ruin female idols career
Unfortunately it happens everywhere, not only in Kpop. Even in the western music also, the double standards exist. Well lets say we atleast have taylor swift, selena gomez, Ariana Grande, Billie Eilish and many other. But if a Kpop female idol stands for equality, she gets bullied for that. I hope those people rot in hell.
when female idols wear revealing clothes for music shows and such people sexualise them even of they look uncomfortable. but when they do it in their own terms and are confident, people suddenly are mad.
girl group members being critizised for supporting feminism... i'll never understand. i'm so happy that red velvet are strong enough to stand up for their opinion
Taylor Swift on female artists: "I've never heard "HE has something I don't like about him" when it comes to male artist. I've never heard a male artist being critized for his "average voice",and never heard of someone saying "He's succesful due to his producer" whereas a female artists have to go through all these criticism. The industry doesn't accept women being succesful after passing 30,and we have to reinvent ourselves all the time in other to stay at the top" - She said this but I changed a little bit some of her words because it would've been so long. BTW a male artist is NEVER critized for doing the same concept all the time,but look at BLACKPINK or Billie Eilish,people are saying "change your concept" "change your sound" but never heard of someone critizing a male artist for never changing his sound lol
The bigger issue is when girlgroup stans openly start talking about these things they're called "annoying" and it's called "whining" by (mostly female) boygroup stans. We present to you ✨double standards ✨ imposed by women on women :)
@@oz1128 Look who's talking, a V.I.P, the former most toxic fandom in the world 😂 P.s. I've never seen any army hate on any gg except maybe Blackpink *sometimes* but that goes both ways Blinks are toxic af as well. But you can stay pressed it's fine 💜 (The bigger the fandom, more toxic it looks. Fandom A= 1000 fans Fandom B=10000 fans Both have 10% toxic fans Toxic fans of fandom A= (10/100)×1000= 100 toxic fans Toxic fans of fandom B=(10/100)×10000=1000 toxic fans I don't know why humans can not do basic maths, that's why they tell you to pay attention in school. So don't walk around calling any fandom "most toxic" you probably are no better. Your fandom isn't a bunch of angels who are getting invitation to serve as angels in heaven. It's just because army is the biggest that's why it looks more toxic but 90% of people are good but you just don't want to admit. And just because your fandom is calm now doesn't mean you didn't have a peak so don't be a hypocrite there)
@@niki5923 Lol this is youtube not English essay class..10/100000/10/20 what? Again, this is not math class... Delulu when making no sense: 20/1000/20/30 Nobody aint reading the rest of your essay..show it to your kindergarten teacher
@@oz1128 Lmao sure stay ignorant I have no intention to talk to people who probably haven't even graduated middle school and not able to do 5th standard maths 😂 you're like 10? Lmfao kids trying to put labels on people
The Irene issue where she scolded a Stylist for being unprofessional that causes her life in danger, many netizens bashed her and throw hates on her but when male kpop idols do that they are hot and savage In Jennie's case when she is accuse as "lazy" when in fat she's injured and experiencing breathing problems in stage but when a male idol caught being bland he is "tired" I mean yeah male idols are getting tired in performing too but so as Jennie but why treat her different Jennie is the punching bag of kpop As a woman it pisses me of
FACTUAL ERROR: Joy has NOT LEFT Red Velvet, and NEVER left the group as this report claims! It's sad that an otherwise worthy and necessary report ruins its credibility by getting simple and verifiable facts wrong!
Male idols : **take off their shirts** Them : oMg OpPaR yOu ArE tOo sExYy Female idols : **wears a little bit revealing outfit** Them : Eww how disgusting Like WTF
I am a feminist too . This situation is not only in kpop but it effect globally .I am a multikpopfan from india. 🇮🇳 . It's so annoying and harsh being suppressed by your own fans just for doing something that a normal Male idols do.
That's what actually Knetizens... They are like oppa oppa oppa... I really appreciate the GG who are fighting and standing head to head with Boy group.. GO Girls...
Thank you for using your CZcams channel to speak up about this problem. 💕 I tried to speak up about this problem many times but people called me "sensitive" or "hater". I got so much hate for thinking that men and woman should be equal! :( I think some people don't equality ...☹️ My wish is that boys and girls are equal... I'm thankful for everyone who thinks that men and woman should be equal. 💕
aside from it being absolutely ridiculous, one thing that also totally bothered me about the Hwasa red outfit scandal was that literally a few minutes before solar was wearing way less and doing a pole dancing act, i dont think either were too sexy or anything like that, but just the blatant hate for hwasa even though other idols wear the same or less clothing but havent recieved the same amount of hate makes me so mad. no one should ofc get hate and they dont deserve it, but even the double standards between female idols is absurd.
Not at how Irene was rude to the stylist and it's coined as the end of her career. Bigbang have committed crimes involving drugs and what not, spread misogynistic messages, made violently racist comments and they're still "the kings of kpop", y'all literally dragged Irene down to mud and let Bigbang get away with all the problematic things they've done. And now watch vips come at my throat trying to defend their "oppas" 🙄
One member is still on trial for some sexual assault case but it seems no one cares . But someone gives a rude comment and everyone is coming for her throat so disgusting
What you trying to say here I'm not a vip but bringing back old stuff/comparing wouldn't justify what she did was right..Irene did something wrong and she face the consequences BIGBANG members did something wrong and they face the consequences no need to make their fans sadder just because you want to justify your feminism movement or something/or justify/comparing which one should be treated the way you want according to your view...and some of the claims was proven wrong..and I'm an army
i agree, but please don't use korean terms while mocking. korean gp find it offensive. what irene did was wrong, i m not defending her but i think she got enough backlash nd people should stfu now.
honestly, not as fans but as humans we should love, accept, and understand because wether dark or light, young or old, woman or man we all come from the same soil, bleed the same blood, cry the same tears
I remember one time RV problematic fans made a big deal out of Irene not smiling at airport pics. When some good fans counterattack saying it just airport pics . She doesn't need to smile all the time afterall she is human too. A problematic fan replied "I buy her album, merch bcz of me she is famous and living so well , so she needs to look pretty and keep a smile all the time otherwise why did she become idol ?" I was so horrified after reading that comment. I still get goosebumps just by remembering this. How much of entitlement he felt just bcz he buys her album. Is just so terrifying. I seriously feel sorry for the idols both male and female for having fans like that guy.
The kpop industry is the PERFECT example of double standard and misogyny. Peopls except girl idols to wear short skirts during performances but when they decide to wear something revealing it's suddenly wrong. This is why I have a hard time stanning girl groups, their personalities are all the same because they are forced into acting as someone that isn't them. I know it's not their fault and I know they are all talented, but I just find it difficult to "connect" with the artists when they only put up a fake persona. What I'm seeing with 4th gen girl idols is that they are being more open and vocal about this topic as well as being more different, like itzy, dreamcatcher and lovelyz
The fact that the video ignored BLACKPINK, which is the biggest gg, says a lot. I wanted to understand this contempt that the K-pop community has for its biggest girl group ever.
As a Nct Stan, what Hendery did on Weibo should've been called out more, it was completely ignorant of him to do such a thing and fans are DEFENDING HIM!?!?! But if a female idol did such a thing she would be called stupid or uneducated or some would even say that she should leave the industry. The hypocrisy of it all.
Gender Equality is a human fight not just a female fight.Everyone should understand it . Every kpop idols should be given equal treats. It's not just based on that if female idols reveal too much then it's a sl*t and if male idols rip their shirts then they are looking hot It's just the mentality People themselves have to change it !!!!
This is the reason why I'll forever be a stronger girl group stan. As much they might do the same as male artists, the double standard our girls go through isn't right.
wearing revealing clothes should be a normal thing for girls and boys, it's not normal to criticize girls and praise boys man, i'll be okay with both males and females showing some skin unless they're not forced to do so p.s. Hwasa's outfit was iconic af
JENNIE was hated on for not clapping for BTS and she got hate for being disrespectful JIMIN didn't clap for Red Velvet and nothing happened JENNIE and her rbf she got hate JIMIN also has a rbf he got no hate
BLACKPINK is often called "overrated" or haters say "voices aren't good enough", "dance isn't good enough" ETC ETC BUTT where are all those criticism for boy groups when they literally have "normal or average voices" too? Boy groups can be discovered just lip syincing in a performance but "it's okay because the dance is hard LOL" but girl groups do the same and they're UNTALENTED, UNWORTHY OF FAME
I can’t understand what is wrong with Joy wearing the feminist shirt. What is wrong with wanting everyone to fight for gender equality? That is disgusting that the netizins read this in such a way, forcing her to stop her career in Red Velvet. That is inconsiderate to Joy, and the rest of the Red Velvet members. They shouldn’t have read it as inconsiderate when she wearing that shirt, considering she is promoting a shirt that promotes the want for a bigger move on gender equality.
I wish there is someone(female idol) who will scare korean netizens.And who said girls can't do anything if we start to do something ya'll can't tolerate us.TBH without us ya'll can't see the world with your eyes
To be honest what you added goes both ways, male idols are also bashed for their weight, they often have to starve themselves to get the bodies fans want. Baekhyun from exo literally starved himself to please a fan who said he’d look better with abs, and jimin from bts was and still is bodyshamed. That’s how the “jimin diet” got popularized. As for the outfits, male idols are sexualized and most of the time they don’t even want to wear the outfits take Kai from exo as an example, a stylist literally said “originally we put a shirt there but we took it off cuz he looked sexier without it” Kai was and still is sexualized, most of the time he looks really uncomfortable with these outfits but obviously no ones gonna talk about that cuz most of you follow the belief that male idols are pampered. Not to mention when a male idol checks a female idol out because she’s wearing revealing/attractive clothes people are quick to call them perverts and disgusting people, but when a female does the same when a male idol takes off his shirt in a performance people say she’s “relatable” and make jokes about it. People need to start opening their eyes and see how male idols are treated unfairly too.
Of course male idols are treated unfair too but it's no were near what girls have to experience, especially when it comes to criticism and hate from "fans".
@@Yomomcancomegetit it is near that as a matter of fact. Besides the dating hate they get they get the fair amount of hate. And also besides the rbf thing
@@Yomomcancomegetit the weight issue is just as bad for both male and female idols. I'm a female and can acknowledge that they both get extreme hate for it.
Yes, but that is exactly the point of being a female kpop idol (even male). Being the perfect delicate doll. The entertainment industry, plastic surgery, the government, society are so closely tied and the kpop female idols are basically role models for girls/women. It shows them what kind of woman they need to be, to be considered perfect woman. It's in the name itself. Being an idol, means that you are an example of perfection. That's why they all almost look identical. The same oval face, button up nose, double eyelids, v-shaped chin, slim body, tight waist, long legs, long hair... And if you don't have that naturally you go to plastic surgery or do dangerous diets. At no means I agree with this treatment, but that is something Korean women need to stop themselves. I think the only way of getting less crap from k-netizens is to seperate yourself from the title kpop idol and just be a singer, or band... You will still be criticized, but not as harsly when you are not trying to be the perfect idol in their eyes.
One thing I've seen in many female fans when they see any of their favourite male idols they can't able themselves to hide their sexual desire and say whatever they want to say which is sometimes quite disgusting. But when a male fan express his desire saying "He wants to marry her( any female idol)" then most of the female fans come at him start saying it spreads saesang propaganda when most of the saesangs are female . So double standards are everywhere.
I'm so glad that you talked about this topic, Cause it's really unfair not just to Idols but also to all females Out there that they have to deal with this a lot. When A girl Is over weight they get criticized, skinny criticized, Sexy criticized, pretty,ugly and almost all things girls do they get judge and criticized. I have too, myself have experienced all of this, and it is truly unfair and now Especially to female idols that they don't even get to do what a normal human being would. Instead of living their Dreams, they are now living a life of hell. THOSE TOXIC FANS DONT DESERVE TO LIVE IF THEY ONLY JUDGE, CRITICIZED AND SPREAD TOXICITY TO THEIR IDOLS!!!
This video is best explanation why I can't find it in myself go support boy groups/idols. As a woman I f*cking hate it when somebody tells me "you should do this or that because you're a woman" or "a woman shouldn't act like that!", hence why I wholeheartedly support only female idols. They are HUMAN BEINGS not f*cking dolls! Let them live however they want to, do whatever they want to and wear whatever they want to! And stay f*cking out of their lives! Yes, I do believe that men have it easier in life (you can criticize me for that, I honestly don't care about people's opinion and I'm too old to participate in comment wars), same goes for male idols. They are talented and all, but when they give their 100% of hard work, female idols are forced to give 10000% of even harder work. I hope one day female kpop idols will get their well deserved freedom or at least learn to not care about toxic "fans".
there's another. the controversy regarding blackpink's jennie from their latest song "lovesick girls". she was criticized for wearing a nurse outfit because it looked 'overtly sexual'; people said it was demeaning to other nurses. but on the other hand, male idols are praised for wearing (and even tearing) school uniforms in mvs; but doesn't that demean school-going students too?
another one is when in 2015 reportedly, Amber of f(x) was caught smoking in a club people had divided opinions but the 'fans' who who clearly relented this idea were commenting things like " But she is in a girl group, still" or " Girl group members should not act like this" even thought some supported her nonetheless saying things like " it is her life, she can live it however she wants" but recently one NCT member was also caught smoking somewhere and the fans turned it into a joke like " give me a puff too" or "atleast he won't have to smoke alone now" i mean even though smoking is obviously bad and harmful for your health treating males and females differently is obviously something that cannot be accepted even in india when a girl smokes people look at her weirdly and call her names and insult her but when a male does it people don't even bother
Male idols: ripped shirts through out the performance Knetz: Whoooo!! Chocolate abs! Female: wearing skirts Knetz: Yuck! she's fat! she's too!skinny! she's too dark! Their standards really sucks🙂
When a female idol is favoured by her company because she's talented. People say she have a sugar daddy When a male idol is favoured by him company. People say he is talented
I really appreciate the time you put on writing subtitles, English is not my first language so watching and listening your videos I can learn a little bit more. THANK YOU💗💗💗💗
When ryujin said how people praised them by comparing them to male groups I felt so angry, like girls can dance very good too if they didn't have to wear short dresses and high heels because that's what some people expect from them. It's honestly so annoying.
I love kpop female groups but I can't stand these stupid people and their behaviours anymore. This is not being a """fan""", neither a human being. This is bullying at his lowest, mixed with misogyny, body shaming, sometimes even racism. I would like to see all these amazing and talented female artists free to be themselves, enjoying their careers and happy lives. But no. They receive hate everytime they show strenght or - *even worse* - have a personal ✨o p i n i o n✨ about something important. The haters just don't want them to be capable of deciding by themselves or being independent in any way, they pretend dollish-girly vibes and shouted mouths. We as fans HAVE to change this horrible circle of events. It has happened before and will continue happening if we do nothing. The industry (which DOESN'T HELP THEM AT ALL) should protect and support them, but almost pretends like nothing is wrong (a clear demonstration of how they use double standards as well). PLS, PLS, PLS, we need SOLUTIONS! 🥺
Hwasa owned that bodysuit. I personally didn’t liked the style of it as much but the way she moved screamed confidence! And that’s what it’s about. An idol feeling herself or himself! On the other hand we often see idols being put into revealing outfits in which they seemingly feel uncomfortable and get criticized for not appearing confident. It’s just so messed up. You can’t do it right either way.
Male idols: rips shirt and looks sexy
Knetz: omg yessss oppa
Female idols: does the same thing
Knetz(not all): what a sl*t
So true, (also sorry its out of context but we have the same dp :DDD)
Why did u say knetz u can just say people instead of dat even international fans bash idols
True that, I agree with you. Female idols deserve better
@Gourab Mukherjee bruh who attacked Jennie when she was injured it was not even a issue in Korea y'all international fans were going crazy 😭
*male idol fans not only knetz..
Boys: let’s do this
Girls: do something similar
People: Shames the girls
Me: WHY , treat them equally
Because there is a lottttt of sexism in this world and a lot of people just don't want equality 😡
@@jennieatemyiphone9805 ikr!!! Like, is it so hard to treat everyone equally?? Put aside gender and skin colour, WE ARE STILL HUMAN!!! NOT SOME INFERIOR BEINGS!!!
@@jennieatemyiphone9805 I'm sorry, I don't Stan blackpink, but I LOVE their music and admire their hard work. Please don't steal my cookies 😅
@@ann__a_ot7600 or just teaching humans to treat everyone with basic respect
@@jennieatemyiphone9805
I basically argued about "HoW wOmEn ArE oPpReSsEd" tf is wrong with people who think women have it easy?
The double standard and misogyny is sickening
exactly
I can’t even see that I’m icy because of them ugh😩✨
Meanwhile,
BTS ARMY: Hating on girl groups
The most toxic fandom in the world is at work again
@@oz1128 Lmfao you are copy pasting this comment literally everywhere as if no one other than armys hate on girlgroups. All fandoms are toxic af
Fcking troll
@@oz1128 every fandom have toxic fan, stop stereotyping .
Don’t forget how Sulli wasn’t allow to go braless in public
Literally bashed for simply breathing
People still didn't realise what they are doing even after sulli's death
It’s Korea, they are really conservatisme and are not used to this. It’s an old mindset that can not change like that.
@@butterflytyra But what's more crazy how Korea is a feminist country, yet they bash female idols when they simply act like themselves :/
@@nicolebastien5887Korea isn't a feminist country lol where'd you got that idea from.
That peoples criticized joy are really so annoying. So immature. They don't even know the real meaning of feminism.
They actually don't
If someone embarrasses female idols or even a normal woman then it's fine but if a woman says that she supports feminism then people start imposing her the blame of being a sexist? Like whyyy?🤧
Feminism is seen negatively in SK, I think. They associate it with some extremist feminist protests in the US which blows the whole movement out of proportion
I read somewhere that feminism is seen very wrongly in Korea. They see feminists as feminazis. They have wrong concept of feminism. Idk how this happened there but this needs to stop.
@Local Clown yeah, it's most prominent in east asia in particular. Some educated demographics in Asia know more about it in the sense that it's a fight for equality and not as radical as others make it out to be.
They don’t because fake feminists gave them the wrong idea. They make it seem like women are superior to men which couldn’t be farther from the truth. And ngl I see it because majority of “feminists” nowadays just hate men for no reason.
Well as a male myself, I felt bad for female artists. No one deserves to have such hate. I'm already aware that the industry itself is really toxic & double standards only add fuel to the fire. It's not just in K-pop, but globally.
Thank you
Aww thnx I hope more men like you exist
Not only kpop but society also, and thank you I hope we have more males like you
Thanku for understanding
PREACH
I really love the fact that Ryujin talked about the comments on their hard choreography. I mean girls can actually do hard choreography as well but it just that most of them are given quite simple and cute type of choreography... I hope they are given choreography that can show their full talent. 💜💜💜💜
Exactly we've seen their dance covers. they killed it!!!
Good choreography doesn't have to be difficult to entertain and become successful. I think that a good choreography has to be as catchy as the song and in a way that the artist can have fun while doing, while singing live what is ignored by many groups in the name of "hard" choreography. This is fully implemented by bgs and accepted by fangirls.
@@cibasbrito I didn't mean to say that only hard choreography are Catchy... I just mean if they have the talent to do a little more hard choreography they should give them that.. 🙂🙂
Like legit, girls can dance like that too. If were to take this outside of kpop and head onto more dance-based groups, classes and communities, there are so many girls out there who dance powerful asf and even more btr than a lot of boy dancers. Take Kaycee Rice and Bailey Sok as an example.
Aghhhh i hate their double standards 😡😡
This is the dark side of kpop
-Years of harsh and hard training
-Not getting enough rest and sleep
-Not getting paid fairly
-Can't date someone
-Bashers and Haters
-Mental health issues
-Sasaeng and Privacy
-It looks like they are the animals in the circus who are suffering and trapped, controlled. Despite of the haters and mental health issues that they have suffering they're still passionate of what they are doing, because they make people happy with their performance
True right...they have to compete in hunger games kind of situation for the debut, against your friends for one position in team and then when you debut the haters bash you for doing something which is your own personal thing...seriously they get bashed for reading a book or just by being healthy..
Ikr. Ones trainees become idols, they are expected to be the definition of perfect and if they do the slightest thing wrong, they get so much hate. Like, let them breath for once!!
when I first entered Kpop I thought this will be a very happy place with everyone together but now I regret entering in here......
@@user-zx3hj7zr9m I know what you mean :) That's the reason I don't consider myself like a K-pop fan, because I can see how controlling and toxic is that industry ;) Now I'm a fan of 3 groups and try to support them, but I think that I will became just a casual listener/fan in the future :)
You took the words right out of my mouth. It only been a month since I been checking out kpop. Everything you said is what I seen from it.
Look at MAMA Award.. Only 5 girl group perform then 15 boy group... Sooo fckng obvious
But this was becauseanother reason . There are more boy groups than girl groups so they are more. There are more boy groups because it is way easier to form a boy grouo while in girl groups they need to have the cute image most cases
@kim Taehyung scott yes they don't but majority of them do. It's not even about the cute concept. The girl s have to match unreal beauty standard while guys are usually more accepted. It's harder to form an acceptable girl group then boy group. Girl group gets way more hate then boy groups too. So companies usually prefer forming more boy groups over gg
MAMA is a snake and we all know that, still proud of 2NE1 for being the only gg ever winning aoty...
those companies have more boy groups than girl groups . who else are they supposed to send ? yg won't send anyone other than treasure and sm changes their mind every year it seems
I don’t think it’s a negative thing because it’s about nominations, boy groups are more popular, it has nothing done with mistreatment or gender discrimination.
I'm studying feminism for my exam tomorrow then I saw this video .... I'm gonna take examples from this video.... It's perfect representation of Gender inequality
i swear if u don't pass this subject i'll shave your eyebrows
@@nehagurung9366 are you one of namjoon's family? 😆
@@user-cx7xo6no6w YUP the destruction family
@Local Clown haha ofc
Why, hello there my fello army
And the gag is boygroup stans refuse to acknowledge that girls have it harder. Even though boy group stans are primarily girls..., "they BOTH went through the training system, stop comparing" etc, some comparisons need to be made to show that there's inequality
@MERCY STANLEY o.o my first kpop mutual. I don't need proof but I'd like to make a mutual XD. Its @psych_troll
@MERCY STANLEY u are right. I also personally witnessed such situations as well. I hope with time it disappears.
@@RENUSHARMA-oz9zp What are you talking about? When talking about girls there’s always that one person who wants to bring males in. Yes they both go through it but we’re talking about the girls.
They need to understand that just because we talk more about female idol's problems, it doesn't mean we are forgetting male idols!
@MERCY STANLEY dang it i don't have twitter and insta because idk how to log in even though i know now but it didn't work waaaa i hope it works someday!
This video content not just apply to Kpop only. It globally as general.
I still don't understand why male knetz are against female idol who support feminism??like bruh what's so wrong about uplifting and empowering women??💀
Feminism>>>>
-a boy ✊😔
@@squidp5066 you are type of men that we need more of.
misogyny
it's pure patriarchy they are scared of these female idols becoming feminists because they know they'd have a huge impact in their female audience
In Korea, they have this misguided definition of feminism. They associate it as extremist feminazis
I LOVED HWASA'S PRETTY RED OUTFIT! I LOVED IU'S SMUDGED MAKEUP! I LOVED JOY'S SHIRT! I LOVED NAUEN'S PHONE CASE! I LOVED THAT IRENE READ THAT BOOK!! DOUBLE STANDARDS ARE LITERALLY TJE DUMBEST THING TO EVER EXIST!
*thank you for coming to my TED talk*
Edit: had to fix my typos lol
Honestly!!!!
*claps * best ted talk ever 💜
@@muskaanshah4991 thank u lol
We have the same thinking dude
Are we sharing one brain cell
knetz: majority of rv fans are male
reveluvs: 90% are female
So true
True, whoever bash Irene & Joy are haters
I did think they were mostly male although they have a lot of female fans
@@Girldont-ib6vw nah they are mostly women
Honestly when they say males i think majority are gay boys lol we gays love red velvet ✨
Tbh korean fans are way too narrow minded . They hate when their fav idol is in relationship like seriously ,if u guys truly love and respect them then just accept them . Because of such people idols are not able to live their life peacefully.
Yeah ik
Well it is not only korea but in other countries also. I am talking as a Indian.
@@vikrantspatil530this thing dont happen in india....i mean no one cares here who a celebrity dating or nott
@@vikrantspatil530 not really for example the weight loss issue you might get called out but it happens to both genders
@@anoushkapramanik4310 True..... but research says that women get affected for 67% more then men
Blackpink got backlash for their kill this love photos because they had bruises and scars on their face (which were to represent her wounds in ended the relationship) but people said that they were just promoting abuse???? While you have male groups with scars, fake blood, bruises on their face and its OKAY because its part of the concept??????
What about jennie's nurse outfit issue?? They sexualized her and made yg take that part out of the music video. But then you have other male groups in "official" uniforms(such as doctors, police officers) and no one says anything.
@MERCY STANLEY righttttt
I understand what you are saying and you are right but the nurse outfit I believe could have been at an appropriate length. Nurses were angry because they felt some people were using their clothes in a sexualised manner which they didn’t like so if the stylist had put in more effort to make it a bit longer I don’t think they would have had an issue with it
@@pryslarafoaquah9398 i respect what u said because i get it. No one wants their job to be sexualized. But jennies nurse dress was appropriate length as it covered he cleavage and it went to her knees. She didnt do anything sexual she was just sitting.
You forgot how BLACKPINK's song 'Ice Cream' was criticised for having lyrics which seemed sexual while they weren't but those same people praise male idols for having real overtly sexual songs. Love your video anyways. ❤
I could be wrong but I thought the backlash was because of sexual innuendos or sexual undertoned while doing a cute concept
I don't think they should be critcized for it but uh those lyrics definitely were sexual inneudos. That doesn't mean it's the only valid interpretation of the lyrics, but it's definitely there. Selena's lines are more blatant but also:
"Even in the sun you know I keep it icy
. You could take a lick but it’s too cold to bite me"
"Look so good yeah look so sweet. Looking good enough to eat/Baby you deserve a treat"
"Ice on my wrist yeah I like it like this. Get the bag with the cream. If you know what I mean"
"You’re the only touch yeah they get me melting. He’s my favorite flavor always gonna pick him"
"You’re the cherry piece just stay on top of me so. I can’t see nobody else for me no"
"Get it flip it scoop it. Do it like that ah yeah ah yeah. Like it love it lick it. Do it like lalala oh yeah"
Which is almost the entire song with Selena's lyrics. It's clear the the girls are ice cream (in most of the lyrics) and they're singing to a male who's their "favorite flavor" and "cherry piece" on top of them. There's also in there a number of references to him licking them as "ice cream", so yeah. This is the least explicit way I can point this out, but plently of people have done further analysis on this if you're curious/not convinced. Also, Ariana's writing contribution should be noted here is she is pretty much the queen of sexual innuedo in pop music.
Also, from what I've seen there's also a fair amount of critique on the fact the music video portrays them as childlike/aged down which with the sexual innuedo is understandably problematic.
You're point though on the gender inequality of it is definitely spot on though on the criticism of the lyrics vs male idols praises for similar lyrics.
Example nct @susmira Das
@@neopanda6432 WAY V Love Talk also
Plus the nurse costume of Jennie on LSG that issue is so damn low for them yo be noticed
Male idols - doesn't smile.
Knetz - wow, he is so hot.
Female idols - doesn't smile.
Knetz - She is so rude.
Please stop this , they are also humans.
This is why I stan Mamamoo, Solar purposely ripping her shirt and posed like a model to pole dancing, Moonbyul dressing more masculine and writing her own raps, Wheein talking openly about mental health, and Hwasa eating whatever she wants on television, that even if they receive a lot of bashes for their appearances, they still insist on their natural look. Kudos to their CEO who lets them wear outfits that they want and what they are comfortable of.
Am i the only one who feels uncomfortable when a male idol is shirtless
Same it makes me cringe so hard, but that might be because I don't like guys haha
Yeah I feel the same. Also when female idols wear revealing clothing as well.
Yeah it is so fucking disgusting. I like thick thighs like Hwasa's
@@nakomochi3117 There’s a difference
I THINK MOST OF THE KOREAN MALES ARE SHY.. IT'S THEIR COMPANY TOLD THEM TO DO SEXY THINGS LIKE RIPPING SHIRT ON STAGE..YOU CAN EVEN SEE MANY FANS ONLY PRAISING THEIR SEXY LOOKS, NOT THEIR TALENTS...
Why do people have to take away the voices of the female idols. Female idols are not robots or anything of that sort they are also humans with a beautiful heart and soul, Please respect them.
I agree.
I like boy groups, girls groups, and co-ed but the differences in criticism and expectations are pretty significant. Let's not just right it off as "it's the society" tho.
Well hwasa is changing the rule
I Stan an UNBOTHERED QUEEN
right!
I stan
Hwasa be giving the K-pop female idol standers a punch in the face
@Cynthia Arevalo Martinez of course not! She's bomb!!!
I really want Cardi B to swear those narrow minded people.
😂👍👍👍yeah
Oh cmon i really want cardi B to swear those idiots by songs
YES PLEASE
I don't think that'll happen too soon but y'all we have JESSI
@@basantasenabiswas9459yass
I actually like how Irene gives off a “strong” vibes because that reminds ppl that females shouldn’t only be naive and delicate. Because honestly, female idols who acts so innocent, pure, and naive seems less true to me i mean not all obviously but u know what i mean
They act that way so people will like them . I like the fact that people like Irene don’t force themselves to smile if they don’t want to
@@pryslarafoaquah9398 yeah. Because showing “forced” attitude on cam will only make fans believe that idols are saints
All I know is that hwasa slayed that red outfit 😂😂
Come at me if u have a problème with my opinion
Fact
this is an extremely informative video. but i think there another point that was missing: internal misogyny
most kpop fans are girls. now i'm one of them but i'm almost 17 that is almost an adult. so i think kpop fans of age group 15 and above are quite mature and understanding of such issues. but the female fans who are below the age of 15 (not all, but most of them) tend to be partial towards their male idols. most of the time, it's these young girls who post about how girl groups have easier dances and are only famous for being "sexually appealing". it's mostly these young female fans who tend to underestimate girl groups. this includes telling things like "rapping is something only boys can do" and "visuals are the only reason they are famous" etc.
we fail to realize that these girls do this because that is what they are taught to do. this is what the society teaches girls: IF ANY GIRL IS "PRETTIER" OR "MORE TALENTED" THAN YOU, SHE IS YOUR ENEMY. this sentence is 50% of the reason gender inequality exists.
so girls, stand up for yourself. stand up for other girls as well. stand up for men too. and remember, you are beautiful from your soul, not your body. you are beautiful because of your deeds, not because of your face. and talking about talent, all us us are talented, but in different tings. so tell me, is there any reason to hate someone if she is "prettier" or "more talented"?
"We teach girls to shrink themselves, to make themselves smaller. We say to girls, you can have ambition, but not too much. You should aim to be successful, but not too successful. Otherwise you would threaten the men..." - Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie
I really love today's content!!!!❣️❣️
Glad you find it meaningful. Thank you for watching the video 😘
Same
It is sad that how the people who are rooting for feminism now were mad when BLACKPINK was nominated for a male dominated category!!
You are really right , I am feeling so bad for female idols ....
cuz most people that is a kpop fan are girls, so thats why female idol are being criticized.
YOUR VIDEO ARE VERY TRUE!
I get your point, tho I am not sure that's the only reason. Standards are high for every gender however females have more backlash regarding their opinions (not to say men don't go through a lot)
@@bhawanadhandhania8213 every single mistake made by female idols will be criticized by female antis yes even feminism. For some fans following boy groups, they don’t give shit about feminist , it’s more important to ruin the girl group who may have chemistry with their supporting boy band
It’s not ‘standard’ it’s pure jealousy. Those antis hate the fact that those prettty female idols are in the same industry with their oppas will do anything to make excuse (feminism, Lolita etc) to ruin female idols career
I understand your point however I feel a few things are a bit off which make it sound like u are just blaming women (ik that's not true, but it sounds like that)
1. Feminism is not what most people think it is. It's to support equality (for both genders) and to lift people and acceptance
2. I just wanted to say that women are not the only ones who are causing this problem, everyone (yes, even women) are a part of this issue.
All genders have their own problems but blaming any one gender for an issue seams not fair
This is the one of the biggest reasons, totally agree
The sad thing is sometimes it's women bringing other women down. It's like one step forward, two steps back. 😔
Some kpop fans are too possessive.
They think that kpop idols exist for them only.
They are living with their own standard specially for girls i hate that!!!!!!! Its so so annoying!!!!!
It’s not ‘standard’ it’s pure jealousy. Those antis hate the fact that those prettty female idols are in the same industry with their oppas will do anything to make excuse (feminism, Lolita etc) to ruin female idols career
Unfortunately it happens everywhere, not only in Kpop. Even in the western music also, the double standards exist. Well lets say we atleast have taylor swift, selena gomez, Ariana Grande, Billie Eilish and many other. But if a Kpop female idol stands for equality, she gets bullied for that. I hope those people rot in hell.
Unfortunately this issue is not just in the Kpop world bc they live in a misogynistic society!
when female idols wear revealing clothes for music shows and such people sexualise them even of they look uncomfortable. but when they do it in their own terms and are confident, people suddenly are mad.
girl group members being critizised for supporting feminism... i'll never understand. i'm so happy that red velvet are strong enough to stand up for their opinion
Taylor Swift on female artists:
"I've never heard "HE has something I don't like about him" when it comes to male artist. I've never heard a male artist being critized for his "average voice",and never heard of someone saying "He's succesful due to his producer" whereas a female artists have to go through all these criticism. The industry doesn't accept women being succesful after passing 30,and we have to reinvent ourselves all the time in other to stay at the top" - She said this but I changed a little bit some of her words because it would've been so long. BTW a male artist is NEVER critized for doing the same concept all the time,but look at BLACKPINK or Billie Eilish,people are saying "change your concept" "change your sound" but never heard of someone critizing a male artist for never changing his sound lol
Being a woman myself I would never choose be an idol no matter how passionate I am bc I'm a human being not a fkn animal, don't treat me like one.
"We all should be feminist " end of the story...❤️❤️
The bigger issue is when girlgroup stans openly start talking about these things they're called "annoying" and it's called "whining" by (mostly female) boygroup stans.
We present to you ✨double standards ✨ imposed by women on women :)
facts indeed !
Meanwhile,
BTS ARMY: Hating on girl groups
The most toxic fandom in the world is at work again
@@oz1128 Look who's talking, a V.I.P, the former most toxic fandom in the world 😂
P.s. I've never seen any army hate on any gg except maybe Blackpink *sometimes* but that goes both ways Blinks are toxic af as well. But you can stay pressed it's fine 💜
(The bigger the fandom, more toxic it looks.
Fandom A= 1000 fans
Fandom B=10000 fans
Both have 10% toxic fans
Toxic fans of fandom A= (10/100)×1000= 100 toxic fans
Toxic fans of fandom B=(10/100)×10000=1000 toxic fans
I don't know why humans can not do basic maths, that's why they tell you to pay attention in school. So don't walk around calling any fandom "most toxic" you probably are no better. Your fandom isn't a bunch of angels who are getting invitation to serve as angels in heaven. It's just because army is the biggest that's why it looks more toxic but 90% of people are good but you just don't want to admit. And just because your fandom is calm now doesn't mean you didn't have a peak so don't be a hypocrite there)
@@niki5923
Lol this is youtube not English essay class..10/100000/10/20 what? Again, this is not math class...
Delulu when making no sense: 20/1000/20/30
Nobody aint reading the rest of your essay..show it to your kindergarten teacher
@@oz1128 Lmao sure stay ignorant I have no intention to talk to people who probably haven't even graduated middle school and not able to do 5th standard maths 😂 you're like 10? Lmfao kids trying to put labels on people
The Irene issue where she scolded a Stylist for being unprofessional that causes her life in danger, many netizens bashed her and throw hates on her but when male kpop idols do that they are hot and savage
In Jennie's case when she is accuse as "lazy" when in fat she's injured and experiencing breathing problems in stage but when a male idol caught being bland he is "tired"
I mean yeah male idols are getting tired in performing too but so as Jennie but why treat her different
Jennie is the punching bag of kpop
As a woman it pisses me of
FACTUAL ERROR: Joy has NOT LEFT Red Velvet, and NEVER left the group as this report claims! It's sad that an otherwise worthy and necessary report ruins its credibility by getting simple and verifiable facts wrong!
They never said she left the grp.
At the 4:10 mark, the video states Joy received negative comments, forcing her to leave Red Velvet.”
Dramatic much
@@seema6997 You talking to me? See IMHO's comment.
When male idol is being rude fans be like he is Savage , hot etc but when a female idol is being rude fans be like she is disrespectful and hate her
Male idols : **take off their shirts**
Them : oMg OpPaR yOu ArE tOo sExYy
Female idols : **wears a little bit revealing outfit**
Them : Eww how disgusting
Like WTF
please don't use korean terms while mocking. korean gp find it offensive.
@Lia Khan what did females do wrong ? I didn't say men should not do that but like why women can't ?
I was the crazy k-pop fan before but realizing everyday how I put burden on those idols , I leave kpop world of a fan.
I feel so bad for them🥺🥺🥺
Me too.
I am a feminist too . This situation is not only in kpop but it effect globally .I am a multikpopfan from india. 🇮🇳 . It's so annoying and harsh being suppressed by your own fans just for doing something that a normal Male idols do.
That's what actually Knetizens... They are like oppa oppa oppa... I really appreciate the GG who are fighting and standing head to head with Boy group.. GO Girls...
Thank you for using your CZcams channel to speak up about this problem. 💕
I tried to speak up about this problem many times but people called me "sensitive" or "hater". I got so much hate for thinking that men and woman should be equal! :(
I think some people don't equality ...☹️ My wish is that boys and girls are equal...
I'm thankful for everyone who thinks that men and woman should be equal. 💕
We're glad you find our work meaningful 😇 Thank you so much for your support!
Honestly forget them, to me it seems like they are the sensitive ones who think their opinion is above correct.
It's like Sulli when she posted in braless on IG but netizens criticized her.
Then she died due to suicide and cyberbullying.
This shows how toxic Kpop fans are (some)
aside from it being absolutely ridiculous, one thing that also totally bothered me about the Hwasa red outfit scandal was that literally a few minutes before solar was wearing way less and doing a pole dancing act, i dont think either were too sexy or anything like that, but just the blatant hate for hwasa even though other idols wear the same or less clothing but havent recieved the same amount of hate makes me so mad. no one should ofc get hate and they dont deserve it, but even the double standards between female idols is absurd.
hwasa is a legendary women..
She is strong.... Nothing can stop her....💜💜
Not at how Irene was rude to the stylist and it's coined as the end of her career. Bigbang have committed crimes involving drugs and what not, spread misogynistic messages, made violently racist comments and they're still "the kings of kpop", y'all literally dragged Irene down to mud and let Bigbang get away with all the problematic things they've done. And now watch vips come at my throat trying to defend their "oppas" 🙄
😲😲omg !
One member is still on trial for some sexual assault case but it seems no one cares . But someone gives a rude comment and everyone is coming for her throat so disgusting
@@pryslarafoaquah9398 😲😲 these are the truths that no one knows or cares about
What you trying to say here I'm not a vip but bringing back old stuff/comparing wouldn't justify what she did was right..Irene did something wrong and she face the consequences BIGBANG members did something wrong and they face the consequences no need to make their fans sadder just because you want to justify your feminism movement or something/or justify/comparing which one should be treated the way you want according to your view...and some of the claims was proven wrong..and I'm an army
i agree, but please don't use korean terms while mocking. korean gp find it offensive.
what irene did was wrong, i m not defending her but i think she got enough backlash nd people should stfu now.
honestly, not as fans but as humans we should love, accept, and understand because wether dark or light, young or old, woman or man we all come from the same soil, bleed the same blood, cry the same tears
I remember one time RV problematic fans made a big deal out of Irene not smiling at airport pics.
When some good fans counterattack saying it just airport pics . She doesn't need to smile all the time afterall she is human too. A problematic fan replied "I buy her album, merch bcz of me she is famous and living so well , so she needs to look pretty and keep a smile all the time otherwise why did she become idol ?"
I was so horrified after reading that comment. I still get goosebumps just by remembering this. How much of entitlement he felt just bcz he buys her album. Is just so terrifying.
I seriously feel sorry for the idols both male and female for having fans like that guy.
The kpop industry is the PERFECT example of double standard and misogyny. Peopls except girl idols to wear short skirts during performances but when they decide to wear something revealing it's suddenly wrong. This is why I have a hard time stanning girl groups, their personalities are all the same because they are forced into acting as someone that isn't them. I know it's not their fault and I know they are all talented, but I just find it difficult to "connect" with the artists when they only put up a fake persona. What I'm seeing with 4th gen girl idols is that they are being more open and vocal about this topic as well as being more different, like itzy, dreamcatcher and lovelyz
Couldn't agree MORE! Gender equality is so important in all aspects such as workplace, business and in KPOP!
The sad thing is expect body shaming most of these are women who hate on women
Really 🤔
How do u know?
@@what8194 Jealousy
The fact that the video ignored BLACKPINK, which is the biggest gg, says a lot. I wanted to understand this contempt that the K-pop community has for its biggest girl group ever.
It’s always been and will always will be much harder for female idols
As a Nct Stan, what Hendery did on Weibo should've been called out more, it was completely ignorant of him to do such a thing and fans are DEFENDING HIM!?!?! But if a female idol did such a thing she would be called stupid or uneducated or some would even say that she should leave the industry. The hypocrisy of it all.
I know this is off topic but....your voice is pretty...i love your vid and bringing these problems to light
Thank you for your kind comment 😇💖
Gender Equality is a human fight not just a female fight.Everyone should understand it .
Every kpop idols should be given equal treats.
It's not just based on that if female idols reveal too much then it's a sl*t and if male idols rip their shirts then they are looking hot
It's just the mentality
People themselves have to change it !!!!
Thees people who says thses stiff about females should listen to bps raps
Sooooooo true
@ILuvYoo Blackpink
This is the reason why I'll forever be a stronger girl group stan. As much they might do the same as male artists, the double standard our girls go through isn't right.
Same.
wearing revealing clothes should be a normal thing for girls and boys, it's not normal to criticize girls and praise boys
man, i'll be okay with both males and females showing some skin unless they're not forced to do so
p.s. Hwasa's outfit was iconic af
JENNIE was hated on for not clapping for BTS and she got hate for being disrespectful
JIMIN didn't clap for Red Velvet and nothing happened
JENNIE and her rbf she got hate
JIMIN also has a rbf he got no hate
BLACKPINK is often called "overrated" or haters say "voices aren't good enough", "dance isn't good enough" ETC ETC BUTT where are all those criticism for boy groups when they literally have "normal or average voices" too? Boy groups can be discovered just lip syincing in a performance but "it's okay because the dance is hard LOL" but girl groups do the same and they're UNTALENTED, UNWORTHY OF FAME
I can’t understand what is wrong with Joy wearing the feminist shirt. What is wrong with wanting everyone to fight for gender equality? That is disgusting that the netizins read this in such a way, forcing her to stop her career in Red Velvet. That is inconsiderate to Joy, and the rest of the Red Velvet members. They shouldn’t have read it as inconsiderate when she wearing that shirt, considering she is promoting a shirt that promotes the want for a bigger move on gender equality.
I wish there is someone(female idol) who will scare korean netizens.And who said girls can't do anything if we start to do something ya'll can't tolerate us.TBH without us ya'll can't see the world with your eyes
The double standards are so sickening !!!
Double Standards are so unfair 🙁
Even though Hwasa got a lot of critissim she still wear something revealing which is for me a queen behaviour
Unpopular opinion: I think that neither the boys or girls should be sexualized and should all be appreciated for their talent only.
To be honest what you added goes both ways, male idols are also bashed for their weight, they often have to starve themselves to get the bodies fans want. Baekhyun from exo literally starved himself to please a fan who said he’d look better with abs, and jimin from bts was and still is bodyshamed. That’s how the “jimin diet” got popularized. As for the outfits, male idols are sexualized and most of the time they don’t even want to wear the outfits take Kai from exo as an example, a stylist literally said “originally we put a shirt there but we took it off cuz he looked sexier without it” Kai was and still is sexualized, most of the time he looks really uncomfortable with these outfits but obviously no ones gonna talk about that cuz most of you follow the belief that male idols are pampered. Not to mention when a male idol checks a female idol out because she’s wearing revealing/attractive clothes people are quick to call them perverts and disgusting people, but when a female does the same when a male idol takes off his shirt in a performance people say she’s “relatable” and make jokes about it. People need to start opening their eyes and see how male idols are treated unfairly too.
Highly agree with you
Of course male idols are treated unfair too but it's no were near what girls have to experience, especially when it comes to criticism and hate from "fans".
@@Yomomcancomegetit it is near that as a matter of fact. Besides the dating hate they get they get the fair amount of hate. And also besides the rbf thing
@@Yomomcancomegetit the weight issue is just as bad for both male and female idols. I'm a female and can acknowledge that they both get extreme hate for it.
Yeah, but female idols get way worse things then weight
Yes, but that is exactly the point of being a female kpop idol (even male). Being the perfect delicate doll.
The entertainment industry, plastic surgery, the government, society are so closely tied and the kpop female idols are basically role models for girls/women. It shows them what kind of woman they need to be, to be considered perfect woman.
It's in the name itself. Being an idol, means that you are an example of perfection. That's why they all almost look identical. The same oval face, button up nose, double eyelids, v-shaped chin, slim body, tight waist, long legs, long hair... And if you don't have that naturally you go to plastic surgery or do dangerous diets.
At no means I agree with this treatment, but that is something Korean women need to stop themselves.
I think the only way of getting less crap from k-netizens is to seperate yourself from the title kpop idol and just be a singer, or band... You will still be criticized, but not as harsly when you are not trying to be the perfect idol in their eyes.
One thing I've seen in many female fans when they see any of their favourite male idols they can't able themselves to hide their sexual desire and say whatever they want to say which is sometimes quite disgusting. But when a male fan express his desire saying "He wants to marry her( any female idol)" then most of the female fans come at him start saying it spreads saesang propaganda when most of the saesangs are female . So double standards are everywhere.
I'm so glad that you talked about this topic, Cause it's really unfair not just to Idols but also to all females Out there that they have to deal with this a lot. When A girl Is over weight they get criticized, skinny criticized, Sexy criticized, pretty,ugly and almost all things girls do they get judge and criticized. I have too, myself have experienced all of this, and it is truly unfair and now Especially to female idols that they don't even get to do what a normal human being would. Instead of living their Dreams, they are now living a life of hell. THOSE TOXIC FANS DONT DESERVE TO LIVE IF THEY ONLY JUDGE, CRITICIZED AND SPREAD TOXICITY TO THEIR IDOLS!!!
You are true 🥺🥺🥺 we need to protect our idols 🥺🤗
This video is best explanation why I can't find it in myself go support boy groups/idols. As a woman I f*cking hate it when somebody tells me "you should do this or that because you're a woman" or "a woman shouldn't act like that!", hence why I wholeheartedly support only female idols. They are HUMAN BEINGS not f*cking dolls! Let them live however they want to, do whatever they want to and wear whatever they want to! And stay f*cking out of their lives! Yes, I do believe that men have it easier in life (you can criticize me for that, I honestly don't care about people's opinion and I'm too old to participate in comment wars), same goes for male idols. They are talented and all, but when they give their 100% of hard work, female idols are forced to give 10000% of even harder work. I hope one day female kpop idols will get their well deserved freedom or at least learn to not care about toxic "fans".
there's another. the controversy regarding blackpink's jennie from their latest song "lovesick girls". she was criticized for wearing a nurse outfit because it looked 'overtly sexual'; people said it was demeaning to other nurses. but on the other hand, male idols are praised for wearing (and even tearing) school uniforms in mvs; but doesn't that demean school-going students too?
So basically, the motto of girl groups is "sit still and look pretty". :(
another one is when in 2015 reportedly, Amber of f(x) was caught smoking in a club
people had divided opinions but the 'fans' who who clearly relented this idea were commenting things like " But she is in a girl group, still" or " Girl group members should not act like this"
even thought some supported her nonetheless saying things like " it is her life, she can live it however she wants"
but recently one NCT member was also caught smoking somewhere and the fans turned it into a joke like " give me a puff too"
or "atleast he won't have to smoke alone now"
i mean even though smoking is obviously bad and harmful for your health treating males and females differently is obviously something that cannot be accepted
even in india when a girl smokes people look at her weirdly and call her names and insult her but when a male does it people don't even bother
Omg I already forgot about that one...
@Nina Young yeah that's better
Obedient and doll like, well then I probably will have a "scandal" everyday
*I choose Pnation over any company*
For the first time I have a urge to slap a man and that is shingdong
The line is long.
i ll remind u to wear throne gloves.😉
Not only in Kpop but showbiz in general.
Yeah, but it happens everywhere but we’re specifically talking about Kpop
Male idols: ripped shirts through out the performance
Knetz: Whoooo!! Chocolate abs!
Female: wearing skirts
Knetz: Yuck! she's fat! she's too!skinny! she's too dark!
Their standards really sucks🙂
When a female idol is favoured by her company because she's talented. People say she have a sugar daddy
When a male idol is favoured by him company. People say he is talented
I really appreciate the time you put on writing subtitles, English is not my first language so watching and listening your videos I can learn a little bit more. THANK YOU💗💗💗💗
When ryujin said how people praised them by comparing them to male groups I felt so angry, like girls can dance very good too if they didn't have to wear short dresses and high heels because that's what some people expect from them. It's honestly so annoying.
There’s a reason why South Korea is one of the most sexiest, gender imbalanced countries among developed nations.
I love kpop female groups but I can't stand these stupid people and their behaviours anymore. This is not being a """fan""", neither a human being. This is bullying at his lowest, mixed with misogyny, body shaming, sometimes even racism. I would like to see all these amazing and talented female artists free to be themselves, enjoying their careers and happy lives.
But no. They receive hate everytime they show strenght or - *even worse* - have a personal ✨o p i n i o n✨ about something important. The haters just don't want them to be capable of deciding by themselves or being independent in any way, they pretend dollish-girly vibes and shouted mouths.
We as fans HAVE to change this horrible circle of events. It has happened before and will continue happening if we do nothing. The industry (which DOESN'T HELP THEM AT ALL) should protect and support them, but almost pretends like nothing is wrong (a clear demonstration of how they use double standards as well).
PLS, PLS, PLS, we need SOLUTIONS! 🥺
Hwasa owned that bodysuit. I personally didn’t liked the style of it as much but the way she moved screamed confidence! And that’s what it’s about. An idol feeling herself or himself! On the other hand we often see idols being put into revealing outfits in which they seemingly feel uncomfortable and get criticized for not appearing confident. It’s just so messed up. You can’t do it right either way.
Shindong...Oh my God, I cursed the hell out of him when I read this the first time..I don't know if he has a wife... but if he does.. that poor woman
He isn't married
Why would he have a wife, no one wants that fool anyway smh.