How to Decrease Noise in your Signals
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- System noise effects your measurements!
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Are you having trouble getting some of the noise out of your measurements? Did you know the fix could be as simple as using a different probe? Learn about the noise sources in your probe and oscilloscope, and how to decrease the effect they have on your signal.
In this episode of Probing Pitfalls, we’ll take a look at system noise, how this impacts your signal, and how to decrease it. The “system” is the oscilloscope and the probe being used together. Certain components in this system will create some noise. I’ll dive into why this happens, but the solution to this pitfall of excess noise is to simply select the correct probe attenuation ration. This will ensure you are introducing the least amount of noise possible and seeing and accurate signal on screen. I’ll guide you through how to select the correct attenuation ratio with some helpful tips.
After watching this episode, you’ll know which attenuation ratio to be using for your tests, and you’ll be making more accurate measurements than ever.
Stay tuned for future Probing Pitfalls episodes covering common probing mistakes and how to avoid them to ensure you are making accurate measurements.
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This was very helpful! Thank you!
An excellent explanation for a common issue. Well done.
Very professional. Lots of information clearly explained in just 7 minutes. Thanks!
Very nice presentation, thank you!
Thanks Erin!
Very well explained.
very well explained , really helpful. thanks
Well explained👏👍
You Clearly explained it.
Great explanation, gorgeous presenter. Nicely done.
Class . Thanks from Ireland .
Well explained
Brilliant. Thank you!
Thanks. This is very useful.
Erin, nice work.
Simply awesome
Very interesting indeed. Imagine all the work/components that needs to be there in both designing then calibrating the oscilloscope lone. The probe is also interesting conversation. I'm glad I saw a switchable probe for a brief moment. For right now, I will just say, "in my opinion, a fixed 1:1 or 1:10 probe is much better to use than a switchable probe". I welcome anyone to agree or disagree with this claim and give a reason why.
I really enjoy this presentation, very informative.
Very nice demo. Just want to add something for those new to scopes
1x probes are only fine for DC and very low frequencies. The BW is most times only a fraction of the BW of the scope. For DC they are 1 Mohm but even for a few MHz they start to behave as a low impedance, this becomes worse as frequency increased and finaly they reach a frequency where they almost short the signal. How high they go depends on the capacitance.
Most switchable probes are not great in performance and bad because you can switch them to 1x by accident. They are only standard on cheap scopes, I'm not 100% sure but I think you can not even buy really good ones
I have only one 1x probe and seldom use it (I have >20 probes from 1x up-to exotic probes like flux-gate or 40kV probes
You gave the content for another video to this girl.
Very well presented. You use the terms "high voltage measurement" vs. a "low voltage measurement" without specifying them. A brief, incomplete mention is given @6:15. I think it would have been helpful to define these terms in more detail, and before you started generalizing as "high" and "low". Keep up the great vids!
low voltage is 50V+ and high voltage 1000V+ for alternating current - you don't need an oscilloscope for direct current but the low and high voltages for direct current are higher though
It was accurate to use those terms, as they were relative terms. Defining them is not appropriate as it still depends on what the desired outcome is for measurement.
Noice explanation.
this is way out of my pay grade,but do you have any ideas on reducing noise using clamp-on amp probes for an oscilloscope,this is for automotive applications,
Can you tell me a one circuit that removes noise from input signal and obtains a rectangular pulse in the output ?
I made a sine wave oscillator connected to a rc phase shifter at 3 phase signal gets a lot of noise and attenuation if a compare attenuation of 1st and 3rd phase it's like 250 times
Thx great info. In practice 1:1 probes have limited value and the responce cure over frequency will be different than 10x. I have only ever purchased 10x probes and idk if this is always true but switchable probes tend to be low quality.
There's not necessarily a quality tradeoff with switchable probes. But while in 1:1 mode probes generally have a lower bandwidth than in 10:1 mode.
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Happy New Year! Excellent! Thank you. I have an entry level DSO. So I need to measure only analog audio signals up to 20 Khz. Could you suggest me a better scope with good FFT function not too expensive (with more parameters like THD, THD + Noise, etc.. not only Freq... on screen like major part of the cheaper scopes). I use software FFT to measure the THD of my sound interfaces, but the measurement I made is not exact. I tried different quality cables to looping the I/O of the sound cards, but the harmonics noise level exceeds the norm. Any suggestion about this problem ? Thank you so much!
Keysight EDUX or Siglent SDS1202X-E. I've owned the latter before. It's a nice, cheap scope (albeit not as nice as Keysight or R&S gear ;)
Most of my other test equipment is from Siglent (including a waveform generator, bench multimeter, portable scopemeter and power supply) and I am very happy with it.
@@0xbenedikt, Thank you!
I am doing project. Noise is big problem. I have implemented kalman filter and PID and still there is noise. I am using mpu 9250 DOF 9 axis. Can you help please.
"Reducing noise by sufficient grounding the probe.". Can I do this by connecting the ground probe into a metal plate put under the oscilloscope?
How about thermal noise from the 10x/100x probe attenuator resistor itself? Or is that too small to be noticed?
That generally doesn't tend to be a factor for probes, but we do recommend warming up your scope before use.
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This is a well-made video, but this part can’t be possibly correct czcams.com/video/sWPRAKayC3g/video.htmlm16s or can it? The pipeline should result in the SNR decreasing, or am I missing some important detail?
Good catch! The SNR is lower, the noise is higher.
So, higher noise is higher volt, but less signal, so the volt is high which cause higher signal feedback so you hear more, so that is called noise something you can hear, well, base on old time of noise that is annoying, so the noise which is annoying that is up and down alot and in high frequently, which cause higher volt thru to cause higher noise output, so input and output volt is higher. So, that is noise is? You put higher volt to cause signal to happen, so volt is necessary, but in middle is noise so need to be reduce?? There is paradox relationship high volt and high frequently is necessary, but high frequently is not since will cause higher vary of output. Less direction output relative to degree that is 360, 180, well, focus one half plane that is 180, so 180, 90, 45, etc, so the output within low degree with high volt.
This comment is best read aloud with a really comical thick faux-non-English accent. Thank me later.
very sad...
Please refrain from letting anyone except for Erin host these videos. Strangely, for reasons I can't explain, I manage to stay for the entire length of the video and retain almost all of its information when she presents it.
Funny how no one in the comments sees the agenda.
Haha, people tend to comment while watching instead of after, it seems
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please somebody can explain to me what is clock, gate, sync, and trigger in outputs used for ?