Jumping on The Old School Band Wagon! BDU's and LBE's!
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- čas přidán 10. 09. 2024
- Jumping on The Old School Band Wagon! BDU's and LBE's! Howdy Folk's This video is a long one and is for Cold War Vet's like me and their children that are curious about what uniforms and equipment their parents used when they served.
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Never got off the old school bandwagon. It makes the most sense in a woodland environment
Yeah, I can kick myself now for getting rid of all the kit that I did. Even though, I believe "True" Multicam (Not OCP) works better in my neck of the woods year round, I still love the woodland, especially if it's a little faded. The BDU pattern of Uniform is far more practical than the ACU style. The Army should definitely go back to that pattern (IMHO).
@@boonedockery7220well said brother it is amusing to see it make a comeback 😂❤
Back when we still had garment workers in the U.S. I had a lady modify a BDU jacket as follows. The waist pockets were moved to the upper chest. Chest pockets on sleeves. I also had a zipper installed on a field jacket liner per the Ranger Digest. Used these items trucking.
OH YES!!!!!❤❤❤❤❤!!!!
Those of us in 1990's deployable USCG Port/Maritime Security Units were issued BDU's... the camo pattern dependent on where your unit was to be deployed OUTCONUS. We were to be in the Central/South American AOO, so we had the Woodland cammies (from the Army, and USMC 8 point utility covers without the EGA). Other units had the 3 & 6 color DCU's. Someone in HQ originally issued directives that the blouses be tucked in like the 1st generation Navy blue ODU's (no bottom pockets). I've recently seen someone on eBay selling (for about $100 ea.) the Woodland blouses with the mod'd pockets as described here.
-5 points, no cat eyes. -5 point for no sew in, vs-17 panel section inside the boonie. No SDU-5 pouch sewn to a canteen case. No USAF survival knife on the shoulder. Thanks for the memories..
I Suck! Just give me the Article 15 to sign.... 😆😅😄You definitely served in a much more High Speed unit than I did. I think we had cat eyes on the back of the patrol cap, but "No Did Have" any of the other stuff, but I will make not of this and will try to get my crap square away! Thank you for this comment! I deeply appreciate it!
@@boonedockery7220 Nope. 19D E trp 5/15. Scouts out!
@@boonedockery7220 I was looking for a piece of gear last night. Did y'all ever do the body bag, casualty bag and poncho liner as a sleep system? Did it when the unit was still issuing old green mummy bags. What about 5 quarts blivets?
@@gjnezat Negative on both.
86 - 96 SCARNG Expeditionary Telecommunications I still have my ALICE gear and it’s 100% serviceable. It’s hanging in my man cave fully loaded and ready to be used.
OUTSTANDING!!!!! That is just awesome!
Thank you for your service, thank for your trip down your memory lane, thank you for sharing your passion, thank you for producing the best video.
Your Welcome and Thank You For Watching and Commenting. I makes my heart happy to see this video has been so well received. I have had a lot of fun playing with all of my "Vintage" gear, and I always like to "converse" and Share Memories with those that appreciate the ramblings of an old man. 😉😊👍
I still love that LBE setup over the stuff that replaced it. I wasn't issued any plate carriers in Iraq 2003-04 until prior to redeploying home. We had the older kevlar flak vests and no molle gear. I would take off the canteen and ammo carriers from the LBE and attach them to the kevlar flak vests during convoys. It was less cumbersome and lighter during the 120F or higher temperatures. The LBE with H harness is one of the best pieces of gear ever made. As a kid growing up in the 80s, I always thought the SADF web gear looked awesome, but I'm not paying the price for what it's going for now to try it. I remember when the 1980s SADF web gear was plentiful with places like Sportsman's Guide and other military surplus stores, however I was a poor college student when it was plentiful. It seemed like a good woods setup and I believe it was all canvas. I have a collection of those books by Ranger Rick from when I was a cadet. I believe I have them in my attic and some laminated maps I made from his tips. He also had a segment for making a great survival hiking staff project. For the record, I hated the LBV-II.
Thank You Very Much For Sharing All Of This! I agree with you100% on everything you said about the SADF rig! It was and still is a masterpiece! Playing with all the "vintage" stuff has been a lot of fun, but reading the comments for this video has been AMAZING! I am so grateful that this video found the right audience! I have so enjoyed reading and replying to these comments, it's been a real blessing to me. I agree with you, I did not care for the LVB-II either....
Seeing you dressed as I was in the 1990s brought back so many memories. I still a full set of my gear I had bought back then packed away. I'm going to break it out and show it to my daughter. It is still in its field use configuration.
AWESOME!
I went to fort Knox for cav scout then right before graduation they came to me an 1 other asked if we would be interested in being infantry scouts in a mechanized infantry unit I said yes heck I figured why not
H harness > Y harness for sure. I was issued a Y harness...of course.
I have to recreate the exact LBE I assembled when I was in. I used the cotton canvas H harness.
I like the lengthy videos. I'm a true believer that no matter what training you have and what you know there is always more to learn.
You are an original, innovating, thinking soldier from back in the day. Well done on your woodland battle shirt modifications, H harness mods! And even your previous UTP camouflage mods and multicam Nalgene water bottle camouflage. I have said it before and say it again, you should be regarded as an American treasure, with many, many more subscriptions to your channel. God bless you and yours from an old South African bush war infantry officer. You epitomize our Boer cultural saying " 'n Boer maak altyd 'n plan"! Well done, consistently great videos from you!
Thank You Very much Sir! I just do what I do, and I have been very Blessed to have the followers and subscribers I do. It is definitely QUALITY over QUANTITY! CZcams doesn't promote my videos and channel like they do many others because I don't jump through their hoops and play the game. No matter, I'll keep doing what I do how I do and enjoy my interactions with my Boonedockery Family. Thank you so much for your words and support! I truly appreciate REAL comments from those that have done and continue to do. Your wisdom, insight and knowledge is priceless. God Bless You And Yours Brother!
As a Marine Corps veteran and Infantryman, I prefered the way the Army rolled up their Utility shirt sleeves...One could get them sleeves down in a hurry if it gotten cold quickly, rained or a gas attack / drill. at 28:34 modified Utility blouse / shirt, some of us modified ours, but we had made two sets breast pockets, the two on the outside and two on the inside just below the outside top pockets, kind of like the British combat smock. Pretty much for the same reason...Excellent video, it brought back some memories. Webbing, We called 782 gear, Army called LBE,
we also had butt packs, and those canteen cup stoves you mentioned, we got two canteens, two canteen cups and a stove., I still have mine.
Oh Brother! Thank you for sharing this! The inside pocket mod id brilliant! I own a couple of the British smocks and the way they are configured, one could load it up as a load bearing system. So many of the features are far superior and practical than our stuff. Post military, I used the butt pack 2 quart canteens, and a lot of other stuff we were never issued and I was dumbfounded that we were never issued that stuff! The comments I have received from this video have been the best, most enjoyable to read, and educational than from any other. I plan on staying on the old school bandwagon and I would love for you to continue to comment on them! Thank You Brother!
@@boonedockery7220 No problem Brotherman, and " Semper Fi!" Grunts are Grunts. I also have a British combat smock, I use it during the colder months here in Florida, all I need is a wooly pully or a sweatshirt, I use it when camping and hunting, your right about it being its own load bearing system, LOL. That old ALICE pack and the ButtPack are invaluable items..
I like the A1 you are carrying, I own one to. Just cannot beat old Matty Mattel. My name for mine.
Great video brother thanks for the memories I went In I'm 1981
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@@boonedockery7220 lol oh my
I turned 60 this past April and I've been scarfing up as much old nylon web gear as I can find. I even came across some mag pouches that are from 1968 that were made for carrying four of the 20 round AR mags. Those cost $$. I have a bunch of the newer gear and find myself either going back to the LBE and it's mods and/or figuring out ways to combine old and new. Fun stuff!
This was great.
Thanks so much.
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Your Very Welcome and Thank You For Watching! I'm Glad You Enjoyed It!
In 1997, while working for the US Bureau of land management, I was issued binoculars with an engraved date of U.S. Navy 1944. I figured it will be about another 100 years before it comes onto the surplus market. Solid brass and pristine glass optics.
As much as I loved Woodland back in the day, I haven’t caught the M82 retro bug. Now a DCU retro bug is a different story.
It's just the nostalgia for me. If (or should I say when) the crap hits the fan, I won't be wearing woodland. But boy am I having fun playing with all this stuff!
Thank you for your reply…. nothing takes the place of experience…‼️
Please take care and Stay Strong 💪🏻 Brother 👍🏻🪖🇺🇸
Will Do Brother! You Too!
Learning alot today with this video, ty so much sir 👍
Your very welcome! Thank You!
Thanks you for your service and thank you for sharing info from your past.
Always great information and it works with the Alice pack which is usually an issue for a lot of setups. Maybe you can show the integration with it in a future video.
Thank You! The next video will cover ALICE Packs from the earliest to what I believe is the last. Future videos will show the integration with patrolling.
Yeah I miss BDUs and OD Green/Black Jungle Boots, old H or Y harness, buttpack, poncho and liner (Ranger bedroll, 2-qt canteens, pace beads, and four mag pouches…carried field stripped MREs in our cargo pockets, hated that little bandage pouch, we were “Lite Fighters”, R&S teams…Scouts Out! Go look up Ranger Digest now in two volumes, so many great gear tips and tricks. I still carry a modified large ALICE ruck…best ever
Brother, I believe the quote was from the novel "Moby Dick", "It Was The Best Of Times And The Worst Of Times" and I miss them all. Back then, no matter what, things seemed to make sense. It makes my heart happy that you posted this. I'm glad we shared many of the same dirt experiences. Scouts Out! Cavalry Leads The Way! God Bless You Brother!
Always been a fan of the BDU style set. I wish more pants would come in non camo colors with a button fly too (or at least a fly that goes down as far as BDUs do so people like me aren't trying to pee with a kinked hose lol).
My go to boot blouse is a combo of the two you showed, I wrap the cuff around my leg a couple inches below where my boots go and then cinch the boot (keeps the bugs out) and then drape the little bit of loose pant leg over the boot (keeps debri out of the boots, especially when prone and crawling).
Where I'm at Multicam works best year round, especially the IHWCU...but I still can't bring myself to get rid of M81 stuff for nostalgia and because it works well in woods a couple hours drive away. Even if it doesn't fit anymore I still keep it to eventually pass down. 😁
Thanks for sharing the cool kit and even more for the stories you have that go with them.
Thanks for sharing Brother. Crye Multicam (not so much OCP) works best here in SE Ohio year round than any other pattern I've tried. Pulling out the old stuff has just been fun.
Yes I was Air Force Security Police and when I went in Dec. 81 still had the OD green utilities like you. Got to my 1st duty station and was issued the old EDL camouflage and BDU’s miss matched, so off to the Army Surplus I went and got everything matched. I was issued a S&W M-15 combat master revolver and Vietnam M-15 Colt ( M-16 US GOVERNMENT ) with
the triangle hand guard, semiautomatic and the rock an roll switch . And was there for the switch to the M-9 in 86 ( US EUR ) Rhein Main Germany.
Throughout the early 70's I used a combination of m1956 and m1967 web gear...OD green fatigues steel helmet and helmet Liner...on post I wore kaki uniform...dress greens for stateside travel...though i switched to civies whenever possible...spent most my spare time hanging out at the WAC Shack running down skirt...LOL...woods
😄😆😅😄😆😅👍👍👍 The army should have never phased out the khakis! The looked great and were very practical!
short sweet clear, thank you. everything is appliacal for real world usage, cheers
I graduated my Infantry training in 2006 using an Alice Lc1 rucksack.... I love that thing
A.L.l.C.E. gear and og BDUs will always be king, in my eyes.
Yeah, the M16A1 is what I started out with...
Those USAF SPs (Security Police) probably carried the GAU-5, it was the USAF version of the XM177E. The difference was no forward assist. I've a Troy Industries replica of the GAU-5 and its awesome. Really light, pencil barrel, it's a 12" barrel w/a 4" fake "moderator", I love it.
Having started out w/ the ALICE gear in the 80s/90s, I've made my way back to a belt/suspenders kit for load bearing my gear. It's al PALS/MOLLE kit but it rides on my hips w/a 6 strap suspenders.
Great video and you took me back to the 80s.
Thank You! I was hoping this would find the right audience! The GAU-5 huh? I will look it up! It sounds like we might have similar PALS/MOLLE rigs. For patrolling the belt rig is ideal (IMHO)!
@@boonedockery7220 I remeber after being in the field I complained about the ALICE digging into me, and a friend who wore one of these green beenies suggested I wrap my belt w/the foam from the sleeping pad. I also replaced my clips w/zip ties another suggestion the same guy. He displayed his LBE, 4 mag pouches but both the tops and grenade holders were cut off. His mags had paracord woven under the base plate and and taped around the bottom.
When I deployed, everything had moved from ALICE to MOLLE and we put all of stuff on our body armor. That really hurt my back. Now I wasn't ridge running or anything but I did have to do vehicle ops. So chest rigs made sense at the time.
However, if I was out side the vehicle and had to get prone, made for a difficult proposition.
Those original Colt 20rnd mags are awesome.
Because of you and a couple other channels that do similar post like yours, I've created a LBE system that has some versatility. I'll be incorporating a DCU FLC as a "chest rig" kinda for additional mags and stuff.
Really do enjoy you content and I've learned a lot.
@@spacedredd This is the kind of comment I love reading. It's like were having a conversation. I love how you chronicled your load barring journey. I've played with every bit of load barring equipment they've made for the last 40 years and few of them are as versatile as the LBE and FLC. There are several mission specific rigs I've assembled. over the years that fit that one purpose great but they are not rigs that can fulfill multiple roles. I am very pleased and humbled that you enjoy my content. I honestly just film whatever I happen to be tinkering with at the time. As long as folks like you continue to converse with me, I'll keep publishing videos. Even though this is just a hobby, I feel BLESSED as if it's something very important. Thanks to folks like you. Thank You!
I was in the USMC from 88-92. I spent most of 89 at Ft Bliss Tx in radar mech school. I had a 28yr old SFC from the NewMexico arng as a class leader (3 Marines in a army class, fun to say the least!). Anywho.. he told me the army rolled their sleeves like that in the event of an NBC attack you could just grab and pull them down. The Marine GySgt (ole Gunny Mosely), I recall laughed and said "yeah the Marines aren't doin what the army was, we decided to roll them up so we could pleat them and make tight on our guns"!
Great video sir. Thank you and BOOMER SOONER!
Thank You! I'm glad you enjoyed it!!!!
Damn it man, ya giving me flashbacks when I enlisted in 82 lol
😆😅😄Sorry.... Not Sorry.... Playing with this stuff has definitely brought back all kinds of memories for me. Can't believe it's been 40+ years....😊👍
@@boonedockery7220 Yeah, true that! If these folks ever knew about the "Cold War" era they'll be thinking twice about what could've happened!
@@kennywise237 AMEN!
CZcams has been hiding notifications for this channel and many more i follow on survival and self sustainability 💯💯💯
Absolutely awesome video!!!
Thank You! I'm very pleased you enjoyed it! I have had a lot of fun playing with all of this "Vintage" stuff!
Something to consider with the ammo pouches' grenade loops. I've tied the wings around the back with bungee cord and have a tourniquet in place of grenades
BRILLIANT THANK YOU FOR POSTING THIS!!!!!!!! I will retain a couple of those just for the TQ! Awesome! Thanks again!
It was very interesting seeing how to roll up the shirt sleeve. Show more of these sorts of things. For people like me who have no military experience it is very interesting.
I started out with Gomer Pyle's with a EGA stencil and the M-14.
Oh Yeah! I'd love to see Your Video!!!!
I was Air Force, 1979-1983, at Offutt AFB in Nebraska. But we didn't have M-81 woodland back then. We were still wearing subdued OG-107 pickle suits. The Air Force didn't transition to woodland until after I got out.
"Air Force MPs" were better known as "LE" (Law Enforcement) or "SP" ( Security Police). The common nickname was "Skycop."
You forgot the M-17A1 gas mask and carrier.
My neighbor served in the Air Force about the same time and told me that even when the AF did transition many continued to where the 107's until they "had" to switch. We were still authorized to where them through the time I ETSed is 86 but nobody wore them. We were also still authorized to where the OD Jungle Fatigues as well. My scout platoon all went to our local surplus store and bought sets and wore them during field problems when we were the OPFOR.
I was told that there were different types of "Skycops" and the ones I saw with the stubby M16s would be more like the Air Forces "SWAT" guys. I never confirmed any of that. I just thought that little 16 was SWEET!
I have one somewhere! I'll have to find it and where it in a future video!
I still have all my gear from the old school military gear from when I served 1979 to 1981
awesome gear. the rifle is beautiful.sweet video brother,🤙
Thank You Brother! Been having a lot of fun playing with all the "Vintage" gear!
So cool
Thank you😺👍
This has been a very interesting tour through what and why regarding the well-dressed patrol guy from the day.
Thank You Brother James!
yoo a whole hour long episode, what a treat! Hey man, i just got a new piece of surplus- excellent condition od green canvas huge oldschool army duffel bag with the shoulder straps! so you can wear it like a backpack. i am loving it, i thought about you. you probably have or had one before. or at least know what one is. i just love old gear! it goes great with my lc-1. can't wait to watch this videoo
Those Duffle Bags Are Fantastic! I have several I use for multiple reasons but I have ha few rigged as Family Size Bugout Bags! Grab them throw them in the truck and the family has everything we'll need for a month!
I did the same comfort belt except i used thiner BW Mat with two layers. First layer was attached to the pistol belt then the second layer was duct taped to the first one to cover the Zip Ties. Plus M56 Nam era H harness. But now I carry "low profile" H harness attached to the main belt with Fastex buckles. But to be honest i switched to British belt cause its easier to adjust. But the pouches are still ALICe - if not brokent then dont fix. XD
You Know It! I really like a lot of British kit. Some of it is far better than our stuff.
Awesome Video!
Thank You! I am thankful it was well received!
Men that served before the "Molle Plate Carrier" era are the real deals.
It feels like after that and the war on terror era made just simple contract killers instead of Battle Ready Soldiers who were ready to face a peer enemy.
They dont make them like they use to :/
Hooah. Pt3 please.
The next one will over ALICE Packs from the earliest to what I believe is the last. Others will follow!
Outstanding job my friend…👍🏻
Great attention to detail in your explaining process…‼️
Thank you for sharing…👍🏻🪖🇺🇸
Question/ did you ever use a SAW pouch on your pistol belt to hold extra gear…???
Or a chem light holder…???
Yes and Yes but post service. I still have four of the saw pouches, I will try to incorporate them in a future video. I also have a couple of the chem light holders but I can't find them. Those things, for as simple as they were, were a fantastic and versatile piece of kit! Thank you so much for posting this!
That latest US camo pattern, 'operational combat uniform' ? seems to have gone more in this direction. ( I thought that they'd brought Woodland pattern back when i first saw it !)
Cool! I'll have to google that!
I bought a reproduction stainless steel canteen and cup and cover and the cup has a handle just like that one and the cover was like your cover but in a lighter green color, no outside pocket, and no "US" and no ALICE clips on it. I plan on testing it ASAP and it has an ALICE clip sleeve I guess where the clip goes thru on the pouch to attach it (the clip) to it.
Edit: the cup is the same but the bag has shorter snaps and a vertical loop and a c-shaped piece of metal for what I don't know.
Awesome! I know a lot of folks don't care for the tried and true canteen, but the three items you have are rock solid kit! The swing up handle is infinitely better than the butterfly handles!
Hmmmmm????
Im sure you're already aware, but Palmetto State Armory (PSA) has started making the H&R line or Harrington and Richardson retro ar's. I dont have any personal experience with that particular line but I have heard good things about it, so they could be a potential source for parts etc from that era and I also heard they are using original tool and die etc. Thanks for showing and that kit is hard to beat!
Yes, I have been drooling over the XM177E since I saw it.... They are spendy.... I feel they are worth it because how authentic the are making them, but not in the budget,,,,, YET! I'm so very thankful you appreciated the video. I knew this would only appeal to a certain audience. But I've had a lot of fun playing with this stuff again!
@boonedockery7220 it's amazing how old kit just keeps surfacing, that's how you know it's good because there is nothing to supercede it 🤣. Those H&R's are pricey but keep your eye out for sales on them, psa usually does a good job with sales from what I've seen. I also saw some civil war documentary type of video but you were in it lol, I guess they interviewed you at a bushcraft festival or something. It sounded alot different than what you can say on your channel on youtube 🤣 I 100% agreed with you, though, lol.
@@alphaomegasurvivalsupply6548 Yeah, I was told that the documentary was supposed to be about the event. I had no idea that they were making a 21st century civil war documentary. I think it was actually pretty good. I just wish they would have let me known what they were really doing. If CZcams were not the woke platform they are, I would from time to time post "different" videos. More akin to the interview you watched. I think it's important to have those conversations. Until the world changes a lot, those conversations will have to be face to face with no cell phones around...😉😁👍
Green rocket pack is for a short back burgan or long back the pouches zip up on the sides if need be I could send you some picks
GWOT Vet- The ACU uniform was the dumbest uniform solution to a problem that didn't exist!!! Give me woodland or desest camo and the "Alice" system... fuck the loud velcrow 💯🇺🇲🦅
Hi you have a 20 rd in your pewpew buy in the last video you had a 10rd
If I go back to my BDU it may be a little tight now 😂 I was a 32” waist in 87. Now I’m a [cough, choke splutter] inch waist 🤔
😄😆😅😄😆😅👍👍👍I completely understand Brother!!!!
I just bought a new made BDUs from Propper, plus a woodland combat shirt-my size.
@@ronaldrobertson2332 Ooooo, Woodland Combat Shirt....... NICE!!!!!!
The flc never really fits me, im over six foot, so its another reason why i like A.L.I.C.E. system more and im bored and no long like MOLLE gear.
Graduated Fort Knox mos 19E10
Old School?!?!?! LMAO!!!!! OG107's with exposed buttons and shoulder tabs carrying an M14........ You need a shave and a haircut "Boot"!!! 😂 AATW/RLTW/DOL
😄😆😅😄😆😅👍👍👍 The last version of the OG107's and the cotton duty fatigues were still authorized for wear when I was in but no one wore them. Me and several in my scout platoon bought sets at a local surplus store (Gold Nugget Surplus, Radcliff KY) and wore them as OPFOR Uniforms. I was able to find a new old stock blouse and I'm looking for a pair of trousers. You'll see them in a future video.
Can you say "Flash Backs"!!! LOL. I guess I'm not quite as vintage as you, but I can relate as I went through 19D training at Fort Knox in 91.