This video is in response to two common questions we get here at the shop via emails. Hope this video helps you out. Please Share,Subscribe and give us a thumbs up.
Hi Paul, et al. I have a friend and we both have BX2360s. The first month he had his he was pushing brush over an a bank. Tractor failed to stop he and tractor went over the steep 75 ft bank. Damage to tractor was nominal. But to him broken bones, cuts, and contusions. The problem was just as you point out. Tractor failed to stop when he disengaged the forward peddle. Kubota Dealer and Corporate denied any fault or liability of course. Almost a year later, after several attempts to fix tractor and with help of lawyer, Kubota Settled out of court and my friend had to NOT disclose ANY of the details. Kubota KNOWS there is a problem. However, oddly enough my tractor works as it should. I have been watching for quite some time now and appreciate your advice, hints, and especially your attention to details. Wish I could find someone in my area that took as much pride in their craft.
***** Wow. Thanks Gary. It just goes to show there needs to be more awareness of the breaking issue. Thanks for posting. Let's see if they'll ate on to fix the issue.
Very informative. Safety with equipment is not the machines priority, it's the operator. I'm not a equipment owner, but have operated many, and always yelled when things were not right, sometimes it helped sometimes I got a new job..lol..Thanks Paul that was a good post for the equipment owners that have them and have same issues. !!
just changed my block heater to find unpleasant surprises . one , the block heater failed after only 3 years because it was leaking antifreeze through the center of the unit to the electrical connection. i will now remove the 12 inch extension wire in summer . two . American distributors of Kubota parts are not allowed to sell to Canadians . 80$-90$ usd original part . 40$USD knockoff . 225$CDN here. three . the piece is not threaded but press fit to install and remove.Very scary because there is precious little info about how to do this yourself . But it can be done . 3/4 inch pipe with a female to female fitting screws on nicely , then torque it off gently . didn't even bother to take the drain plug off because it is very hard to remove and even harder to put back . love your videos . very helpful Eric Roussil Chertsey Qc
Take the old block heater to an automotive part center. They might be able to match it up for you at a fraction of the cost. I’ve installed many frost plugs. Yes a little tricky but not bad to do. Just put liquid Teflon on them and hammer them in evenly and your good 👍
Paul, Interesting video. You are absolutely right, it should not do that period. My 2010 BX2230 stops on a dime the minute you let off the pedal in either direction. You've no doubt saved someone serious injury by making this public.
Sellarmusic Thanks. As I said in the video. I've been through this before with a motorcycle manufacture and at first it was deny, deny, deny. By the time it was completed I got letters from them thanking me for pushing the subject. If it saves one person from injury then it's worth it.
I don't know anything about the braking issue, but if I ever see Paul doing this 7:17 motion, I'll be heading the other way! Made my day, mister! Thx as always for ur videos, commentary, and comments back. BTW, I have an HST type transmission on my 8YO lawn tractor and it stops immediately in forward and reverse even after several years of use. I totally agree what you have shown was a factory bug that got thru the system. Yikes!
Paul I bought a new BX25D in 2014 & it stops going back wards or forward thanks for letting me know as I was thinking it was hurting my Trans stoping so abruptly when I let off the gas! Bob Malone thanks for the info you put out on the BX & other tractors by Kubota.
+Robert Malone Well some say they aren't supposed to stop fast and some say they should. I'm in the "should" camp. A lot of these tractors do stop and a lot don't which means that there are defective ones out there and unfortunatey someone will eventually be injured of killed because of it and I guess Kubota will be forced to pay up big time and fix the issue.
I know this is an older video, but sad to report this is still an issue. I went to see a new bx2380 today, and it would roll back just like that with the back pedal released. And yes, when I questioned the dealer, he was like "well, you do have the brake on the left side".
I'm considering this machine, it makes sense to me that the heavier machines would break better. Let's say your driving along and your foot slips off the gas, your going to get a jolt, the wheels will lock up on this smaller machine. The roll and mild braking make mechanical sense to me, especially in 4WD.
That's a strange issue. My brother has a HST and it stops on a dine when the pedal is released. It's not a BX-25D, but you'd think the transmission is the same. Great public service guys, thanks. Brother I love you mods on the tractor.
I'll have to see what mine does ... interesting to know the brake is for the emergency brake only. With that said sometimes I'll switch from forward to reverse or vise versa and it stops on a dime ... not sure if that a good thing or not. But I'll the do the stop test as you did and see what happens. On an other safety issue ... the seat. I actually received a letter from Kubota [and inset for the owners manual[ on the bolt that holds the seat in place. It was last winter, and last winter here was a bear ... my seat popped completely of the stand .. my little tent shed from Horror Fright [aka Harbor Fright] was warm and cozy, so the repair [double nutting the existing bolt] worked fine and no issues since. Thanks again Paul and Kathy for the video and information.
I have a JD 4400 with HST and it stops as soon as let off the pedal . I never use the brake to stop the tractor only to set the parking brake . That is a big time problem , but as with most things nowadays , the manufacturer does not want to recall and fix the problem because it will cost too much money . They will wait until somebody gets hurt before they are forced to fix it . Good call Paul , stay safe buddy , bob k
Robert Kavich Your right. It's the sign of the times but with the government dishing out major fines for not fixing safety issues Kubota should learn from Dodge, Toyota... Have a great weekend my friend.
My 2008 (new then) BX24 did the same thing, as does my 2014 BX2370 currently. My in between tractor, a (new then) 2011 B3030HSDC I had did not do the travel as the BX's did/do. I remember when I traded to the B3030 - I was actually surprised by the sudden stop when I took my foot off the go pedal. I've adapted to the previous and current BX and frankly - you're right - they should stop. I have a very good dealer here on Vancouver Island and they take concerns seriously...and this one I'll follow through on. I'll send a photo of my set up for towing trailers a little later - like you I've pimped my ride - not to the same degree, but certainly it'll enhance performance and function. Thanks for the info - always appreciated.
Bryan Walker I've always found it strange these BX25D units acted like this and wondered how Kubota got away with it. It's a complete safety issue where people's personal safety is at risk. Everything I've ever used with HST transmissions stopped so I simply tried to answer these question I keep getting from other owners and hopefully keep them from getting injured. Mine has always worked like you see in the video. I'm used to it and ok with it but I wouldn't be comfortable letting someone else use it. Can't imaging how the rental shops let these tractors out of their sight if they are like it. After these videos I see there are some that stop and some that don't. Why is the real question. Was there a mid production change made that fixed the issue? Or is it a thing of just hit and miss at the production level and the dealer PDI level. Either way these things can kill like they are and it's time to find out why they are acting like this especially if it left the factory and dealer like mine did.
The father-in-law has an older BX25 that doesn't stop either and it's pretty clear that it's not designed to. I have driven plenty of hydrostatic vehicles that stopped immediately as you describe but then I've also driven several that do not. Really it comes down to whether or not the control valve allows fluid to bypass when near the neutral position. The bypass is under tension like a weak pressure relief valve and so the vehicle will ultimately stop and hold position but the bypass makes the vehicle MUCH (I repeat MUCH) more comfortable to drive in repetitive forward/reverse movements than those that auto-stop. The auto-stop feature creates a much more jerky operation and when you're stacking dirt you will appreciate the bypass. In this case I must agree with Kubota, it's not broken. You can do as you do (use opposite pedal to counter your movements) or use the brake (yes I think it's higher than it needs to be).
When I complained about the issue, they gave me instructions to tighten the spring that returns it. It helped a little but the instructions claim that a 10 foot roll out is acceptable. It is a really hard job to tighten the spring. I find the best way to avoid a problem is to pump the pedal wildly with the tractor off before I start work. It loosens up and works better.
+Ron Hanson Everyone got a differant response. So dealers sat there's nothing wrong. I'll soon be doing ours so I'll let you know how it works out. Thanks for commenting.
Paul, My 2012 BX 25 stops in both low and high range (US model). In face you have to be careful it will wrench your back when stopping a down hill backup in high range while mowing. Took me a while to adjust to the quick stop when the backhoe and FEL are detached. Also had a 2330 and it stopped although not a briskly. I would never tow with the dipper stick. My backhoe is well used and will float after a period of time so anything attached would freely sing from side to side... dangerous! If I must tow I use a tow bar in the 3 point hitch with a stabilizer attached to stop it rotating. Only time I use the brake is for parking or when someone is assisting me by hooking chains or other material handling. Then always foot on brake hand away from all other controls unless instructed by assistant. If in dough DON'T MOVE ANYTHING! I have an assistant working with me regularly so as you say I wouldn't operate a tractor that didn't stop when its should.
***** Good points Bill. Tractors are great for those with experance to operate then properly but they are getting into the hands of none experance downers now and even renters and I just wanted to spread some awearness to the BX stopping issue because someone is injured or killed IF that already haven't happened.
I have a Mahindra Max 25. It does the exact thing with the HST. The dealer told me it's normal for the pedal to return "slowly" to avoid putting you over the steering wheel if you don't have your seat-belt on. Personally I call BS. Mine is bad enough that you can hop off and go have a coffee before it stops ...especially in winter. And I have run into stuff as a result of the non-problem. Thanks for another great video
+R.M. Hobbycrafts if that is the case then it sounds like the grease or oil being cold is causing the shuttle to not move freely and it just needs bigger centering springs on it. could also be a pressure bypass i suppose (with the cold hst fluid being thicker)
Thanks for all the grrrrrreat videos Paul and Kathy: I have a 3520 John Deere with "Motion Match" and by juggling some buttons on the dash, you can adjust your braking distance. Great for short distance loader work ! Even if you don't have that system on yours, there is possibly(?) some way you can adjust it? As you know, (at least on JD), the braking system is all inside the "trans-diff" itself. Not in the wheel hubs. Surely yours will have some sort of adjustment, (I would think), as once I found out how to adjust it, . . I felt it was a necessary type adjustment depending on the type of work you're doing, . "at the time". (This is "tug" from tbn), we've talked before. You and Kathy are not only helpful and informative, but Grrrreat and funny entertainment, . . . thanks guys and keep 'em comin'. Big hugs (for Kathy)and a slap on the back to you, . from Erin, just north of Guelph in southern Ontario. Wish I'd known you were goin' right by, . . coulda run out and waved atcha ! Take care.
+Mike AKA: tug Silk Our Kubota 5740 has a dial on the dash that does much the same as yours. I can adjust how fast it starts to move or stop with it. These little sub compacts don't have those advanced features. I'll dig into this issue when time allows. It's not a real big issue for ME but for someone who's not used to the way these little tractors work it could be considered dangerous. Once I do my adjustments I'll know how to proceed farther with the complaint. Glad you've enjoyed the videos. We've enjoyed doing them but they sure eat up time for me personally. You live in a nice area but way to hot for me. I'm used to the cool brease off the North Atlantic. Thanks for watching and keep well.
+Paul Short . . . thanks for the reply Paul. Just want to say I certainly do agree with you on the "danger" of the non-braking situation you have. I know how much I absolutely depend on that back-up braking, especially on the edge of a steep bank or edge of the pond etc. You are heroically right to push that safety feature, especially to the beginning operator, (or new to that problem) who could get seriously injured or killed!! (Or kill a bystander) My best to you both!!
Thanks for the info Paul Just bought the BX25 thought it was normal to coast back when stopping although was a little scary. Was using the two foot waltz to stop the thing.
Was going to trade my 2010 bx25 on a d series an asked about this issue after seeing this on other videos an asked my Kubota dealer an they said its the way it's designed cause there were too many complaints about the abrupt stops on the original bx25. He said they talked to there rep an he said there is no fix as its the way it's designed an if used like the manual states it's safe. But I'll never trade up now.
This is the first time on your page. Very impressed with the set up you have. Th BX looks great, i'm looking to purchase a BX within a year and would love to get some of your ideas as how to attach the chainsaw, ax and light bars.
We have both a BX22 and a BX25D1 both operate in this manner. Our RTV1100 will skid the tires if you take your foot off of the hydro pedal at nearly any speed forward or reverse so Kubota can produce a HST with positive transmission braking, evidently just not on the smaller tractors!
You know I have the 1026R JD and I can say I didn't know that any HST didn't stop when getting off the pedal, forward or reverse. I was surprised when yours didn't stop or that it was a problem for Kubota. Even the previous JD's I had before stopped. It's one of the things I like about HST. If I was looking to buy and it didn't stop I think I'd just walk away. Good luck with your "fix". God Bless...I have to go to work. Levi~~
mi2tn I'm the same as you Levi, everything I've ever used stopped right away. We'll get to the bottom of this in short order. Keep well my friend. God bless you and yours.
I have a Massey Ferguson GC2400 It did the same thing when new. They recalled it and, replaced the whole peddle mechanism with a new redesigned unit. That was a couple years ago and, I have not had any more problems. I would check to see if they have any active recalls or if the have changed the part number for the peddle mechanism.
Paul, I have a 2014 BX25D. I have found that in reverse creeping backward and I lift foot, it will roll a few feet. If going backward at quicker speed and lift foot, it is an abrupt stop. forward will roll some when lift foot either fast or slow, I would say less than 10 feet.
The grease zerk - under mate - next to peddle - needs to be greased - " often " For those of you that mite have that stopping problem. { Blessings } This works for me!
Yes it needs to be greased BUT the main issue is the pull back spring under the tractor. It needs to be adjusted and more tension added to it. My other video on the topic shows the process and solved the issue. Happy tractoring.
Thats really disappointing on Kubotas part. Especially since this unit is primary designed for home owners that might not have the first clue as to how these are supposed to work in the first place. Thanks for the heads up Paul, hopefully Kubota will address the problem before some one ends up dead.
Greeting, The BX-25D I purchased new in the U.S. in early December, 2014 stops properly. In full speed reverse, it almost stops too abruptly and really jolts me. In forward it doesn't stop as abruptly, but does stop quickly. Good luck...
I have 280hrs on mine and no problems so far. it slows down and stops at a nice rate. I wouldn't want it to instantly dead stop and give me whiplash. it is a lot safer than the old John Deere I had.
I have to agree with you Paul. There is no way I would let my employees use that machine. Our John Deere 4066R has a dial on it that you can adjust the roll out distance when you let off the pedal
My bx24 stops immediately when I take my foot off the pedal, sometimes it jars my back. Ever since kubota has put on the pedal dampers i have seen this issue. They got alot of complaints that the bx22-bx24 would stop to harshly. So they put these dampers to slowdown the pedal movement. I believe this is why they do this. When you take your foot off it takes a little bit for the pedal to return to center because the damper is there. I believe that if you take the damper off it will stop immediately just like the previous models.
I have a f2400 with hst which will no longer drive. The pto still working but it fails to proceed, fwd or reverse. The dealer quoted full transmission repair $10,000. I don't think he wants the job but will be happy to take my money.Cheers Kelvin
I got my BX2370 which is the same tractor as the BX25D and mine did the same thing since day one and I use it mainly to mow with the 60"MMM and I do that dance with the brake and forward. or sometimes I toe the pedal up
in reverse mine does it, especially going down hills or slopes. i wasnt aware it was suppose to do that and thought it was hard on the HST. now going it does the same, but not as bad as going in reverse. i usally use the break anyway. i do have a 2670 not a 25d
Paul, as you know, I'm looking at getting one of the BX25D's this spring, or an B2601, (not sure yet) But, Debbie and I went to a dealer ship here about 2 to 3 weeks ago, and I asked them if I could play with them both the BX25D and the B2601 to see how they handle and how are the hydraulics do. They said sure, just don't dig with them, I said oh I'm not, just want to move the attachments around drive around some. So I did, and I found that the B2601 worked like it should, (just drove one of the B2601's because only one they had there) but I tried 2 of the BX25D's, and both of them done pretty close to the same thing that yours had done, about the not stopping thing. I just tried 2 is all. Tried a BX25 with out the backhoe, it stopped like it should. It wasn't setup for the backhoe attachment. So, I thought that we would share this with you. Thanks for the video's our friends, really appreciate your updates and things on tools and equipment, such a big help... Thanks Paul & Kathy....
Nice find Paul! I am sure your tractor will be fixed.The higher-end models have a selection to adjust how fast it will stop, & I am sure you know about that.That on the 25-D is really a bad problem, I hope that they (Kubota) are forced into a recall for their poor engineering!Your Far Away friend,KurtP.S.I will try to send you a link to my Yellowstone pictures, once I figure out "Flickr" it won't allow me to make albums....
iflyhelis Oh the tractor has been like that since I've owned it. I have no issues with it and many more are the same. I just wanted to get the word out about it. I'd hate to see a person injured on one because no one told them. I think it's defect in way of design. Hard to believe a company would design a machine that won't stop right away. I'm sure they are watching this. When I go to do the adjustments if it don't work Transport Canada will be my next stop ;) I emailed you last week but it kept bouncing back??? Keep well my friend.
I saw your msg. about the bounced back, after I tried to send you some pics. I sent too many at one time. I am only allowed 4-6 megs. for pictures at a time, I screwed up! Don't worry Kubota will see what you posted, & I am sure they will fix your problem! Kurt
You can make that 26 tractors with that problem because mine does that too even if you try to use the brake it is way to high to lift your foot in time if you have to stop quickly!
I have a Kubota B2320 tractor not a problem hydrostatic transmission stops as soon as my foot comes off the pedal so must be BX range problems you should get in contact with Kubota ASP
My bx24 has always done the slow return to neutral thing, but I have just learned to operate it with my right foot forward and my left foot always says on the rear pedal for positive control
After watching this I had to go out and try it on my tractor. I wonder what the difference is between the BX25 and the BX25D. I have the plain BX25, not D. As soon as I let off the pedal (in either range) the tractor stops in just a few feet. In fact, in reverse if I let off the go pedal it stops so abruptly it almost lifts the front wheels off the ground. Edit: there is a comment below that this "abrupt" stop was designed out of the BX25D... as you and I have talked... people just have no imagination. They just can't imagine what might go wrong. WHY would anyone complain about their tractor stopping well??
My BX2350 stops hard going forward or back. It's 9 years old so it doesn't jar as much now when it stops but it still stops. I am getting a 2380 or 2680 this month. I may test this first.
My BX25D does not have this problem. For you Kubota haters, my 12 year old JD riding mower never gave me a problem, so the first tractor I looked at was the John Deere, very nice indeed. On the advice of a friend I decided to look at the Kubota and I was very impressed, Kubota seems a bit more heavy duty then the JD and was a bit more user friendly. Still a JD fan, but in this case I had to go with Kubota and if you put the two side by side you would make the same choice.
I've been looking at the sub-compact tractors from Kubota, Kioti, John Deere, Mahindra and Yanmar. None of them are junk, they are just different in some aspects. You do get what you pay for to a certain extent. The John Deere was $6000 more than the Kubota BX23S! Tiny lift capacity increase and brand heritage aside, it's not worth that much more. Fact is, most people around here get these for small landscaping jobs and maybe snow clearing and price matters. Kubota is the predominant brand around here and dispite that annoying heal/toe peddle, it's likely the best bang for the buck. I haven't seen the Yanmar sub-compact yet, the dealer doesn't have any.
No one makes a bad tractor in today's market place. With tongues wagging on the web in today's world a bad tractor wouldn't last long. Personally I haven't seen a tractor I haven't liked. As far as the Kubota heel/toe set up though I like it. If I didn't I would have changed it. Hope you find the right one that fits your needs.
Thanks for the video. That behaviour is not normal on a Kubota HST. My 1985 B7100 HST stops on a dime if I lift off the forward or reverse pedals. You talk about liability, what happens when someone gets crushed under a rolling Kubota?? If I was Kubota I would issue an immediate recall and get this fixed.
I had the same problem, took it to my local dealer and they replaced the foot assembly. service manager called district and said they all have some creep. .. replacing did help but it's still there. Dealer showed me a kubota mule and it rolled as well.
on the kubota r t v 900 they have what they call anti cost vales it my be the bx 25 d also has them and the costing you are seeing is a failure of that valve they have one for each the fwd and rev
I have the new BX23S and the same problem you are having Eastern Turf picked it up today will see if it’s any better when I get it back, had a kubota before and no problem stopping.
Paul, I have a BX24 with the same issue of rolling after you take your foot off the pedal. It stops quick in reverse but continues in forward for a long way.Takes a bit of getting used, but definitely not how it should work, I did see a slight improvement when I greased the pedal fitting under the floor mat, but still not right. Maybe a heavier pedal spring would return the pedal faster, not sure. I have a hydro JD riding mower that stops on a dime when pedal is released. Something wrong in the engineering with Kubota design.
Bought my bx 24 new in 2007, always did that ( not stopping). Sometimes when going backwards and I take my foot off I'll get a whip lash from it stopping so fast.
Frank Zahora I have a bx24 also that I bought around the same time and I get the same thing that I get Whiplash from it I wish it didn't stop as quickly going backwards I don't know what this guy's complaint is a little bit of Common Sense and keeping aware of your surroundings you can't get any safer than that
Thank you so much for the video! We're seriously considering buying this machine. I have a couple of questions for you: 1) Did you test your tractor at the dealership? If yes, didn't this problem arise then? 2) Do you know the current status of this problem--has Kubota fixed it yet since your video is from August 2015?? I just called the dealership, and she said Kubota has them do extensive testing on each machine before it leaves their store--I'm assuming it's no different in Canada, right--or are they pulling my leg??? LASTLY, WOULD YOU STILL RECOMMEND BUYING THIS KUBOTA VERSUS ANY OTHER TRACTOR OPTION IF YOU HAD TO AGAIN? I really appreciate your video; thanks very much!!
This exact thing was happening on my Massey Ferguson GC2600. Its turns out the foot pedal linkage was corroded and sticking under the tractor. I disassembled the linkage and greased it up good. The problem disappeared. Its a very annoying issue to deal with a drifting tractor especially if your doing detailed work with the bucket.
Ps You added another control and I hope it has some type of pressure relief control in that add-on? At least I hope the control / spool control has a built in pressure relief... Because, once the pressure is on the other side of the control, it should have a max psi before it releases back into return flow to the tank via some filteration device (filter the hydraulics)... PSS. I am taking the time to write you because, I care.
Hi Paul from Halifax, NS. Just got a new BX25D. I haven't tried that in high range but in low range mine stops fast, but it will creep forward or back depending on what way I was going when I lifted my foot.
Congrats on the new BX. I suspect that because it's new you won't have any issues but by the time you hit 50 hours you'll see it. I did the adjustment and it works much better. I'm happy with it now. Hope you enjoy yours.
I Have a 2012 BX2360 and it stops very abruptly when taking your foot off the pedals. At first I thought that it wasn't supposed to do that, because it really stops very hard. I've got to the point where I don't use the brake pedal at all. Also the brake pedal on the 2360 is right next to the HST pedals so I always thought they wanted you to use the brakes. Just my 2 cents but at least now I know mine is operating normally!
That happened to me in reverse and the BX25 didn’t stop. I hit the garage and caused damage because it didn’t slow down or stop only after the switched into forward to stop more damage. I was very upset.
My Kioti CK hst with the throttle lever low. The throttle increases with the forward and reverse peddle. It stops when I take my foot off the peddle. If I bump up the throttle lever, it by passes the brake. It then rolls
My dads Kubota does the same thing. its and older larger unit. 23 hp. I personally don't like the heel toe shifter. I went to the ck 3510 hst kioti for the dual padels.
I've got an essentially identical 2014 model BX2370, which is the same model except for the backhoe. My machine does brake to a screeching halt if I suddenly release either pedal. Unintentional rolling has never been an issue, though it does require the parking brake to hold it on an incline of any degree. All seems normal, as I would expect. Where did you get your chain saw hanger? I like that!
+GunBlue490 Some stop, some font. Kubota has a high problem with the BX25D by letting them leave their dealerships and not being able to stop. It only takes one death and then crap will hit the fan. I custom built the chainsaw holder. It also has an axe holder on it too.
Paul, Greetings from a New Hampshire cousin! I've enjoyed your BX videos and helpful hints and subscribed. I've got a 5 year old BX2370 that's your machine sans backhoe. It fortunately has never had any problems stopping quite positively, either in forward or reverse. It's a wonderful workhorse that's working out with the front end snow blower these days.
That tractor is suppose to stop when you take your feet off the pedals. I have a John Deere tractor with the same type of transmission on it, and the tractor stops when the foot comes off the pedal.
Hi Paul and Kathy ... I tried the back and forward stop test to see what my BX would do. My BX did the opposite of yours. Going backwards it stopped immediately but forward it kept going! My observation was the back and forward pedal was slow to neutralize, so I greased the pivot under the mat but it was still slow to return to center. I'm going to look and see if a little WD40 will help the other moving parts and see if that gets the pedals to center quickly ... Could the issue be that simple? I'll keep you posted!
+Bill Amore Yes the pedal don't naturalize fast enough. Goes to show Kubota don't have any consistency when it comes to breaking with these machines. Purely dangerous in my opinion.
Hey Paul... checking in. Went out specifically to check mine after seeing your video. Heard complaints on TBN but without video hard to relatively compare mine with others. I drove it on asphalt flat ground like you, both in turtle and rabbit in 2WD. Going forward I stopped faster than you but not a whole lot. As expected I rolled a little further in rabbit than turtle. In reverse, my results were sporadic. Sometimes I rolled some and sometimes I had a jerk stop. Didn't matter whether in turtle or rabbit... didn't notice a difference. Wondering if I have a 'sticky' pedal mechanism? Anyways looking forward to your follow up. I will be talking to my dealer. I think the responsiveness maybe is deteriorating. I seem to remember when it was new the pedal was more responsive especially in reverse.
+dragonseggs You can try greasing the nipple under the mat by the pedal. What bothers me is these machines are never consistent with one another. Something has got to be done.
+Paul Short Have greased the nipple a few times but it is time again. I haven't looked at the mechanics of the linkage, but without any examination, my gut tells me a dampener is overpowering a spring.
my B3030 stops , no problem , never use the brakes ..... on my RTV 1100 put in a roll valve because when you let off the gas petal , it would put you right through the windshield
howdy MR paul & ms. Kathy , hope both aredoing great as i write this , i never knew that before of thatt number & kind dd that , as you know i only have little garden tractors , i have to with the pedel type and when i let go of them if there was a wind shield id go though it they stop so fast , really they stop to fast for my liking. id say you may of saved lots of lifes with them welds not being worth having speaking of that i just bought a lincoln 140 for my little bit of work i want to do ............you know like building a giant steel building 1st thing & i never welded in my life yet........i get it mon. t.c. have a great week and please be safe & enjoy life cas i can say now it can go before you know it
BIGMAN FROM MICHIGAN Great to see you posting. Hope your feeling well. Life is short as we all come to realize. Just returned from vacation and it was good to see our sons again. Hard to leave them though. They are our world really. As for the video, just wanted to shed some awearness on the issue. Hope it worked. Look after yourself. God bless
thank you, so far so good just need to get knees done next very weak & i have a fellow you tuber that wants to come here put steering column in for me but i cant let him come do all the work cas i cant help much could hand a tool some thing like that , so i gonna have to tell him ty but no ty as bad as i hate to he be driving about 600 miles just for me .. yes id bet was hard to leave , when we visit my wifes kids it brings a tear to my eye and there up in age , that vid was great sure hope it works for others i about fell out of my chair when you backed up & you kept right on going wow i said , you had to of had great time it don't seem like you can see your kids as often as you would like id bet, only thing about military , they dont get much time off here most get 2 weeks 1 time a year & that's counting getting home & back to base . t.c. have fun , but please both be safe
BIGMAN FROM MICHIGAN Your like me, independent and don't accept help much. I'd rather half kill myself than accept help from others. Been like it all my life. I don't like to intrude on others time. Our sons mean the world to us. Everything else we have is simply "stuff". We don't see them much as we would like but they have their own lives and we let them live it. We are in contact with them all the time via email, text, Skype..... They get so upset too saying goodby to us. We have a very close family and it shows. Proud of that. You'll be a new man when you get your knee done. Keep at it. Your gaining on it. Sure is nice to know your on the mend and your attitude sounds so positive now. Your a brave guy winning the war my friend. Keep it up.
***** It's an issue that's been in the BX for awhile. Some said Kubota said its normal yet some say there's don't have the issue. The majority of bx25D's font stop. Haven't heard of the issue with JD.
Is the HST pedal a 4 way 3 position control valve? Is it possible That the spool springs are not strong enough, or is the spool still too flooded with oil to work properly?
Hi Paul, et al. I have a friend and we both have BX2360s. The first month he had his he was pushing brush over an a bank. Tractor failed to stop he and tractor went over the steep 75 ft bank. Damage to tractor was nominal. But to him broken bones, cuts, and contusions.
The problem was just as you point out. Tractor failed to stop when he disengaged the forward peddle. Kubota Dealer and Corporate denied any fault or liability of course.
Almost a year later, after several attempts to fix tractor and with help of lawyer, Kubota Settled out of court and my friend had to NOT disclose ANY of the details.
Kubota KNOWS there is a problem.
However, oddly enough my tractor works as it should.
I have been watching for quite some time now and appreciate your advice, hints, and especially your attention to details. Wish I could find someone in my area that took as much pride in their craft.
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Wow. Thanks Gary. It just goes to show there needs to be more awareness of the breaking issue. Thanks for posting. Let's see if they'll ate on to fix the issue.
Very informative. Safety with equipment is not the machines priority, it's the operator. I'm not a equipment owner, but have operated many, and always yelled when things were not right, sometimes it helped sometimes I got a new job..lol..Thanks Paul that was a good post for the equipment owners that have them and have same issues. !!
thank you for the info on the tractors and especially on the towing with the booms, i learn something new everytime i watch.
Keep it up and stay safe.
just changed my block heater to find unpleasant surprises . one , the block heater failed after only 3 years because it was leaking antifreeze through the center of the unit to the electrical connection. i will now remove the 12 inch extension wire in summer . two . American distributors of Kubota parts are not allowed to sell to Canadians . 80$-90$ usd original part . 40$USD knockoff . 225$CDN here. three . the piece is not threaded but press fit to install and remove.Very scary because there is precious little info about how to do this yourself . But it can be done . 3/4 inch pipe with a female to female fitting screws on nicely , then torque it off gently . didn't even bother to take the drain plug off because it is very hard to remove and even harder to put back .
love your videos . very helpful Eric Roussil Chertsey Qc
Take the old block heater to an automotive part center. They might be able to match it up for you at a fraction of the cost. I’ve installed many frost plugs. Yes a little tricky but not bad to do. Just put liquid Teflon on them and hammer them in evenly and your good 👍
Paul,
Interesting video. You are absolutely right, it should not do that period. My 2010 BX2230 stops on a dime the minute you let off the pedal in either direction. You've no doubt saved someone serious injury by making this public.
Sellarmusic
Thanks. As I said in the video. I've been through this before with a motorcycle manufacture and at first it was deny, deny, deny. By the time it was completed I got letters from them thanking me for pushing the subject. If it saves one person from injury then it's worth it.
Excellent and truthful video, could help many people.
+mboiko
Thanks. It's all about awareness
I don't know anything about the braking issue, but if I ever see Paul doing this 7:17 motion, I'll be heading the other way! Made my day, mister! Thx as always for ur videos, commentary, and comments back.
BTW, I have an HST type transmission on my 8YO lawn tractor and it stops immediately in forward and reverse even after several years of use. I totally agree what you have shown was a factory bug that got thru the system. Yikes!
*****
Oh ya. You see me coming towards you like that you better run lol. ;)
Paul I bought a new BX25D in 2014 & it stops going back wards or forward thanks for letting me know as I was thinking it was hurting my Trans stoping so abruptly when I let off the gas! Bob Malone thanks for the info you put out on the BX & other tractors by Kubota.
+Robert Malone
Well some say they aren't supposed to stop fast and some say they should. I'm in the "should" camp. A lot of these tractors do stop and a lot don't which means that there are defective ones out there and unfortunatey someone will eventually be injured of killed because of it and I guess Kubota will be forced to pay up big time and fix the issue.
I know this is an older video, but sad to report this is still an issue. I went to see a new bx2380 today, and it would roll back just like that with the back pedal released. And yes, when I questioned the dealer, he was like "well, you do have the brake on the left side".
Good for you, Paul. I hope you gather enough attention to get your problem resolved.
+EricTheOracle
I found it ;)
Hi Paul & Kathy great safe tip about on DX25D Thank you Paul for all the safe inform on the equipment .
Vaughn Lowe
Your kindly welcome 😀
I'm considering this machine, it makes sense to me that the heavier machines would break better. Let's say your driving along and your foot slips off the gas, your going to get a jolt, the wheels will lock up on this smaller machine. The roll and mild braking make mechanical sense to me, especially in 4WD.
That's a strange issue. My brother has a HST and it stops on a dine when the pedal is released. It's not a BX-25D, but you'd think the transmission is the same. Great public service guys, thanks. Brother I love you mods on the tractor.
Excellent video on safety. I was thinking about buying one but I will pass on it,thanks again !!!
+Ken Harvey
Welcome
I'll have to see what mine does ... interesting to know the brake is for the emergency brake only. With that said sometimes I'll switch from forward to reverse or vise versa and it stops on a dime ... not sure if that a good thing or not. But I'll the do the stop test as you did and see what happens. On an other safety issue ... the seat. I actually received a letter from Kubota [and inset for the owners manual[ on the bolt that holds the seat in place. It was last winter, and last winter here was a bear ... my seat popped completely of the stand .. my little tent shed from Horror Fright [aka Harbor Fright] was warm and cozy, so the repair [double nutting the existing bolt] worked fine and no issues since. Thanks again Paul and Kathy for the video and information.
I have a JD 4400 with HST and it stops as soon as let off the pedal . I never use the brake to stop the tractor only to set the parking brake . That is a big time problem , but as with most things nowadays , the manufacturer does not want to recall and fix the problem because it will cost too much money . They will wait until somebody gets hurt before they are forced to fix it . Good call Paul , stay safe buddy , bob k
Robert Kavich
Your right. It's the sign of the times but with the government dishing out major fines for not fixing safety issues Kubota should learn from Dodge, Toyota... Have a great weekend my friend.
My 2008 (new then) BX24 did the same thing, as does my 2014 BX2370 currently.
My in between tractor, a (new then) 2011 B3030HSDC I had did not do the travel as the BX's did/do.
I remember when I traded to the B3030 - I was actually surprised by the sudden stop when I took my foot off the go pedal.
I've adapted to the previous and current BX and frankly - you're right - they should stop.
I have a very good dealer here on Vancouver Island and they take concerns seriously...and this one I'll follow through on.
I'll send a photo of my set up for towing trailers a little later - like you I've pimped my ride - not to the same degree, but certainly it'll enhance performance and function.
Thanks for the info - always appreciated.
Bryan Walker
I've always found it strange these BX25D units acted like this and wondered how Kubota got away with it. It's a complete safety issue where people's personal safety is at risk. Everything I've ever used with HST transmissions stopped so I simply tried to answer these question I keep getting from other owners and hopefully keep them from getting injured. Mine has always worked like you see in the video. I'm used to it and ok with it but I wouldn't be comfortable letting someone else use it. Can't imaging how the rental shops let these tractors out of their sight if they are like it. After these videos I see there are some that stop and some that don't. Why is the real question. Was there a mid production change made that fixed the issue? Or is it a thing of just hit and miss at the production level and the dealer PDI level. Either way these things can kill like they are and it's time to find out why they are acting like this especially if it left the factory and dealer like mine did.
theres an adjustment you can make on the return spring right in front of the fan for the trans that fixes this.
Yes. I show that adjustment in the follow up video.
The father-in-law has an older BX25 that doesn't stop either and it's pretty clear that it's not designed to. I have driven plenty of hydrostatic vehicles that stopped immediately as you describe but then I've also driven several that do not. Really it comes down to whether or not the control valve allows fluid to bypass when near the neutral position.
The bypass is under tension like a weak pressure relief valve and so the vehicle will ultimately stop and hold position but the bypass makes the vehicle MUCH (I repeat MUCH) more comfortable to drive in repetitive forward/reverse movements than those that auto-stop. The auto-stop feature creates a much more jerky operation and when you're stacking dirt you will appreciate the bypass.
In this case I must agree with Kubota, it's not broken. You can do as you do (use opposite pedal to counter your movements) or use the brake (yes I think it's higher than it needs to be).
When I complained about the issue, they gave me instructions to tighten the spring that returns it. It helped a little but the instructions claim that a 10 foot roll out is acceptable. It is a really hard job to tighten the spring. I find the best way to avoid a problem is to pump the pedal wildly with the tractor off before I start work. It loosens up and works better.
+Ron Hanson
Everyone got a differant response. So dealers sat there's nothing wrong. I'll soon be doing ours so I'll let you know how it works out. Thanks for commenting.
I know you have fixed this, from watching another video. You are the best, Sir.
Thank you. I'm happy with it now.
Paul, My 2012 BX 25 stops in both low and high range (US model). In face you have to be careful it will wrench your back when stopping a down hill backup in high range while mowing. Took me a while to adjust to the quick stop when the backhoe and FEL are detached. Also had a 2330 and it stopped although not a briskly. I would never tow with the dipper stick. My backhoe is well used and will float after a period of time so anything attached would freely sing from side to side... dangerous! If I must tow I use a tow bar in the 3 point hitch with a stabilizer attached to stop it rotating. Only time I use the brake is for parking or when someone is assisting me by hooking chains or other material handling. Then always foot on brake hand away from all other controls unless instructed by assistant. If in dough DON'T MOVE ANYTHING! I have an assistant working with me regularly so as you say I wouldn't operate a tractor that didn't stop when its should.
*****
Good points Bill. Tractors are great for those with experance to operate then properly but they are getting into the hands of none experance downers now and even renters and I just wanted to spread some awearness to the BX stopping issue because someone is injured or killed IF that already haven't happened.
I have a Mahindra Max 25. It does the exact thing with the HST. The dealer told me it's normal for the pedal to return "slowly" to avoid putting you over the steering wheel if you don't have your seat-belt on. Personally I call BS. Mine is bad enough that you can hop off and go have a coffee before it stops ...especially in winter. And I have run into stuff as a result of the non-problem. Thanks for another great video
+R.M. Hobbycrafts if that is the case then it sounds like the grease or oil being cold is causing the shuttle to not move freely and it just needs bigger centering springs on it. could also be a pressure bypass i suppose (with the cold hst fluid being thicker)
is the pedal well lubricated and all the linkages in between?
Thanks for all the grrrrrreat videos Paul and Kathy: I have a 3520 John Deere with "Motion Match" and by juggling some buttons on the dash, you can adjust your braking distance. Great for short distance loader work ! Even if you don't have that system on yours, there is possibly(?) some way you can adjust it? As you know, (at least on JD), the braking system is all inside the "trans-diff" itself. Not in the wheel hubs. Surely yours will have some sort of adjustment, (I would think), as once I found out how to adjust it, . . I felt it was a necessary type adjustment depending on the type of work you're doing, . "at the time". (This is "tug" from tbn), we've talked before. You and Kathy are not only helpful and informative, but Grrrreat and funny entertainment, . . . thanks guys and keep 'em comin'. Big hugs (for Kathy)and a slap on the back to you, . from Erin, just north of Guelph in southern Ontario. Wish I'd known you were goin' right by, . . coulda run out and waved atcha ! Take care.
+Mike AKA: tug Silk
Our Kubota 5740 has a dial on the dash that does much the same as yours. I can adjust how fast it starts to move or stop with it. These little sub compacts don't have those advanced features. I'll dig into this issue when time allows. It's not a real big issue for ME but for someone who's not used to the way these little tractors work it could be considered dangerous. Once I do my adjustments I'll know how to proceed farther with the complaint. Glad you've enjoyed the videos. We've enjoyed doing them but they sure eat up time for me personally.
You live in a nice area but way to hot for me. I'm used to the cool brease off the North Atlantic. Thanks for watching and keep well.
+Paul Short . . . thanks for the reply Paul. Just want to say I certainly do agree with you on the "danger" of the non-braking situation you have. I know how much I absolutely depend on that back-up braking, especially on the edge of a steep bank or edge of the pond etc. You are heroically right to push that safety feature, especially to the beginning operator, (or new to that problem) who could get seriously injured or killed!! (Or kill a bystander) My best to you both!!
This is a feature of Kabota for working on turf. If the tractor stops suddenly the tires will dig in to your lawn.
Thanks for the info Paul Just bought the BX25 thought it was normal to coast back when stopping although was a little scary. Was using the two foot waltz to stop the thing.
Was going to trade my 2010 bx25 on a d series an asked about this issue after seeing this on other videos an asked my Kubota dealer an they said its the way it's designed cause there were too many complaints about the abrupt stops on the original bx25. He said they talked to there rep an he said there is no fix as its the way it's designed an if used like the manual states it's safe. But I'll never trade up now.
This is the first time on your page. Very impressed with the set up you have. Th BX looks great, i'm looking to purchase a BX within a year and would love to get some of your ideas as how to attach the chainsaw, ax and light bars.
We have both a BX22 and a BX25D1 both operate in this manner. Our RTV1100 will skid the tires if you take your foot off of the hydro pedal at nearly any speed forward or reverse so Kubota can produce a HST with positive transmission braking, evidently just not on the smaller tractors!
That's crazy how the tractor does that. And that is definitely not right. I'm glad you have not had an issue with it. And it should be fixed.
Tyler Donovan
Oh I'll get to the bottom of it. I just want to bring some awearness to the issue.
ok, thanks, mine stops just fine both directions. You have good videos. I enjoy.
+J Johnson
Nice to hear. Thanks for watching. Happy Tractoring.
Hi Paul & Kathy and welcome back! Another Great informative video! Thanks for sharing, God Bless
*****
Thanks buddy :)
Great video, thanks for your help with these tractors.
Thanks and thank YOU for watching our videos.
You know I have the 1026R JD and I can say I didn't know that any HST didn't stop when getting off the pedal, forward or reverse. I was surprised when yours didn't stop or that it was a problem for Kubota. Even the previous JD's I had before stopped. It's one of the things I like about HST. If I was looking to buy and it didn't stop I think I'd just walk away. Good luck with your "fix". God Bless...I have to go to work. Levi~~
mi2tn
I'm the same as you Levi, everything I've ever used stopped right away. We'll get to the bottom of this in short order. Keep well my friend. God bless you and yours.
Hello Paul and Kathy the vid was very informative and thanks for showing us and keep the vids coming Thanks Robert
robert anderson
Thanks Robert.
I have a Massey Ferguson GC2400 It did the same thing when new. They recalled it and, replaced the whole peddle mechanism with a new redesigned unit. That was a couple years ago and, I have not had any more problems. I would check to see if they have any active recalls or if the have changed the part number for the peddle mechanism.
Paul, I have a 2014 BX25D. I have found that in reverse creeping backward and I lift foot, it will roll a few feet. If going backward at quicker speed and lift foot, it is an abrupt stop. forward will roll some when lift foot either fast or slow, I would say less than 10 feet.
GY Solutions
Yup. Yours got issue too. I'll do an adjustment video soon that may fix the issue.
My BX22 stops on a dime when you take your foot off the pedal both forward and reverse. Thank you for the advise and the lesson.
Luckily the bx2200 never had those issues. I did fix the issue after and did a follow up video of it. Thanks for watching.
The grease zerk - under mate - next to peddle - needs to be greased - " often " For those of you that mite have that stopping problem. { Blessings } This works for me!
Yes it needs to be greased BUT the main issue is the pull back spring under the tractor. It needs to be adjusted and more tension added to it. My other video on the topic shows the process and solved the issue. Happy tractoring.
Thats really disappointing on Kubotas part.
Especially since this unit is primary designed for home owners that might not have the first clue as to how these are supposed to work in the first place.
Thanks for the heads up Paul, hopefully Kubota will address the problem before some one ends up dead.
*****
Great points Jim. Same with rental shops. Wonder how many of these BX's are out there that don't stop? Be safe my friend.
Greeting, The BX-25D I purchased new in the U.S. in early December, 2014 stops properly. In full speed reverse, it almost stops too abruptly and really jolts me. In forward it doesn't stop as abruptly, but does stop quickly. Good luck...
I have 280hrs on mine and no problems so far. it slows down and stops at a nice rate. I wouldn't want it to instantly dead stop and give me whiplash. it is a lot safer than the old John Deere I had.
I have to agree with you Paul. There is no way I would let my employees use that machine. Our John Deere 4066R has a dial on it that you can adjust the roll out distance when you let off the pedal
My bx24 stops immediately when I take my foot off the pedal, sometimes it jars my back. Ever since kubota has put on the pedal dampers i have seen this issue. They got alot of complaints that the bx22-bx24 would stop to harshly. So they put these dampers to slowdown the pedal movement. I believe this is why they do this. When you take your foot off it takes a little bit for the pedal to return to center because the damper is there. I believe that if you take the damper off it will stop immediately just like the previous models.
I have a f2400 with hst which will no longer drive. The pto still working but it fails to proceed, fwd or reverse. The dealer quoted full transmission repair $10,000. I don't think he wants the job but will be happy to take my money.Cheers Kelvin
+Kelvin Wilson
Sounds like a big job with expensive parts to me. Good luck.
I got my BX2370 which is the same tractor as the BX25D and mine did the same thing since day one and I use it mainly to mow with the 60"MMM and I do that dance with the brake and forward. or sometimes I toe the pedal up
Tyler Kruckman
Yup. So many the same way. Let's see if there's a fix for it. Be careful on that machine.
Thank you for the towing lesson.
I know you are talking about kubotas, but my lil red stops on a dime. They are different tractors, but still should be the same, I would believe.
One of the weird things with the BX but I'm happy with it now.
in reverse mine does it, especially going down hills or slopes. i wasnt aware it was suppose to do that and thought it was hard on the HST. now going it does the same, but not as bad as going in reverse. i usally use the break anyway. i do have a 2670 not a 25d
Paul, as you know, I'm looking at getting one of the BX25D's this spring, or an B2601, (not sure yet) But, Debbie and I went to a dealer ship here about 2 to 3 weeks ago, and I asked them if I could play with them both the BX25D and the B2601 to see how they handle and how are the hydraulics do. They said sure, just don't dig with them, I said oh I'm not, just want to move the attachments around drive around some. So I did, and I found that the B2601 worked like it should, (just drove one of the B2601's because only one they had there) but I tried 2 of the BX25D's, and both of them done pretty close to the same thing that yours had done, about the not stopping thing. I just tried 2 is all. Tried a BX25 with out the backhoe, it stopped like it should. It wasn't setup for the backhoe attachment. So, I thought that we would share this with you. Thanks for the video's our friends, really appreciate your updates and things on tools and equipment, such a big help... Thanks Paul & Kathy....
Paul, My BX25dlb stops so fast in reverse it sometimes jars my back. Forward is not so quick to stop.
Nice find Paul! I am sure your tractor will be fixed.The higher-end models have a selection to adjust how fast it will stop, & I am sure you know about that.That on the 25-D is really a bad problem, I hope that they (Kubota) are forced into a recall for their poor engineering!Your Far Away friend,KurtP.S.I will try to send you a link to my Yellowstone pictures, once I figure out "Flickr" it won't allow me to make albums....
iflyhelis
Oh the tractor has been like that since I've owned it. I have no issues with it and many more are the same. I just wanted to get the word out about it. I'd hate to see a person injured on one because no one told them. I think it's defect in way of design. Hard to believe a company would design a machine that won't stop right away. I'm sure they are watching this. When I go to do the adjustments if it don't work Transport Canada will be my next stop ;)
I emailed you last week but it kept bouncing back???
Keep well my friend.
I saw your msg. about the bounced back, after I tried to send you some pics. I sent too many at one time. I am only allowed 4-6 megs. for pictures at a time, I screwed up!
Don't worry Kubota will see what you posted, & I am sure they will fix your problem!
Kurt
Paul,
I to have a 2014 BX25D. It stops on a dime when I come off the reverse pedal. When I have a minute I'll do a video and post.
Art
BotaArt
Well your the first that said they have no issues. I've never tried one yet that was right.
You can make that 26 tractors with that problem because mine does that too even if you try to use the brake it is way to high to lift your foot in time if you have to stop quickly!
That's what the chainsaw holster is for.
My BX25D in low range (all I use) does stop very well when I lift of the pedals. I will try it in high range next time I am out on it.
I have a Kubota B2320 tractor not a problem hydrostatic transmission stops as soon as my foot comes off the pedal so must be BX range problems you should get in contact with Kubota ASP
My bx24 has always done the slow return to neutral thing, but I have just learned to operate it with my right foot forward and my left foot always says on the rear pedal for positive control
After watching this I had to go out and try it on my tractor. I wonder what the difference is between the BX25 and the BX25D. I have the plain BX25, not D. As soon as I let off the pedal (in either range) the tractor stops in just a few feet. In fact, in reverse if I let off the go pedal it stops so abruptly it almost lifts the front wheels off the ground.
Edit: there is a comment below that this "abrupt" stop was designed out of the BX25D... as you and I have talked... people just have no imagination. They just can't imagine what might go wrong. WHY would anyone complain about their tractor stopping well??
ramosel
I read somewhere that the 25D has a boxed frame.
My BX2350 stops hard going forward or back. It's 9 years old so it doesn't jar as much now when it stops but it still stops. I am getting a 2380 or 2680 this month. I may test this first.
My Massey Ferguson GC2600 stop as soon as you let the pedal go.Point for Massey!!!!
My BX25D does not have this problem. For you Kubota haters, my 12 year old JD riding mower never gave me a problem, so the first tractor I looked at was the John Deere, very nice indeed. On the advice of a friend I decided to look at the Kubota and I was very impressed, Kubota seems a bit more heavy duty then the JD and was a bit more user friendly. Still a JD fan, but in this case I had to go with Kubota and if you put the two side by side you would make the same choice.
I've been looking at the sub-compact tractors from Kubota, Kioti, John Deere, Mahindra and Yanmar. None of them are junk, they are just different in some aspects. You do get what you pay for to a certain extent. The John Deere was $6000 more than the Kubota BX23S! Tiny lift capacity increase and brand heritage aside, it's not worth that much more. Fact is, most people around here get these for small landscaping jobs and maybe snow clearing and price matters. Kubota is the predominant brand around here and dispite that annoying heal/toe peddle, it's likely the best bang for the buck. I haven't seen the Yanmar sub-compact yet, the dealer doesn't have any.
No one makes a bad tractor in today's market place. With tongues wagging on the web in today's world a bad tractor wouldn't last long. Personally I haven't seen a tractor I haven't liked. As far as the Kubota heel/toe set up though I like it. If I didn't I would have changed it. Hope you find the right one that fits your needs.
Thanks for the video. That behaviour is not normal on a Kubota HST. My 1985 B7100 HST stops on a dime if I lift off the forward or reverse pedals. You talk about liability, what happens when someone gets crushed under a rolling Kubota?? If I was Kubota I would issue an immediate recall and get this fixed.
Great video bud , do take care
+Rejean Robichaud
Thank you very much.
I had the same problem, took it to my local dealer and they replaced the foot assembly. service manager called district and said they all have some creep. .. replacing did help but it's still there. Dealer showed me a kubota mule and it rolled as well.
My BX25 (not a D) was bought new in Halifax in 2011. It stops very quickly as soon as you take your foot off the gas.
on the kubota r t v 900 they have what they call anti cost vales it my be the bx 25 d also has them and the costing you are seeing is a failure of that valve they have one for each the fwd and rev
I have the new BX23S and the same problem you are having Eastern Turf picked it up today will see if it’s any better when I get it back, had a kubota before and no problem stopping.
Philip Johnson Iim about to buy a BX23s ... did they fix this for you?
Was your Kabota problem fixed by the dealer for stopping when you release your foot off the Excelerator? Thank you Mike.
Paul, I have a BX24 with the same issue of rolling after you take your foot off the pedal. It stops quick in reverse but continues in forward for a long way.Takes a bit of getting used, but definitely not how it should work, I did see a slight improvement when I greased the pedal fitting under the floor mat, but still not right. Maybe a heavier pedal spring would return the pedal faster, not sure. I have a hydro JD riding mower that stops on a dime when pedal is released. Something wrong in the engineering with Kubota design.
jpoluho
Yup. Typical way for the BX. Mad design. The BX is the only one I've ever seen this way too.
Bought my bx 24 new in 2007, always did that ( not stopping). Sometimes when going backwards and I take my foot off I'll get a whip lash from it stopping so fast.
Frank Zahora I have a bx24 also that I bought around the same time and I get the same thing that I get Whiplash from it I wish it didn't stop as quickly going backwards I don't know what this guy's complaint is a little bit of Common Sense and keeping aware of your surroundings you can't get any safer than that
another great video.
Hi Paul and Kathy. Love your video’s. I watched a video on a chainsaw holder and now I can’t find it. Could you please send me a link. Thanks Andrew
www.specialtyrepairscustommods.com/bx-saw-saddle
Thank you so much for the video! We're seriously considering buying this machine. I have a couple of questions for you: 1) Did you test your tractor at the dealership? If yes, didn't this problem arise then? 2) Do you know the current status of this problem--has Kubota fixed it yet since your video is from August 2015?? I just called the dealership, and she said Kubota has them do extensive testing on each machine before it leaves their store--I'm assuming it's no different in Canada, right--or are they pulling my leg??? LASTLY, WOULD YOU STILL RECOMMEND BUYING THIS KUBOTA VERSUS ANY OTHER TRACTOR OPTION IF YOU HAD TO AGAIN?
I really appreciate your video; thanks very much!!
Manual tractor transmissions FTW!
This exact thing was happening on my Massey Ferguson GC2600. Its turns out the foot pedal linkage was corroded and sticking under the tractor. I disassembled the linkage and greased it up good. The problem disappeared. Its a very annoying issue to deal with a drifting tractor especially if your doing detailed work with the bucket.
+mattsbrute
Cool. Glad you got it worked out. Kinda nice to be able to stop ;)
like the music before and after credits.
I thought I was at the movies house for a minute
Ps You added another control and I hope it has some type of pressure relief control in that add-on? At least I hope the control / spool control has a built in pressure relief... Because, once the pressure is on the other side of the control, it should have a max psi before it releases back into return flow to the tank via some filteration device (filter the hydraulics)... PSS. I am taking the time to write you because, I care.
Hi Paul from Halifax, NS. Just got a new BX25D. I haven't tried that in high range but in low range mine stops fast, but it will creep forward or back depending on what way I was going when I lifted my foot.
Congrats on the new BX. I suspect that because it's new you won't have any issues but by the time you hit 50 hours you'll see it. I did the adjustment and it works much better. I'm happy with it now. Hope you enjoy yours.
I Have a 2012 BX2360 and it stops very abruptly when taking your foot off the pedals. At first I thought that it wasn't supposed to do that, because it really stops very hard. I've got to the point where I don't use the brake pedal at all. Also the brake pedal on the 2360 is right next to the HST pedals so I always thought they wanted you to use the brakes. Just my 2 cents but at least now I know mine is operating normally!
+harborcbs
Seems it's only the BX25 "D" that's having the stopping issue.
+Paul Short Just moved 35 tons of stone and 40 tons of fill, don't know where i'd be with out this little machine!
+harborcbs
Well if your like me. You'd probably be in the hospital if you never had that machine ;)
That happened to me in reverse and the BX25 didn’t stop. I hit the garage and caused damage because it didn’t slow down or stop only after the switched into forward to stop more damage. I was very upset.
My Kioti CK hst with the throttle lever low. The throttle increases with the forward and reverse peddle. It stops when I take my foot off the peddle. If I bump up the throttle lever, it by passes the brake. It then rolls
Paul I have a 2015 BX25D and after watching and enjoying your video I checked mine and it stops on a dime.
Great to here but eventually yours won't and you'll need to make the adjustment.
My dads Kubota does the same thing. its and older larger unit. 23 hp. I personally don't like the heel toe shifter. I went to the ck 3510 hst kioti for the dual padels.
Thanks great info
My kubota B21 does the something. You get use to it, and just tap reverse to stop.
It’s fixed now.
I've got an essentially identical 2014 model BX2370, which is the same model except for the backhoe. My machine does brake to a screeching halt if I suddenly release either pedal. Unintentional rolling has never been an issue, though it does require the parking brake to hold it on an incline of any degree. All seems normal, as I would expect. Where did you get your chain saw hanger? I like that!
+GunBlue490
Some stop, some font. Kubota has a high problem with the BX25D by letting them leave their dealerships and not being able to stop. It only takes one death and then crap will hit the fan. I custom built the chainsaw holder. It also has an axe holder on it too.
Paul, Greetings from a New Hampshire cousin! I've enjoyed your BX videos and helpful hints and subscribed. I've got a 5 year old BX2370 that's your machine sans backhoe. It fortunately has never had any problems stopping quite positively, either in forward or reverse. It's a wonderful workhorse that's working out with the front end snow blower these days.
its the feathering of the piston pumps coming to center. (neutral)
That tractor is suppose to stop when you take your feet off the pedals. I have a John Deere tractor with the same type of transmission on it, and the tractor stops when the foot comes off the pedal.
It's been fixed. Thanks
Hi Paul and Kathy ... I tried the back and forward stop test to see what my BX would do. My BX did the opposite of yours. Going backwards it stopped immediately but forward it kept going! My observation was the back and forward pedal was slow to neutralize, so I greased the pivot under the mat but it was still slow to return to center. I'm going to look and see if a little WD40 will help the other moving parts and see if that gets the pedals to center quickly ... Could the issue be that simple? I'll keep you posted!
+Bill Amore
Yes the pedal don't naturalize fast enough. Goes to show Kubota don't have any consistency when it comes to breaking with these machines. Purely dangerous in my opinion.
Hey Paul... checking in. Went out specifically to check mine after seeing your video. Heard complaints on TBN but without video hard to relatively compare mine with others. I drove it on asphalt flat ground like you, both in turtle and rabbit in 2WD. Going forward I stopped faster than you but not a whole lot. As expected I rolled a little further in rabbit than turtle. In reverse, my results were sporadic. Sometimes I rolled some and sometimes I had a jerk stop. Didn't matter whether in turtle or rabbit... didn't notice a difference. Wondering if I have a 'sticky' pedal mechanism?
Anyways looking forward to your follow up. I will be talking to my dealer. I think the responsiveness maybe is deteriorating. I seem to remember when it was new the pedal was more responsive especially in reverse.
+dragonseggs
You can try greasing the nipple under the mat by the pedal. What bothers me is these machines are never consistent with one another. Something has got to be done.
+Paul Short
Have greased the nipple a few times but it is time again. I haven't looked at the mechanics of the linkage, but without any examination, my gut tells me a dampener is overpowering a spring.
in theory you should be able to increase return spring tension.
my B3030 stops , no problem , never use the brakes ..... on my RTV 1100 put in a roll valve because when you let off the gas petal , it would put you right through the windshield
howdy MR paul & ms. Kathy , hope both aredoing great as i write this , i never knew that before of thatt number & kind dd that , as you know i only have little garden tractors , i have to with the pedel type and when i let go of them if there was a wind shield id go though it they stop so fast , really they stop to fast for my liking.
id say you may of saved lots of lifes with them welds not being worth having
speaking of that i just bought a lincoln 140 for my little bit of work i want to do ............you know like building a giant steel building 1st thing & i never welded in my life yet........i get it mon.
t.c. have a great week and please be safe & enjoy life cas i can say now it can go before you know it
BIGMAN FROM MICHIGAN
Great to see you posting. Hope your feeling well. Life is short as we all come to realize. Just returned from vacation and it was good to see our sons again. Hard to leave them though. They are our world really. As for the video, just wanted to shed some awearness on the issue. Hope it worked.
Look after yourself. God bless
thank you, so far so good just need to get knees done next very weak & i have a fellow you tuber that wants to come here put steering column in for me but i cant let him come do all the work cas i cant help much could hand a tool some thing like that , so i gonna have to tell him ty but no ty as bad as i hate to he be driving about 600 miles just for me .. yes id bet was hard to leave , when we visit my wifes kids it brings a tear to my eye and there up in age , that vid was great sure hope it works for others i about fell out of my chair when you backed up & you kept right on going wow i said , you had to of had great time it don't seem like you can see your kids as often as you would like id bet, only thing about military , they dont get much time off here most get 2 weeks 1 time a year & that's counting getting home & back to base .
t.c. have fun , but please both be safe
BIGMAN FROM MICHIGAN
Your like me, independent and don't accept help much. I'd rather half kill myself than accept help from others. Been like it all my life. I don't like to intrude on others time. Our sons mean the world to us. Everything else we have is simply "stuff". We don't see them much as we would like but they have their own lives and we let them live it. We are in contact with them all the time via email, text, Skype..... They get so upset too saying goodby to us. We have a very close family and it shows. Proud of that.
You'll be a new man when you get your knee done. Keep at it. Your gaining on it. Sure is nice to know your on the mend and your attitude sounds so positive now. Your a brave guy winning the war my friend. Keep it up.
The D stands for Deere, that's the better way to go😜
+Aaron Vahey
Na. It stands for "Dummy" for buying it lol.
Hey paul i have a kubota 7500 amd it stops right when i take my foot of it a and i agree its not safe at all
Great video Paul, will have to consider this safety issue if and when I purchase my BX25. Wondering if the equivelant Deer John has same problems.
*****
It's an issue that's been in the BX for awhile. Some said Kubota said its normal yet some say there's don't have the issue. The majority of bx25D's font stop. Haven't heard of the issue with JD.
+Paul Short I have a 2015 Deere 1025R FILB . Stops on a dime.
Is the HST pedal a 4 way 3 position control valve? Is it possible That the spool springs are not strong enough, or is the spool still too flooded with oil to work properly?
Paul i really love the videos! Could you do a vid on the camera used this vid i want to see the "non Gopro" video equipment