A GENTLE TYRANNY is a mess
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I love how she put emasculation on the same level as abuse and trafficking.
That will never cease to shock me
Lol literally what I came to the comments to say. Like not only do I, being a straight dude myself, not see any men being emasculated but that ABSO-FUCKING-LUTLEY isn't on the same galaxy as trafficking and abuse
Ya that was definitely a pause and go to the comments moment for me, definitely thought she was going to say the women are becoming too masculine since thats the usual dumb argument. I need a very indebth explanation as to how the two are correlated.
Oh yikes...I saw this comment before I got to that spot in the video and I was thinking "Huh, did she do some weird thing in the fiction novel that implied emasculation was the same as s3xual abuse? That's creepy..." NO! The woman said it, out loud, in plain English, on a video recording, like that's a real comparison that actual people should make. WTF?!?
I don't think she was equating the two. It felt like she was just saying that the emasculation of men leads to these problems.
While a horrible take, it is a far more sensible thing to say. But idk people on the internet are dumb q
“Men are being emasculated while women are being sex trafficked” these things are not at all on the same level, Karen.
I swear I got physical whiplash when she said that
Actual physical emasculation would be kinda closer, but I get the idea that's not what she meant.
it literally made my jaw drop when i heard that-
What's really hilarious about this to me, as someone who's been in the kink world for a while: this is a fetish. The whole "women taking over society and turning men into obedient slaves as retribution for men's crimes" is one of the most active, widespread fetish communities I've ever interacted with, and it's almost exclusively made up of hypermasculine men. In her efforts to make fundie gender commentary, she's made a book fem-dom men would jack off to.
Everytime fundies talk about submission and how women should be submissive to me I always feel something similar to this, why can't they just admit they have a fetish and move on, they shouldn't prescribe their kink as the right way to do things.
Thank you, this has brought me great joy and comfort after hearing about this terrible book!
The way she's talking about how "the men" are treated in this book, I think is meant to be shock value but this is all how various men of color have been treated in American society. Everything they say about men in this book can be traced to racist stereotypes. Many men of color (Black and Indigenous men specifically but also others) had been sterilized and experimented on against their will.
She really didn't read any history at all before writing this book, huh.
I suppose she doesn't acknowledge it as history if it didn't happen to WASPs.
"But what if it happened to WHITE men??!? Now that would be AWFUL!!" Her inability to see her own racism is insane
@@Ketutar tf is WASPS
@@ettaetta439 acronym for
White Anglo-Saxon Protestants
(apologies for random drive-by "oh i know that one")
I’m going to save that one :) I like that it’s a way to covertly discuss things that can endanger people of color. Ie WASPs make me feel unsafe or a WASP followed me home last night and I had to use bug spray(just pepper spray)
I'm mad that she wrote this instead of a cool Dystopian that could have been something like a genderbent Handmaid's Tale...or literally anything else. A Gentle Tyranny is SUCH a beautiful and intriguing title!
The title is really the only good part of the book 🤦🏿♀️
Fr, it also sounds like a gay fanfic ngl
It sounds like a BDSM erotica title ngl
@@FIRING_BLIND mourning the loss of what could've been a BDSM erotica lmao
I’m also cackling at the thought that she understands biology so little that she thinks women don’t produce testosterone,and that you can live without it. But she’s a Fundie, so I’m not surprised she doesn’t understand biology.
Oh god. I'm skimming comments while watching and it hasn't got to that part of the video yet.
Why are these people SO uneducated? And so stubbornly so? We have Google!
Yeah, taking out testoterone from men would be pretty much torture and they would slowly die and have a bunch of healthy issues and most of then would not get to adulthood.
Hormones have many different functions in the body, not just making man angry, which seems sexist too, in my opinion, she is just all around bad.
Can I just point out when the author says “The diversity came organically” in that Q&A video? She’s implying that diversity in other books/movies/various medias are inorganic and forced. Because that’s how they *all* think. Took me a second to figure out why her wording was bothering me and then I finally put my finger on it. Diversity is only “organic” if the majority of the cast is allocishet and white and the only non-allocishet and non- white people fit into the very specific and sterotypical roles the author has decided for them.
Oh and the “in the real world we have cultural distinction” comment. Tell me you’re a white supremacist without telling me you’re a white supremacist
ALL OF THIS
Thank you for putting this so eloquently, the “organically” also rang alarm bells for me
And we can’t forget the oh so fun ‘magical/spiritual negro/person of color’ stereotype where they are the ‘wise, spiritual, holds the answers’ black or POC men and women, who has no actual inner world or life beyond helping the white main characters out of a major crisis. It’s often the older black women who owns a spiritual shop and tells the characters how to stop some demon or other from advancing into the story.
Suuuuuper common and awful stereotype in fiction
Literally Bonnie in TVD
It’s so common in horror and it sucks. Those characters are always killed off when the white characters no longer need their help too.
That witch from that weird incestuous magical fiction with vamps and all that (not TVD, it was a film), it was abt some cards, I forgot, said witch turns out to be some demon thing
@@lindenm.9149to her defense she was white with ginger hair in the books
I was assaulted multiple times as a five year old and was raped in college, and I still don’t want to “get rid of all men”. I’m so sick of people being so closed and a narrow minded, and refusing to listen to anyone else’s side, especially considering *they’re* the ones saying we are “sheep”!!!!
Hope you're doing better now, that sucks.
I've been in similar situations and even though I have issues with men like feeling like i want to rip my skin out when one touchs me without my permission, I don't want to get rid of them and they are important in my life, I just go to therapy and continue to live.
I also have many fundy family members and the whole ‘God as only masc/father’ REALLY gets on my nerves. In college I learned Ancient Greek and translated the New Testament. Most often God refers to themself using they/them pronouns (this is also seen in many translations of the Old Testament). It’s true that at times they also refer to themselves as father, but they also compare their love to that of a mother (Isaiah 49:15, 66:13), a mother hen (Matthew 23:37), a lover (Song of Solomon), a Counselor/Advocate (John 15:26), a sibling (Hebrews 2:11), and a friend (John 15:14-15) - as well as a few others. If fundys are gunna swear by the Bible as fact, than God is most likely non-binary or gender fluid.
…I was only a few minutes in with my first comment. It’s a whole lot worse than just the author needing God to be masc so patriarchal relationships can be a reflection of this masc God. Oh boy, oh no
Plus from what I remember (I've only got a smattering of knowledge, so correct me if I'm wrong) Jesus refers to God as "Aba", which does not carry the same strict and authoritarian feel "Father" does, it's more like "dad". And either way, God is already a plurality, being the "Father", Son, and Holy Ghost, so certainly they/them is an appropriate way to address a vast and incalculable entity whose virgin-born kid-self is running around spreading parables that make no sense to the vast majority of the ancient (and modern) world, while also getting everyone tipsy.
Oh my goodness, I didn't know that about the pronouns used in the original Greek! I love that so much! And I'm gonna keep the mothering examples under my bonnet too, it honestly never registered for me. "Our Father gathers us like a mother hen gathers her chicks under her wings and hE'S A CIS GOD/MAN STOP USING THE WRONG PRONOUNS FOR HER I MEAN HIM"
Frankly I just love the idea that our creator, who we've already been taught is "beyond our understanding," is not restricted to the binary. It just makes more sense to me personally
Is there any way to get hold of a clean unbiased translation?
Interesting! I find the fact that god compares their relationship to others than a father kinda beautiful honestly.
48:26 - This author "Not having functional testicles makes you passive and barely smart enough to gossip"
Varys and every ambitious, politically astute real life eunuch ever: "EXCUSE me?!?"
Right?!
Testicles have NOTHING to do with intelligence, wtf is this woman smoking
She managed to out-cringe Jay Kristoff writing a teenage girl. That says a lot.
a truly unbelievable thing to have accomplished
There's something that pings my euphemism sense about her saying 'in real life, I believe cultural distinctions are important.' Like, on the face of it, that doesn't sound bad at all, we should respect people's cultural differences, but it feeeeeels very much like she's using it as a euphemism for 'I don't want immigrants and refugees coming over here and diluting our pure Christian American culture!'
I know exactly what you mean and yes it sent alarm bells off for me too
That's exactly what it sounded like to me
yeaaaah...which is ironic considering the whole missionary thing.
My reaction to this video/book is just the Homer-backing-into-a-hedge GIF about 3000 times.
That was me reading the book
I wonder if she included a pension for women having 10+ kids as a jab at "welfare mums" who they see as reproducing for financial incentive, relying on the government instead of men, and destroying the nuclear family.
It might be more an actual incentive and quiverful movement propaganda. I was just wondering the whole time: How do they reproduce when there are no men?
Y'know as a title "A Gentle Tyrrany" is actually pretty freaking cool. And titles can't be copyrighted. Hmmm..... be a shame if someone wrote a ya dystopian queer romance with the same title.
I might save this in the event I start up an applicable WIP
Right?
100% would read
When the author said 'men and women were designed to work together not oppress each other'
I immediately thought 'so this is anti-feminism not anti-mysogyny I bet'
...and I was right, of course >>.
I want to put a terf and a fundie woman in front of each other and watch as they try to have a conversation
It will be the same person
Two Spider-Man’s pointing at each others meme
so you'd put her in front of a mirror then lol
So true about reproductive justice and WOC. Black women have the highest matenal mortality rate in my state.
Same here
As someone who teaches about diverse characters in writing, this sounds like she created the "token minority character" I warn students about. Throwing a BIPOC character into a story just for the sake of checking off the "diversity" checkbox, doesn't make the story actually diverse. One way to test if you've written a token minority character is to ask yourself if you were to change this character's race and/or ethnicity would ANYTHING in the story change? If the answer is no, and the story would be exactly the same, then you've created a token minority character. Our ethnicity and our racial experiences influence how we view the world and interact with others. A white person and a black person may agree on a lot of things, but they're not going to view the world through the exact same lens because of their experiences, a lot of which are shaped by their race and how society treats people of their race. No character in a story should be interchangeable, if they are then you haven't done enough development for that character.
Genuinly curious. How does this translate into a fantasy world, sci fi world, etc. in which modern politics and histories don't exist?
@@Vivi_Pallas Depends on the world you're trying to create. You're the author so you make the rules. What are the politics of your world? What's the history? Is there a group that's in power and others that are oppressed? How does that impact each of your characters? How would your character view the world you've created? What experiences do they have that has shaped their views.
Look at the Harry Potter series, look at what Malfoy is taught to believe by his parents about anyone who isn't a "pureblood." Look at how he treated Hermoine, and how his parents joined Voldemort's cult and wanted to push their political beliefs onto others. Versus someone like Mr. Weasley who is fascinated by and loves being around "muggles," whose son is best friends with a witch that has muggle parents.
Your characters, their experiences and interactions, and how they will react are all shaped by the type of world you're creating. The more similar that world is to ours, the more you'll have to take into consideration our world's history, society, and politics, but the more different it is, then it's up to you to create the rules.
This comment places white people as the “default”…which is also not great. If no plot point revolves around race then everyone…should be white? POC do not have to earn their place in a story by bringing issues about race into it. They exist.
@@VanessaMarieBooks Like in Star Wars, racism and xenophobias isn't about skin color, but species. So we have human Jedi with various skin colors. I don't think making Mace Windu Asian would change much other than his lightsaber color (cuz Samuel L Jackson is the one who asked for his to be purple). But if you made him a male Twiilek, it would. He'd get called "tailhead" and deal with Star Wars' version of racism and xenophobia.
Earth literally doesn't exist in Star Wars, so it's gonna be entirely different from the racism and xenophobia here on Earth. Whereas in Harry Potter, yes they have the whole thing revolving around "wizard racism", where Muggles are viewed as lesser than wizards, but it still takes place on Earth. So Harry Potter isn't diverse because it literally has maybe 2 black characters I can think of, one of whom is named Kingsley SHACKLEBOLT 🤦
The very low number of BIPOC characters, and the fact that their race has very little to do with much of what happens to those characters in particular tells you that Rowling did not create as diverse of a universe as shed like ppl to think
@@FIRING_BLIND I've never seen Star Wars, but you have a great point. When I used HP as an example, I was mainly thinking of the wizarding world & the discrimination between those with magic and those without, but you're absolutely correct. Since HP does still take place on our earth we should have seen more diverse characters and how the politics of the "muggle world" did or did not influence the wizarding world.
23:21 As someone who's from a country with multiple common tongues [South Africa] this is particularly funny to me. Our third most common language [Afrikaans] is a mix of Dutch, French and German
I love how in her dystopia she says that patriarchy started with Adam and Eve, like even in her fantasy she can’t imagine a word we’re gender roles weren’t invented at the inception of humanity.
The way the author talks about diversity, you can see she's soooo proud of herself and what she made. She's bursting with excitement about this book, her world, and what she views as hard-hitting topics that will boggle the reader and make us 'rethink everything'. Without ever stopping to consider not everyone is going to see stripping people of their culture as "diversity." I wish she could have taken this excitement and passion and turned it inward to use writing a book to contemplate her own worldviews and ask essential introspective questions or even just research the side of things she wanted to vilify.
I was raised fundie and still surrounded by a hardcore conservative fundie community in the south. It’s so hard because I can’t speak about things without being attacked by my own family so at this point I’ve given up. Everything problematic book is EXACTLY how I was raised. It’s so gross
Glad you're at least mentally freed of this mindset. I hope you can find peace and maybe find somewhere you don't have to be subjected to all that (if you want that).
"If there is a devil it's James dobson" this video gives me so much life!
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As a Christian, these people scare the shit out of me. The cult vibes are INTENSE
I'm so late and I don't know if anyone else has mentioned this but I think she got 'gentled' from Wheel of Time. In WoT the male half of the magic source (it's a yin/yang thing) has been tainted by the devil so when men use magic it turns them mad and incredibly dangerous and destructive. Gentling is something the Red Ajah (the faction of female magic users responsible for tracking down male One Power wielders) to do them to cut them off from the One Power that leaves them feeling hopelessly depressed and depleted and most of them kill themselves. I'm almost convinced that's where she got it from.
How do fundies manage to come up with some of the most incredible one liners? Me exploring my gender? Nah it’s just SATAN ATTACKING GENDER IN BROAD DAYLIGHT! Metal AF bro!
"thank you... oh wait, I meant 'f*ck you'" is such a mood omg
That sentence basically sums up the whole review LOL
Hello! Haitian here! I love your review and your CZcams channel.
I just want to say that I laughed when you said that Marsha had a creole accent, and spoke it like French.
But really !?! A black haitian maid!?!
God! I’m glad that I never stumbled on this book.
I so badly want a non Christian or non shitty Christian to write a book with the title "a gentle tyranny" because thats such a good title for a book.
Theres so many cool directions you could go! Like a country that has a woman run tyrannical government, but every time the citizens cry out for help from other governments they ignore them because "women cant be mean". Play on the stereotypes that women are "gentle"!
holy fuck i love this idea
And like, everyone has testosterone?? So it should get blocked in everyone? But like, the CONSEQUENCES of that on the body and for puberty and adrenal disease? And like, also, what if it were blocked before birth, and they just like had a collection of sperm or something. Also, would have been interesting to just have like a dystopian thing based on the lesbian separatist movement from the 1950s. That would have been interesting.
Like a lot of that movement was legit anti-men and viewed male gayness as like the absolute rejection of women and bad, and it was a very white thing for the most-part. And it like had (for some people) an underlying belief that all women were to some extent lesbians. And there was a lot of bio essentialism.
And was probably ableist but I can't recall specific examples.
I have been slow clapping this video since you said, “like what? Do you know what words mean?!” I’m a forever fan. Drag her.
LOL thank you ❤️ honestly I don’t know if I want to read her next book or not but like maybe I should because I can only imagine it’s just as much of a dumpster fire as this one
@@ReadswithRachel If you take that hit for those (LGBTQ+) of us who have been harmed by her particular brand of evangelical, racist, misogynist trash, I will watch and know you’ll drag her to meet the Devil and back again. And I love you for it. 💜🌈💯
The sheer hilarity of talking about relying on Ancient Greece and Rome for cultural touchstones and then thinking porn is a modern invention.
Lady, I have a pack of cards that's just pornographic paintings from Hellenistic era pottery, and Pompeii had at least 47 brothels when it was destroyed. Porn isn't new
THANK YOU!!!!!
As someone who recently visited Greece, I can also confirm that ancient Greeks LOVED penis depictions 😂, primarily because it was one of Dionysus's most important symbols, as fertility was one of his patronages. There was even a whole festival created around it, which the Greeks still celebrate to this day as a homage to their heritage 😂
"Nede" listen... I thought it was a nice name until you said it was a reverse of Eden then I could NOT take it seriously adfasdf
I will never know peace because of fundies doing stupid shit like taking Eden and SPELLING IT BACKWARDS AND THINKING THEY DID SOMETHING
NGL the "stipend for women that have had 10 or more kids" immediately reminded me of how N*zis gave women medals for having large amounts of children
I'm binging your videos about shitty authors today. By this point I believe my brain has the same texture as mashed potatoes, my hair is tangled and I feel at home. As a self perceived salty (alright, just honest, but it's fun to call myself 'mean') person myself, this series is the best thing I've found on youtube this year.
i only get water in the faucet until 10:00 am…. and i wake up at 7;30 to get breakfast and use the water to clean the house, BUT, i got distracted too watching the series about authors behaving VERY badly while eating and now my house is a mess and i don’t have water anymore…. there’s always tomorrow i guess 😂😂
Every time you read 'Nede' my brain autocorrected it to 'bidet' 😂 . Thank you for this review.
whew, how much problematic can a person pack into one book? 🥴
She really was ambitious with that, wasn’t she?
I love the fact that this book obviously is using some scientific terms and is referring to synthesizing a "vaccine" and is trying to explain the process of creating "gentles" as a scientific process overall, hence goes a bit under the science fiction genre but still the author is claiming that someone can live with NO testosterone in their body 😂😂😂 I haven't read this and I don't intend to waste my time on reading it, but it sounds exactly like evangelical (for lack of better wording) crap, you know creation science and stuff.. basically reads a lot like a script for a ridiculous pureflix movie. can't wait (not really) for the adaptation 🤣
THIS!!!!!
I'm sorry, but "we are who we are. We can't help it. We can be violent or gentle. The choice is ours."
That makes no sense. How can you both not control who you are but also choose who you are?
What’s really funny to me is that despite trying to be a tear down of feminism it can’t help inserting largely Christian/religious ideas. Like at the start where the woman is supposedly atheist, yet refers to Eden as their origin, which is running theme I’ve seen in Christian lit, where they don’t make arguments based on atheists simply not believing, but that they actually kind of so believe, they just hate god/religion. Or the no one can have sex thing, because obviously if they aren’t doing it for reproduction reasons they just aren’t doing it at all. And that’s really funny cause it’s just the author inserting her own beliefs purity culture in a very slightly different font and then pointing and calling it bad, cause she somehow can’t see the irony
The thing about atheists secretly believing in God but just hating him seems to be very prevalent in Christian media of this flavor. You've got "Gods Not Dead", a Christian movie that has the antagonist "atheist" philosophy teacher scream about hating God because his mother died, and it's written like a Christian W or something when the main character clapsback with "ermm....if you don't believe in God, how can you hate him? Checkmate non-believer 🤓". Then you have The Commandment (youtuber crowcaller made an excellent video on this book) that has someone essentially snap for a while because they're so ashamed that the Holy Spirit keeps worming its way into their "God Zone" and draining their SAP (not giving context for this lol).
I think it's interesting that Christians are so terrified to write an atheist that actually has a different worldview from a Christian. If they're such faithful Christians, then scanning an article about evolution or the Big Bang Theory or fkn dinosaurs shouldn't taint them or whatever 💀
OH I have been *seriously* misreading the title of this book every time I've seen this video in my recommendeds. I thought it was titled 'A gentle tr*nny' & was some godawful fetishistic romance or something (thanks for that one dyslexia very cool 👍). I'm getting the sinking feeling that this concept isn't much worse than the actual plot of this book, though 😓
That would be a cool punk band name tho
Quick question, what is up with fundies' weird obsession with "The Culture"? It seems like a term they use to describe progressive movements, as if Christianity hasn't been the cultural norm for hundreds of years in the Euro-American world. Bestie you *are* The Culture
Not only does the book sound terrible in terms of morality and decency but from the excerpts you read the writing is *bad*
It was really, really, really bad. One of the worst. And I’ve read some absolute garbage books before.
@@ReadswithRachel Yikes. Thank you for your service.
The MC being intrigued yet intimidated by the athletic masc female warriors is giving me closeted queer woman 😂
right?!
*reads the warning before the video starts* Oh, wow, this is going to be absolutely insane.
I've watched a lot of YA authors talk about why they wanted to write whichever title they are discussing and I don't recall any of them stating the reason why was because they wanted to ANSWER questions about anything really. It's usually because they wanted to explore an idea or were inspired by some event or observation. And while there may be loads of questions posed in their books I have never gotten the impression that the question had one definitive answer and usually there are characters that will state the black, white, and grays of a situation.
Now I have only seen the IG clips you've put in your videos about why Jess wrote this fucking thing so I know I shouldn't have an opinion, but screw it. I'm never gonna read this book.
Honestly you are making a WISE decision, the book was painful to get through because I kept facepalming
My phone automatically capitalizes God... Oh no. My phone is a Christian and it never even told me.
The fact that she couldn’t even make this mess make sense within its own context, shows how ignorant this nonsense and she actually are.
“Not in this video, Rachel, we don’t have time”💀😂. My face to all the mess you revealed in this video 🥴🥴🥴🥴. I have to laugh bc it’s so ridiculous but then I’m like but this isn’t funny, this is beyond harmful 😫😫😫😫
That's where I'm at too I laugh TO HIDE THE ANGER
"Wow maybe I am capable of violence" made me cackle
Just looked up the publisher, it's a Christian publishing company so that's not surprising. Probably going to have to start looking at the publishers of books before picking them up. 😔
This is directly from the publisher's website: "Through the Wander imprint, Tyndale House Publishers delivers its mission - ministering to the spiritual needs of people, primarily through literature consistent with biblical principles - to the young adult audience." 🤮
Yeah I’m familiar with tyndale and did a video on them, however readers don’t typically look at publishing houses and this publishers was likely in on the attempt to do subterfuge. Which makes it more insidious and I worry about younger readers who don’t know any better, picking this one up. I just saw it in the dystopian section of my library, when it definitely needs to be shelves under Christian fiction.
This is kind of reminding me of that stupid “pearls” book. Better you reading it than me, altho the best world is the one where it doesn’t exist.
Lol you’re not the first to draw that comparison 🤣🤣🤣
"i didn't want doors needlessly closed" also known as "i fucked around but i don't want to find out"
Hello! I listen to these in the background while playing videogames, and the moment I heard “more contagious than Covid-19 and AIDS *combined*” I instantly yelled “WHAT???”, looking away despite it being a critical moment in the fight (losing the battle 😜). WHAT THE HECK IS THIS WOMAN THINKING, writing a line like that… like yeah everything up until then was really fucking bad but… wtf.
Right?!?
What’s extra funny to me about this, and probably not surprising given fundie sex ed, is that AIDS isn’t that contagious.
11:40 ah fundies. Allah just means god in Arabic, they always use 'Allah' as if it's the name of the Muslim god. It's not. The muslim god is the same as their god, it's the abrahamic god.
Also 'crimes against allah' is so vague and purposefully islamophobic. If anyone is executed for religious reasons in, like, Saudi Arabia, they'd be way more specific about it, say 'not respecting modesty' or 'not respecting the god given roles of men and women'...
Also they wouldn't be beheaded for that but lynched most probably, does that sound familiar fundi Christians?
Or they'd just put them in prison.
The USA is still one of the countries enacting the most death sentences for prisoners, not even those 'muslim countries' do it as much, not even China, an autoritarian regime with more than 1B people, do it as much.
Speaking as someone who has read Dystopian fiction since they were in High School… this is an insult to the genre. It’s only part of the Dystopian genre on sheer technicality. If I want fundamentalist Christian Dystopia, I’ll re-read the Left Behind books, at least they’re up front about it.
Oh GOD the left behind books. Don’t even get me started.
@@ReadswithRachel Ugh yeah, not sure what I was thinking reading those back on the day.
@@DarthJudicar22is that the series about the whole “believers get zapped to heaven and the rest of the world is in shambles” because i remember picking up the first book when i was maybe in elementary, reading only the first few pages, then NEVER touching it again because it was so boring and i didnt give a shit abt the main character
I found your channel and I LOVE it. The way you absolutely roast bad books in such an intelligent way. I am not having a good time in my life rn and your channel makes it so much better, thank you!
Oh my god this made my day! Thank you!
3:38 ah yes because without patriarchy society will automatically go to matriachy. Equality ? I don't know her.
36:00 "Wow perogies, so exotic 😐"
Me from Pittsburgh and we have a literal perogie mascot 😅😅😅
15:30 or thereabouts - Radical Feminism is actually a broad term for two distinct camps. The first is what I'd call the Firestone-Dworkin-MacKinnon school, which is heavily influenced by Marx, and while many of the earliest writings from Shulamith Firestone and Andrea Dworkin _did_ focus on reproductive rights, even in Firestone's _The Dialectic of Sex,_ she suggests the radical deconstruction of biological sex, on a social level, wherein physical pregnancy could be optional. Even towards the end of the '70s, the FDM school of Radical Feminism was already getting very intersectional, though Sexism, which included homophobia and transphobia, was the focus. Dworkin was even one of the earliest feminist writers to propose that Medical Gender Confirmations be a part of any responsible National Health Care coverage, even citing early studies related to how children develop gender identity, and in 1972 was already citing Intersex conditions existing as evidence for her hypothesis that humans are "a multi-sexed species," which is certainly in line with the current consensus that biological sex is a bimodal distribution of traits. The FDM school definitely has had some weird, even outright bad takes on the sex work _industry,_ which are very easy to misinterpret as being against the workers, themselves, but those who've been influenced by Firestone, Dworkin, and even Catherine MacKinnon, herself, have evolved softer views that return to their school's roots in Marxist philosophy.
The second is what I refer to as the Budapest-Daly-Raymond school, which gave birth to TERFism/"gender critical feminism." I did a video on this, coming from a Pagan perspective, cos Zsuzsanna Budapest and Mary Daly are familiar names in the pagan community, since the late 1960s. It's a school of "feminist" thought that's loosely based on a paternalistic read of Gerald Gardner's "open court" teachings/books on Wicca, the Edwardian Era composite folklore/forgery, _The Gospel of Aradia,_ by Charles Godfrey Leyland, and thus is ultimately religious and dogmatic in nature, rather than philosophical and scientific. It's never been about anything else.
So glad to see a fellow ex-Christian who sees so much of the same bs that people like this author try to pass off as enlightening or loving. This book is so emblematic of the core problem with regressive evangelists like this author: their entire warped worldview can only exist by fundamentally ignoring, misunderstanding & deliberately warping the ideals & values of the people outside of their religion or outright just inventing straw man existences to portray as the enemy when reality doesn’t back them up. Feminists value choice, autonomy & equality but to be an evangelical, you must delude yourself into believing that we want to end the species by nearly genetically castrating men. Because their lives are so built up by this fervent mythology that they are on the frontlines of a spiritual war against the very concept of evil their enemies can’t just be people who believe that a just world is where people’s individual autonomy is respected as long as it doesn’t infringe on the existences of others. Instead we have to be child-hating monsters who want to create a society where we want to force everyone to be non-binary through literal genetic control all in the name of satan. It’s so ridiculous but it needs to be from their mindset to justify their complete ignorance & desperate crusade to make the rest of us conform to the tenets of their religion by force if necessary.
Wow sorry you had to go through all that but I’m glad you made this video!
Thank you for watching!
It’s not SELF restraint if it’s under threat of punishment!!
Every time fundies talk about Satan, I just want to buy a drink to such amazing guy.
Your reviews are so entertaining and fun! Thank you for making them.
I'm so sad because that title is fire!
I read the title like eight times because I was like “that’s weird…” but I accepted it because I know these are the kinds of books you rant about- but then when you said it I was like OHH WAIT IM JUST DYSLEXIC I kept reading the title as “a gentle (t-slur)”
as a (white) latina, Rio de Janeiro being used for "latin flair" just pissed me the f off. wtf even is latin flair, mate
Rio isn't exactly the best place for latin flair as we are so mixed, and our culture is incredibly eurocentric, part of Rio was based in Paris, Brazil as a whole isn't very good because the latin flair, fiery latin people thing is a more Hispanic stereotype.
I literally read the disclaimers you put in the first two seconds of the video and knew this book is a rocky ride, geez I can't believe one book can include so many problematic ideas
*I was listening to this while wrapping a birthday gift, choked at the Rhysand call-out (**39:20**) and immediately subscribed xD I LOVE IT HERE, THANK YOU ^.^*
I’m so glad to hear this 😭♥️ thanks for supporting
14:21 yes, 'let's just get away and not help our fellow women still stuck in those societies' such a feminist thing to do
Why couldn't I have found this three days ago before I gave 11 hrs of my life to this audiobook. I almost chucked the book after the intro but kept hoping I was wrong and it would get better...I haven't been as quick to recognize the Fundy bullshit 🤦♀️ there is a sequel... The "fast paced conclusion" and after this video I definitely can't stomach it. If someone who actually understood feminism wrote a book like that it could've been so good, also the setting would've been interesting if she wasn't just a white lady who took a trip there once.🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️
Oh Tess I’m so sorry you had to sit through this!!! What a disaster right?
So I did actually just read the sequel. It was… not fast paced at all. I’m reviewing it soon.
I totally agree, if someone who actually understood any of the nuance of these topics had written this, maybe it could’ve been something. Instead it was just proselytizing disguised as fiction.
@@ReadswithRachel Disaster is an understatement for sure. I can't wait to see the review of the sequel, you really are taking one for the team with this one! Good news is now I will know to look to your channel for recommendations (and to know what to stay away from) 😅 so thanks Jess Corbin, your shitty book brought feminists together.
I got this from my library and am strongly considering asking them to include the tag Christian Fiction with this to save everyone a lot of pain and therapy
I had to do that at my library as well, for this and another series by this same publisher! Ridiculous that this isn’t labeled christian fiction
Soo glad I found your twitter thread about her before reviewing the book tbh
Im glad to hear you found it!
I think one of the things that bugs me in this is that the author keeps on *telling* us how diverse this place is supposed to be instead of showing it in a more natural manner, which just makes her racist stereotyping even more cringy on top of her saying how “organically” this came to her.
I'm so sorry you had to go through this book. It's clear how difficult it was for you, thank you for powering through it and doing the work so more people arent armed! Stay safe!
I just did a review of this one today. I was trying to get things off my list. And I found this video. This was insane.
26:10 this proved your point, nothing indigenous here. Yeah, Greek, Roman and 'eastern' that's the only ancient cultures that existed. We found the three genders!
Also their 'feminist utopia' heavily taking from ancient Rome and ancient Greece cultures? Why? That makes no sense. These civilizations were super patriarchal.
Usually feminists go for Norse or Celtic cultures and religions like the revival of paganism and Wicca, those are usually centered on women or at least not patriarchal.
This books reeks of a white savior complex!
YUP
The way you talk about how this book's dystopia is structured and how it emasculates men and what's behind that reminds me of The Quickening by Talulah Riley. I'm starting to think there are more reasons to hate that book than I already have...
Her take on "Islam" is so funny I can't even be mad at that stupidity 😭
Rohan is also a man’s name (eg the cricketers Rohan Kanhai, Rohan Banerjee & Rohan Jayasekera) so I would have read this and guessed that the character was a POC if….no, who am I kidding, I wouldn’t have read this after watching this video! Thank you for reading it so we don’t have to 😬
Idunno bro, one being allowed to be the head of the house and the other one just gets to be a follower......
That doesnt sound like equal love to me. 😬
Does this author not know that porn has existed for centuries?
In my opinion: She does not know anything about anything.
The Turin Erotic Papyrus says hi lmao
This whole book is a tree of YIKES!
The whole tree, the whole damn forest
Rohan is a legit guy's name btw. I knew someone in high school with it. It's an Indian name.
I hear it and all I can think is Lord of the Rings
@@ReadswithRachel I mean, completely fair, so do I, but it is a legit name.
Yes but this white, Christian author who believes in “cultural distinction” *definitely* got that name from one of the only fantasy writers Christians like (because he was also outspokenly Christian).
@@taylorgayhart9497 Fair enough.
1) maybe the whole thing about "Hey girls! No hanky panky!" Is more along the lines of what my mother thinks... that all women are essentially Ace, but also that being ace is not a real thing. 🙄 it was not a pleasant conversation.
Also, I have some books that I would LOVE for you to review. However I would prefer not to name them publicly. Is there an email or a dm I can send suggestions to?
Sure! IT’s Readswithrachel@gmail.com
crazy to insinuate the Eden story is NOT misogynistic (which clearly is what this author believes), but its not because "its where patriarchy was born" its because its a story about how women created all sin and shame... like yea that is fucking weird
NOT THE LATIN FLARE PLS 😭😭😭
Whenever you finish reading any quote, I’m like “it can’t get any worse than this”, but then you just prove me wrong by reading the next one 💀
IT TRULY DIDNT STOP AND I DIDNT EVEN DISCUSS THE AUTHORS NOTE BECAUSE I RAN OUT OF STEAM
@Reads with Rachel I'm Christian and I agree with you a hundred percent! This book made me tug the collar of my shirt a bit ... Wow! 😅
100% joining you screaming at dobson. I don't believe in hell but I believe there's a special place in hell for him. My evangelical fundie parents followed dare to discipline and I'm still processing it in therapy at 46. I hope your life is no longer affected by it.
The author's understanding of feminism comes, I think, from someone retelling a Gloria Steinem speech they heard second-hand from an overheard conversation on a city bus. I heard this exact trope as a kid in 80s fundie land.
Thanks for reading this so we don't have to.
"note to authors, don't take things and spell them backwards, we will make fun of you"
this is ursula k le guin the ones who walk away from omelas erasure and i will not stand for it
this is one of these things that make me very conflicted because in brazil i'm just white but i'm latine and when i'm faced with north american/european bs against latines i'm suddenly aware of how outside my own backyard i'm not really white and i just want to yell at actual white people being white.
If the unity of male and female (sic) in marriage is in the image of God, does that make God canonically intersex? Or more like gender fluid?
I enjoyed the rant! Very much! :DDDDDD
Literally one of the only good things that comes of this, other than donating ad revenue, is that I at least got to laugh
@@ReadswithRachel Definitely! 😁😁😁
if someone wrote a book almost exactly like this but the point was "terfs and White Feminists don't actually care about helping women, just harming those that they deem wrong or other" rather than "feminism bad" it would be such a banger too, what a shame
"How can we come together and...dupe the reader?"
This!!!
17:15 'ever since 6 000 years ago! Imagine!' Lmao
It was at 23:35 that I too lost my shit and began laughing out of pure disgust and shock. LIKE WHATTTTTTTTTTTTTT! ENGLISH!
i was dyyyyiiiinnnnggggggg
I think we need an "Everybody Poops" for testosterone because true, we all got it.