Eliminating "Roping" Brush Marks When Painting
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- čas přidán 23. 09. 2021
- Eliminating Brush Strokes
To have paint lay down without brush marks means you must start off with a surface that is smooth and clean. If you are repainting trim that has brush marks already, you’ll need to sand them flat prior to starting your doomed from the start.
To prep the surface start with the mildest [highest] grit paper that will get the job done and work your way down to more aggressive [lower] grits if needed. I start with 220 grit and work down through 180, 150, 100 grits, as needed. The goal here is to sand the surface smooth and flat. I sand the entire surface which ensures the best mechanical bond for the paint to adhere to.
Thinning the Paint
Bill taught me a long time that the secret top laying down oil paint is to pour the paint into a working bucket and thin the paint 5% with paint thinner and Penetrol.
Penetrol is an oil-based additive that helps improve paint adhesion and flow in oil-based paints, primers, and varnish. When thinning the paint, thoroughly stir the paint until you reach the proper viscosity. How do you tell when it's ready?
Here’s a tip:
Pull the paint stick out of the bucket and allow the paint to drip off onto the paint in the bucket. When the paint hits the surface and disappears back [level] into the paint - leaving a level, smooth surface - you’ve reached the proper viscosity and you’re ready to apply paint.
Pro Tip:
If the paint is not coming from a new can strain the paint to eliminate debris.
Applying the Paint
Once the trim is clean, you’ve controlled air dust and thinned the paint you are ready for the secret sauce.
Apply paint to ¼ to 1/3rd of the brush and apply paint to the surface, ensuring complete paint coverage. Working the paint into the surface with back-and-forth strokes until it “feels even.”
Once this is complete, you’re ready for “tipping,” this is the one area that requires some skill and feels, for the paint being applied. The “feel” portion of this process comes from experience and getting your reps in.
Using the tip of the bristles apply a gentle “tip-stroke,” from one end of the board to the opposite end - using one continuous stroke [End-to-End] if possible. you will receive better results if you tip in the same direction.
Once you’ve done this leave that area alone and don’t go back over any paint that is tacking or drying.
Lastly, sand lightly [220 grit] between coats. Following this process will ensure that your paint project will be free of brushstrokes and look professional. - Jak na to + styl
Who else watched this after messing up their paint job? That's me! Thanks for this I'll go back to my project to apply what I have learned from you.
Me!!!😂😂😂😂😂 OMG! I have no idea what I am doing.
Me 😂🤣
Same 🤣
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As with most things, it's trial and error! Learning rocks!!! 😂😂
Great tip for painting a 3 foot board on a bench. I'd love to see anyone do a single stroke across a 16 foot board attached to a wall.
I want a brush that holds 16 feet worth of paint without dripping. I could get trim done so fast.😂😂😂
I was taught to work back into the section that was just painted. But you can also cover all 16 feet with paint and then do a finishing stroke. You might have to walk a little...
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MAGAMAN,
You told the truth right there brother!!
The magic is stopping and starting!!
To make it look like you never stopped 💪💪😲.
That's where you earned the money 💰💰
If only everyone produced DIY videos like this. Thank You!
I have say as a high-end paint contractor 25+yrs, this video not only explains how but he also show exactly how to do it. That's awesome. One differences from myself is I use paint thinner to thin it. Finished product looks the same. The hardest and most important thing to NOT do is go back and touch an area thats already setting up. Lol You will screw up the finish.
Hello is that paint thinner used to thin down water based enamel? I have dulux semi gloss, that i have done the worst job on i went over and over and over my paint and ruined the finish sanding it back sucked bigtime! Now im scared to use a brush! I brought foam roller, do you think i could use brush for some of the detail, and roller for the larger areas?
To the point and no filler or annoying music. Excellent, thanks!
This video could've been 1 minute long ... U realize .?
@@jckdnls9292 I doubt it.
Okay Gang, great video!!
I learned another trick from an old family of oil finish painters.
The problem with oil is, drying time, and odor.. In the process of waiting for it to skin over . Every bug , every piece of dust will find wet paint like it was calling to the wind to send them all. 😅😅😅😅Along with possible bumping into the bottom shelf while trying to paint the bottom of next shelf.
This process will allow paint to dry to touch in 30 min. Completely dry in 24 hrs.
Another great thing. I've actually used a 1/4 knapp smooth surface roller and applied it to entire smooth doors. It lays out and skin dries like it was sprayed on Beautifully.. No marks at all !!! Slick glossy finish!! Try it on a test piece if you doubt me. Myself I hate natural hair brushes. They hold to much paint for my taste.. They are heavy and bulky feeling and drip when working on crown molding if your not constantly watching .. I use a nice latex brush for all my trim work. One major thing I can advise also. Stop now and then and thoroughly clean your brushes during the job . They will last much longer and give you that same feeling as when you started the job. Dirty brush, dirty looking job.
This mix will also eliminate the smell a lot of times also. So here's what I was shown..
Mixing enough to do a partial area !!
I mix in Penatrol, Japan drier, small small amount.. A little bit of paint thinner.. Stir it and test your viscosity like your showing here.. its almost like water. 50/50 mix on Penatrol and thinner.. Then like I said I mix say 2 big mayo jars full each time so it doesn't start kicking off in container. One jar goes in my work can , while the other sitting on ready.. Always put lid back on your mixed jar while it's waiting to be used. Keep the air off of it or it will start to skin over. Then get to painting.. one thing also. The more that you cut the paint with thinner and drier, the less sheen your going to end up with when dry. So I go with high gloss paint to get a nice semi gloss look. Myself, I don't like high glossy surfaces unless on a picture frame or something like that. On crown and doors. A semigloss look is my preference .
It's a beautiful contrast with a satin or eggshell wall paint. Great combination..
So if you want high gloss , and don't have any time issues on dry time then just go with the Penatrol and paint only. Maybe a touch of thinner. You can test on a board the desired gloss you'd like and play with the thinner to see how much it dulls the dried finish look I guess. Also! Japan drier can change color of white paints so always test your mix. It's not much, but if you have to match something be careful and test first..
So that's my nickels worth of acquired knowledge on painting oil. But seriously, try my mixture and try a smooth surface roller. The Penatrol let's all the marks left behind just lay out like glass. Amazing results.. it takes about 10 minutes maybe less and you watch them disappear..
Ok happy strokes gang!! Good luck 😊
I'm a terrible painter. Every painter I've ever hired has used the paint directly from the can, just like I have. I never heard of thinning paint prior to application until now. Very cool of you to share this knowledge.
Don't thin it! Flotrol and Penetrol are additives, not thinners.
Paint thinner is an entirely different product.
Buy good brushes. Nothing under $10. Angle brushes are easier to work with than straight.
And it all comes down to the finish stroke...one last smooth stroke to level the paint, pay attention to the feeling of the tip of brush gliding, floating over the wet paint. Then Don't go back over it
Yes to both of those pieces of advice. Especially buying a quality brush. In the grand scheme of things, $20 for a brush to last someone (who doesn't paint professionally-a lifetime) who does paint every day-years, in which that brush will have paid for itself 10x over) as long as you clean and take care of it correctly. The benefit of having used said brush for so long is you get to "know" that brush. How much paint will it hold, how long can I put upside down before it will drip, how hard to I need to "lean" on it to hit my cut in line, etc. It does make one feel pretty good when you come in and can cut into about any area with masking off (except flooring, obviously).
If you're here learning then you're not a terrible painter
@@AB-nb2ic but what if you are dealing with an entire room and you have to always back brush to keep a wet edge? We can't just do one final stroke!
I recently purchased my 1st home for my dog Riley & me. The prior owner had her curtains screwed into the wood trim around the windows. Also, as you mentioned, the home was built in the 59's and there were multiple layers of paint. I've sanded the trim around the bedrooms windows and that went well, though I went to paint today and the brush marks were HORRIBLE!! I stopped immediately and found this video. Now I know with 100% certainty...what I need to do and my plan of attack has changed!! Thank You very much for sharing this information.. God Bless.
A very timely video for my project nearing completion. I always am unsure about checking for the proper viscosity of the paint, so the tip that you thin until the dripping paint just disappears into the surface is a perfect and easy to use viscosity check.
Perfect. Answered all of my questions for trying to lose brush stokes on second coat of skirting boards.
Thanks for taking the time to post this - very helpful tips.
Well done, gives me confidence to tackle my trim job!
Not sure if you care, but if you pour out of a can with the spigot in the opposite direction, you won't get spills like you had in the beginning of the video. I found this out from a dude who makes paints. Thanks for the great video.
This helps a lot! I accidentally bought an oil based paint and this explains so much, even for just painting in general. Appreciate you sharing your expertise 🧡
I’m terrible at painting and will be using a brush for the kitchen cabinets… great tips particularly with how to judge the viscosity. Thanks
Very clear and helpful guidance on getting a good finish. Especially the advice on 220 grit for sanding in between coats. Thanks.
Why not 400 grit sand paper?
handy tip for trying to pour a liquid out of those big square cans with the hole on one side. turn it around so youre pouring with the hole at the top not the bottom. this will allow the air to be at the top by the hole thus allowing air to go into the can as your pour.
What I came to comment. 👍🏻
Awesome tips for a professional finish,thank you
My favorite brushes for enamel work are made by Wooster. Brush model is the Mink. 1-1/2”, 2”, 2-1/2” and 3. 2”and 2-1/2” are my favorites. Great video, Rob! Oh, 320g between coats is better.
A good painter knows when to thin the paint and how much. If you thin latex, use distilled water, not water from the faucet. And make sure you use a high-quality brush.
Very well-versed in painting knowledge and information. Thank you
So helpful, brother. Thank you, God bless you all!
I never thought I will be watching this tutorial,like I never thought I will be doing my own wooden table,but man this fun and the tutorial is awesome!!!!
Thank you so much finally someone tells me how to thin paint ❤️❤️
Great video and thanks for the tips. Starting my baseboards in the morning. Here’s a tip for you. Think about why the can of penetrol has the screw top on one side and not in the middle of the can. You won’t spill anymore product when you find the answer.
You’re using it on flat surface. Can you use Floetrol on a vertical surface, like trim that’s already nailed to a wall?
I have to commend you with how you hold the brush right, dip the brush to load both sides of the bristles then tap both sides to pack the paint.
Your smooth , right tilt is perfect, with just the right amount from end to end.
I'm 48 yrs a painting contractor, started out with a master painting contractor as a teacher early in my long career. I think you just have to have a good hand able to pick this up.
The Idaho Painter , (paint life) a successful business man, but as he says , "I'm self taught" he has probably 1000 video's here on CZcams. In about 1 min watching, I can see how a person holds the brush while moving paint ,that they really never learned the right way. He dips the brush ,doesn't tap the brush, and scrapes one side of the brush to finish loading the brush.
Imagine being in business for over 10 years and being a clumsy brush man. He brushes , then goes back into the work and ads more paint, only to do a poor spreading of material
When I watch you here, it looks like your lightly spraying on the finish lightly like a spraying pass of the gun, Feather light touch so as not to push the bristles through the light film layer.
Floating the brush, not like blobbing thru it. You think most people have a hand for this, I think not
Your hand skills must come from quality woodworking ? Thanks, your one of the first I've seen master what most people think is easy.
I do all kinds of spraying, even cars if I want to, but being a good brush man is still a talent
thanks friend
I recently prepared new cabinet doors and painted with 3 coats of latex. I do have roping ( areas where the paint wasn't applied evenly) in the center of the doors. Is it possible just to sand that area and repaint or do I have to do the entire door?
@@quentincrisp6933 Absolutely - sand flat, flat, flat
@@quentincrisp6933 You may be able to wet sand the paint smooth with 400 or 500 grit paper and be done with it. I did this with my window trim that came out less than perfect and it looks great now.
i agree about the brush being better than than the vacuum in terms of getting rid of sanding dust. I use a soft but stiff bristled brush and 'smack' it against the grains of wood to move it out of corners and grains. Nothing better, including tack cloth and blowers or vacuums--which don't have enough pressure to 'kick' the dust off the the surface.
Using something like Penetrol to lower the viscosity is an excellent tip. Thanks Rob!
Though you should flip the can over the avoid spilling it when pouring into the paint.
Penetrol will help yellow your whites!;
Thank you for the awesome tutorial. I liked and subscribed to your channel.
Brilliant video thanks mate
Real good work up
Thanks 😊
Stay safe.
Thanks my man!
Great tips
Excellent freaking video!🙏🏾❤️
Thank you for this!!
love these videos… great pro tips for the diyers
Thanks,🎉straight to the point instructions, no bullshit.
Floetrol try it works well. Nice video Rob, I hired painters to do this on all my wood trim that was painted with oil paint. Smooth ss butter and used Graham's Ceramic paint.
Floetrol is for latex.. not oil.
Penetrol is for oil.
Great tips 👍👍👍
Penetrol....Ding, Ding, Ding!!!! That stuff is great.
Loved the video content and presentation. Naming brands you use is great especially if you're not being sponsored. Thank you .
Thank you sir!!
Thank you great tip
My brushes always have a bristle come out of the brush and lay down into the perfect paint finish at some stage.
Thanks! Great information.
great tips thanks Sir
Great video
Hey man, first of all thanks for taking the time to show your methods and experience. Learned a lot from this. What type brush do you recommend for applying polyurethane and what sanding tool/grit in between polyurethane coats? Thank you very much for your time
This is good stuff.
The tip on viscosity alone was worth watching.
Just a helpful tip. When pouring anything out from a quart can, try pouring it out from the opposite side of the opening that you did in the video. It won't spill down the side of the can then.
Any container with an offset spout. Linseed, motor oil, etc, keep the opening at the TOP, not bottom when pouring
@@AB-nb2ic Doesn't just about every container with a pouring spout have it offset near the edge of the container? Milk, Gas Cans, 5 gal paint pails... I've always poured with spout down. Have I been doing it wrong this whole time?
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Thanks Rob 😎🛠️😎🛠️😎
Rob, how do you keep such a neat workshop. LOL! I’ve tried, but all it takes is a small project to throw it into disarray.
Your shop truly looks as though everything has a place and there’s a place for everything.
Thanks for being succinct. What about alkyd paint? Do I treat it like oil or like latex? Penetrol or Floetrol?
Thank you for the video. Can you prepare a bulk quantity of thined paint and use it for multiple jobs over multiple days? I do lots of small paint applications daily
Thank you :)
I'm fond of ben moores advanced. It levels nicely without thining, but you have to take care otherwise you'll get drips and sags.
Finishing is the bane of my existence
thank you
You are so impressive! I'm new at painting and want to do my kitchen cabinets. I noticed that you didn't use a primer? Is that because the surface was already painted?
Which type of brush would work best painting with acrylic paint? Ty for letting ppl know the prep work is so important!
Used a “semi soft” 3/4th” brush but feel need bigger brush as at end (only one long paint stroke) or gets those ridges. Should have more paint on tip then at bottom & acrylic’s dry fast even w mediums!
I have found that soft bristle brushes leave less brush marks than stiff bristle brushes.
Thanks…painting my trim…looks great, but I know this brush lines are there, so I will try this method…thanks.
Wipe down with a damp cloth is good too
Can you add water lowering viscosity. I'm not from the USA and I don't know that what would be floetrol and penetrol replacements over here
How much is 5 percent of 1 quart of paint? And did you say paint thinner as well or one of the other?
yes, prep is most of the battle.
i use water to thin latex paint.
it’s cheap, it’s always available, you never run out, and most of all it works great.
paint with a good quality brush, and then run a roller over it. apply the paint, and run the roller over it. done. no fussing.
AND IT LOOKS LIKE YOU SPRAYED IT ON !!!smooth, uniform, beautiful and so easy.
you can run the roller over the surface even when it has started to dry if you missed a spot. just do it lightly.
store the roller in a plastic bag and close it so air doesn’t dry the paint. always clean the brush. ready for the second coat…..give the surface a very quick sanding with a foam sanding block with fine paper or hit it really quick with 220, stir the paint, and add another coat.
paint brush in one hand, roller in the other.
the roller fixes everything, you can be sloppy with the brush, and the roller comes in and fixes all the uneven strokes, lines, clumps, missed patches, uneven paint.
the roller makes it all look even, flat, and uniform, with a texture left with a spray gun. sometimes even better.
roll out the uneven areas, then apply little pressure for that professional sprayed look.
i love your videos btw. thank you and your friends for taking the time to make them.
cheers !
Based on watching several CZcams videos of water vs floetrol I wouldn't recommend it. Water mutes the paint color whereas floetrol makes the paint brighter and looks more like oil based paint.
do you use the roller when the paint is still wet or after the brush strokes have dried?
if it's when the paint is wet do you do it with a dry roller with no paint on it
I want to tell you what I learned as a teenager from my father and my grandfather. Most of your work is in the preparation which I'm telling you is 3/4 of the time that you will spend
@@susanmarshall817 : read again, the first six words of my comment.
Then read your reply.
@@ginoasci2876 I learned from two painters at the age of 16. I have not seen the average painter do what I had learned. They are careless about their prep. Not to say that you are.
Is using a soft brush better than a firm brush for eliminating brush marks?
Could I mix the thinner with sherwin Williams infinity flat paint ?
What is the "setting" top coat? Just the paint or something else?
Will the paint additive change the color of my Behr pure white paint color ?
How do you avoid rollover on the edge? I brush it out but then it rolls over on the other end
Nice video. I especially liked the tip about knowing when the paint is thinned enough. However, your example was for a very small piece of wood. How do you handle larger areas like door frames or even doors themselves when using latex with Floetrol? How big of an area when you handle with a single tip off before you have to start overlapping sections because the paint is starting to dry too much? I.e., can you handle a a 7' by 6" door jam with a single tip off? Or would you have to start breaking it into sections like the top half and bottom half? For sake of argument, how would you handle painting a flat hollow core door if you only had a brush rather than a roller? Thanks!
Nice video
I can't for the life of me, stop the brush from becoming gummy and starting to dry out before I'm even done with my first pass on an 8 ft board. I use high quality paint, I tap side to side when loading, I do a light pass from one end to the other after initial paint is laid. I've mixed in floetrol and still can't seem to stop the brush from drying out and leaving tiny specs on my project. I end up sanding and doing another coat, just to have it start all over again. I use Purdy and Wooster brushes. Any tips would be great🤷
installed new mdf pre-primed window sills, I'm not the best painter and really do not enjoy it so I see some videos where they suggest painting before you install the sills and then after installing filling the nail holes than touch up with the latex paint. Im not using oil paint so most likely SW semi gloss or satin. I just want a nice look to the sills without paint brush strokes. Thanks
What do you do if the board is 9’ long
I allways thin out my paint ... walls ,trim ya takes a bit more time but results are way nicer and ya sand between coats he's do right I hate when guys try to paint something in one coat and tons of brush lines
Hi, 1st : thanks for all your video specially the comparison tests ones ,
I was wondering :
Did you make a polisher cordless comparison already ? With the Milwaukee M18, and the dewalt ?
We did not
This is possibly an odd question but I have an acrylic paint + primer that’s been opened and now I need to finish painting the room by doing the ceiling. What thinner should I use for that? I heard the options for oil based paint and latex paint.
I recently prepared new cabinet doors and painted with 3 coats of latex. I do have roping ( areas where the paint wasn't applied evenly) in the center of the doors. Is it possible just to sand that area and repaint or do I have to do the entire door?
I just want to paint an old wood kid's wagon (tropical blue or turquois), but I want it kind of glossy, not matte. Is there a specifically glossy paint, or I will have to apply after the paint some sort of glossy coating? I never painted anything before, other than the town blue :)
Good for you
Nice vid..concise..thanks !
Great advice! Try a water based alkyd they are great easy to work with and layout great! I was taught to use a stiff brush our medium stiff brush. That helps also. Then again I know a guy who uses soft brush with expert finish. Keep making the industry better Rob!!!
The stiffer the brush, the more brush marks show
Benjamin Moore advance is awesome!
@@prestonfeivor5488 Mr Feivor, that ignites conversations like paint the body first or cut in first? Or chicken or the egg multiple people in both sides of that one. Ironically I like cutting in with a softer brush as I get straighter lines and better flow of the paint for milage. Yet hard surfaces with the finesse of a stiff brush right paint pretty consistent results. Thank you sir!!
@@prestonfeivor5488that's not true.
@@ryans9029 when is that not true then?
Does it matter which way you do the strokes do to lighting/sun? Or dies this way completely diminish stroke lines?
Also, at the beginning you were mixing the paint. If I got paint from home depot, and they did a certain color for me, do air still need to mix this? I do use a drill bit to stir but didnt mix any other thing into the paint.
I'm using premium plus EXT/INT High Gloss. Its white paint.
I’m having a hard time with brush marks on long runs like door frames. It is making me want to switch from latex to oil paint. You said to do the tip-off step the full length of the board - for how long of a board will that work for? A 7’ door frame? A 16’ run of crown molding or baseboard? There has to be a limit. I’m guessing it’s about 4’? And how do you blend?
This seems great for a nice flat project, but I’m about to paint a round hand rail (dowel). Not sure how well the tipping is going to work on the convex surface. My first attempt was with acrylic paint, and it was horrible! It’s all sanded back and ready for oil-based paint, but I’m not sure how well it will go down.
Good content
My 1 question is after you dip brush into paint do you wipe brush against the bucket (both sides or 1 side) or not
Do you sand after your
final paint coat? If not, how do you get a buttery smooth finish? I’m using a semi-gloss paint and the finish is beautiful but not buttery smooth. Any light sanding (w 320 or higher) removes the gloss sheen so I’ve stopped sanding the final coat but would like to know how to have both sheen and smoothness.
I’m using water based enamel paint in Australia. The weather is hot and humid pretty much most of the time and I can’t even get the paint to spread more than 2ft before it gets tacky and shows up your brush marks if you go back over it within 20secomds 🤷🏻♀️
Me too, im in Brisbane using Dulux aqua enamel semi gloss and making a big fat mess, so I can do lots of sanding and make more sanding mess! Fun times! Why don't more people suggest thinning, the bunnings video didn't. How did yours turn out in the end?
@@sugrbaby66 ha ha me too! Brissy south side. Gotta love the humidity.
I've also found that the paint makes a difference. I've used an alkyd paint and our painter told me to use flotrol. the same method you showed here. It was nearly impossible for me to get a good finish. I just painted some trim in my house using Emerald polyurethane from SW and didn't add any additive. It turned out flawless! I personally have had mixed results using flotrol. On another note. How do you handle a long run of trim such as baseboard in place? surely you can't do your "tip" stroke the entire run?
You should have used Penetrol for Alkyd
@@ConcordCarpenter California outlawed penetrol...
I've been using primarily SW paints for years. I had a customer recently want Benjamin Moore Impervo for her trim, and its way thicker. The SW goes on pretty good as is, but the Impervo needed a lot of thinning out to avoid brush strokes.
Regarding the longer boards, it requires lifting off and on really lightly and consistently. And still keep the brush strokes as long as possible.
4:59 this is usually when my brush starts to grab and the paint feels tacky… even though it’s been less than 30 seconds. I’m guessing this is when Floetrol would be used? It also seems to get tacky faster with more expensive latex paints. I’m assuming it’s because it’s not “watered down” like cheaper paints?
My tip for you is when pouring that penetrol is turn the can the other way so you avoid all that dripping
First, thank you for your video. I'm a pretty seasoned diy'er but I'm always learning. I'm adding M-1 to my latex paint so as not to have brush strokes on my baseboards. I'm painting 16 ft primed pre-installed baseboards. I can't keep enough paint on the brush to go the entire length. Can I do 1/3, 1/3 1/3 and then paint into the prior section so as not to have demarcation? Second, you mentioned lead paint. My second project is to prepare and paint all my window and door frames. They are 60 yr old ugly, varnished trim. I'm trying to get someone to test for lead because I'll have to sand them. Have you any experience with old varnished trim? Thk u so much.
get paint on the whole board, bush it all on then complete the process by long brush strokes
for my next job im going to tell my guys to take all the door and baseboards down to the floor thanks for the pro tip👌🏽!!
hey! how we put everything back?
Right on!
Do any of the pros use laying off brushes or are they a gimmick