The Bald and the Beautiful: A Chat w/Dr. Abraham Verghese
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- čas přidán 25. 07. 2024
- The world-renowned physician/author returns to share some hard-won wisdom.
Topics & Timecodes:
00:00 Intro
02:50 Wisdom of aging, lessons learned, what is the meaning of life anyway?
6:30 The Enneagram as it relates to the physician-patient relationship and beyond
22:48 The power of poetry, fiction and the arts
27:25 Iain McGilchrist’s theory on right & left brain integration, the ritual of the physical exam
39:58 Expressing care in a human way, AI
42:19 Failure of the measurement industrial complex, moral injury, Health 3.0
47:31 The highs and lows (and everything in between) of Abraham’s new book “The Covenant of Water”
56:55 Abraham questions ME on my own hero’s journey
1:05:29 Is science linear?
1:09:10 Why caregivers struggle with feelings of unworthiness, what it means to “find beauty and be still.”
Check out our previous episodes together here: zdoggmd.com/?s=verghese
Book References:
The Covenant of Water: www.amazon.com/Covenant-Water...
The Road Back To You: An Enneagram Journey to Self-Discovery: www.amazon.com/Road-Back-You-...
The Wisdom of the Enneagram: www.amazon.com/Wisdom-Enneagr...
The Master and His Emissary: www.amazon.com/Master-His-Emi...
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What a treat to watch this!-I rarely watch myself again as I often am too judgmental of my part and it’s too late to fix. This interview was impromptu, done on a whim. Credit to the soul and heart and wisdom of my interviewer that he brought out of me things I never said before. Thank you my friend. I am a romantic and will believe that you came to the gym and I was there for reasons beyond our cognition. As Rilke said, one doesn’t always have the answers, but one must learn “to live the question.” You ask the questions and help us “live” the questions like no one else. The answers may or may not come but the experience with you was precious. Grateful to share geography, time, and our profession. All blessings to you on the journey. Don’t worry about the destination.
❤ brother this comment and our conversation made my 2024 and beyond, so grateful for your generosity of both love and wisdom 🙏
What a beautiful gift it is to sit in on this conversation.
I heard Dr. Verghese speak when I was in nursing school, approximately 30 years ago. What a treasure. He helped form my thoughts on patient care and now as a NP, as a provider of healthcare.
I don't even have the words to properly express how much I enjoyed watching this conversation. I cried multiple times (less than 5 mins was the first). Doing something for the joy of doing it. And I have to agree with Dr. Verghese, that feedback that you get when something you create makes an impact on another person is truly one of the best feelings especially when you work on something in isolation.
Twins!
As a semi-retired physician, this interview was incredibly uplifting. I actually finished reading
'Cutting for Stone' while doing relief work in Ethiopia.
'The Tennis Partner' gave me new insights with my drug-addicted patients after dealing with that issue over 20 yrs.
I am looking forward to listening to "The Covenant of Water' while walking the mountains of my new desert home.
The discussion has given me much to think about, many thanks to you both!
heard cutting for stone is a good one; I have it and can't wait to get started
Thank you for this Z Dogg! A wonderful breath of fresh air for health care providers….just like you MAN!!!! Much love 💕
Thank you for sharing the ineffable pleasure of this conversation with Abraham Verghese......
Just this conversation alone gives hope to the current healthcare system ❤
Incredible. I enjoyed everything. Great mention of Iain McGilchrist's book and the central thesis of his work.
This is a wonderful conversation. The wisdom is powerful by Abraham V. I am and have always been a poetry lover. Thank you for this conversation.
This is a wonderful conversation! Love love love Abraham!
As Dr. Verghese said we are unfortunately “paying people to do things to patients, not for patients “. Well said. The practice of medicine is as much an art as it is a science. This was a wonderful discussion which recognizes the need for more humanism in medicine. Thank you both.
very enjoyable. Lovely guest. Beautiful poem at the beginning. I identify with the melancholy thing.
Wonderful conversation. Thank you.
Thank you! This is beautiful
This is my favourite video I have watched on your channel! I havent studied medicine but strongly considered it for a near decade (and still am considering it). I pursued music, got as far as releasing originals and performing paid gigs, having that "famous feeling" but I had also felt a strong need to let it go. I went against that and instead worked myself into extreme burnout. Now I am currently healing the wound where I need to prove my worth. I wanted my music to heal others, which is partly true. The wound also just wanted to be heard and acknowledged and validated. I may still pursue medicine or health care in some way , but now I know the motivation won't be solely coming from a childhood wound. I feel I also have the power to decide with the previous conditioning and my healed self to move forward authentically. I currently am not certain on healthcare as my route, but Its an honour to hear your kind of stories and to witness how much it synchronizes with my experience. It brings me gratitude! Thank you so much for sharing.
Thank you so much, fabulous interview and insights!
Beautiful interview. Thank you.
Verghese, Robert Coles and William Carlos Williams - that’s what we need more of in medicine. And you!!!You know you’ve touched the soul when tears come, and they did with that David Whyte poem. Absolutely beautiful part of a beautiful conversation ❤
Wonderful discussion!
Amazing conversation!!!
This was beautiful.
Love watching Z “hangout” with guests. He pings off folks so well and I feel privileged to listen in❤ got so many great read recommendations in this one, fun🎉
Gentlemen, thanks so much for this beautiful conversation! I truly appreciate you two and the fact that I can “like before listening”!😁🫶🏼 May God bless you abundantly and keep being your amazing selves❣️🙏💯
I have watched your journey ZDogg and I so enjoy you ! Keep doing you ! Love your words and your friggin hilarious and I just resonate 😊
Dr Verghese is such a wonderful teacher of the sacred art of the medical physical exam, which is applicable to so much of our life together. Notice everything, be with the unique person who is trusting you with their physical and spiritual presence, access that in yourself which connects with the person, and offer yourself in compassion. This can happen when we simply sit together in a social situation, or when one of us is in extremis and desperately needs the other's presence. We all can access this way of being present with ourselves and others. These are the things I loved exploring in my over 40 years of being a nurse.
I just love all of his books. He is one of my heroes.
Zdogg / Verghese 2024. Thats a winning ticket. Please run for president and vp fellas. We need you!
Met Dr. Verghese briefly at ACHE 2024. Great lecture. Very inspiring! Thank you for the interview.
I feel as if you have always been the Zubin that I needed at whatever time and place I was in.
The wonderful and funny videos, the information saturated advocacy during Covid, the search for enlightenment.
And you have been the Zubin that YOU needed.
❤️🙏❤️
two experienced, admirable physicians whose insights and discussion is far more valuable than the next "great" article in the Lancet or NEJM.
Love the psych talk! I'm a hedonist 😆 type 7. Most of my life Ive been a wing 8 but since my awakening Im more wing 6. Caring a lot more about connecting with others than working on my goals... but wondering if the pendulum will ever swing back, eventually I need to get back to work 😄🙈
This was one of the most beautiful talks I've ever heard 💓
Thanks!
Is he talking about Richard Rohr????? Z dog you need to check him out. He would be someone you want to interview
Zubin did you know that 50% of the population is an Enneagram 6? Such an interesting interview Very much enjoyed this.
Interesting...do you have the website link for this? I also took the free online text and got 6. In second place was 4. In third place was 1.
Is this lovely man single? 😊❤️❤️❤️
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“You were always whole.”
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The Waste Land ? Is that what Dr V is quoting?
All these physicians experiencing their Britney era…
Art. Science. Observing. Being. Medicine and Nursing needs more of these conversations to inspire those following in our footsteps.🫶🩺
Being fully present has always worked for me.