Is Jesus REALLY Present in the Eucharist? How? (Aquinas 101)
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Is Jesus really present in the Eucharist? How? And what exactly is transubstantiation? In this episode of Aquinas 101: The Sacraments, join Fr. Dominic Legge, O.P., a Dominican friar from the Province of St. Joseph, as he explains how Jesus is really present in the Eucharist through transubstantiation.
This video is an excerpt from Lesson 20: How is Jesus Present in the Eucharist? (Aquinas 101) by Fr. Dominic Legge, O.P. To explore the complete module, including supplemental readings and lectures, click here: aquinas101.thomisticinstitute...
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Through my own Eucharistic miracle I was blessed to know our Holy Communion we receive in our Catholic mass truely is Jesus and not a symbol....After weeks of being distressed during mass with this question of how do you really know I brought Holy Communion home to my elderly 94 year old Mom in a church approved pix container....My Mom was making her rosaries ( about a 100,000 to date ) as I got home from Sunday evening mass . I said Mom I have communion for you. When I reached for the Eucharist from my pix container O was started to see that there was a pure white dove out stretched and as if inlayed on my Holy Eucharist host. Incredible !! My Mom acted no different when I gave her the comminion host. The next day I called the church where I got the Holy Eucharist host from and the priest said our communion hosts have no white doves on them. they are all the same; a plain wheat colored communion host....The next day I googled white dove and Holy Spirit and immediately Luke 3:22 came up. That bible verse is about the baptism of Jesus and states: And the spirit of God came down upon him in the shape of a dove and a voice from heaven said this is my beloved son in whom I am well pleased....Well that hit me like a ton of bricks cause I instantly knew God had answered the distressing questions I was having with mysrlf during mass I that I mentioned earlier ...The dove came down upon Jesus in the bible verse , there was a white dove on my Holy Communion host...Yes! God just miraculously told me the Holy Communion host we receive in our Catholic mass has been transfored by the priest to be the ACTUAL body of Jesus !!! Yes this really happened to me about four and a half years ago !! Yeah and obviously no more of those distressing questions come to me during mass anymore....Yes, Jesus Christ TRUELY is present through our Ctholic priests in the Holy Commumion we receive during mass...So please be truely ready for Holy Communion by going to Confession often. Jim
Really agree!!!🙏🙏
Wonderful testimony 🙌
The cracker became Jesus, and suddenly, the dove was added to it? Are you people blind? Do you really think our almighty God after becoming human and now becomes a cracker? Are you serious?! Is that how you understand God? Jesus died once for our sins. He doesn't need to come back here on earth to become a cracker and will miraculously erase your sin! Seriously! Read the bible so you will not be ignorant. You do not know what you are saying!
Did you ever consider demonic deception, because it contradicts scripture.
Wow, this is beautiful truth! God bless you and bless you mom and your entire family! Viva Cristo Rey!
This is why I became Catholic. everything else is secondary. politics, parish customs, liturgy, saints and angels. all is secondary to Christ Our Lord. Praise be to God.
This is the purpose of liturgy.
@@LostArchivistshe might be referring to Norvus Ordo vs TLM when mentioning liturgy?
Ya problem is, a loyal catholic always puts the church before Christ rather they realize it or want to admit.
@@michaelf6705 That only works if they are seperate. And if Christ established the Church He will safeguard it. And many events of Church history testify to this being the case. It is another proof for the faith as a whole actually.
@@LostArchivist Yes we have the inquisition, when Catholics murdered and tortured tens upon tens of thousands of Christians that wouldn't bow and worship the papacy. but the church stilll stands in spite of the slaughter.
I grew up in a Protestant home. I remember asking my parents why Catholics believe the bread and wine are the body and blood of Christ and "we" don't even though the Bible says they are. My parents said that it was just a Catholic thing, and "we" don't believe that. Always found that argument a little weak. Probably why I'm a Catholic now.
That's because it's unbiblical and an abomination that causes desolation. Yea, he [antichrist beast] magnified himself even to [against] the prince of the host [Christ], and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of his [Christ] sanctuary was cast down. {Daniel 8:11} (Here the place of the true sanctuary is being cast down: see Rom 8:1) And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall -take away- [call/bring back] the daily, and they -shall place- [set up] the abomination that maketh desolate. {Daniel 11:31} --Jesus at his crucifixion caused the sacrifice and the oblation of the daily to cease. (Daniel 9:27) And from the time [508 A.D.] that the daily (sacrifice) shall be -taken away- [call back] and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. ("The time of the end") {Daniel 12:11} (The spurious sanctuary being set up in place of the true sanctuary in heaven, which is what the terminus quem gives us.) This is the antichrist beast of Rome who thinks to change times and laws of God, and who in their own words thinks to reinstate the literal sacrifices (daily) that Christ caused to cease with his one perfect sacrifice (Dan 9:27). The Roman mass is the abomination that maketh desolate: (And it was practiced and prospered.) The eucharist of the Sun-day resurrection (as they refer to it) is in their own words a literal sacrifice to Christ resurrection, but Christ made it (the last supper) to be a memorial to his death till he comes again. This was set up in 508 A.D. and will continue till Christ comes to execute his judgments.
jump over to Brandon Robbins video Why Christians Eat Flesh and Drink Blood... He does an amazing job explaining it
Transubstantiation was created in 1215, the same time the Catholic Church created confession. They claim Apostlic Succession, but in a sense that as the last Apostle, John died, so did the apostlic age, and apostolic authority. No Priest can forgive sins or transmutate anything!
No your catholic , because you don't want to hear the truth. again obviously if Jesus was alive breaking the bread it wasn't literally his body, but is symbolic of what He did at Calvary. I might add if your going to take literal, where's the wine that you say becomes His blood.
@@glennherron9499
The Catholic Church invented confession in 1215? What about the Orthodox Church? The schism between the two happens over 150 years prior in 1054. Did they also invent confession in 1215??
@Lepanto-1571 Thank you, you know that which you have accepted was not instituted by Jesus or the Apostles but by man who has no authority to create scripture.
I am trying to explain the Eucharist to my sister who is a Protestant Evangelical (of the Charismatic sort). When I said that Jesus was really, truly present, body, blood, soul, and divinity, she gave me this really confused face. When I told her that it was the substance of Christ's body, she was almost offended. To her, Jesus is always present. And I said, "Yes, Jesus is always made present by the Holy Spirit, but Jesus' body is present in a special way that is different from him being made present by the Holy Spirit in the day to day." To be sure, the teaching that Jesus is really and truly present body, blood, soul, and divinity... it is a hard teaching. But man, is it absolutely beautiful when you begin to understand it.
All I can say is: WOW, that was AMAZING...welcome to the wonderful world of Catholic metaphysics!
Nonsence ,. Lies from the pit of hell
@@annekelly9375 Would you care to elaborate a little?
Apparently he believes in hell but our Lord and Savior……
I suppose anyone is entitled to their beliefs however bizarre so long as they don't impact on others who don't share them
@@barryleveson6147 If you don't believe Jesus-Christ is God in the flesh, 'you WILL die in your sin' - and destroy everyone you love around you.
So you see, you have a vested interest in my 'beliefs' being true - however 'far-fetched' they seem to be.
Amazing. I go to Mass for the Eucharist and Confession.
God Bless.
And that's a straight ticket to hell.
One of the many great things there
“At the last supper
Jesus held his body in his hands”
St Augustine
Oh wow. That's a new one on me. At what point did he bow his head in humble obedience to the commands of the priest?
@@rbnmnt3341
Who is he ? You don’t say.
Who is the priest ? You don’t say ?
@@rbnmnt3341Somewhere along the line he introduced a ceremonial magic act. Thereby giving the priest, and him alone the power to say an incantation to magically perform this amazing feat! It looks like a wafer you might say, but don’t believe your lying eyes! That’s the secret power of Catholic transubstantiation. Which no other Christian church claims, thereby making Roman Catholicism the ONE true church! Hope that clarifies things for you.
Augustine is probably burning in hell right now, youde be safer studying the scriptures and learn how to study.
@@michaelf6705 he's not the only one.
It's a blessing to hear bedrock Catholic teaching. Thank you, Father Legge.
Our Lady, Seat of Wisdom, pray for us.
Well no its not a blessing to feed off of false doctrine, but I'm pretty sure you never apart from what your told, ever tested the teaching to scripture., but hey its only eternity, why take the time to study Gods word as He has commanded us.
@michaelf6705 Hello Michael, can I tell you that I study the words of Holy Scripture daily, and I know that we are in the world, not of the world, and, therefore, realise that the grace given to me freely, by Almighty God, to encourage my salvation, is the only occurrence which is of any importance, and my cooperation with His grace is essential for my salvation.
Do you consider yourself the arbiter of absolute natural and supernatural truth? Why are you so certain that my knowledge of Holy Scripture is not equal to your own?
Please do not make presumptions about my eternal salvation.
Allow Almighty God to judge me.
Thank goodness for the everlasting mercy of Almighty God, compared with the short-lived mercy of man.
Pax Christi.
@@roisinpatriciagaffney4087 to encourage your salvation? there is only one acceptable way to please God, and that's repentance and fully trusting in Jesus Christ and Him crucified and add nothing to his sacrifice on Calvary. You are either complete in Christ or you have no place in Him. I do not judge anyone, but I do judge doctrine as commanded by God. And obviously since you believe in another gospel, which is no gospel at all. I dont come here to win arguments or strife, but only to warn people of theddeception.
@@roisinpatriciagaffney4087 And yes I'm an arbitrator of absolute truth since truth is absolute or its not truth, and that's Jesus Christ and Him crucified, If you choose to reject Grace and establish your own righteousness, well it will end up in hell.
@michaelf6705 I agree, we must live our lives according to Almighty God's divine positive law. Each moment of each day I attempt to cooperate with God's grace. By this, I mean I pray, I keep God's ten commandant, and, as a Catholic I attend the scarfice-scrament of the offering of the Holy Eucharist, at Mass. Of course I depend, and am constantly grateful to God for giving me His grace.
I believe you misunderstand Catholic teaching. Please study bedrock Catholic principles, and the truth of my belief will be obvious to you. Thank you.
If Jesus says he is there in the bread, he is!
He says salvation is by grace thru faith not of works lest any man should boast it is the gift of God. But yet you mix works traditions rituals, you believe in sacraments all to be saved. So I ask if He says salvation is by grace alone, why dont you believe Him.
Thank you. You just nailed the beginning and the end of the issue!@@beesinthegardens
@@michaelf6705wrong
We DO believe Him when He told us to eat His flesh….. why don’t you obey Him?
@@michaelf6705 Faith without work is dead.
I was stuck at understanding the manner of Christ's presence in the Eucharist, and today I clarified my doubts... Also now only I understood about concomitance.. thank you Fr Legge and Aquinas 101 team... Excellent... May God bless you all ❤❤❤
Thank you!
The truth is revealed. It is probably all bol
(It is probaly all bollockss
Well explained, really spot on! I'm going to share this not just to my friends, but also to my family to understand Our Lord's presence in the Eucharist. God bless you all
I have been blessed to have dreams and visions of the Holy Eucharist. I have dreamt that I was praying before the Blessed Sacrament, and I heard a voice, " Arrise, you are not praying to a wafer of bread, but the Lord. I looked up, and I saw Our Lord Jesus Christ emanating from the Eucharist. The Eucharist was in his sacred heart. I also dreamt and had visions during the consecration of the host, of seeing the face of Jesus inprinted in the Eucharist. Now, I can still see his face when the priest elevates the host and declares, "This is my body." Jesus is present in the Eucharist!
Very interesting. When I was in mass on Sunday the priest was talking about the Eucharist. I never thought about it fully. and I don't think I have ever got as good of an explanation as this.
Indeed what’s in your heart matters to the upmost degree when having a relationship with our Father.
Thank you sl much FR.DOMINIC for your clear explanation....God bless....
Glad it was helpful!
Wow, thank you for taking the time to respond to further questions on this topic. Your original video is excellent, but your answers to these questions are extending my knowledge and insights even more. I have really been struggling on this topic for the past year, and now i thank my loving savoiur Jesus for providing me with the clarity i sought, through your most excellent work.😊
Thanks Father
great teaching
Thank you so much for this clear explanation. God bless you
This was a very good explanation of substance and accidents.
Fantastic video! I’ll be using this in my RCIA classes!!!
Very clear and helpful!
Let the Most Holy Sacrament be praised, now and always, and unto ages of ages Amen 🤲🍞🍇✝️
I do believe .... increase my faith Lord
This is very well explained. Thank you.
You're very welcome!
Really appreciate this video.
Putting it simply for everyone, the bread becomes his Body and the wine his Blood, but Body and Blood retain the appearances of bread and wine.
And since you cant separate a part of Christ from another part of Christ, his Blood, Soul and Divinity are present in his Body and his Body, Soul and Divinity are present in his Blood.
Matthew 18:20 "For where two or three are gathered in my name, I am there..."
I have always found it helpful, so as to enter-in, spiritually, in recollecting ourselves that the moments of Christ's life are present to us, including, for instance the Passion. Being before the passion of Christ, can grant the imagination some help when entering in through faith, and grant us a deeper union in our worship with Christ, otherwise sometimes we encounter Christ as though he were present, but in a static manner.
Such a well presented explanation!!
Thanks
This presentation may seem a little complicated or confusing for those who don't understand, but look at all the Eucharist miracles in the history of the Holy Catholic Church and how science proves it to be true... Let alone Jesus Christ own words in Holy scriptures
I still don’t understand it but I believe it is Jesus’s body. I have faith 😊🙏🏻💛
"If it's just a symbol, then to hell with it." -Flannery O'Connor on the Eucharist
U R confused as Real presence isn't limited to mean only you're presupposition of transubstantiation.
@davidjanbaz7728 now I'm confused.
It’s not a symbol. Go very often to mass and you’ll see him
God is both transcendent AND immanent in the World: so there should be no difficulty with the theological concept of Transubstantion.
Oh ye of little faith
Could you guys make a video on Eucharistic Miracles.
My interest in Aquinas began when I read Weigel's biography of Saint Karol Wojtila and how he taught Aquinas to his students. I do not, however, read/understand Latin.
Somebody else beat me to the question about eucharistic miracles because in that situation, the accidents are changing. Do we know of anything else whose substance changes but accidents do not?
Thank you, another very well done video.
The Lord: 'This is My Body. This is My Blood.'
Others: 'This is not really His Body. This is not really His Blood.'
@@FirstJohn2.12-17yeah but the Protestants are hypocrites.....Sola Scriptura....." Eat My body and drink My blood" .....it's there in the bible ....so why don't they believe Jesus ? Why do they make Jesus a liar ? Jesus meant it literally .....and how do we know ....again it's in the bible ......but protestants refuse to read that part ....when those who couldn't take it literally ....turned and walked away ....saying ..." This is hard to take " Jesus didn't run after them and say ...." I only meant it figuratively" ....He let them go and turned to His disciples and asked them what they believe .....SO DON'T FALL FOR THAT PROTESTANT RUBBISH ....SHOW THEM THE PASSAGE IN THE BIBLE ......AND SEE THE HORROR ON THEIR FACES 😂.....problem is they dunno how to read the bible .....they don't read in context or with understanding because they so bent on memorising the chapter and verse references that they forget to understand the scripture.
Or worse, "the eucharist only has the sacramental presence of Christ, not the physical presence. "
@@angelahull9064 blame the modernist catechism.....since 1962
Yes he is
How does the verse from John extend to priests blessing the bread and wine to make the transubstantiation happen
Jesus said He’s the living bread, the bread He gives is His FLESH, unless we eat His Flesh & drink His Blood, WE WILL HAVE NO LIFE IN US.If we eat & drink of Him UNWORTHILY, WE WILL BE LIABLE & BRING A SENTENCE AGAINST OURSELVES FOR NOT DISCERNING IT TO BE THE BODY & BLOOD OF JESUS CHRIST, OUR GOD & SAVIOR. Jn6:51-59, 1Cor 11:23-29
I have a protestant friend who cannot accept that John 6 is literal in any way. How is anything impossible for God if He IS Who IS?
I appreciate this clarification. I'm allergic to gluten, so I can't eat the communion wafer, and this bothered me because I'm allergic to gluten, I'm not "allergic to Jesus", yet I'll have an allergic reaction if I eat one of these wafers. Your clarification that the "wheat" property is an "accidental" that remains while the "substance" turns into Jesus is helpful to me. But it then makes me ask, why does the Vatican not allow use of gluten free wafers for communion, if the "substance" and not the "accidental" properties of the wafer is what matters?
***Jesus is present everywhere***
Spiritually, sure- but His Physical Body and Blood is in The Eucharist. What a blessing!
The whole Christ is present, but His accidents are not present?
Jesus was physically present during the Last Supper, was he entirely present in the bread and wine the was personally handling? His body wasn't yet broken, and His blood was not yet spilled.
I am open to the idea, but it seems like a lot of mental gymnastics.
I’m thinking of converting to Catholicism and I’m trying to learn all I can about it including tram trans substantiation. I’m just having a hard time wrapping my head around it. Please help me.
But how does jesus’ word extend beyond that particular scene in the Bible ?
Yes, of course.
Yes, the Existing One is "there," but there is something weird about adoring Him in the physical presence in a monstrance versus loving Him in humanity.
I like how it tried to be logical and scientific at the start only to end in "just believe in it cause God said its real"
Hey bro/sis ,
Check out the Eucharistic miracles and their scientific explanations .
He is.
It's also a mystery like the presence of God with the ark in the old testament (except that you can actually consume Him now).
I wonder how one would go about demonstrating that you can have a substance without any accidents? What does it mean to say that x is substance y but it doesn't possess any accidents z, etc? How can a 'body' be present without any accidents? Isn't a body just a particular kind of substance within time and space, therefore requiring accidents?
But angels do not have bodies therefore they have no accidents
Is it faith or intention that receives the Eucharist as the Body of Christ? Does our will to participate in the sacrament 'activate' the presence of God in the Host? Does a consecrated host fall inert on a 'deaf heart'? Questions I always wanted to ask.
Missing my point I think. For instance, if a consecrated host is consumed by a non-believer inadvertently, what happens metaphysically? Does the Body Blood Divinity of Jesus resonate at that instant with the non-believers soul, unannounced as it were? Does the word sacrilege even apply? My interest is in the metaphysics of the sacrament, I don't question it's truth.
Well I don’t believe that the change is like Schrödinger’s cat where if taken by a believer it’s the Body and Blood while if taken by an unbeliever it becomes ordinary bread and wine. I think it’s an objective change in that each drop and particle is the Body and Blood of Christ until the accidents are no longer that of bread and wine via digestion, dissolving, etc. If it were like Schrodinger’s cat then the Church would not have strictly guarded its reception as it historically did and should continue to do. As for the grace received, as with all sacraments it can only be received by a baptized individual.
@@raphaelledesma9393 Thanks for the response and until you mentioned it, hadn't thought about Schrodinger. But upon reflection, that seems like an useful image. In fact I think that is very much like what happens. Not a dead cat, but a living God, when you eat this bread and drink this wine.
@@CatholicDefender-bp7my Yes the Church teaches that the sacramental change is objective that is, unlike Schrodinger’s cat, not dependent on the subjective perception of the recipient. If it were then there would be no risk of taking the Body and Blood of the Lord unworthily as St Paul warns us.
This is a question I have been wondering about: When we say that Christ's "Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity" are present in the Eucharist, is that saying that Christ's physical (human) body as well as His spiritual (heavenly) body are a part of the transformed bread and wine?
Thanks
St. Thomas wouldn't distinguish between Christ's "physical" body and his heavenly body, after the resurrection. His physical body has become heavenly and spiritual. As St. Paul says in 1 Cor. 15:44, what is sown is perishable, a physical body, and what is raised is imperishable, a spiritual body. Jesus only has one physical body now, and it is the glorified and "spiritual" body of the resurrection.
The video says that his body is substantially present but not accidently present. Seems like that means it's not his physical body. Otherwise it seems you would have to ask what part of his body you are eating. His Sacred Body is physically and substantially present, but without the accidents. His glorified physical Body is in Heaven.
@TheThomisticInstitue Does the accidents of bread and wine inhere to the substance of Christ or are the accidents merely sustained? What mode of Christ's presence is there? Is it only the substance of Christ as he was on the cross or the substance of Christ's gloried presence in heaven? Or are all modes present, and if so is there a primarily mode and the rest present by concomitance?
I only know that it is the glorified body
So, I heard a Catholic priest talk about our kids for into vampire movies and then he said why aren't they into the Eucharist? And made a big point about how the Eucharist is just the same idea you eat Jesus's body and drink his blood?
So how can we separate the physical molecular structure from the sacramental and personal presence of Christ? And does that mean that that priest is right to say that the Eucharist is alike being a vampire that drinks blood?
How are substance and accident related to form and matter?
read Edward Feser's book Aquinas: a Beginner's Guide.
Agree..when Jesus says that it becomes His Body...But Mass is celebrated by priest right..So how transubstantation happen during mass?
It's difficult to free fools from the chains they have learned to revere. Voltaire
I don't question it. Jesus never lies 🤷🏻♂️
No but the catholic church does, consistently and repeatedly
Yep the list of ridiculous Catholic church inventions that have no validity in reality is many, limbo, original sin, indulgences, a bit of wafer and wine physically changing into jesus' body and blood, it's just so sad
@@tick5485no one is good but God. Focus on your relationship with Jesus. Not others relationship with the world.
What about when we actually hear him and see him? Why is it so rare? It’s only happened to me once in adoration several years ago. What was different then? Or is it always that way?
That is a blessing! I go to Adoration and so want to see Him. How did he appear (look) to you? Did you see a face, body, crucifix, baby?
@@kzbaby2002 idk I was literally pulled in by light and embraced when the bishop passed by me with the monstrance. I can’t describe it but it was awesome. Once my confusion simmered down, I asked things like what the point of sin was if he loves everyone to the extent that he showed me (it was clear that he would always accept me) and after calming me down a bit, he essentially said to atone to his Father. Which I pressed him on. lol he gave my the answer so concisely but it was too much to reiterate even though I understood. Pretty much that he and the father are one but I got the idea they two different “personalities” but It felt like they were different beings of the same essence idk I know the thomists use “persons” There was a lot more but thats the jist of it. It’s kinda weird KNOWING it. Sobbed for hours prostrate before the tabernacle after I realized I could have been created in any form in any era and my life felt like such a gift… Like I can see and read and speak. How crazy is that? Sometimes I feel overwhelmed at mass but what happened in that adoration was something else. I suppose it must have happened in an instant but it felt like a 10 minute conversation.
@@kzbaby2002 oh sorry I got too carried away to answer your question. I did see him like it was face to face but all I can recall is light.. but I was immersed in it. I didn’t just feel warmth. I felt entirely fulfilled in want or need or whatever. Now direct quote what he opened with was “Dude.. you’re fiiiine. I know you! You know that you and I have our own thing.” And my answer back was just… “wait. This is how it works?” 😅
@@FimiliarGalaxy9 That’s great! I totally believe He would talk that way to you. ❤️
The idea that what is is substance and accidents is, is it not, the teaching of Aristotle? Trent days that transubstantiation is an APT expression. As noted the Eastern Churches do not use that philosophical wording.
The substance of the communion is not the material things being ingested but the meaning behind the communion itself. In other words, why do you think Christ commanded us by his example to remember the sacrifice of his body?
Why would any one, especially a Catholic doubt the presence of Jesus in the Eucharist?
"we must believe Him when He says He does it"
I think it is imperative that priests proclaim this in their sermons verbatim. just as God was in the burning bush and in the pillar of fire, so too is Jesus in the bread and wine.
the athanasian creed should also be recited. most people don't grasp the trinity; but if you replace the instances of God with the Tetragrammaton, the trinity becomes perfectly clear. it is why Jesus at the holy cross had the Holy Name and why the temple priests objected what pilate wrote.
Our Lord Jesus Christ is the Way, the Truth and the Life. He is the Eternally Begotten Son of God. He cannot lie and does not lie. The power that He gave to His Apostles and ordained disciples and their successes to transform bread and wine into His Body and Blood was Divinely authentic then and it still is today. Those who doubt Our Lord's promises and Truth will be denying their own access to Paradise in Eternity!
He’s the door. Is He a door? He said it; did He mean it literally? He’s the Good Shepherd and His followers are sheep. Is that what we (followers) are, sheep? He’s the Rock! Is He literally a rock? Yes, one ignores the Word of God to their own peril.
I’ve been dying to ask this question; what does it mean to say the substance of the “body” of Christ? Isn’t “body” an accident? Because we can perceive, or “see” the body? So wouldn’t it be more appropriate to say the substance of Christ?
I absolutely believe The Eucharist is Christ's Holy Body. He said "This is My Body".
How can we grasp substantial forms with certainty then if they can be so detached from the accidents availed to our senses? Doesn't this undermine the soft empiricism that's foundational to this kind of metaphysics?
This is the reason I don't buy that thev
eucharist is miraculous in any way.
All of thr miracles in the NT and Bible as a whole are readily apparent, and there is zero guess work for anyone watching it happen as to weather, or not a miracle has occured. Yet this is exactly what thr catholics and any Christian denomination that have this high view of the eucharist ask of us. To simply believe god is performing something miraculous when nothing of our senses would ever be able to show us that being the case. Youed never know a miracle was happening if you weren't being told so.
.it's not that god couldn't perform miracles that we can't verify with our senses. He most certiantly can. But God never once asked anyone in scripture to believe a miraculous work that wasn't actually sensible to the person/people in question.
I agree. Metaphor that really is a sign that points us to the living Christ is NOT a lesser truth than what is asserted here.
We don't take the results of Jn 6- what he said it would do:if we partake (never thirst or hunger again) literally.
Think about that.
It's a spiritual truth, not a symbol, but not literal either.
All miracles in the Bible were visible. The wine is still wine and the bread still bread. Yet, the miracle of forgiveness is still available.
It's fine that many Catholics believe otherwise, but they shouldn't look down on other Christians who view it as a very special sign of Christ.
@po18guy Who said anything about being detached? Substance and accidents are effectively meaningless concepts. Wine is wine, flesh is flesh. If it was a miracle, it would be readily visible all the time. That said, the sacramental ceremony is still of extreme value.
He is God
JESUS IS THE CENTER OF THE EUCHARIST.
I am surprised no Eucharistic Miracles were given in this video.
Kung ang tubig sa kasalan sa Cana ay ginawa nyang alak at ang ilang pirasong isda at tinapay ay nagawa nyang paramihin at mapakain ang mahigit sa 5,000 katao ay bakit pa tayo magduda na walang imposible kung nanaisin lang ng Diyos na matanggap natin Sya sa ating puso sa pamamagitan ng pagpapalit ng anyo ng tinapay sa pagiging katawan Nya ng hindi na kailangan pang maging actual na lamanNya?
It’s the body and blood of Christ in the form of bread and wine.
We were offered 'a gluten free version for those who need' the other day. I almost fell over as I have never heard that before.
And grape juice for alcoholics.
That's a misnomer. It's low gluten. But often not low enough for those with celiac disease to be able to consume. But for those who are willing to bear a great deal of pain once in a while for love of our Lord, it is better than having a serious medical episode from a usual host
Well it doesn’t transubstaniate enough to actually do anything in you know, reality.
@@angelahull9064 A woman in my parish must be very sensitive to the host so she receives the gives her a small chalice and she receives the precious blood.
@@pixurguy4915 yes, I have a friend in a similar situation, but it must be a separate chalice that no one else drinks from or the gluten will transfer from their mouth to the cup.
And how is Jesus present in the people who receive him? Are they becoming the Body of Christ? The Real Presence of Jesus in the Community? In the way the children are treated? In the way couples relate to each other?
Yes
I mean repeatly saying something is happening and it actually happening are two different things
I know its ridiculous b/$
As a Programmer, this all sounds like Object Oriented Programming lol.
@@CatholicDefender-bp7my Who said the Eucharist was invented out of whole cloth and not by Christ and his apostles?
@@chris52000What about it sounds like object-oriented programming?
@@LostArchivist Substance -> class
Accidents -> fields
Roughly, consecration is a function that takes a class “Bread”or “Wine”, and moves its fields into another class “Body of Christ”/“Blood of Christ”.
There are obviously some more nuances that example doesn’t capture. The similarities probably have to do with Ontology.
@@chris52000 So if we expect to be ae to reconcile Set Theory and Analytic Philosophy (chiefly Information Theory) to Metaphysics, we should expect areas that at least reasonably.correspond without exhausting their overlapping counterpart (since one is the motion and one the being (so Analytica is like the shadow, cast or resonance of the Metaphysica or should behave like it anyway, something like being analogous to them.) If this holds true, we ought to expect such correspondances as you said.
I love hearing such because they are very useful for getting some of those who most need to hear it, to better understand the Faith.
Does this seem to all work?
I'm glad I wasn't the only one to think this lol
Can’t wait to watch this while high with my dog.
I'm really disappointed that you did not mention the Eucharistic miracles of Tixtla Mexico (2006), Buenos Aires (1996), and Lanciano (8th century)
Their priest doubted whether it truly was his body
So God responded by turning the Eucharist into *actual* flesh and blood.
When analyzed by scientists who were not granted background info, all 3 miracles came with the same result:
-It's the flesh of a heart that suffered extreme trauma
-Wine is AB blood
-DNA tests are inconclusive
Yes, Eucharistic miracles have scientific proof that help us believe but it's important to know the theology aspect as well. John 20:29, "Because you have seen me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen, and have believed."
Not trying to discount anything you mentioned just giving a potential reason why Eucharistic miracles were not cited.
The body of Christ is united with and cannot be separated from God but the physical body is not God, correct? If we held a strand of hair from the body of Christ we would not say this hair is God. Likewise God is present in the bread but the bread is not God, is this correct? Thanks
Jesus was physically sitting right there when He said this is my body. That same day in the Hebraic calendar, He gave Himself up on the cross and stated “Father, into your hands I commit my spirit”. It is this spirit that makes a person part of the body of Christ when one experiences the born again experience, John 3:8. We have no control over it, it is like the wind.
If Jesus was physically sitting right there when He said it, then you can’t say the physical bread was His physical body. His body was physically broken that day, just like the bread as it was being passed around. There is a spiritual application, that Roman Catholics miss here.
Also, if I show you a picture of my Dad, and say “this is my Dad”, does this mean the picture is physically my Dad? No, of course not.
If you show a picture of your dad of course that picture is not your dad. If someone tears that picture would he be guilty of the blood of your dad? If course not. Yet Paul in 1 Corinthians 11 27 says, 'whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord unworthily will have to answer for the body and blood of the Lord'. Looks like the Holy Eucharist is way more than just bread and wine!. Also Jesus did not show a picture of Himself and said 'this is me' did He? He showed bread and said, 'this is my boxy'. No man on earth coulx say that and be believed but Jesus IS God. Just like when He said, 'let there be light and the whole workd waz enlightened so when He showed bread and wine and said, 'this is my body...this is my blood of the Covenant the bread and wine truly became His body and blood. Why? He said it we believe Him
@@jpiscopo6566 You completely dodged my point, and I never stated Jesus was holding a picture. I used this to make a point, which again, you dodged. Jesus was physically sitting there when He said "this is My body", so obviously the bread in and of itself was not His physical body, or you would have 2 Jesus's.
When He said this, it was on the same day He died on the cross in the Hebraic/Jewish calendar. His body was given up, He was beaten, clothes torn, scars on His body etc. (just like the breaking of bread by the Apostles). Then He was on the cross, and He said "Father, into your hands I commit My spirit". It is this spirit that makes one a part of the body of Christ. You can eat bread all day long, this does not make you a part of the body of Christ. When one experiences regeneration by God, they enter into the body of Christ. Jesus said "No one can come to Me, unless the Father who sent Me, draws him.". It is this drawing by the Father, one enters into the body of Christ. We have no control over it. Just was using the physical, or natural, to convey the spiritual. Jesus said to go this in remembrance of Me. This includes what happened that day, in the Hebraic calendar. There is more to this, and I have videos on this topic in my channel.
If you want to dodge and go round in circles and give ridiculous examples of showing your dad's picture for whatever reason, that's your choice. Jesus said it plain and simple, 'this is my body'. Apparently these simple words don't sit well with protestants they want to fill an entire book trying to make up their stories moving as far away ss possible from His words. He held up bread and said, 'this is my body, of the wine, this is my blood. If they weren't really His body and blood would Jesus have said they were? He could easily have just blessed the bread and wine and told them to do that in remembrance of Him. In John 6 He had told His disciples, 'unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink His blood you have no life in you'. Yeah Jesus said those words and then He did not teach His apostles how they were going to eat His flesh and blood? He said at the Last Supper, 'do THIS in remembrance of me'. 'THIS' refers to what He had just done, blessing bread and wine and saying CLEARLY they were HIS BODY and BLOOD. If a dear friend of yours shows you how to do something on his death bed entreating you to 'do this in his memory' wouldn't you want to repeat what he showed you in order to achieve the same results he had? Jesus said ' this is my body... my blood' if Jesus did not convince you that He was telling the truth, how can I ever hope to convince you?!
@@jpiscopo6566 Again, Jesus was physically sitting there when He said, "This is My body", you can't have two physical Jesus'. There is more to this. I go over it here in this video.
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I just wish it would have been in more easy to understand examples and language….🙏
Follower of Christ here, but I do get how non-followers are exasperated with the hocus pocus aspect of Christianity and possible turned off by nuanced theology. Christ came to seek and save the lost.
I guess the question is. Was Jesus speaking literally or figuratively when he said those words. I believe it was the latter. But that’s just me. I mean wine is wine and not blood just as bread isn’t flesh.
Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you; he who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.
For my flesh is food indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him.
As the living Father sent me, and I live because of the Father, so he who eats me will live because of me For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. He that eateth my flesh and drinketh my blood,dwelleth in me, and I in him.” This was too much for many of his disciples and “From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.” Jesus turns to the 12 and asks, “Will ye also go away?
Vs 61, Jesus did not back down, for He said, "Does this offend you?" it offends protestants. They devoted themselves to the apostles’ teaching and to fellowship, to the breaking of bread and to prayer.
There is no other passage in the New testament other than John 6: 35-56 where Jesus emphasizes his teaching repeatedly. In the Gospel of John, four times our Lord says that he is the bread and five times He says that its his flesh we have to eat. He instituted this sacrament by giving his flesh to eat in the upper room in Jerusalem on the eve of the Passover (Matthew 26:26-28) We understand that Eucharistic sacrament he instituted was again celebrated at Emmaus after his resurrection (Luke 24: 30-31).😃😃
The camera angle where he is looking elsewhere and not at the camera is very off putting
The same construct can be used as a counter argument to confused people who identify as a sex other than that of their birth.
"Successors".
It's a question of quantum physics.
How does a Priest transform a wafer and wine into rubbery flesh and warm blood?
If Jesus is in heaven body blood soul divinity, how can he also be here on earth if he is then confined to human body which is in the physical place in heaven?
All christian priests have achieved the capability to perform this miracle of converting bread into flesh and wine into blood. But, they did not get the capability to perform miracles such as converting water into wine or multiplying the bread to feed the multitude.
St. Thomas Aquinas teaches that Christ’s accidents ARE present “per modum substantiae “ Also one should say that after Consecration it is the Lord, Risen, Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity. It is the Lord under each form entirely.
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So if I go to a non catholic service and communion is part of the service, and I h ave faith that what I am receiving is the Body and Blood of Christ, then I am actually receiving the Body and Blood of Jesus there too.
Jesus give the authority only through the apostle Peter and his successors not to the other non catholics because Jesus build only one church through his apostle Peter. Jesus did not build thousand of churches but only one.
@@marymargarette4289 so you are saying the Catholic church is the only Christian Church?.
@@Rennyteam359 yes only jesus christ the son of god can build the church because Jesus himself saying in mathew 12:30 - "he who is not with me is against me and he who does not gather with me scatters".
Mark 13:13 - jesus say "and you will be hated by all for my name's sake. But he who endures to the end will be saved".
Only the Catholic Church and the Orthodox have a valid Eucharist.
@@iggyantioch but jesus build only one church through Peter the apostle of Jesus, not two not three not thousand churches but only one. And he gave the authority to Peter only. Mathew 16:18-19 - Jesus say "you are Peter and on this rock I will build my church and the powers of death shall not prevail against it. I will give you the key of the kingdom of heaven and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven".
Mathew 9,:40 - Jesus say "for he who is not against us is for us".
To answer to a comment, please notice that The GOSPEL teaches us that JESUS himself founded the Christian worship and consacrated the first priests of the History (his apostles) at the table of the last supper
The Eucharist to give people salvation who don't have the Holy Spirit yet.
John 6:63 Jesus tells us that real flesh is worthless and it is the Holy Spirit in the Eucharist.
Peter responds and says yes your words of the Eucharist are to bring everlasting salvation. And that the disciples and friends are already saved.
Christ remains as bread because we are not capable of consuming a human being. He remains as a consumable substance for our human nature. The same principle is applied for His Blood.
This is my body and this is my blood. Do this in memory of me. What part of this do i find difficult to understand? If I believe in miracles, then this is a miracle and no further correspondence will be entered into. If i don't believe in miracles, then eternal salvation is probably not my cup of tea.
Pretty simple really, for God and Jesus knew that to communicate with humans, then things would need to be in the simplest of forms. Only humans are motivated by complication and confusion so I prefer God's idea of invoking the KISS principle.